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ITT, we discuss possible reasons as to why JR West hasn't gotten rid of its old rolling stock yet.

SR20DET !!4/NjyPX8I3s Mon 22 Aug 2016 23:51:07 No.997099 View View Reply Original Report

> Because JR West doesn't feel the need to get into a chinchin-measuring contest with JR East's E235s, E353s and EV-E801s.

> Because the Kinki region is poor compared to Kanto, and JR West doesn't have a big revenue base like JR East has; especially with the Osaka Municipal Subway and Hankyu/Keihan cannibalizing JR West's market share.

> Because JR West went broke buying their Shinkansen fleet (N700s) and can't afford to order any more 225-100/225-5100 and 323s.

SR20DET !!4/NjyPX8I3s

SR20DET !!4/NjyPX8I3s Mon 22 Aug 2016 23:57:33 No.997101 Report

Quoted By: >>997110 >>997281

By the way:

-The trains pictured are a 207 series and an ex Keihin-Tohoku Line 201 series on the Kobe Line east of Nishinomiya (more specifically, between Konanyamate and Ashiya).

-If you don't know about the EV-E801:
http://tetsudo-shimbun.com/archives/003/201511/large-564ed2100ad89.jpg
It's going to replace the KiHa 40 series on the Oga Line in Akita Prefecture in 2017.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 00:09:31 No.997106 Report

Quoted By: >>997192 >>997204 >>998222

>>997099
Do you know that trains are supposed to last 50-100 years, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 00:25:33 No.997110 Report

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>>997099
>>997101

>Keihin-Tohoku Line
>201 Series

That line never used it, it was 103 > 209 > E233. The 201 Series you see were used in the Tokaido/Sanyo Main Lines as 7-car sets before they were replaced, rearranged into 8/6-car sets and got reassigned elsewhere

>Not just post in the Japanese Railways thread

Shiggy Diggy Doo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 05:03:31 No.997192 Report

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>>997106
>Do you know that trains are supposed to last 50-100 years, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 05:27:26 No.997204 Report

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>>997106
Not from a financial standpoint.

There's a thing called useful life

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 10:50:00 No.997281 Report

Quoted By: >>997288 >>997358

>>997101
>>997099
Wow this is some next level autism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 10:52:46 No.997282 Report

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Theres nothing wrong with old rolling stock!
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Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 10:55:31 No.997283 Report

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https://youtu.be/Az-T4ctLGoU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 11:16:51 No.997288 Report

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>>997281
>comes to the most autistic board on 4chin
>gets surprised over high levels of autism
for what purpose

James

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James Tue 23 Aug 2016 11:43:01 No.997291 Report

Quoted By: >>997384

Besides JR West being poorer, I've always held the belief that they run the shitter trains on lines where they don't like the user base. The Hanwa/Loop line is lol. The Nara line is full of tourists and students.
I imagine they'll start shifting things around once the 323s come in proper. Although besides it all, I don't think JR West really subscribes to the shinkeiretsu densha concept, because of the above in that they're poorer.

Now, Hankyu. There's a classy one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 17:32:39 No.997358 Report

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>>997281
>Knowledge is a disease

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 18:36:33 No.997384 Report

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>>997291

Well, they will have to eventually replace the trains at some point since it will become cost prohibitive to keep the older sets running. After looking through the JP Wikipedia pages, West JR still has quite a lot of old JNR commuter EMUs left (I'll just do the subtotals):

Kanazawa GRSC: 55

Suita GRSC
Kyoto: 116
Morinomiya (Osaka Loop Line): 184
Nara (Kansai Main Line and Nara Line): 174
Hineno (Wakayama Area): 210

Aboshi GRSC: 40

Shimonoseki GRSC
Shimonoseki: 246
Hiroshima: 57 (most were replaced by the 227 Series recently, and more will probably be replaced as the rest of the order are built)

Okayama Branch: 255

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Anonymous Tue 23 Aug 2016 19:25:48 No.997416 Report

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No money plus Kansai frugality. They kept the KuMoHa42 in service until 2003.

Gears !MT5GearsOc

Gears !MT5GearsOc Thu 25 Aug 2016 16:59:20 No.998222 Report

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>>997106
More like 30 to 40, with a major revision around 20.
These things are used a lot harder than old steam-locos were and are much more complex.
Of course you could just mend everything that breaks for more years, but it'd be way beyond economical in most cases, since shit will fail all the time and compatible technology won't be easyly available anymore, and therefore either not available at all or horribly expansive.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 19:13:45 No.998268 Report

Quoted By: >>998318

>Old rolling stock

Trust me, here in Hungary our rolling stock is made up strongly by electric locomotives and passenger cars from the 1960-70s

pic related

BTW I'm not complaining at all, cuz I like them and there aren't any more reliable locomotives and coaches in the whole MÁV rolling stock, just curious why is it bad if a well-functioning part of the rolling stock isn't as young as a baby

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Aug 2016 22:06:07 No.998318 Report

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>>998268

It is not necessarily bad if part of the rolling stock is old, but there will be drawbacks as time goes on

- Gaps for technological and safety advancements will eventually widen
- Less efficient in terms of energy consumption compare to contemporary counterparts
- Repair/Refurbish older rolling stock will eventually become uneconomical as older parts will become harder to come by and cannabalizing older sets can only do so much

With that out of the way, for Japan's case I'm pretty sure JNR era rolling stock will probably be still in use into 2020s and perhaps even further until the very last KiHa 40 series DMU is scrapped

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