>>2047983>you cant think this is a reasonable comparison seen to usefulnessIt's a reasonable comparison in terms of how often do you bump the thing. A kickstand is far simpler than a derailleur, so while it may not be as important, it's also not as fragile.
>it's another manufacturing costThese bikes aren't exactly specced for 500€ or something. I find it hard to believe mounts made sense to include 15 years ago but not now. It seems more likely to me they evolved from sporty road bikes which never had them in the first place, but that's just a working theory of mine. I didn't really pay attention back then, though.
>i'm not saying they SHOULD disappearThen we're kinda arguing over nothing. I really just want the option. I don't want one on every bike or any bike to even come with one included.
>wildly different user baseYea, but same standard (KSA 18 and 40 mm). And you're right in that most e-bikes are basically hybrids, which is probably why they have the mounts in the first place. Still, there is a wider selection of actually good kickstands now than probably ever before. So it's not really the kickstand that is dying. The mounts are, maybe.
>but wouldn't that just be further proof of zero demand in this niche?You'll find a ton of people online asking about kickstand options for these bikes. There's really no way to know how the absence of proper mounts influences sales, especially since so few bikes actually have them so those who explicitly want mounts don't really have anywhere to go. That Koga anon sent, for example, is a 2500€ flat-bar tourer. You're not gonna buy it just for the kickstands. You need to like the whole package and, for most people looking for a tourer, the flat bars alone are a turn-off.
>>2047991Congrats, anon, you found one bike that ships with two of them. Clearly, this settles the whole discussion.
