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>>1543843
Hardly, since millions of people actually use public transport. Suspended rail is a niche because the need for its use is limited and invasive.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 01:00:50 No.1543864 Report

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>>1543838
Because city planners are mentally dead dumbfucks.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 01:26:14 No.1543875 Report

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>>1543846
my city would benefit because we're so close to sea level we cant dig down and also our public transport sucks and is dated and you need a car to get anywhere

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 01:27:42 No.1543876 Report

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>>1543875
How would that be better than light/heavy rail at grade or elevated?

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 01:30:44 No.1543880 Report

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>>1543876
because then they can have all the space for the grid roads that they love so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 01:51:21 No.1543902 Report

Quoted By: >>1543903 >>1543904 >>1543977

>>1543880
Suspended rail is not a space saver. Building suspended rail over roads takes away lanes because space has to be allocated for the support pillars.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 01:54:58 No.1543903 Report

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>>1543902
your city doesn't have open waterway?

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 01:55:11 No.1543904 Report

Quoted By: >>1543930

>>1543880
That's why I said "elevated"

>>1543902
If you're going to lose a little space to pylons might as well just go full elevated rail instead of a bespoke system that no one makes parts for

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 01:56:41 No.1543906 Report

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>>1543903
lolno

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 02:19:30 No.1543910 Report

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>>1543838
even uglier than elevated rail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 03:03:57 No.1543927 Report

Quoted By: >>1543980 >>1543981

Why would you pollute a natural amenity like a river with such a hideous monstrosity??

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 03:20:48 No.1543930 Report

Quoted By: >>1543937 >>1551988

>>1543904
Blocking the sky is what gives elevated rails that gruesome ghetto look. Jews and similar idiots get extra triggered by those trains for some reason.
The chinese are trying something related, the pillars seem small and it's not much more invasive than any other structure you find in urban areas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 03:57:02 No.1543937 Report

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>>1543930
That thing's pretty small. I guess if you want a shitty people mover like Detroit or Miami it would be good for that

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 06:07:20 No.1543976 Report

Quoted By: >>1544024

>>1543838
Megacities need more capacity. So it's elevated rail instead.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 06:09:05 No.1543977 Report

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>>1543902
not really

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 06:39:36 No.1543980 Report

Quoted By: >>1543982

>>1543927
it doesn't have to be a river, they just look more kino than trains and are more space efficient than say the NY L train

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 06:44:07 No.1543981 Report

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>>1543927
The Schwebebahn protected the Wupper and it's nice to look at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 06:52:08 No.1543982 Report

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>>1543980
How many social credits do they give you for shilling this piece of shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 06:53:13 No.1543984 Report

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>>1543982
I'm a slav I just think they look neater than normal street cars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 07:39:16 No.1543990 Report

Quoted By: >>1543994

I never thought about this before, but I wonder if it'd make sense to put one of these over the LA river. It could go all the way from Long Beach to the west end of the San Fernando valley and would only need very short sections away from the river to go right into the centers of various neighborhoods or places that already have Metro stops. The river is also an ugly concrete ditch that nobody really gives a fuck about and it's not privately owned so the right of way would be pretty easy to deal with.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 08:05:26 No.1543994 Report

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>>1543990
would be overrun by joggers

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 09:40:24 No.1544013 Report

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>>1543982
I posted this, I live somewhere else and in the other thread I posted a german system.
You are just a person of questionable mental sanity and sexual preferences.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 10:31:49 No.1544020 Report

Quoted By: >>1544030

>>1543977
>but it's only 4 lanes large cities need large roads

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 11:10:17 No.1544024 Report

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>>1543838
Elevated rail is nice but it's better off with conventional tracks like >>1543976

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 11:48:51 No.1544030 Report

Quoted By: >>1544095 >>1544097

>>1544020
Seems like it's two lanes aside from the center turn lane, and not very wide ones at that. You could hardly make the road any narrower.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 14:09:56 No.1544047 Report

Quoted By: >>1544095 >>1544097

>>1543977
>not really
>4 lane roads become 2 lanes
okay

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 17:01:08 No.1544095 Report

Quoted By: >>1544097 >>1544357 >>1552578

>>1544030
>>1544047
You don't need large roads when you have high capacity transportation.
>>1543840
>Expensive
Its literally a train upside down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2020 17:03:56 No.1544097 Report

Quoted By: >>1544343

>>1544030
>>1544047
That road was only 2-3 of lanes wide to begin with. The pylons terminate in the sidewalk area

>>1544095
>Its literally a train upside down.
Yes, it's expensive to have bespoke transport systems that no manufacturer produces equipment and parts for. Everything made for it is a one-off, custom job

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Sep 2020 12:42:06 No.1544343 Report

Quoted By: >>1544357

>>1544097
Yeah, your tribe already told this during the last defamation campaign.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Sep 2020 13:45:51 No.1544351 Report

Quoted By: >>1544357

>>1543838
>why don't big cities have these?
false premise, there are cities with suspension railway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Sep 2020 14:04:38 No.1544354 Report

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>why don't cities have a thing that was designed for a specific town with a very specific shape and set of requirements that has never been found elsewhere in the world

Gee I fucking wonder

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Sep 2020 14:07:38 No.1544357 Report

Quoted By: >>1544369 >>1544371

>>1544095
>literally a train upside down.
Which is "literally" non-conventional.
>>1544343
>defamation
But he's saying truth.

>>1544351
>false premise
The premise is "big". Most "big" ones don't use them. Outside of actual need factors, Japanese cities still benefited from industry enthusiasm and government support.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Sep 2020 14:59:51 No.1544369 Report

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>>1544357
All trains are made in low volume, they aren't mass produced like cars.
The problem is the exact same talking points in the Cheddar video being repeated here and many threads about similar subjects being posed all of a sudden.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Sep 2020 15:02:59 No.1544371 Report

Quoted By: >>1544553 >>1547246

>>1544357
moving the goalposts
there are big cities with suspension railway so it's false premise

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Sep 2020 15:30:31 No.1544385 Report

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>>1543843
t. amerishart

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 00:58:46 No.1544549 Report

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>>1543994
Not if it doesn't stop in the ghetto. There's already light rail through LA's main black areas and it roughly parallels the LA river route, an elevated rail system over the river could be billed as a longer distance express thing and could go straight from Long Beach to Downtown, maybe with one stop where the Blue and Green lines converge. Also, the Olympics are gonna be here in eight years and have main facilities near DTLA and LB without much in between, and that'd be a good excuse for building a fast rail service that connected the two areas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 01:09:21 No.1544553 Report

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>>1544371
>there are big cities with suspension railway
How many?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 01:10:37 No.1544554 Report

Quoted By: >>1544938

>>1544549
>Not if it doesn't stop in the ghetto.
Not a political reality. If it runs through the hood and doesn't have a station, it will be chided and will be difficult to gain momentum

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2020 02:24:22 No.1544938 Report

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>>1544554
You could also skip that area entirely since there's already a line there. Maybe just use the LA River thing as a solution for getting rail from downtown out into the SFV since the only other suitable right of way got cucked out of being rail by a bunch of stupid fucking Jews. (And that's not /pol/ hyperbole, the main reason the Orange Line ended up being a fucking bus instead of rail was that a bunch of Orthodox morons were convinced they'd get run over by trains while walking to Shabbat services.)

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Anonymous Tue 15 Sep 2020 04:31:15 No.1547246 Report

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>>1544371
>You will never literally be inside Kirino

Sad

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 11:33:13 No.1548417 Report

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>>1543838
It's just as ugly as normal overpasses but you can't use normal trainsets

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Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 05:46:18 No.1549158 Report

Quoted By: >>1549162

Why don't they just take the S-bahn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 05:56:18 No.1549162 Report

Quoted By: >>1549165 >>1549167

>>1549158
Compare the stops.
Schwebebahn:
Vohwinkel – Bruch – Hammerstein – Sonnborner Straße – Zoo/Stadion – Varresbecker Straße – Westende – Pestalozzistraße – Robert-Daum-Platz – Ohligsmühle – Wuppertal Hbf – Kluse – Landgericht – Völklinger Straße – Loher Brücke – Adlerbrücke – Alter Markt – Werther Brücke – Wupperfeld – Oberbarmen Bf

S-Bahn:
Vohwinkel – Sonnborn – Zoologischer Garten – Steinbeck – Wuppertal Hbf - Unterbarmen – Barmen – Oberbarmen – Langerfeld

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 05:59:22 No.1549165 Report

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>>1549162
And Schwebebahn has a far higher frequence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 06:04:10 No.1549167 Report

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>>1549162
Buses could do that and probably do already. If one breaks down the whole track has to wait for it to be fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 12:31:55 No.1549214 Report

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>>1549167
they do for replacement service
trust me, you don't want to take the bus
they did have a good metro network which got scrapped
they also have a lot of really good railway bridges over the city to turn into an elevated rail for almost nothing
instead of new light rail lines, they build build a cable car and bike paths

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Sep 2020 12:33:00 No.1549633 Report

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>>1543838
This doesn't look practical at all, it looks dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Sep 2020 17:33:21 No.1549736 Report

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>>1549633
the only reason it works is that over 90% of the population lives a 5 minute walk away from the river that was historically lined with factories (even the Engels one) to dumping their wastewater as a product of industrialization
there is no other city in europe with a similar geography and it is mountainous as fuck so they have mostly tall buildings and high density

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Anonymous Sun 20 Sep 2020 17:37:17 No.1549738 Report

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>>1549633
also the end of the line connects to the largest german trolleybus system

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Anonymous Tue 22 Sep 2020 22:55:38 No.1550866 Report

Quoted By: >>1551773 >>1551790

>>1543838
They look pretty cool. What advantage do they have over ordinary elevated railways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Sep 2020 21:37:31 No.1551773 Report

Quoted By: >>1551947

>>1550866
Probably not anything of worth, otherwise they'd be more common.
Possible advantages to regular elevated rail:
>higher speeds in curves
>higher resistance to side winds
>stations don't need to be as high up (negated with escalators)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Sep 2020 22:21:57 No.1551790 Report

Quoted By: >>1552564

>>1550866
This is a ridiculously cool film.

Also can I just say that I'd really like to live there? That looks like a beautiful place with state of the art public transit, tree-lined boulevards, public plazas, and where people can walk places without being afraid of being run down in the street. We live in the future, how did things go so wrong?

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Anonymous Fri 25 Sep 2020 06:36:38 No.1551947 Report

Quoted By: >>1551950

>>1551773
>>stations don't need to be as high up (negated with escalators)
What if instead of high stations( expensive with escalators and uncomfortable fro passengers without them) you make train go down? Rails go down before stop and up after. Train stops at ground level.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Sep 2020 06:51:21 No.1551950 Report

Quoted By: >>1551970

>>1551947
But you'd pretty much negate the benefit of its raised design that doesn't interfere with road traffic if you have the trains come down, need to find space for a station in the road, and then have them go back up around every half mile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Sep 2020 09:01:00 No.1551970 Report

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>>1551950
>traffic if you have the trains come down, need to find space for a station in the road,
On the sidewalk. Yes you need wide sidwalk. Think of the tram line it takes horizontal space too but it also crosses car traffic so it's painfully slow by a average speed (this is why metro is liked but it is expensive).

Also it's for passengers comfort and conviniece This question is left out in public transit this is why it fails. Moving to the station up and down and often many meters to the side to reach train is not convenient for passengers. It takes time. This time should be added to the ride time. Bus stop at the sidewalk across the building you need is so much superior. But bus rides at turtle speed in traffic.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Sep 2020 10:03:38 No.1551988 Report

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>>1543930
fuck you on about /pol/? you babydicks always manage to get your issues in somehow. pretty sure this topic isn't related to your antisemitism

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Sep 2020 13:19:02 No.1552564 Report

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>>1551790
the gif doesn't really do it justice, watch the HD version at reduced speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ud1aZFE0fU

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Anonymous Sat 26 Sep 2020 14:23:38 No.1552578 Report

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>>1544095
>Its literally a train upside down.
"just put the trains upside down. we already have trains... just put 'em upside down"

engineers and city planners don't live in a cartoon universe where they can apply their imagination to anything and make it work

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