‘The Courier, in all his might, has shown he can create a mighty nation from scratch! He has cast out the Crimson Caravan, outmaneuvered the politicians sent by the NCR and drove the last organized raider resistance from the Mojave!
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 01:26:33 No. 6247004 Report Quoted By:
>>6247003 Previous threads here
>>6229600 and here
>>6221809 You can find them on archive as well
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 01:27:53 No. 6247006 Report Quoted By:
You sign off on the directives and leave your office. You’ve already let the rest of the council know you’ll be gone but kept the reasoning vague. You can sniff out liars better than anyone and the best way to hide a lie is not to lie. They did question who you'll be leaving in charge and honestly that befuddled you.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 01:29:04 No. 6247007 Report Quoted By:
He looks up to you as you approach, the small fire casting shadows across his face. You realize it’s the same agent that approached you in Freeside.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 01:30:37 No. 6247008 Report Quoted By:
As you and Vulpes travel further into Legion Land, you notice a series of things that put the empire into perspective. Firstly, you are accosted only by the occasional mole rat or radscorpion. There are no raiders or overtly dangerous wildlife. Vulpes explains that every Legionary Recruit is sent on dangerous hunting missions to separate the wheat from the chaff. Those who survive this test are inducted into the legion as the front line of the Triplex Acies.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 01:32:46 No. 6247010 Report Quoted By:
“Farming equipment, of course. The Legion is hungry and its farms are ever expanding.”
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 01:33:39 No. 6247011 Report <span class="mu-r">There he is, the man who took New Vegas from me and yet agreed to come heal me. You're the bravest fucker I've ever met, throwing my mark into the Colorado like you did. If you would have just chosen to serve me, you could have been the fiercest and most capable Legate.</span>>8 Vertibird Gunships >Armored Platoon >Land >20 prized warhorses >Washington D.C. Master Codes >Holodisks >Wealth >Specific requests
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 01:35:15 No. 6247013 Report You take the note and fold it to put in your pocket.>He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. >Thumbs down, you son of a bitch.Caesar will not live to see the morning. >I refuse to be put into this paradigm. There must be another option. (Write In)
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>>6247013 >He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. As far as rewards go I’m thinking land or warhorses, we lack the trained personnel to make much use of the vertibirds or tanks and as far as wealth goes we can always make caps our own way
Anonymous
>>6247011 >He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. Reward:
>Land More territory for free is way too good to pass up. Also we need an assurance he won't invade us anytime soon.
Although these are all good. Just from the top of my head, horses are extremely rare, the holodisks potentially being critical for us, Vertibirds and tanks are sick (especially if Daisy and the rest of the Remnants are willing to help teach people how to use them), and the D.C. Master Codes could be useful if that Enclave mystery box gets a response. Caps are fine too, but it pales a bit in comparison.
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>>6247011 >Thumbs down, you son of a bitch.Caesar will not live to see the morning. If Lanius wants to make his play, I say we let him. Cripple the Legion, and let him become king of the sandbox as it steadily crumbles around him.
Anonymous
>>6247013 >He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. >Land I'm prepared to cede the counties of Mohave, La Paz and Yuma in Arizona, as well as the counties of Washington, Iron and Kane in Utah. You also have my personal promise to not stamp out your friends in Zion.
OR
>Holodisks My empire doesn't need the information stored, but you may. It's an assorted grouping of holodisks ranging from medical training, advanced military tactics and engineering courses.
hOLODISKS ARE SO USEFUL
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>>6247011 >He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. Eugggh, I don't want to do this. But he's the lesser of many evils and his death would bathe the West in blood and end any possibility of real diplomacy with the Legion, even if I still don't trust them that much. He's going to snuff it from old age in 20-30 years anyway.
>Land Not just in the value of the land itself, this effectively gives us a formalised border with the Legion. That's incredibly valuable just from a diplomacy perspective, since it will head off a great deal of territorial conflict in the future and resolves the status of the current "grey zone" between us and them. The land itself also guarantees our access to vital natural resources like wood, coal, iron and high-quality agricultural land, secures our control of the lower Colorado dams and several large towns to add to ourselves the likes of which we just don't have elsewhere in Arizona.
In does kinda figure that a lot of the Legion's rep for Luddism we hear is exaggerated given the lack of detailed Legion PoVs in the game and prevalence of the NCR in the region. That their cities have electricity triggers my obsession with it and makes me want to restore the 500kV line to Phoenix in the future so we can sell them power by contract.
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>>6247011 >Land >Look into purchasing or trading for the others; surely there's something we have that they might want? The land itself isn't good, but the guarantee of safety for the Zion folks and the legitimacy is worth any two of the others, except for maybe the holodisks.
Maybe we can sell him our gold in exchange for those... but the denarii are made of gold and silver. Might not be too useful to him, but we can trade arms. We can also manufacture more advanced farm equipment, fertilizer, etc. and sell that.
Anonymous
For fuck's sake guys, Caesar's not going to tolerate us as a competitor to the Legion much more than Lanius or Vulpes would. Why do you think even for a second that he isn't planning to reap back anything he spends on us when he takes over Vegas?
Anonymous
>>6247013 >He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. We ever want him dead we just call up Boone and tell him we're about to make his day.
>8 Vertibird Gunships This or the holodisks. Land is useless to us right now beyond guaranteeing the independence of Zion. Imagine if we could get the Brotherhood (or Enclave) on side and drop eight squads worth of power armoured troops wherever and whenever we wanted
i.e on top of Kimball's head. . Only thing more devastating would be a nuke.
Anonymous
>>6247062 What do you even mean about preventing it from happening? Its buying us vital time and Caesar is usually a man of his word as shown in game in terms of safety.
If he breaks his word, His a dead man either-way. Also Lannius wanting him dead is a hell of alot more sketchy and worrysome.
Anonymous
>>6247079 I probably shouldn't have vented, but my point stands that we don't have any reason to believe that he won't invade us when he gets the chance, nor do we have any guarantee that he will abide by any promise he makes to leave us alone.
Anonymous
>>6247082 Okay, So where are you getting any of this 'We have no proof he will abide by any promises he makes' ?
Most of us are fully expecting to kill the Legion AND NCR down the road because nither will just let us live in peace. Its a matter of milking them while we can.
Anonymous
>>6247083 >So where are you getting any of this 'We have no proof he will abide by any promises he makes' ? Er, unless I missed a part where we have a sword of damocles hanging over his head, he can just lie and invade after promising not to. We have no means of forcing him to abide by his word.
Anonymous
>>6247079 >Also Lannius wanting him dead is a hell of alot more sketchy and worrysome. We should probably tell him that while we're here by the way. If we convince Caesar (or Vulpes) that Lanius has it out for him (which is the truth) we might just be able to kickstart the civil war ourselves.
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>>6247093 If we end up choosing to save Caesar (hell, maybe even if we don't), this is probably a good decision. An enemy civil war would buy us way more time than any amount of goodwill.
Anonymous
>>6247090 6, Boone and hell the fact we have a Veritbird that can reach out + the bomber from the boomers can or should be able to reach out here.
WE have several abilities to end this mans whole career
>>6247093 Your a fucking smart man.
>>6247013 >>6247044 >Adding to inform him about Legate Lanius TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS
TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 03:22:48 No. 6247100 Report You guys will have time to talk to Caesar if he survives the surgery.
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>>6247099 I mean, I want you to be right about being able to kill Caesar whenever but he seems like the sort to have a bunker to hide in if he realizes aircraft are after him, and given that the Legion is much more advanced than they seemed it's not impossible that they have AA capabilities. The Legion assassin squads wielded military-grade firearms, so it's entirely possible that they've adopted more modern tech than just those.
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>>6247011 The boons are a nice mix of quick upgrades, investment for long-term gains and I think a curveball.
I say curveball because if we have those DC codes that might give us an advantage with the possible Enclave for the sos.
The gunships feel like the rarer of the quick upgrades.
>Land It has a chance for great long-term benefits. We would have to work fast and recruit allies to fill in Outpost. Also I do believe in Utah there's a lot of good trade going on. Assuming I remember the lore right.
The holodisk would also be a great Advantage because knowledge is power. Having well train people means less shortage for the task ahead.
>>6247013 >He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. >Holodisks I think having some well-trained people do us better. Than stretching too thin with land.
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>>6247013 >He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. I'd have preferred to let him die from the comfort of the Lucky 38 rather than kill him in person. Also, fuck Lanius, if he wants Caesar dead then he can kill the bald fuck on his own.
I like all the rewards.
The horses are probably my favorite pick and the fact that they're an option makes me wish anons had voted to buy either Brush Guns or Trail Carbines from the Gun Runners instead of the Battle Rifles in order to complete the cowboy aesthetic.
The Master Codes seem useless in the short term but could be pretty useful if we ever make it that far east or if we wanted to sell them to the Brotherhood. Or maybe there's some other use for them.
The holodisks would help a lot and the Followers would line up to suck our dick for a peak at them.
The vertibirds, armored platoon and caps would be useful but they're nothing special imo.
The extra territory would be nice but we're already stretched pretty thin, securing the safety of the tribes in Zion would be a nice bonus though.
>>6247076 >Only thing more devastating would be a nuke. I'm sure we could find a couple in the Divide still.
Anonymous
>>6247011 The land is juicy (it’s like, three times the New Vegas map), but fuck me, that military hardware is delicious. So are the DC codes and wealth.
I’m surprised that we’re not getting offered the opportunity to negotiate another boon like last time- that was kino. Maybe with the whole Nipton shenanigans, we’d get something for their tomfoolery.
>>6247013 Unless we can impliant a brainchip that floods his brain with good feelings and generosity when dealing with us, I’d stick with keep him alive.
>>6247100 Sweet- jew him out of more boons, and maybe make the case that finding some independent dam engineers will make us rinse the NCR of their much needed funds for the war effort, considering, ya know, they get 55% or so of the dam for free, and depriving the NCR of those free percentages is where our interests align. He’d probably bite at that, given the realpolitik of it all.
Anonymous
>>6247128 I am sure we can gain something from talking about Legate Lanius. Nipton feels weird since primm was left alone. Yet speaking of boons, we do have the dice boon to use at some point.
Anonymous
>>6247167 >we do have the dice boon to use at some point. I wouldn't be opposed to using it on Caesar for some extra loot. Otherwise we're going to fall prey to typical vidya brain and save it up only to never use it.
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>>6247173 What if we used the boon to ratchet up the inner tensions within the Legion? Claim that Lanius hinted of allies close to Caesar, ones he would never suspect that would benefit from his death, and use the boon to send him into deep paranoia? We of course would be beyond reproach because we saved him when we could have just let him die.
It gets even better when you remember how the real-world Praetorians ended up as hideously corrupt kingmakers that would kill any Emperor who didn't reward them richly enough. I'll wager Caesar is keenly aware of that part of Rome's history.
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>>6247167 >>6247173 I’d prefer we try to regain our original two boons deal before thinking about cashing Nipton in personally.
Anonymous
Running through the options, here are my thoughts:>Vertibirds >Armoured Platoon >Land >20 warhorses
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>Master Codes >Holodisks >Wealth
Anonymous
What I would also say about the Land option is that it is quite sparse on details. So, QM, a bunch of questions about what we'd be buying there:>2) What sorts of populations are we looking at in terms of tribals VS non-tribals? >4) Can the Legion confirm the existence or continued operation of various pre-war installations within these borders? E,g hydro-electric dams, power lines, etc. >6) Any particular post-war dangers we should be made aware of within the region before we buy? E,g feral ghoul hordes, heavily irradiated areas, etc.
Anonymous
I'd be opposed to the land from the sheer fact that we cannot possibly defend it, much less control. I think it wouldn't be too hard to push Caesar into leaving the Sorrows/Zion alone given that there's nothing much there than greenery and living space, which while valuable isn't the most important thing in the wasteland.
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>>6247223 I mean controlling the Utah territories shouldn't be too bad compared to the southern Arizona counties - just on the basis of distance if nothing else, but also the fact that we don't have to go in guns blazing by any means. Between the Sorrows and Dead Horses plus whatever other tribes have good relations with The Burned Man and the New Canaanites, we can probably find local supporters to patrol our territory until we've enough infantry to cover it. There's also the point that we don't need that many infantry to stake a claim to it so long as the Legion aren't attacking us - what with the NCR lacking any presence, we'd be the biggest player in the region that is largely filled with Tribals based on what experience we've got. Battle rifles and decent tactics against clubs and throwing spears isn't exactly a fair fight - even assuming they've a few guns, they probably don't have the ability to really maintain them / produce ammo.
What might be more workable is an agreement that these lands are ours but that we will only take them over as we gain the resources to handle them - the Legion gets to keep extracting value from them until then while we get these regions kept in the wings for us to secure at our leisure. Might even be able to swing a bit more land that way, since we'd effectively be letting them keep most of it for quite some time...
>TASKS Capatcha speaks! Wisely too - I'd highlight as a factor for consideration if we can afford the action-cost to really make use of these territories. Personally I think the answer is yes, especially since we don't really have a choice: we need to grow stronger and quickly, these lands represent a very direct path to doing so.
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>>6247223 >I'd be opposed to the land from the sheer fact that we cannot possibly defend it, much less control. This is an important point. We haven't even secured control of the entire Mojave yet; our claim on that land would be entirely academic. Even assuming the Legion doesn't invade later, what would keep raiders or violent tribes like the White Legs from setting up in that territory before we get around to securing it? If that happened, the Legion could even turn it around on us, saying it's not their responsibility to keep our land free of crime and invaders. Worst case, they could blame us if raiders launched attacks from "our" territory and use it as a way to wring diplomatic concessions out of us. And if we spread ourselves thin to secure it anyway, we'd be falling into the trap that the NCR fell into and end up weak everywhere.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 12:44:29 No. 6247295 Report >>6247128 >negotiate another Boon Going to offer that option when talking to Caesar after, though rolling 95 on first try probably won’t happen again lmao.
>>6247200 No fuel needed for the vertibirds, the power cores are the only thing needed and unless they get damaged, will last for as long as the quest does
>>6247208 1. The Legion will remove all citizens and slaves but there are a handful of smaller local groups that they had not integrated for one reason or another that would be yours, but the region would be pretty sparse.
2. At this point it’s more wastelander than tribal due to the tribals having been integrated due to the ease of the process. Not a lot of population has mentioned but vast majority closed to the Mojave type population.
3. The Legion has pretty good records on this. Those territories consist of 90,000 people.
4.There are 6 hydroelectric dams in Southern Arizona along the border, two are working and supply local settlements. There is a decommissioned nuclear power plant we don’t go near as well as a few other points of interest, but that’s up to you to find.
5.Might makes right. It’s your territory so you need to defend it.
6. The area around the nuclear power plant is heavily irradiated and full of ghouls but they don’t stray far from it. Otherwise, it’s dry and barren with a handful of farming settlements but rich in other resources.
Anonymous
>>6247011 >>Holodisks Gladly taking this.
Otherwise I would go for the incredibly useful Vertibirds or land vehicles. Or hell, if i felt like it i would ask Caesar for is most prized slaves. And offer them freedom and service under us. It would be an actual small blow since the Legion educated slaves are probably one of their best assets, and it would give us loyal people. I am not sure Caesar would be fine with this lol.
Anything else doesn't feel worthed. Land, we haven't even full control of the living Mojave. And many Mojave settlements are also still ruins or abandoned. We arent going to control all of that land anytime soon, it looks like a trap of overextension made by Caesar. The presidential codes who knows, maybe something for diplomacy with BoS. Horses, perhaps of use for agriculture, postal service and public transportation, military units not much so (they would die easily to any good weapon, and I can see them die to some of the more dangerous wildlife). And wealth is always nice.
>>6247013 >He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. Ah we are being watched by assistants ? Too bad I guess, i really wanted to insert a little thing in his brain.
Anonymous
>>6247295 ...Okay so the land deal is decidedly a bit less impressive than it seemed at first. I'd argue it's still a pretty good deal if we felt confident we could get a decent number of infantry companies out to secure the ground - but ninety thousand isn't that many people to recruit from and the absence of any assurances from the Legion about helping us maintain territorial integrity makes the southern Arizona area basically untenable. The additional hydro-electric dams could maybe make it worthwhile but that's a long shot.
>>6247013 >8 Vertibird Gunships OR
>>Holodisks AND
>He’s better to me alive than dead. I complete the surgery successfully. Holodisks are useful for educational purposes, Vertibirds would give us insane mobility for elite strike teams and scouts - the Legion might be offering us a lot of Holodisks, but I'd bet good money we'd be able to find a number ourselves with long-ranging scouts. Also worth considering that we can probably get a lot of the contents of the holodisks from the NCR, BOS, House's records, the Vaults in our region and elsewhere, what with them being knowledge that doesn't sound particularly obscure / secret pre-war.
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Also, if we do get the 8 new Vertibirds, high priority has to be integrating the Boomers into our society ASAP since that'd be our best bet at a source of trained pilots that doesn't rely on having our only trained (and Boone-suspicion raising) pilot stuck doing that for the next year. Once we do have them though, god damn would they make expansion north easy. Utah is a very mountainous region, so being able to bypass the difficulties of foot-travel would greatly improve our ability to conduct offensives and push against enemies in unexpected ways, especially in winter. Plus that refuelling station might have other useful gear besides just the Vertibirds given the similarity to the Remnants bunker.
Anonymous
>>6247301 >i really wanted to insert a little thing in his brain. Inject a gaba antagonist into his amygdala before telling him about Lanius' betrayal, it'll be fun, I swear.
Anonymous
updated turn suggestions pastebin, added some stuff i forgot, changed a few more. Also copied past ideas left around.
https://pastebin.com/z8vZKF5i Anonymous
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:fA17RMbb Sat 24 May 2025 15:17:45 No. 6247343 Report Looks like we’re keeping him alive.
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>>6247343 In that case, I vote to use the boon here.
>>6247013 >>6247037 Also changing my Reward vote to
>Holodisks Very useful for what we have now.
and/or
>8 Vertibird Gunships Since they're gonna last as long as the quest does, and we can outfit them if we have Daisy teach some soldiers.
Anonymous
>>6247343 >Wakes up >Anyway Caesar there is a vast conspiracy against you >Who the fuck tells a brain tumor removal patient that first thing? TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS
TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 19:05:13 No. 6247446 Report Quoted By:
>>6247431 lmao give the man an aneurysm. Technically you saved him from the tumor...
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 19:12:02 No. 6247449 Report You’ve thought about what you’d do in this situation for weeks. This surgery could have only been done by a handful of those in the wasteland, his odds of survival are in the tens. A slight slip of the scalpel and….
No. You refuse to be the plaything of Lanius and for all the propaganda about him, Caesar is a head of state. Lanius and Vulpes are the worst aspects of Edward, and Lucius doesn’t seem capable of killing the hounds at the gate.
You commit to healing Caesar, and for as arduous as the surgery is, it’s surprisingly simple. After removing House's brain, this is almost child’s play. Thirteen hours later, you remove a golf ball sized tumor from the head of the Son of Mars. While he’s recovering, you clean the viscera off of yourself and rest in a room next door.
<span class="mu-r">Caesar is awake and wishes to speak to you. Follow.</span>
Your eyes bolt open and you instinctively reach for your rifle before relaxing. Lucius stands in the doorway beckoning you to follow.
You stand and follow, leaving your pack on the cot you had called your bed.
Entering the surgery room, you see Caesar sitting up in his hospital bed, looking tired but much more lively. The bandage is still bound tight around his head with splotches of blood showing through.
He sees you approach and sends the group he was speaking with away.
<span class="mu-r">There’s my savior, Courier Six. If you were in my empire, I would have given you riches and accolades beyond your wildest dreams. We only met once, when you lied to me about destroying that Securitron bunker, but I’ve done my research. You helped <span class="mu-i">him</span> drive away the White Legs in Zion, assembled a coalition of Enclave Veterans, those fuckers up at Nellis, ruined my plans for The Strip….oh well. You could have been my heir, you know? My Augustus? </span>
The Med-X he’s on is making him gregarious, or maybe this is just what a man feels when he’s saved from the grave. You remember being giddy for weeks after being dug out of that grave in Goodsprings.
[Considering Lanius is still alive, it seems you have the making of a Triumvirate, perhaps your Vulpes will be the final piece of that puzzle?]
Caesar shoots you a fiery look and purses his lips.
<span class="mu-r">Cease that talk or I’ll have your tongue cut from your mouth. What reward do you want? Choose and leave my lands.</span>
<span class="mu-s">Can use Boon to choose another reward</span>
Link to rewards here for those who haven’t voted
>>6247011 <span class="mu-s">THIS IS ALSO THE TIME TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ELSE WITH HIM, TREATIES, ETC.</span>
>Stay silent on Lanius’ message. It’ll be better as a knife in Caesar’s back >Caesar, I must tell you about something that happened on the way here…(tell him about the messaged, can use boon to increase its impact to unpredictable levels) >Before I depart, I would like to discuss.... (write-in) Anonymous
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>>6247449 >Caesar, I must tell you about something that happened on the way here…(tell him about the messaged, can use boon to increase its impact to unpredictable levels) Fuck it I'll change my vote
>>6247099 >>6247044 Total civil war
boone to this.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 19:20:02 No. 6247454 Report VOTES FOR REWARD
Autist Anon
>Holodisks >Caesar, I must tell you about something that happened on the way here…(tell him about the messaged, can use boon to increase its impact to unpredictable levels)
Anonymous
>>6247449 >Before I depart, I would like to discuss.... (Nipton and Compensation, Negotiation of an additional Boon, etc) Man, do I want an evil Courier quest in which that becomes the case. It’s a shame anons voted for the most boring option…
I wouldn’t mind telling Caesar of the betrayal so long as the write ins get addressed.
>Washington D.C. Master Codes I want that mysterybox.
Next would be Armored Platoon, Land, Gunships, Wealth in said order. The holodisks are a meme considering we have friendly relations with the BoS.
Gotta love how Survivalist dropped the Rods of God Terror Weapon but kept the 20 Warhorses as equivalent to Caesar’s life and land 3-4 times the size of the New Vegas map lmao
Anonymous
>>6247449 >Caesar, I must tell you about something that happened on the way here…(tell him about the messaged, can use boon to increase its impact to unpredictable levels) >"Doesn't seem like Lanius' thing, though. Could be a false flag." >Boon for the MESSAGE I want that land but this will be so much funnier. Maybe we can shoot the shit about both of us having a hole in our head now.
>>6247480 Warhorses are, like, borderline extinct in the US according to lore. Each one is probably worth their weight in gold.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 24 May 2025 20:02:17 No. 6247485 Report >>6247480 >dropped the Rods of God Terror Weapon Got my ass bad there. In retrospect, should have buffed the rewards.
I will say this,
there will be more than meets the eye for each reward Anonymous
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>>6247485 >spoiler While that may be interesting, I don’t know how that really changes the current calculus for the Warhorse option and the memedisks we can source from the BoS.
Anonymous
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>>6247449 >Before I depart, I would like to discuss.... (write-in) >Negotiate a non-aggression-pact between Legion and New Vegas. Maybe if we give him some intel on the NCR he could see the usefulness in having us around?
>Tell him we're making a Legion Embassy. >Use the Boon for the land Anonymous
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>>6247449 If we are using the boon for double. Then I want to grab gunships and land. The ships make managing that lands way better. If we can befriend the people on the lands. Then we can get the resources for our robots at a lower cost.
>Caesar, I must tell you about something that happened on the way here…(tell him about the messaged, can use boon to increase its impact to unpredictable levels) For hopefully we gain a lesser reward in a not aggression packed or trade.
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>>6247449 >Caesar, I must tell you about something that happened on the way here…(tell him about the messaged, can use boon to increase its impact to unpredictable levels) A funny thing happened on the way to the forum... (use the boon)
Also
>Before I depart, I would like to discuss.... The independence of Zion.
Anonymous
>>6247449 >Caesar, I must tell you about something that happened on the way here…(tell him about the messaged, can use boon to increase its impact to unpredictable levels) >Use Boon to increase impact Turn Caesar into Caligula.
>>6247454 I'll vote for the Master Codes. Can't resist a good mystery box.
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>>6247449 >Caesar, I must tell you about something that happened on the way here…(tell him about the messaged, can use boon to increase its impact to unpredictable levels) >Use the dice boon. EVOLVE CAESAR INTO CALI-
>>6247592 fuck, beat me to it
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>>6247461 Fuck I forgot about the Codes I change my vote to the master codes.
Anonymous
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>>6247076 Hell with it I switch my vote from the vertibirds to the master codes.
Anonymous
>>6247013 Changing my vote (
>>6247305 ) to
>8 Vertibird Gunships OR
>Land OR
>Master Codes Personally think the Master Codes is a total meme, but I can also admit that there is enough pre-war facilities in the DC area with interesting loot to grab...just...I mean it feels like it's one of those things where we don't have the resources to take advantage of it - it'd be yet more pre-war advanced tech we don't have factories or materials to produce and even worse, it requires us to get all the way there and secure the facilities ourselves which is a lot of legwork even if could be worth it for some things.
>>6247449 >Caesar, I must tell you about something that happened on the way here…(tell him about the messaged, can use boon to increase its impact to unpredictable levels) Might as well disrupt the Legion internally while improving our relations with Caesar - literally 0 downside besides maybe having Lanius try and screw with us before he is taken down or Caesar somehow managing to lose to him.
>Before I depart, I would like to discuss.... (write-in) A bunch of things, first off questions:
1) If he has any slaves from the Mojave / Vegas region, would it be possible to arrange to buy them back specifically?
>2) Does he have any particular border between us and them in mind in the absence of us selecting the Land Boon? 3) Is there any advanced technology, knowing now that his nation is less technophobic than previously believed, that he would be particularly interested in trading for / having a supply of? E,g if we can begin producing anti-parasitics or anti-biotics or geiger counters or something.
>4) Does he know about the Tunnelers? 5) Given his people's use of electricity, would he have any desire to buy power from us?
>6) Would pic-related be an acceptable, alternative, land deal? 7) Does he desire a Legion Embassy within Vegas?
>8) Has he heard of or encountered any other significant nationstates besides the NCR (and maybe us)? As for treaties:
1) Would it be possible to purchase salvaging permission / rights within his lands at specific pre-war locations?
>2) Agreement to a mutual 5% tariff on trade? Anonymous
>>6247680 I do like those questions. I've been trying to think of things to ask while I work. I am glad to see others got it for me.
I think if we do the boon for Two rewards the codes would be good. Since the airships will help travel. Otherwise land and then I think sets us up long term.
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>>6247684 That's basically my thinking yeah - honestly if the tanks option was replaced by, say, 40 trucks or a dozen tractors, I'd be vastly more interested since those'd do amazing work for our logistics/agriculture/industry. Do have to admit that it would be funny to boon ourselves both the vertibirds and tanks and form a small elite fighting force that can BTFO hundreds if not thousands of NCR soldiers easily...but that would be a massive waste of time and resources.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 25 May 2025 00:55:52 No. 6247688 Report From behind, the D.C. Master Codes win, what a surprise!Previous thread had a conversation that reminded me of this pic
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>>6247687 If we did go with the tanks at least the side benefit is we might get a train. Assuming the tanks can haul it back home.
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>>6247688 Put that tomboy in Heavy Trooper Armor and I'll build a time-machine to make us NCR idolized.
Anonymous
>>6247688 >Surely there's no possible downside to this, right? Super….. and if that’s all our Boon done, I’d want a damn refund, just keeping it real
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>>6247720 Look on the bright side, since we claimed the boon while using a boon to sabotage Caesar instead of claiming another boon, Boone might not Boone us when he hears about the boon.
Anonymous
>>6247688 If things go well we can try to 'Save' places from his madness. If no luck we could gain some refugees from the wars. We will need to give those codes a try on a lot of things. Just to see if we have random boons in the vaults or the like.
>>6247687 Getting back to this talk. Yeah if we got a lot of heavy machines that would be great for development.
If we went with both quick upgrades it could be a waste. We would need to work quickly to take prime areas. Things that would support the level of power we gained. I am guess north may have some unclaimed land. At least not claimed by the two big powers near us. Otherwise we could do bribes and scouting the lands of NCR and Caesar's Legion. Fine the main Logistics to raid and burn what we can't take. It would be hard to keep looking like the good guys after that.
Anonymous
>>6247846 >looking like the good guys I got bad news for you my man, Nobody is a 'good guy' when it comes to politics or nations. Its them vs us.
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>>6247848 True, but if we want to look like the good guy to the people. It will be hard if we start raiding. Unless we remember to spin things the right way.
For example we could have people look like the Enclave. Then use them to hit targets and sort the loot for later use in New Vegas. We know of the random Enclave bases. All we would need to do is ensure things will not be traced back.
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>>6247848 People in power can choose not to be assholes without sacrificing everything, you know. While statecraft is indeed messy business, that doesn't mean that there isn't benefits to trying to play fair when it costs you little to do so.
People (and nations) like fair negotiators more than they like sleazy salesman who will gleefully exploit them given half a chance.
Anonymous
>>6247846 If we want to expand north without getting into an out-and-out battle with the Legion, our best bets are either to expand north-west primarily or to back locals to fight the Legion for us. The Sorrows, Dead Horses, New Canaanites and so on, if supplied with weapons and munitions, training and intel, are perfectly capable of at the very least pushing the Legion's puppet tribes back. Once they've been pushed back, all we need to do is construct "trade posts" within their lands - at critical junctions to control movement - it's purely a precautionary measure that the trade posts are made of reinforced concrete thick enough to stop a .50 cal, surrounded by barbed wire and manned by a half-company of soldiers...
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>>6247859 That would be good to back the locals. It would help keep Caesar's growth and check. Plus depending on how things turned out with the boon.
Maybe we could gain more from the in fighting viva the tribes. Then we build up alliances and gain more territory.
Anonymous
>>6247859 I think we really need a map of where all the borders are.
Zion is northeast of Vegas, and is controlled by the Sorrows
Dead Horse Point is north of Zion and under the control of the Dead Horses
New Canaan/Ogden is further north, it was sacked but the survivors were alive at DHP and might or might not have rebuilt
Salt Lake City was sacked, and is under 80s control (previously the White Legs). This is presumably the northwestern edge of the Legion's influence.
While I doubt the Sorrows/Dead Horses are interested in properly joining us, they'd probably be interested in a military alliance to hem in the Legion, especially since Joshua has so much influence among them.
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>>6247871 >I think we really need a map of where all the borders are. A bit but for now let's assume that Caesar is promising us everything the Legion has in the "west" / south-west of Utah, depending on how north into the state their reach extends.
The Sorrows and Dead Horses might join us assuming we convince The Burned Man of our cause. The Dead Horses hold immense respect for him and The Sorrows adore both us and him, given the importance the end-slides place on our actions determining the future of their culture. Plus, even if they only want a military alliance, that doesn't preclude them becoming semi-independent states under us to integrate later.
Anonymous
Also, switching topics for a bit, back in the first thread I asked about the price for constructing "barracks housing" (bunkbeds, communal showers, toilets, kitchen) for 100 people and Farkas gave a cost-estimate of 20,000 to 50,000 caps per - "It’ll depend on where we build them, the materials and labor available and inevitable issues with the construction. The more we build them the easier it will be". We've already knocked 20% of the price off with the Small Caravan Company - we've yet to see what the expansion will do, but let's suppose it doesn't change the math for now. That means to house 100 people in (relative to ruins and very improvised shanties) comfortable conditions, if lacking in privacy, we're looking at a cost of 16,000 to 40,000 caps per. Assuming we can get a good supply of construction materials (concrete and wood primarily, though brick would work too) and, assuming that includes furnishings, establish some sort of production capacity for beds, chairs, tables, etc? Might be able to get that down to 10,000 to 30,000~ per.
Anonymous
>>6247897 Before we start the housing idea of Farkas and Arcade for Freeside (but we could also use it for rebuild properly and better Boulder City and Novac), ensuring Sloan as a concrete production, Jacobstown a wood industry and that we start work on destroying South Vegas Ruins should probably give us a bigger benefit in construction costs.
Much like building up and improving leather industry, plus the Mojave hunting guild, would likely decrease a bit more costs for military. As well improve our economy.
Anonymous
>>6247945 I'd definitely want at least Sloan and Jacobstown operational again because that's the two things we need for a semi-practical mass-fabrication of housing (and other things).
Simply put, if we can make interlocking wooden forms for casting concrete, we can pour concrete straight into them and, when it sets, remove the forms to use them again somewhere else. This'd make the casting of any repeated structure (e,g a block of housing, but it can also be done as individual sections of a overall structure that can be mixed together to form a variety of designs to produce variety visually and in terms of utility) at least somewhat practical for us. This admittedly requires the casting forms to be made quite well, but so long as we can do that, we can create relatively complex structures very easily.
The alternative would be pre-cast sections but although those would be quicker to build with, they'd require us to have cranes to raise them into place and trucks or railways to transport them to the construction site. Moving bags of cement and mixing them on-site might not produce the best mix of concrete, but it will be easier to do at the start at least.
Anonymous
>>6247950 What exactly is preventing Jacobstown from providing lumber? They were able to set up a lumber barrier around the town just fine, they've expressed interest in trade, and the trade route between them and West Vegas is secure. Do they just not produce quickly enough at this point to be relevant or something?
Anonymous
>>6247952 Tools and experience I'd assume, at least for producing products and not just logs or firewood. The lumber barrier around their settlement is a very basic palisade, not exactly indicative of skilled carpenters or even adequate tools. They also only have a population of 500, most if not all of whom are supermutants. Supermutants aren't exactly the smartest in a lot of cases, plus there's the nightkin who're literally schizos. Chances are they've got most of their population that can work busy producing food.
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>>6247950 I think it shouldn't be an issue to do so.
We just need to invest or put an action in it. The benefit of a wood industry is that it can also become much more like making furniture etc... it would really help.
Its probably not going to be done soon. Much like the Hunting Guild. The silver lining is that i recon there will be enough people that will realize making the government building and the laws are too important to pass up. So those should be done in the coming turns, which is very nice.
>>6247952 I mean its not relevant now. Or not relevant enough. I think they trade some lumber right now. A small mention of small trade was said when we started doing patrols between Vegas and Jacobstown (after Westside asked us of doing said patrols) but....not much else. There is no great benefit. And its completely understandable.
It never was a really organized or a proper industry in the game. Its a small thing right now. Develop it, invest in it and it gets better. If we transform it in a real wood industry there instead of chopping just some pieces of lumbers (like they are doing i assume) it would help us.
For example the small investiment of 20k we did in a turn on Bonnie Springs, was immediately used by them for build something that would help them.
>>6247959 Also these valid reasons.
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>>6247694 >Trains >Tanks Hmm. Seeing them in the same sentence gives me an idea. Once again, we look to the past.....
>>6247952 We had some discussions about this last thread. While there's nothing inherently stopping Jacobstown from establishing a logging industry, their reserves of accessible trees suitable for turning into timber are limited - while they can produce some, if we want large quantities of timber for mass construction, we're going to have to look further afield.
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>>6247688 >Surely there's no possible downside to this, right? Hopefully this boon improves relations with Caesar. Though, doing so will definitely be a double edged sword. Still, it'll definitely be interesting.
>>6247720 I don't particularly like it either, but the vote's the vote and there's no use complaining about it.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:0j9D8gLh Sun 25 May 2025 16:44:44 No. 6248056 Report The “surely no downsides” is a little facetious on my part. A boon was used so there will be no downside on the Mojave’s part, at least in the short term.
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>>6248056 >there will be no downside on the Mojave’s part Wrong. A critical shortage of popcorn is looming!
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 25 May 2025 16:57:28 No. 6248064 Report Also, this will be a long post that will finish the turn. If there’s anything else you want to do in legion territory, respond to this post. As long as it’s not crazy or too expensive, will just throw it in.
Anonymous
how about finding a map maker and try to get a map detailing the geographic and distances between cities within The Legion? could be useful in the event of a invasion and if one wanted to potentially bomb New Rome.
Anonymous
>>6248056 Ah alright, I suppose that's fair.
>>6248075 Likewise I'd like for us to have a map of the New California Republic in the event that we need to hurt the NCR where it counts.
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>>6248064 Get a map of what the Legion's land looks like.
>>6248081 Supporting this too, though we can probably just trade for one with all the commerce we have with the NCR already.
Anonymous
>>6248056 Probably not- I have a dim view of turning Caesar into Stalin and causing even more suffering to the people underneath his rule. I just wanted to use the boon on the negotiation of a second boon to try and net us three boons, not recreate the Stalinist state on our doorstep.
The only silver lining I see is that he’ll trust us implicitly like Stalin did with Hitler. It really sad when you consider we’re probably the closest thing Caesar has that could be considered a friend.
>>6248064 I wanna do both those things (make the dogs a gaggle of them), but I mainly wanna make good on that 69 Legion trade talk- don’t think I forgot Survivalist! You have a duty to uphold!
Otherwise, maybe check the slave markets for worthwhile people to free, maybe bet on us in a gladiator fight? See if they have regular horses for sale.
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>>6248064 i want to make clear we are claiming both cottonwode cove and the ex legion fort, and that we will have them. i don't really care if he says yes or no. We will have them end of the line.
beyond that sure buy some dogs. Maybe we will buy some slaves we free and offer them a new life in our service or to go back to their home. Skilled people and the like.
I want to take a look around at their average settlement. Mostly for general knowledge and if we ever make the idea of the Olympus Casino i have in mind, and that i left in the pastebin i made. beyond that nothing else. I don't want to remain here forever, we have work to do back home.
>>6247328 also do you prefer me posting this whenever needed (like when turn starts) or do you prefer to copy it and post in the turns in your posts ?
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>>6248088 >>6248106 Speaking of dogs, this is a great opportunity to get some for future Cyberdog development.
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>>6248064 Continue to ask around among merchants about things going the other way this time. What resources are produced in Legion territory and what can we import from them?
>>6248075 Speaking of bombing, we still have a few nuclear missiles lying around in The Divide that we disarmed. Perhaps one day, we could bring them under our control as our own nuclear deterrent, or retrofit them with conventional payloads if we can't rearm the warheads (depending on CEP). The Legion has no air assets, so we could absolutely bomb Caesar our of bed if we knew where he was and could get there without everybody being all "holy shit, it's that bomber, run". We could salvage the handful of light civilian jets around the place and use them as precision tactical bombers as well, or perhaps cannibalise them for parts to turn the fighter jet in McCarran Terminal from a hollow airframe into a combat aircraft again for anti-vertibird duty.
>>6248088 If Caesar does start going down that route, the Mojave's door will always be open to refugees. In fact, as quality of life and opportunities increase, we should go pretty hard on this angle to attract migrants. The dispossessed of the West, the downtrodden of the East, the tribals of the North, all will be welcome to begin anew in Vegas.
We are possibly one of the only people (particularly outside the Legion) who Caesar actually respects on a personal level. Sure, it's a pretty grudging respect and we're more rivals than friends, but he acknowledges us as a peer who is worthy of their title and reputation. Whether that is for better or worse remains to be seen.
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>>6248132 yeah thats fine, though i am taking them more for dog racing, alongside police and army which is something we should be able to give them somewhat in the near future.
Anonymous
I'll be entirely honest, if we'd had an actual vote where various options were laid out for the use of the Boon, I doubt using it to make Caesar paranoid / go harder against an attempted coup would really have gone anywhere compared to two of the listed rewards.
>>6248151 >actually respects on a personal level It helps that we've very little connection to him but are clearly competent I think - if we'd betrayed him after becoming a lot closer, he'd hate us, but we were a total outsider; us failing to obey / fall in line is kinda expected...
Also, in terms of Legion trade plans, they synchronise quite well with our own needs. They need steel and farming equipment, we need steel and farming equipment - and will soon have the capacity to produce the former and probably some forms of the latter. Similarly, arms and armour - Mojave leather is going to be a good export to them for that reason, though in terms of arms, I'd hold back on that since it's a lot more controversial to supply - at most repurposeable tools like sledgehammers, machetes and so on.
What I will suggest we look into is a dye factory. Assuming that their wastelander puppet regimes aren't running a dye factory, their only sources of various dyes are natural or pre-war stocks. We can supply dyes that don't fade, don't run off with water, don't stain and so on in various rare colours. Same goes for paints, especially protective ones, they're very much luxury items but they should be a decent project to do at some point, with a lot of potential for profit given most of the wasteland doesn't have vital industries, let alone luxuries. Probably a good market amongst the NCR and up north in Zion/Utah.
Speaking of the NCR - perfume and makeup. Light weight, compact, high value and easy to sell to tourists (and then to export to those same tourists who want a refill of their favourite perfume at home). Other chemical products we'd do well to produce at quantity would be cleaning agents, even just bleach and chlorine would have a lot of export potential and be useful internally to improve hygiene (or to improvise gas weapons if we need to).
Canned food is probably going to be quite desirable by the Legion and frankly, it's a perfect trade good: we sell them canned food, they sell us food and scrap metal (e,g emptied cans) and so, ideally, we end up getting a net-profit of food and metal while they get non-perishables for their army and granaries.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 00:07:52 No. 6248301 Report >>6248292 >actual vote Not going to disagree, always tough to want to be deliberative but not want to take three days for one vote. I had half a mind to just not use the boon as there was not an overall consensus but the last few votes before I called it seemed to move the needle. Oh well, that’s life
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>>6248292 Some of that depends on what NV Steel does. To me, the facility seems more like a foundry (that could certainly mass-produce tools) and doesn't have the facilities to produce virgin steel (the facility is way too small and doesn't have any sign of a blast furnace or the supporting facilities for one) - really, it doesn't seem like anyone really does that any more since everyone just recycles scrap. Even the NCR does it via the Boneyard. We've got plenty of scrap for the time being but we may need to construct a steel mill from scratch if we want to produce virgin steel (which also requires getting our hands on a supply of iron ore, which we don't have right now, though we have the coal and lime). I'm likewise wary of exporting weaponry to the Legion lest we become picrel.
It's a shame that the alkali refinery next door to the still-standing titanium plant is gone. It could have been used to produce all kinds of chemicals including the active ingredients for bleach (chlorine dioxide) as well as important industrial feedstocks like chlorine, hydrochloric acid and alkali and alkali earth metals. I'm not really sure what goes into paint and dyes, all of the ingredients and the variations among them make my head spin - both sides would definitely buy paints and dyes, though I'm unsure about up north. Even if the Dead Horses take over, I don't think the raiders and tribes scratching in the dirt in Utah and SLC have much worry for luxuries. I'd give a big thumbs up for canned food (corned beef? corned beef.) though.
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>>6248301 >I had half a mind to just not use the boon as there was not an overall consensus but the last few votes before I called it seemed to move the needle. Damn. Well, it should be fine. Hopefully this boon will actually be of help instead of just making us have a crazier Stalin at the doorstep.
Anonymous
>>6248313 Virgin steel production, if we need a blast furnace, will require refractory bricks. That means we need good clay and a lot of it if we're looking at any sorts of large scale production of metal from ore. If we're lucky there's at least some from-ore capability in the NV Steel facility. Worst comes to worst, we could grind the ore down to a fine powder and seperate it by weight to try and get it as close to pure iron as possible, maybe even using acid-leaching or electrolysis to seperate it out from the ore (if it accumulates on an electrode, we just recycle the electrode too). That'd be quite inefficient and expensive compared to a blast furnace, but if we need to process ore, we need to process ore.
This is admittedly why I want to produce canned goods btw, the ability to get scrap metal in and send a portion of it back out (only for it to be returned once used!) means we can feed a recycling system for most of our needs for quite some time, since I doubt the Legion is burning through their pre-war salvage supply quickly.
As for dyes and paints, depends on how we want to do them - lead after all is a simple option but it has known downsides. You are right that the poorest to the north might not buy much but the thing is, there has to be a market for it for painting religious objects - I forget if it is the Sorrows or Dead Horses, but one of them paints all over Zion - offering them new varieties of paint may be profitable and popular with them.
Anonymous
>>6248320 Ideally, Caesar's attention would turn inward for a long while (buying us way more time before an invasion than mere goodwill would) and culminate in a civil war that would cripple the Legion as a state. While we probably won't be THAT lucky, paranoia has a rich history of being a self-fulfilling prophecy when it comes to tyrants.
Anonymous
>>6248335 To be fair, an invasion is by no means a certain thing; with even rudimentary fortifications the river can represent a hard border between our interior and any assault that isn't directed a great distance south or north first. If we outfit watchpoints with machineguns and spotlights, any attempted crossing of the river would be spotted and eliminated swiftly. At least that wasn't covered by heavier weapons like rocket launchers to crack our defences from a distance, but those aren't exactly plentiful in terms of ammo or launchers and, arguably as importantly, the creation of defences against them is not impossible.
The Dam meanwhile, although vulnerable as of now, could easily be fortified extensively. Our five howitzers alone, with pre-determined angling for gunnery at various critical points, would cause significant harm to any attempt at an assault. If we can fabricate protected embrasures or some similar such method to prevent counter-battery eliminating them, they could single-handedly command any battle at the dam, so long as a supply of shells can be kept.
Further then there are the actions we can take to enhance the defensive capacity of our land. Land mines are a simple, if presently expensive, option. Removing slopes on either side of the river to reduce launching and landing points would simplify the defence of the river by narrowing the areas in need of protection. Relocating radioactive waste barrels too could be a simple way to deny routes of attack or critical locations for them; poisoning wells and other sources of water for example would make it much harder for them to sustain any sorts of attack.
This is to say nothing of the potential for us to train and maintain a sizable and well-equipped force of infantry who, in combination with our allies, can trade favourably against the Legion from these positions. It is also to say nothing of the growing benefits of trade with us to the Legion which, although not yet significant I'd imagine, will grow in prominence as we begin producing more and more advanced resources rather than largely agricultural and hunting products.
Anonymous
>>6248335 I would've rather had the boon for a second reward than deal with a future mess (with the potential to eventually deny us a least one major trading partner), but I won't complain about the way the votes went. What's done is done, we'll just have to pay the price for it later.
>>6248342 That's a well thought out plan. Also it reminds me that we should prepare to fight the NCR, should things go south with them.
Don't want us to end up like the Courier from Fallout Dust. Anonymous
>>6248331 There should be a couple of places to quarry clay from around the northeast shore of Lake Mead, though I'm unsure if bentonite clays will be suitable for firing into bricks - I hope they are, since that's the only clay in all of Nevada and it's going to be a pain in the ass to import a load of bricks otherwise. For iron, I believe there has been historical iron mining up around Cedar City.
For cans, we are also going to need a second material for internal rustproof coatings. Since we don't have aluminium or tin, we can't make cans out of them so it's going to have to be coated steel. The usual tinplate is out for lack of tin and plastic is complex, so I think our best bet would be galvanisation, for which we'll need some zinc production too. That and a facility to sterilise the can fillings before sealing.
>>6248345 The NCR is more difficult to defend against than the Legion given we don't have the river as a barrier and they have airpower. Though if they do decide to come at us, they do have a few chokepoints we can fortify or attack in the form of I-15, I-40 or CA-127 and still suffer the same issues they did in Mojave Campaign of stretched supply lines and low public support. We did also inherit an AA cannon from them and killing vertibirds is part of the reason I brought up getting ourselves an airforce earlier - vertibirds are scary, but they would be so much meat to a real fighter.
Anonymous
>>6248342 >The Dam meanwhile, although vulnerable as of now, could easily be fortified extensively. Except Oliver explicitly took that approach and the Second Battle still would have been rather even if we hadn't tipped the scales. Another battle that way would be like the first, except harder because the NCR wouldn't be fighting too.
Granted, Oliver was a nepo baby glory hound who specifically ignored intelligent advice so he could claim more credit for himself, and deliberately turned the upcoming battle into a cold war buildup so he could have a glorious large-scale battle on his resume, but the point is that even heavily fortified the dam isn't remotely unbreakable to the Legion.
Not saying that we shouldn't fortify it, mind, just that we aren't going to be too much better off defending it than the NCR would have been without us, and we're going to have to prepare extensively and make the good decisions that Oliver didn't to be able to protect it ourselves.
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>>6248345 Luckily for us, fighting the NCR is unlikely to come up for at least the next few years - Hanlon wants internal development and Kimball has already been burned by Vegas, so restarting a war here wouldn't play well with his voters, especially given he's already raising taxes and such.
If we did have to defend against the NCR, my advice would be a defence in depth / hit-and-fade approach that takes advantage of the long and inhospitable stretch between their core and ours. Bombardments late at night by Securitrons and killing their rear-line units forcing them to maintain guards along the whole route and thus greatly reducing their ability to send supplies and concentrate troops towards the front line.
It wouldn't be perfect of course, Rangers would present a definite risk to the Securitrons given they're armed heavily enough and know about tracking and desert survival. Thing is, they probably can't match a Securitron in terms of speed or endurance - just go top speed in a straight line away from them for half a day and they won't be able to catch up in time before the sand starts covering your tracks. Plus, so long as we win the engagements the Rangers make well enough, damaged Securitrons can be dragged away by the rest for later repairs.
Throw in collapsing of wells along the route and using the Boomers to bomb out bridges and other infrastructure even farther back, they might even struggle to supply enough water for their forces which would limit their ability to really deploy their superior numbers. Then it's just a matter of breaking down their morale - radio broadcasts and loudspeakers demanding their surrender or desertion, reminders of their families back home and how this war has denied them water and power that Vegas was happy to share for the greed of their cattle baron masters.
Limited numbers, limited mobility, limited supplies and limited morale. They could probably win, eventually and on paper, but it would be a punishing fight the whole way for them. I'd expect them to end up losing due to mass desertion or troubles at home before they would actually close on Vegas. Especially if we employ things like chemical bombs, radiation or other measures.
If we can get to the point of having internal production of Protectrons, even just a dozen a month, that would change things significantly because then we can produce automated pillboxes, interlinked to create a defensive grid. Say a dozen sensors, three machineguns and a mortar, sharing targets to other points in the grid. They'd be dumb, at least a bit vulnerable to flanking or indirect fire, but as a way to create areas they can't chase or advance easily, it might be worth it. That or we load Protectrons up with enough radioactive material and plastic explosives to coat a half mile diameter in a nice green glow and use them as suicide bombers - though ideally for that I'd want Mr Handy's or Eyebots given their greater speed and flight makes interception less likely.
Anonymous
>>6248358 I think the best thing we could do right now with the NCR is come up with ways to embarrass/discredit Kimball without offending the NCR as a whole. Hanlon is anti-imperialist, so somehow maneuvering him or his faction into power would be a ticket to not having to worry about NCR aggression for as long as his influence holds out, and once there we could easily prop up his popularity by giving him better deals on power, water, and all the usual things that would make their citizenry happy.
Getting there, of course, is the hard part, and doing it without being accused of meddling in NCR politics will be harder. The safest way would be to repeatedly embarrass him and his staff at negotiations (which we've kind of been doing), but if we set up a proper Department of Intelligence and get one of those AutoDocs into a secure location, it would open a lot of doors for clandestine manipulation of Kimball and Hanlon's reputations.
Anonymous
>>6248352 >Except Oliver explicitly took that approach and the Second Battle still would have been rather even if we hadn't tipped the scales. Another battle that way would be like the first, except harder because the NCR wouldn't be fighting too. No offense, but Oliver didn't do jack shit to harden the dam or the surrounding area, he just brought in a vast number of troops because he wanted a slogging match that'd show his troops were better than the Legion (and that Hanlon's tactical victory was nothing compared to the total annihilation of the Legion, so he's the better general clearly).
There were no HMG posts on the dam's towers, no metal gates bar the single one on the far end of the dam, no attention was given to installing automatic weapons positions within the dam or to creating additional gates within the dam itself nor to the use of explosives (fragmentation primarily), incendiaries, radiation, chemical or electrical traps anywhere. No robotic defences either nor use of any artillery (the god damn Legion brought more artillery than the NCR!) while the ridge on the NCR-side of the dam was also unfortified even while being manned by Rangers despite it having a good line of coverage across the whole dam and requiring the whole length be cleared to assault it. Admittedly, given the Legion had out-flanked them via Cottonwood Cove and such, a strong position on the NCR-side of the dam would've been attacked from behind (which I'd assume played at least part of the reason that the in-game battle went against the NCR so easily...).
They also totally abandoned any attempt at fortifying beyond the far side of the dam as well (this being the other reason I'd assume the battle went against them so much - Legion snipers / marksmen), admittedly by the time that was under consideration the Legion were in force on that side but god dammit, the high ground is on that side - abandoning it so quickly and with no thought to it was incredibly unwise. We don't have to make that mistake however. This is an additional point - when I say "fortifying the dam" I include the general area of it, not just the structure itself.
>heavily fortified the dam isn't remotely unbreakable to the Legion. No fort is untakeable if you've the right motivations, means and time - on that I agree - but we can get pretty damn close if we have the time, manpower and resources. After all, the intention I'm aiming for is for Caesar to look at the cost of breaking through our defences and consider it too high for what the reward would be. That, I think you can agree, would be achievable?
Anonymous
>>6248349 >bentonite Might work, might not, worst comes to worst we'll just have to do a research action to Courier-up a alternative or additive to make it work.
>Iron Mm, frankly we don't need a huge influx of metal short term so even a alluvial source would be fine. The RMRP calls for us to produce...20 or 50 tons of goods a year? I think that was the number, not exactly massive amounts of iron involved there, well within the supply of scrap recycling.
>For cans, we are also going to need a second material for internal rustproof coatings This is where scrap-metal recycling (and returns of used cans!) is so useful since it allows us to bypass limited material supply at least somewhat.
>>6248363 Eh, I think Kimball is going to be on his way out fairly soon in any case given his attempt at the trade war ended with so little gain. Sure, no public outcry either but his issue was growing unpopularity due to rising taxes and such - so long as things hold the course, his popularity won't go up while Hanlon's can really only rise as his points (internal development over expansion / military opportunism) gain ground.
Anonymous
>>6248368 >but god dammit, the high ground is on that side - abandoning it so quickly and with no thought to it was incredibly unwise IIRC Hanlon explicitly told Oliver to do just that, but Oliver's ego wouldn't have any of it and he instead put them on the opposite side where they wouldn't be relevant to the battle unless it was already lost. Anyway, while we disagree about how dangerous the Legion would be to a fully fortified dam, at the very least we can agree that fortifying the dam and the surroundings is something that needs to be done before the Legion gets its shit together.
>After all, the intention I'm aiming for is for Caesar to look at the cost of breaking through our defences and consider it too high for what the reward would be. I think Caesar would normally regard taking the dam as a matter of pride and would allow this to dictate his judgment on whether to take it at all, but I'm hopeful that the Legion will be too preoccupied with the whole conspiracy paranoia thing to pay attention to conquest until well in the future.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 03:17:09 No. 6248394 Report Quoted By:
[The codes. I choose the D.C. Presidential override codes.]
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 03:19:30 No. 6248395 Report You hide your shock at the mighty Caesar asking you, nearly with tears in his eyes, how to beat back the hounds at the gate.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 03:21:49 No. 6248397 Report [Are there any slaves in this camp from the Mojave? Any I am able to buy the freedom of?]
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 03:24:07 No. 6248398 Report Quoted By:
He hands you a Mark of Caesar, the same one you threw in the Colorado months ago. How fortunes turn…
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 03:26:03 No. 6248399 Report One last surprise you encountered on your trip home was the “D.C. Master Codes” you chose from Caesar. You were expecting a holodisk but instead it was an oversized briefcase that weighed nearly 80 pounds. After replacing the dead power source with a fission battery, you faced a heavily encrypted firewall. It was nothing a night around the fire with your new merchant friends couldn’t fix and you made a very pleasant discovery.>-9,000 caps for dogs >-25,000 for Legion embassy renovations >+75,000 caps for Caesar’s apology
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>>6248376 Said source of iron near Cedar City is indeed an alluvial deposit. I'm not aware of any known ones that are much closer than that, at least not exploitable ones. That said, any copper, zinc and gold mining and refining will produce large quantities of waste iron sulphides we can process in a pinch.
The principal use of the steel I'm thinking of is in construction and heavy engineering. We can coast off of recycled metal for years for only everyday manufacturing use but, if we're going to embark on engineering projects and fabricating machinery that uses a lot of steel, we're going to need more than just whatever substantial-but-finite reserve of scrap we can round up as well as if we're going to mass-produce robots (though the Secuitron design as it stands needs titanium). I agree that it's not a concern for the immediate future but we will need to begin production of virgin steel eventually.
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>>6248392 Reasonable.
>>6248399 >The Boon ...I take it back, this is the best boon, the biggest boon, people tell QM, he's too generous, they've never seen boons like this - we beg him to stop us winning and he gives us this...we're going to keep winning, no matter what!
Okay but more seriously, Caesar is now nominally convinced we're 100% behind him, wants us to be his heir at least somewhat and is about to strip his administration of at least some of his most competent bureaucrats, spies, leaders and fighters. I can't imagine he'll go full Stalin and the Legion has plenty of talent to fill the gaps on the frontlines / lower levels - but he is still tearing out a fair portion of his heart. Also the legion are vastly less technophobic than we thought. That's good - they'll be a better consumer than expected, the power tools the H&H factory can produce are exactly the sorts of thing they might-
>ANY government facility in the country QM, pls, I would like to stop winning now...
Anonymous
>>6248402 >The principal use of the steel I'm thinking of is in construction and heavy engineering. Correct, if I might make a fun historical comparison - this is exactly what the Soviet union ran into. TLDR - Soviet housing buildings were made out composite reinforced panels instead of steel reinforced, because it made them lighter and saved steel for other uses where you had to use metal.
We've got a massive surplus of electrical power and a desert, so glass-fibre reinforcement of concrete for construction is possible, if not exactly 100% practical but if it saves us steel, it's probably at least worth considering. Plus, fibreglass would be useful to have a supply of anyway for making various things.
>I agree that it's not a concern for the immediate future but we will need to begin production of virgin steel eventually. Oh definitely but hopefully by that point we've gotten far enough north, east or south to extract supplies of good quality ore or even find existing facilities to work with. Pittsburgh survived the war with its industry intact after all, that suggests there should be other steel-making towns and cities that survived given it would definitely have been known to the chinese.
Also, with knowledge we can access any government facility in the country now, I think it's time to get started on a grand field trip across the US via vertibird to see what we can find that hasn't been looted. Starting with the Enclave locations Mr House knew about but also anything that we can find beyond that. Hell, we should ask Raul if he knew about any locations down in Mexico from his pre-war days...
Anonymous
The fucking state of affairs. Ave, True to Caesar our adopted Father now?
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>>6248395 >You will secure your inheritance, this mighty empire Assuming he's actually being honest and stays with this mentality, this is legitimately an amazing chance we got handed to us. Like the other anon said, I take back everything I said about the boon. We could basically inherit the entire Legion in the future, all given to us in a silver platter. All while Caesar gets rid of those we don't like from within the Legion (and we even get to have some fun personally getting rid of Vulpes and Lanius).
>>6248399 >skeleton key that unlocks the secrets of the old world. And even the reward is way better than expected. This was absolutely worth it.
>>6248410 >The fucking state of affairs. Ave, True to Caesar our adopted Father now? At this point I wouldn't rule it out. And if we play our cards right, we get the whole empire from the man himself.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 03:56:27 No. 6248417 Report Quoted By:
Ugh, forgot the map. Will post tomorrow when I post turn
Anonymous
>>6248408 I'm unaware of any steel mills in operation between the Wasatch and the Sierras (the one over in Kingman is just a foundry). That said, I know there was a steel mill in Orem that closed in the 2000s IOTL, perhaps it didn't ITTL - if it survived the nuclear flattening of SLC, that is.
Anonymous
>>6248419 To be fair, alternate universe, alternate locations of industry - especially in a world where China remained / returned to being properly Communist, the USSR never fell (well, for awhile longer), etc. For all we know somewhere in Idaho is the irradiated city of New Pittsburgh that churned out tanks and weapons for the war against China.
In any case, that's a problem for the Anons of at least a few dozen turns from now - the real question is, what are we going to do short-term? Given the influx of yet more caps and the reduced need to grow our military (local threats under control, NCR and Legion busy), we could deplete our treasury to start the other half of RMRP stage 2 and hopefully get all of our industry online by the end of the year / mid point of next year depending on precisely how well things go for it...
Anonymous
>>6248399 What a hell of a way to end the trip.
So I am not sure how to talk Boone into it, but getting the gang in on it will be a neat talk to have. I still want to talk to Marcus about super mutants in the army and/or help with labor.
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>>6248399 …when I said I wanted a resolution to the 69 Legion roll, I didn’t mean the Courier getting to call Caesar Daddy >:^(
Et tu, Survivalist? EN TU!?!
Anonymous
>>6248399 I'll admit it, this is way tf better than killing Caesar.
What the actual christ is this situation?
>>6248424 The fact that we convinced Caesar to purge the fuck out of his own men will probably go a long way, especially if we angle it as setting them up for a civil war. Because I'm quite sure Lanius' faction isn't going to take it lying down, and it's not impossible Lanius himself might decide to skip all the politicking and just go for a coup.
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>>6248397 >Texan Brotherhood Nice. We can ask Hardin about them.
>Go, son, and do me proud. This bald retard is really beginning to think we're his Augustus even as we put a knife to his back. I almost feel bad. Almost.
>>6248399 >any government facility in the country Oh fuck. I wasn't too convinced that healing Caesar was a good idea but this has been a pretty good turn. The Courier keeps winning.
Anonymous
So I take it we all want to dedicate Courier actions (one or both) next turn to hitting up any government facilities nearby we can to see what loot we've got to work with and try to (hopefully) find a map of other places?
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>>6248437 Not to mention the possibility that it wasn't even Lanius, and that the person telling us was a fals-flag by ANOTHER faction to get us to kill Caesar and get us killed when we went for a reward from Lanius, or a giga-shadowrun to direct Caesar's wrath at Lanius should he find out.
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>>6248445 Could be worth it to check out the enclave outpost we know of. Just to see if we can get an ship or ask to borrow to one the remnants here have.
Anonymous
>>6248445 According to House's files, the closest Enclave cache from Vegas is apparently about a week's journey north. We could probably have Daisy fly us there and back in hours though. Or we could travel by foot and check on Zion and Graham.
Anonymous
>>6248399 Hot damn that is an an amazing boon. We can bully the Enclave AND the Brotherhood with this thing.
>>6248424 Should be pretty easy to get Boone on side, we're setting up the legion for collapse/taking over, and basically ensuring we can do whatever the hell we damn well please in Legion territory, which means he and the ex-NCR hit team can run round and blame it all on the NCR.
Anonymous
>>6248445 >>6248449 Honestly visiting on foot to Zion and Graham may be the best case.
Anonymous
>>6248449 >>6248455 Fly there, walk back?
>>6248452 That feels incredibly unwise, probably wiser to just convince him that we've neutered the bull without destroying it, which means the NCR isn't going to become complacent (which they definitely would if they didn't have an active threat).
Anonymous
>>6248457 Rather not risk the bird at all.
Anonymous
>>6248462 ...no offence Anon, that seems paranoid as hell.
Anonymous
>>6248462 Er, what exactly are you expecting to happen?
Even if Graham has the capabilities, I doubt he's going to destroy a lone vertibird without at least hearing out what they're there for. And I doubt another tribe took over Zion when nobody was looking.
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>>6248476 >>6248465 I fully expect it to be fired upon by raiders or other techno-barbarians of the wasteland, OR knowing our dice rolls. An issue on the flight/AA for some reason at the bunker before we can transmit the code.
Anonymous
>>6248397 >Not this again. You need to change the subject before he starts rambling about Hegel again. bahahaha!
>In the former state of Texas and Oklahoma is another one of those fucking Brotherhood of Steel chapters. nice
>They’re too focused on fighting some other faction up in the upper-Midwest to give us any issues. nice
>The Khans have set up some little kingdom in Wyoming but they’re still too busy huffing Brahmin shit to do much. nice
>Go, son, and do me proud. hahahaha!
>He hands you a Mark of Caesar, the same one you threw in the Colorado months ago. lmao
>>6248423 We are kind of investing a lot in the RMRP plan lately, how many rounds of it is ? We could go for restarting concrete production in Sloan and get something going in Nipton (resettling and creating work) ? Or investing in Bonnie Springs and helping Novac even. And Jacobstown, i am sure we can do something with the forest there still. Wood tools, furniture. I have also an entire list that only keeps growing of other things right here (collected from all anons and also some added by me) that we could do.
>>6247328 >>6248437 We have set up the legion for civil war, caesar purge will be difficult to go unnoticed no matter how calm and slow he will be. And that means.... we will need to deal less (not fully, don't relax just yet) with the Legion on our west frontier.
The heir thing could be an opportunity, but its a bit too wild to truly happen. Caesar would demand us to shed "weakness" or some such before being ever called his official heir, there is no way the rest of the Legion would follow a successor that doesn't have the same way/culture of Caesar.
Anonymous
>>6248515 >We are kind of investing a lot in the RMRP plan lately, how many rounds of it is? Stage 2 is made up of two parts, the first of which we've started: this first part calls for the expansion of food production. The second which calls for bringing the factories online is another 120,000. At least based on previous cost estimations, back when the plan started we didn't have the caravan company after all and that may reduce the costs - it will by no means totally eliminate them, especially since a fair bit of the cost is probably in finding appropriate salvage and people (+ training) to restore and run the factories.
After the second stage, we don't have cost estimates for the most part, though we know that the third stage calls for a rise in upkeep of around 50,000 caps per month, to provide services to the various communities in and around Vegas as well as Vegas itself.
TLDR - Another 120,000 caps (roughly) brings factories online, after that is a bit ????? for precise details.
Basically though, we should just throw the money at the thing because it needs to be done, the sooner it is the better and, of course, the more of Freeside we are employing to work, the more trade will be occuring and the less people that will die of starvation, etc, etc. Considering we just got 75,000 caps, minus 34,000 for purchases and expenses, that means we've just gotten 41,000. Basically a third of the cost of doing this for free / at random and that's not even touching on our turn's income or anything else.
It's also got the benefit of, since it is ran outside of actions, freeing up our Industrial / Other actions to pursue other opportunities that House didn't account for / focus on / consider. The production of entertainment media, tourist attractions and so on which lie outside of Stage 2-B's industrial restoration focus and 2-A's agricultural expansion focus.
Anonymous
Holy shit, can’t stop winning.
>>6247688 With the image you choose to post, i came to the terrible realization that with the cosmetic surgery given in events prior, it could very likely feminize someone if we demanded it.
Also, wonder if it could work on supermutants and ghouls? Maybe we could allow them to at least look more human-like? Probably won’t get nowhere near being able to make them look fully normal, but even If so, it might help with making Jacobstown seem less strange at an initial glance to visitors and lower the general xenophobia sorrounding Jacobstown.
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>>6248518 >it could very likely feminize someone if we demanded it. Damn so we aren't going to develop the Forced Estrogenic Virus?
>wonder if it could work on supermutants and ghouls? Supermutants...yes. They've sometimes got cybernetics so clearly alterations to their body don't get rejected by regeneration. Their tougher skin and resistance to drugs / chems might make surgery a lot harder to perform though...and no matter what, they're going to be huge and muscular, probably always going to be deep voiced too.
Ghouls meanwhile, I mean, maybe? Might honestly have a better time making fake-skin and fake-fat out of silicone, rubber and so on to inject/pour/mould/fill their damaged bits with...bio-med-gel might be able to restore or at least forestall further deterioration, though I'm not sure how sustainable / effective / safe it would be. Might be worth looking into med-gel baths or something if it does work and is reasonably fast acting - spend a hour or two in there every day for a month and come out the other end looking mostly alive with only the occasional top-up needed ideally. The answer though might lie in radiation rather than anything else for them, hard to say without further research.
Anonymous
>>6248516 So we have to do it at least another turn if not more, for satisfy anyone that want the second stage completed. Never mind anyone that wants to get right in to making the third stage. Too bad. Maybe something else can be done depending on how much money are available......
I feel like my list will just keep getting longer lol.
Anonymous
>>6248534 >So we have to do it at least another turn if not more I mean I wanted to start both at the same time, which we could have done, but people didn't vote for that plan. Also, it's not something that needs "another turn if not more" these are projects with timelines measuring into the months (unless given extra money/resources or attention / actions).
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>>6248537 i voted for that plan, but it didn't have enough traction in the end.
i know they have timelines, but it depends if people want to invest more actions in to them. I might not have been clear but i meant the actions used, like we use the next turns for it (which i would prefer we do something else instead, and let RMRP go on his own after we have put the 120k in to it). I know the RMRP will not be completed immediately regardless, but i recon others might want to put more than one turn action in to it.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 14:10:06 No. 6248584 Report Legion map with their largest cities on it.
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>>6248584 Huh, interesting. Not sure if they're comparable to the NCR, but they're actually larger than I expected. What does that yellow part in the Legion mean again?
Thank you Survivalist, appreciate all the effort you put into the quest.
Anonymous
>>6248584 First thing of note: "The Citadel" lies outside of the Legion's land but is significant enough to be marked onto the map...based on a bit of my own research, the location overlaps with the contents of Fallout: Tactics, so that'll be the Midwestern Brotherhood, whatever the outcome of that game was...
Threw together some guesswork for the NCR and BOS - though I admit that this is very much "worst case" for us and overblows the reach they've all realistically probably got - except for maybe the BOS in the midwest since their game stretches over a vast area and...frankly I don't have the energy to wiki-dive to try and determine what sort of area they might control beyond "they're strong enough Caesar's Legion marks them on their map" so it must be fairly big.
>>6248594 NCR is fairly big, seeing as they had settlers heading into the Baja peninsula and Klamath in the north of the known NCR-ish regions is pretty damn close to the border with Oregon.
Anonymous
>>6248596 >the location overlaps with the contents of Fallout: Tactics, so that'll be the Midwestern Brotherhood, whatever the outcome of that game was... Oh shit, you're right. Lawdy, I'm going to laugh so hard if Tactics ends up being canon. The Midwestern BoS would absolutely be the black sheep that the wider BoS never talks about.
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>>6248584 Found a nice map around
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 16:08:33 No. 6248613 Report >>6248612 Damn that's a really nice map. Remember, the map you have is pretty basic by design, meant for travelers as reference.
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>>6248613 That makes a lot of sense
Just looking around for see if a map was needed. Completely fine with those posted of course
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 16:11:20 No. 6248615 Report <span class="mu-s">EACH TURN IS ONE MONTH LONG NOW, PLAN ACCORDINGLY</span>
<span class="mu-s">THE SIZE OF YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS GROWN TO THE EXTENT THAT DEPARTMENTS ARE NOW USED TO ASSIST IN ACTIONS, NOT COMPANIONS. EACH DEPARTMENT HAS CERTAIN BONUSES THAT MAY BE IMPROVED OR ADDED</span>
New Vegas Region
Month 4
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Population (Rough Estimate): 69,000
Freeside/New Vegas/North Vegas: 66,000
Novac: 750
Goodsprings: 850
Jacobstown: 700
Primm: 2,000
Nellis: 1,000
New Vegas Outskirts: 2,500
Sloan: 300
Bonnie Springs: 500
Nipton: 0
Remaining population dispersed throughout region
New Vegas: Rebuilt Pre-War buildings, defensive wall, electricity, plumbing.
Freeside (INDEPENDENT): Sparse electricity. Pre-war ruins, pre-war buildings, shacks. Defensive wall. Basic sanitation.
Primm (UNCONTROLLED): Electricity. Intact pre-war buildings, pre-war ruins
Nipton: No plumbing, no electricity, damaged buildings and rubble
Goodsprings: Electricity, intact pre-war houses
Novac: Electricity, intact pre-war houses, defensive wall.
Camp McCarran: Intact pre-war building, military tents, electricity, plumbing, defensive wall, watch towers
Camp Golf: Intact pre-war building, military tents, electricity, plumbing, expansive training grounds
Economy
Tariffs: Low 5%(+90,000 caps/turn)
Sales tax: None (+0 caps/turn)
Casino Tribute: Intermediate (+50,000 caps/turn)
Additional Dam Income: (+50,000 caps/turn)
Upkeep: -94,000 caps/turn
Treasury: 269,000 caps (100 Gold Bars)
Food
Low (Rising)
Simple diet
While there are massive issues with food supply and accessibility, the worst may be over. With Westside’s cheaper imports and Gunderson’s cattle, Freeside has access to food and the increased trade in the city has filtered caps down to the poor.
Water
Average (Stable)
Mostly clean water from Lake Mead supplies Freeside, New Vegas, North Vegas
Medicine
Poor (Rising)
Scavenged industrial medicine, sparse home remedies. The Followers have begun manufacturing medicine on a small scale. The Freeside baths are contributing to cleaner streets. The repaired Auto-docs are contributing to a healthier Freeside.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 16:12:57 No. 6248616 Report <span class="mu-r">ALERTS</span>
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>>6248610 Honestly I'm more curious about the mention of a TEXAN Brotherhood...because that means the god damn "Fallout: BOS" is in this and that has a lot of implications - like Vault-Tec having their own non-Enclave post-war plans or the existence of Attis's Army (even if it is now likely defunct).
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 16:16:43 No. 6248618 Report Quoted By:
Longer turn means more time before I call it. Aiming for turns to be decided Thursday? Pastebin has had a lot of new stuff added to it, check it out.
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>>6248616 >COURIER ACTIONS 1) Meet with NCR businessmen.
2) Support the RMRP.
>COURIER DIPLOMACY Meet with our Council.
>MILITARY Accelerate recruitment of first infantry company.
>RESEARCH Continue research of the Boomer's Blight.
>INDUSTRIAL Support the RMRP.
>OTHER ACTION Support the RMRP.
>NON-ACTION DETAILS Begin RMRP Stage 2-B, allocating the 120,000 caps required for it.
>Explanation This plan is very simple: we throw everything at the RMRP we reasonably can for a turn and see what sticks. Does a month of 2 general actions + the Courier shave a significant amount off in terms of cost or time? Does it have positive benefits to the quality of industry produced? Shouldn't cost much either, though as I demonstrate below, that's not too much of an issue.
269,000 (Current Treasury) - 94,000 (Upkeep) - 120,000 (RMRP-2B) + 190,000 (Monthly Income) = 255,000 caps.
I am tempted to throw more money at the RMRP but I'd rather maintain our healthy cap reserve since our departments are likely to request further growth in their budget (which I think at least a few of them deserve - and a few deserve one-time payments for various projects (specifically the department of Tourism should probably get a flat-sum to do a bunch of new attractions)).
Beyond that, the usual: focus on diplomacy to keep the list of people we've got to speak to from growing, continue research so we can get some answers and, of course, try and accelerate the training of our first human soldiers so we can get them out protecting trade and defending settlements.
Anonymous
>>6248616 Courier Action:
>Begin a council meeting. >Meet with the NCR businessmen. >Begin creating a national identity for New Vegas. Have the Department of State help with meeting the businessmen.
And have the Postmaster General help us with that Courier Action boost with the national identity.
Industrial Actions:
>Begin Stage 2 of the RMRP. See if we can incorporate any of the abandoned industries we have to help create our own industrial sector. Get the Department of Energy to help with repairing and getting the factories set up, and the Department of Commerce to help manage our independent economy.
Research Action:
>Continue researching the fungus. >If nothing else can be researched, then begin cleaning up the corrupted data. Have the Department of Science and Technology, along with the Department of Health & Human Services help here.
We should try to find ways of getting rid of and protecting against that fungus. Since that's a zombie outbreak waiting to happen.
Military Action:
>Create a better police force, attempt to root out the organized crime. See if Kreger and/or the King (Departments of Defense and Urban Development respectively) can come to an agreement and begin policing better as well as root out the organized crime.
Other:
>Propose setting up a logging business in Jacobstown. Get the Department of the Interior to do this and provide the necessary caps for it.
Anonymous
>>6248635 Alternatively and adding in a bit more detail...
>COURIER ACTIONS 1) Meet with NCR businessmen, wine and dine them across the strip before taking them up via Vertibird, showing off the worksites of the RMRP, the dam, the expanding farms and then landing at Camp Golf for a drill parade by our new soldiers. Assisted by Department of State.
2) Support the RMRP through radio speeches, public appearances, examination of plans and so on - announce the cash prizes for those who stand out in their productivity, ingenuity, reliability or self-sacrifice. Assisted by Postmaster General.
>COURIER DIPLOMACY Meet with our Council.
>MILITARY Accelerate recruitment of first infantry company.
>RESEARCH Continue research of the Boomer's Blight. Involve Followers given the risk this potentially presents anywhere if it manages to spread beyond / exists outside of our lab samples.
>INDUSTRIAL Support the RMRP with a focus on developing Sloan and supporting facilities for RMRP-2B. Assisted by Department of Interior and Department of Energy.
>OTHER ACTION Support the RMRP with a focus on developing our Agriculture for RMRP-2A. Assisted by Department of Agriculture and Department of Commerce.
>NON-ACTION DETAILS Begin RMRP Stage 2-B, allocating the 120,000 caps required for it. A further 5,000 caps is to be given as a budget for rewarding, in 10, 25 or 50 cap amounts, to exceptional workers.
Basically the same as before just giving more details to try and increase likelihood of success as well as adding a 5,000 cap rewards budget to try and motivate our labourers to work much harder...hopefully.
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>>6248616 >Courier Action 1 - Hold Cabinet meeting >Courier Action 2 - Establish National Intelligence Agency primarily interview and select a director for the agency We need our own spooks not only to keep an eye on foreign enemies but also to watch our domestic situation, also I think having intelligence agents further destabilizing things in Legion territory could only serve to further our cause. Im one of the more Legion Simp anon’s on here but the longer Caesar is busy smashing up his own garden the longer it'll take for him to reconsider his relationship with us.
>Diplo Action - Meet with NCR businessman >Companion Actions >Boone - Conduct the interrogation of Headache >Raul & Veronica - Alongside the mechanics apprentices, Rauls trained to produce a prototype electric utility vehicle, focusing on ease of future manufacture and utilization of commonly available parts. >Cabinet Actions >Sec State - Participate in meeting with NCR businessman, supervise the establishment of the Legion Consulate in Boulder City >Sec Commerce - Participate in meeting with NCR businessman, prepare for trade meeting with Legion ambassador >Sec Defence - Focus on completing the training of the Infantry company, deploy securitron garrison to cottonwood cove, boulder city, and fortification hill establish securitron patrol route along the colorado despite the warming of our relations with Caesar the internal shakeup the Legion is about to undergo could lead to some chaos spilling over our border. Also if were going to move in the Legion Consulate to boulder city we need to be ready to provide security >Sec Science - Start recruiting a proper research team so Gannon isn't shouldering the whole burden of our national research himself >Sec Energy - Try to hire and train new energy technicians basically keep doing what you've been doing >Sec. Interior - Keep working on the RMRP >Sec. Agriculture - Investigate the feasibility of setting up fishing and farming operations on and alongside Lake Meade to open up new food sources for our population and provide further employment opportunities >Sec. HUD - Keep working on the RMRP and price out what it would cost for us to construct some state housing in freeside to improve standard of living >Sec. Health - Hire or train more doctors and medics >Sec. Tourism - keep working on increasing tourism from the NCR investigate what services we could offer to attract legion tourists >Sec. Transport - Investigate what it would cost to restore the rail line running from the NCR border crossing to Boulder city >Post - Establish a series of post offices throughout our controlled territory hire post masters and employ full time couriers TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS
TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 26 May 2025 18:13:09 No. 6248674 Report Quoted By:
>>6248664 Will make a note of this turn, it is more similar to Department Directives which are kinda background long-term missions of each department. That’s what the council meeting will be about if chosen as an action, updates on the directives issued two months ago (?).
Anonymous
Guys we need to meet with the council eitherway to get an upgrade on progress. We want to make SURE the plans and what not are going well + listen to there advice.
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>>6248616 >Courier - Council Meeting
- Create a law system
Postmaster General here. Department of Health & Human Services here.
>Courier Diplo - Talk with the NCR Businessmen (take in mind these are wolves like Heck. They ain't our friends...they just want to make money and grab land. Thats why we have to do a clear thing in Other...) Department of State here.
Department of Tourism and Entertainment here.
>Industrial - Begin the 2nd RMRP phase, invest 120k.
Department of Commerce here. Department of Agriculture here. Department of the Interior here.
>Military - Recruit and Train a Infantry company, at the new camp....Camp Rex ! (in honor of our dog, no more Camp Golf)
- Invest in the NVPD (we will give them leather armors, we have to make dog breeding in Novac later)
>Research - Arcade keeps researching the boomer crop fungus. Department of Science and Technology here
>Other - Have Boone lead the interrogation of Headache (leave him alive for later..)
- Earmark 40k to Bonnie Springs for create a new work activity in the settlement. Department of Housing here.
- Take 90 Securitrons from Freeside and then : deploy 30 at the new Camp Rex, deploy 30 in Primm and deploy 30 in Bonnie Springs. The security and presence of the Mojave Government needs to be felt and seen here. Bear Team One will be also deployed to Bonnie Springs as a reminder. Department of Defense here.
- Mr New Vegas : talk about the victory at Nipton and that the raider leader Headache will face public execution for his crimes, the new security across the wasteland, and the work of the government. The Mojave is prospering, but people shouldn't forget that the one that wants the Mojave to rise is only Courier Six and people with him. And no one can be on the way of Courier Six. So let it be know, the Courier has big plans for the Mojave and he will make them !
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Bonnie Springs is ours. We must act.
If we do not act, the NCR businessman coming here will think they can do whatever they want like Heck. Doing nothing will only damage our authority, act and show that Bonnie Springs is not forgotten. We have let Heck play too long there. This changes and it cannot be later on, unless we want a fortified company town.
In regard to the NVPD, they need funding. But they also need a law to follow. Right now they have some uniforms and maybe a few pistols.
Anonymous
>>6248615 Military
Training a troop for sure.
Industrial
I feel we should ensure we got people trained before making use of part 2 of the RMRP. If we got the workers then we got the factories to get repaired and can move a head. Granted the cost maybe accounting for that. So may as well pay up and start it.
Research
Let's keep looking into boomer fugis and hope it isn't vault 22.
Diplomatic
Loads to talk to and if needed I want to spend an action on it. NCR businesses, Marcus for black mountain and recruit people(mutants) we can use, interrogation Headache, the Enclave about making us of the airship for travel, the BoS about training people for caps, and the Secretarys.
While we're there talking to Marcus let's ask about setting up more lumber production. Maybe we can pay them and go into a state business.
COURIER ACTIONS
Check in on Bonnie Springs and the crime going on. If paying the 30000 cap would help, I say we start paying the cops upkeep.
Then if all the talks doesn't need the other. Let's make use of black mountain and have a message pay out to invite settlers and tourist for the casinos.
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>>6248617 I think QM did say he was taking some stuff from the Old World Blues mod for HoI4. It's been a while since I played it but I think the Texan Brotherhood in that is basically like Lyon's Brotherhood but Texan. Pic related is their Elder.
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Shit that needs to be done at some point soon:
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>>6248616 Courier Actions
>Travel to the Enclave bunker north of Vegas, check in on the tribes in Zion on the way. >Convene another Council meeting. Diplomacy Action
>Meet with the NCR Corpos. Assisted by the Departments of State and Commerce (Cass and Francine Garrett). Military Actions
>Begin recruitment and training of infantry at Camp Golf. >Begin paying the NVPD proper wages (20,000 Caps/month) to eliminate the patronage system they're currently under. With the rise in organized crime, we need to make sure the whole NVPD doesn't end up on some wannabe New Reno crime lord's payroll.
Research Actions
>Continue research into Outsider's Pox. Assign both Department of Science and Department of Health (Arcade and Julie Farkas) Other Actions
>Fund the second step of Stage 2 of the RMRP. >Have Boone investigate the organized crime in Freeside. >>6248751 Bonnie Springs is another victim of anons ignoring issues until the last minute. They voted to become company town, not much we can do at this point unless Gunderson starts mistreating them.
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>>6248806 Supporting this one as opposed to my own suggestion
>>6248664 Anonymous
>>6248635 I feel like we have too many fires to put out to be spending so many actions accelerating the RMRP. Time is going to pass more quickly now, so we should be focusing on stamping out seeds of future problems (like Heck's encroachment and the rise of organized crime), especially since the current phase of the RMRP is still underway in the background.
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>>6248817 I mean my plan attempts to meet the 1st, 3rd, 6th and 7th highlighted warning from
>>6248616 . Beyond those, the 6th and 2nd are either diplo actions for the courier or something we can direct the departments to handle whenever we're in our meeting with them.
I don't think confronting Heck will work and there's a point to be made that we don't really have a legitimate basis to confront him whenever we've no proof of wrong-doing. I would add as well, the sooner RMRP stage 2 is completed, the sooner non-Heck jobs near and in Bonnie Spring will start to appear. After all, it's a major centre of our agriculture, we're likely to build a dairy or meat packing plant or something there. If we do that, we can offer a local alternative to Heck for employment that will probably end up paying better.
As for the rise of organised crime, we don't exactly have a investigation department in our police force to try and figure out these gangs and cut out the leadership. My only real suggestion would be, short-term, to increase the number of officers to 800 and begin paying them proper wages (which with the increase would likely be around 32,000 caps) so they've more coverage and are harder to bribe. I did also consider having the Courier spend a month being Batman to deal with the issue but that didn't seem like a scalable response desu...
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>>6248616 >Courier Travel the region and help solve local problems, and begin creating a national identity for the region, and woo Westside, Bonnie Springs, and Nellis into the nation. Use Black Mountain in this effort. Aquire the Thorn. [Postmaster General]
Meet with the Cabinet.
Diplo the NCR business cabal, and see if you can increase the percentages the NCR is willing to pay for. [State]
>Military The creation of companies to relieve our Securitrons, raise a Militia Company in Bonnie Springs if feasible, devise a Vertibird Pilot Training Program. [Defense]
>Industrial Support the RMRP (with the intention of diversifying into Westside and Bonnie Spring to try and influence them into the fold) [Commerce, Interior, Transportation], earmark 40k into expanding our Leatherwork operations into Bonnie Springs [Agriculture].
>Research Complete current research projects (Securitron Repair, House’s Pod, the Boomer Blight) [Science], then focus on building up the R&D capacity by creating an education system [Health].
Check in with Big MT on their recent research.
>Other Expand the tourism net- use Black Mountain and the Postmaster General to create an ad campaign to drive up tourism, and have Sarah begin building up tourist hotspots and tourist traps within the region (Primm, Novac, the Rose, etc) [Tourism]
Direct [Energy] to acquire or subvert dam engineers in New Vegas’ employ.
Anonymous
These Breads have a Brazillian fucking posts but the Caesar exchange has me contemplating binge-reading this Qst.
Anonymous
>>6248753 I forgot the other action.
>>6248806 I'll back the actions, but missing Industrial. If people are willing, I say we have it be meet with Jacobstown and develop a proper forester jobs. Marcus wanted to use the Black mountain radio to recruit more mutants. I think we should set up something for proper cooperation with the mutants on a bigger level.
>>6248664 I like a lot of the Cabinet goals. For legion tourists I think we would want to build fighting arenas to hold tournaments, dojos, or the like to challenge and get the fighting spirit pumped.
We should have a Cabinet set up the dog breeding.
>>6248917 >Check in with Big MT on their recent research. Another group I wanted to talk to. I hope we can have other people teleport or talk with them in some way. We shouldn't have a think tank doing nothing.
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>>6248939 >If people are willing, I say we have it be meet with Jacobstown and develop a proper forester jobs. Marcus wanted to use the Black mountain radio to recruit more mutants. I think we should set up something for proper cooperation with the mutants on a bigger level. I'll support that. I didn't really know what to put in for industrial actions since we don't really have much in the way of industry yet.
Anonymous
>>6248939 For Industrial, what about starting to work on restoration of the coal mine across the river? It would provide a good number of jobs and be a nice export as well as having a lot of domestic use.
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>>6248953 We could hit up the mines after that. Since they would want wood or scrap to make supports.
In the past I was worried about the legion for that mine. It still could be worth making an outpost there. Just in case we need to attack that way.
>>6248934 I think the long term vision is up in the air with a mix of House's plan for Spaceflight. Rep wise we are idolized wild card with rep gains lately in NCR for water and the legion. Otherwise I think people are just buying into hopeful dream of a general better life.
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>>6248934 >What's the longterm vision for New Vegas as a nation? Hasn't seriously been defined yet (though that's on the to-do list), but it seems to vaguely be along the lines of creating a place that isn't authoritarian or corrupt or a shithole. It remains to be seen how plausible any of that will be.
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>>6248616 >CHICAGO Radioactive Niggers here we go
>captcha: H20PP yep it's time for the infestation
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>>6248806 i always wanted to help Bonnie Springs and i made options for send them money more than once (instead of doing options like wanting to building an embassy to a distant state, in the ruins of a settlement we have yet to resettle and rebuild like Boulder City. When we don't even have a proper government building for our departments).
We don't need a diviner, to understand this was one of the fakest votes in existance. It was more a not so subtle capitulation done by Heck, we very much know the people of Bonnie Springs didn't want this result but they had no other way because they all needed jobs.
We can do a lot. The Mojave is ours not his, we call the shots and we have more than enough money to spend alongside military force to spare. Doing nothing, is a good way for Heck and others to start treating the Mojave like its theirs. I really really don't want to give the impression to the coming NCR businessmen that they can just walk upon us like Heck just did, having no reaction at all about it will give that impression. It doesn't matter whatever little show we set up for them to see, they are not dumb, they are businessmen like Heck.
>>6248934 >What's the longterm vision for New Vegas as a nation? Avoid that the Mojave becomes a corrupt shithole, i don't have a preference i like the idea to grab what good there is from other government systems maybe. Not make their errors, make something new. I feel that's what this Courier Six would think in his mind, with the starting choices we have picked for define him.
>What are people buying into under our rule? Not being taxed to death by the NCR or enslaved by the Legion for starter. And a better tomorrow without starvation, being killed by raiders, fear of wildlife and what not. Beyond that we haven't give a clear direction beside a better Mojave with jobs, rebuilding etc.... We are the heir and successor of House, we claimed Vegas and all the Mojave and rule some parts of it. We are a benevolent ruler, caring even.
Anonymous
>>6249000 >we very much know the people of Bonnie Springs didn't want this result That's entirely speculation. We've no idea what Heck is like as a boss - it is entirely possible the vote did legitimately return him as the winning candidate because he gives good conditions and is personable with employees. It seems likely the vote is heavily biased but it is entirely probable he does genuinely have support from at least a large minority of his supposed constitutents.
>Doing nothing, is a good way for Heck and others to start treating the Mojave like its theirs. Doing something drastic is just as good a way for Heck and others to start treating us like a rabid dog and screw ourselves over. Frankly even if it WAS a sham election, it isn't like Heck needed their permission to declare himself head of the settlement anyway.
For one thing, it's not like he's usurped a position we've established and had rules against this sort of manipulation for. This was the action of a community, by a community and for the community, even if they were at economic gunpoint. Even if he did do it, we don't haven't got any oversight nor precedent for authority to interfere which means our interference would be extremely arbitrary, especially considering we already support the continued power of similarly unelected community leaders (e,g The King) who are arguably more concerning than a robber baron, given for all the good The Kings do, they are a gang.
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>>6249005 >That's entirely speculation This is what Jessica Thummond the representative that was chosen and sent by the people of Bonnie Springs to talk with us said in previous thread. And if they sent her ? It means she was chosen because she was someone their settlement majority agreed had their same issues in mind.
TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS (ID: Fpl5J7P5) 04/29/25(Tue)19:08:17 No.6231868▶
Jess: Well I suppose I’ll pick up from there since we’re located close. Since Heck Gunderson and his son have set up shop, a lot of people have moved into the run down town of Bonnie Springs, with a few others deciding to live in Goodsprings and stay in Bonnie Springs for the work week. Our biggest issue is that Heck wants to turn us into a sort of company town run by his ranch. We appreciate his employment but are worried about the overextending of his authority on us and would like to be absorbed into the New Vegas government. Our second biggest issue is that Bonnie Springs is in real rough shape. The buildings are close to falling apart, surrounding infrastructure is shot and if we don’t accept Heck’s offer, that’s all going to get worse. We’re good on food and water more or less, but there’s nothing else in the town. We would want more investment, help rebuilding and maybe some diversification in the local economy to stave off the Gunderson’s attempts to bring us into the fold. That’s it from my end.
What does this representative say as the biggest issue ? Heck wants to turn them in to a company town.
>Doing something drastic But it's not drastic.
Sending Securitrons and Bear Team One has a garrison and doing an investment in a settlement in a region we claimed are not even removing him from power, is establishing our authority again there. It's done for make is grip on the settlement weaker.
Anonymous
Drastic is seizing all his ranches and telling him at gunpoint that we rule Bonnie Springs. That's drastic. This ? This is a visible reminder that we exist and didn't ignore what he did, neither did forgot about Bonnie Springs.
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>>6249014 I'll be honest, I'm tired as fuck and had 0 memory of her. I'd repeat the rest of my argument as still standing though - we've no proof the vote was illegitimate, if the majority of the town are new employees and their families and they genuinely voted for him, then the existing residents are a bit screwed.
>But it's not drastic. It seems drastic to me to respond to this by sending military forces even if "just" as a garrison whenever the only way that can be taken is as a threat against someone who has at best done nothing wrong and at worst not done anything strictly illegal.
I do agree about making investments to counter his economic power but this is why I want to focus on the RMRP and getting it done as quickly as possible since it represents diversification of the economy and will make further economic actions easier, quicker and cheaper to perform. Once it's up and running, we can more easily out-grow Heck and his importance will be diminished without having to actually confront him which steps past the whole issue without creating any sour feelings.
Once it's done, we can construct a wool-works in Bonnie Springs to turn Bighorner wool (from non-Heck herds as well as his own to avoid him cutting off supply) into thread and fabric for sale in Vegas. Then we construct clothiers, turning the fabric into ready-for-sale clothes or bags. Lanolin from processing the wool can be turned into a varnish, makeup, lubricant, rust-proofing and a number of other purposes. The wool could also be turned, with nitric and sulphuric (sulfurous iron we have sources of!) acid, into guncotton for various uses. Guncotton can be made into celluloid - so now we've a place that can make photographs and through celluloid, various forms of plastic. If we mandate the collection of urea from the various ranches (say by pipes from their cattle sheds) then we can produce volumes of nitrous fertilizer, dish soap (a conventional soapworks for animal fat use would be good too), yet again cosmetics, to make formaldehyde-based resins, and again with nitric acid - urea nitrate, a high explosive.
The investments we can make right now are overshadowed by our limited budget and the high cost of construction materials / economic under-development. The RMRP represents a pathway to resolve these issues, making any confrontation with Heck easier if we even need to confront him at all after finishing the plan and is arguably the single highest priority action we can have since it represents a path to make everything we can currently do cheaper and everything we currently can't do easier.
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>>6249016 >>6249019 Look, no shows of force or free rein, we should just sit down with Heck and hash out exactly what the limits of his power will be. Honeymoon phase is over, now we need to convert our deal with him into a proper contract that can be held against him when he gets up to his old tricks. He is absolutely making bank off of us no matter what he says, and we need to establish boundaries before we become his personal fief.
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>>6249025 Not the worst idea, honestly. That's probably the best way to deal with a man like Heck.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:LeRaS/iS Tue 27 May 2025 11:06:37 No. 6249034 Report >>6248934 >brazilion posts Id say just skip through and read the all story posts but the back and forth with the characters is all part of this great, wonderful story. Maybe it helps if you consider everyone here different splits of the Courier’s personality all battling for their time in the limelight
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>>6249025 That'd work too. I mean worst comes to worst, we can just introduce an acreage tax for all farms above [20% above average size] that's meant to pay for the recruitment of infantry companies to defend farms and trade. Just so happens cattle pay twice as much, since they're more at risk of being stolen or attacked by raiders or predators than a field of corn, a terrible shame for Mr Gunderson that he has so much land and so much cattle.
>>6249034 >all battling for their time in the limelight Universal Cosmetic Surgery, Cybernetic Augmentations, Non-Addictive In-Body Drug Synthesis, VR Edu-Tainment, Zeta Radiation Purification Therapy, Electro-Stimulus Muscular Therapy, Mental Function Enhancement by Light, Skeletal Adamantine Reinforcement, Para-Ghoulification-!
You know, normal things.
Anonymous
>>6248616 Okay, here's my bid at a plan.
>Courier actions Begin a council meeting
Begin creating a code of law
Assistance from the Postmaster General and the Secretary of Health
Diplomacy: Meet with Heck to establish the boundaries on his influence.
Assistance from the Secretaries of State and Commerce.
Yes, I'm ignoring the NCR businessmen for now, because my crystal ball tells me they've seen the lax approach we've taken with Heck and want in on the action.
Also, am I the only one that's bothered by having to spend an action on a council report? Seems like the sort of thing that would kick off a turn instead of having to wait until you've already voted. >Industrial action Continue the RMRP, investing the requisite 120k caps.
Assistance from the Secretaries of Agriculture, Transportation, and the Interior.
>Military actions Provide proper wages for the NVPD and eliminate the patronage system they're using.
Coordinate the NVPD with the Kings to stamp out the organized crime in Freeside
If we can do it concurrently, recruit and train an infantry company at Camp Golf
Assistance from the secretaries of Defense and Housing (mostly because that's the King)
Yes, the Kings are just a gang, but they have a close relationship with Freeside that we could leverage to more easily identify the criminals and deal with the locals.
>Research action Continue research of the crop fungus
Assistance from the Secretary of Science
>Other actions Have Boone interrogate Headache (doubt it will reveal anything we didn't guess at, but best to be sure)
Send somebody (ED-E?) to observe Bonnie Springs and quietly assess what the populace thinks of Heck and being a company town.
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>>6248650 Question to Anons: if I added "80,000 caps to construct 4 leather workshops in Bonnie Springs" to this, would that budge anyone towards supporting it? Same goes for if I redirected the Military Action to trying to train up the police (and providing the 20,000 caps they need to reduce corruption) to better deal with the new threat of organised crime...?
It'd admittedly raise the caps consumed by the plan to 225,000; that'd leave 230,000 next turn to work with.
>>6249044 Yeah, it does seem a tiny bit weird that we need to spend an action to meet with our Council whenever, you know, we're dealing with a month-long turn and all. I mean I guess it's not like we've a proper headquarters to meet in, so maybe they're all scattered across the region most of the month making a meetup difficult but still...
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:LeRaS/iS Tue 27 May 2025 12:02:41 No. 6249050 Report Quoted By:
>>6249044 >council meeting Come on anon, everyone knows sitting in useless meetings that could have been an email is 90% of governance!
But duly noted, maybe I’ll play around with a more informal Council Update at the start of every turn going forward. To be fair, the departments are just now being fully fleshed out after months of finding proper personnel
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>>6248616 Changing my vote here
>>6248638 to support
>>6249044 , since it's basically what I've been going for except for not meeting the businessmen.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:LeRaS/iS Tue 27 May 2025 14:33:08 No. 6249088 Report Quoted By:
Happy Tuesday to all of you hard workers out there in the Wasteland. This is your humble radio host Mr. New Vegas with a few updates about this wild wasteland of ours.
Bonnie Springs, a formerly abandoned town near Goodsprings, has formally voted to be absorbed into Heck Gunderson’s growing Brahmin empire. They have also sent out advertisements promising a bed, three meals a day and steady work. Doesn’t sound like a bad deal to me!
Up next, the radio array at Black Mountain has been repaired through a joint effort of the Followers and the Brotherhood of Steel, able to broadcast over vast parts of the wasteland now. I for one am excited for every corner to one day hear the honeyed words of your dear host, Mr. New Vegas.
Also, the Mojave Government has announced Stage 2A of their “Revised Mojave Rehabilitation Plan” which calls for the construction of more farms and ranches. I applaud the Courier’s effort to keep those bellies fed even if the stink of Brahmin droppings makes me queasy.
Finally, let’s end on a high note. The Strip Theater is hosting a grand-opening next week, inviting many of the most affluent in the region for a showing of the musical “ Walking the Wastes” which is a satirical take on our dear Courier Six’s travels. The Strip Theater plans to show everything from opera and orchestra to pre and post war films. I know where I’m taking my better half this weekend. Oh, just kidding New Vegas. You know you’re my one and only.
That’s all I have for now, folks. But remember, anything’s possible in the Mojave!
https://youtu.be/EPT_RjpVuv8?si=zFLPpcAirUbElUmR Anonymous
>>6249019 Honestly? I think we could diversify some of it right now by creating a local militia to protect local trade and give them another employment option (as well as free up our Securitrons), and expanding our Leather operations directly there with Ted acting as the spoiler from any opposition from Heck. Keep in mind, we do need to increase our leather armor production anyway- why not potentially make it cheaper while also providing a local benefit?
>>6249047 Switch police to local militia to protect trade and I’d support it.
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>>6249092 I don't see a reason to stand up any militia formations when we'd be standing them down a few turns later as infantry start coming to replace them.
In an attempt to create jobs, limit Heck and protect settlements and trade (and expanding the official reach/power of our government) we might want to look into establishing local constabularies for our various non-Vegas settlements...500 for 66000 in Freeside, so 1 per 132 currently. Assuming we kept that ratio, rounding up as we go: 6 in Novac, 7 in Goodsprings, 6 in Jacobstown, 16 in Primm- okay QM hasn't corrected our total population stat in a bit it'd seem -8 in Nellis, 19 for the Vegas Outskirts, 3 for Sloan and 4 in Bonnie Springs. A total of 69 (nice) new Police Officers across the region. Call it 70 and throw the extra one at Bonnie Springs given it's presumably about to grow quite a bit...kinda want to recruit another 30 to make it a nice and round hundred but to the nearest 10 will
Also, correcting our Total Population we are presently at 73900 people based on settlements, call it 74,000 to 75,000 to account for stragglers, homesteaders and vagrants. Throwing 73900 through gets us 560 police officers after rounding up (since it ain't rounding up at each settlement). 60 officers is probably actually more than enough considering there's not as much crime out there compared to Freeside. Could, again, make it an even round hundred by forming some 40-man unit of some kind...I suppose we need to start work on eliminating our own organised crime (and stuff that can't be solved by beat cops, at least not easily), so maybe some investigative officers / detectives?
Autist Anon
Could we use these death claws for some sort of experiment or as a weapon or something? maybe a zone of no entry?
https://youtu.be/Wc2jkWYkiMo?si=O8mUFDAHg39cWxQ2 Anonymous
>>6249101 I don’t really see us ‘standing the militia down’ as opposed to transitioning them to a National Guard system, to be activated in times of emergency.
If you wanna add a sheriff to Bonnie Spring, I’d be fine with it, but the core point is that a sheriff can be bribed with ease, while a militia company with a Securitron backbone is much harder for Heck to control, given we’re paying the upkeep to effectively arm the locals against Heck’s excesses in power.
As for organized crime? I do feel that driving economic activity and eliminating the patronage system would largely let the system solve itself with time, those outsourcing some experienced investigators initially would probably help with the teething issues in the NVPD.
>>6249103 I mean, we do have an Enclave scientist or two on payroll…
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>>6249101 >constabularies For sure I can see getting some police stations out there.
>>6249104 >patronage system paying the police would help.
>>6249104 >>6249101 At the moment with mainly robots as troops. I think it'd be better just to train proper troops and station them. We can have then thin the wild life and recon were they are placed. Then when we are thinking of mobilizing them. We can have some militants stick around.
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>>6249104 >I don’t really see us ‘standing the militia down’ as opposed to transitioning them to a National Guard system, to be activated in times of emergency. Because they're going to cost us money, be less effective in combat than infantry, consume equipment that the infantry need (we only get so many rifles per month - armour too) and because of all the other reasons we went with infantry over the national guard system.
>but the core point is that a sheriff can be bribed with ease, I have my doubts he would do something so stupid but f we get to the point where Heck is bribing our people, the situation has already gotten to the point where we're not going to be resolving things diplomatically.
>while a militia company with a Securitron backbone is much harder for Heck to control, given we’re paying the upkeep to effectively arm the locals against Heck’s excesses in power. "Hey Courier, why have you stationed 200 militiamen in my town of only 500 people?" - "To arm the locals against you :)"
Seriously though, it seems like a overreaction and just a bad move in general.
>As for organized crime? I do feel that driving economic activity Economic growth won't eliminate racketeering. If it did the 1920s would've been a very different era. If anything economic growth will just make the gangs even more able to extract wealth encouraging them.
>eliminating the patronage system would largely let the system solve itself with time I believe the issue is less our cops being corrupt or not and more them not having the skills to deal with what is cropping up. Could be wrong though.
>those outsourcing some experienced investigators initially would probably help with the teething issues in the NVPD. Yep.
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>>6248638 I'd support this, but add giving Bonnie Springs more money for jobs and undermine the influence of Heck there by putting trusted men and/or Securitrons to help us there.
>>6248806 This is alright, but I don't trust Boone to look into this. I just feel like he might show leniency for the criminals if they're NCR citizens, and I don't know how well he'd work with the King's interests.
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>>6249112 >Because they're going to cost us money, be less effective in combat than infantry, consume equipment that the infantry need (we only get so many rifles per month - armour too) and because of all the other reasons we went with infantry over the national guard system. Yes- that is rather the point. Offering different employment while limiting Heck’s local influence and keeping the locals safe but not to an infantry standard to avoid a larger security concern.
It’s a process, not the endgame, and the money goes towards local security and diversifying the economy of Bonnie Spring. Just because we’d want to replace the militia to an infantry standard doesn’t mean that we have no need for security and enforcement in the interim.
>I have my doubts he would do something so stupid but f we get to the point where Heck is bribing our people, the situation has already gotten to the point where we're not going to be resolving things diplomatically. Heck already bribed Bonnie Springs, instituting an outside lawman to patrol them is only going to drive them further into Heck’s arms. Besides, what are we going to do if he bribes him, cut out the heart of our agriculture industry? Don’t be absurd.
>"Hey Courier, why have you stationed 200 militiamen in my town of only 500 people?" - "To arm the locals against you :)" Really ignoring my point about freeing up our Securitrons and protecting local trade routes? Lmao
>Seriously though, it seems like an overreaction and just a bad move in general. No, the overreaction is trying to institute an Infantry Company in Bonnie Springs as an occupying force. The militia is a middle ground with plausible deniability in freeing up local Securitron assets and still having them work on Heck’s plantation when they’re not guarding his land. The point is to mitigate his influence, not usurp it in the interim.
>Economic growth won't eliminate racketeering No, but the point is to diminish racketeering in the short term as people’s sole source of income, which will help.
>I believe the issue is less our cops being corrupt or not and more them not having the skills to deal with what is cropping up. Could be wrong though. When the King is irritated by competition taking up his ‘market share’, it’s less a skill issue and more a priority and focus issue. Remember, we ain’t paying them, so they do have to procure other sources of income, and that plus deterring overt crimes via patrols eats away at time spent cracking down and investigating more organized crime.
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Haven't caught up to the quest yet, but I'm gonna throw my hat in the ring too.
>>6248616 >Courier Actions Council meeting.
Talk with the Families.
Talk with Heck.
Adding families to make sure our elites can defend against their elites. >Industry Continue supporting RMRP. Focus on factory building and making stuff there.
I also wanna see if we can start a logging industry in Jacobstown too. Maybe we can add it to the RMRP?
>Research Look into the funny boomer fungus. Make sure we can get protection from it.
>Military Have the King and the NVPD work together to get rid of organized crime. Give them the money they need to tear down the emerging criminal rings.
>Other Interrogate then execute Headache.
Look into tourism stuff for both Legion and NCR tourists.
That thing about the departments is a bit confusing to me, so I'll leave it to other anons.
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>>6249047 Right now my concern is getting Heck and the organized crime sorted immediately and decisively, because they will become serious problems if we put them off. I want the fungus addressed too, but everyone already seems to agree on that point.
Everything else can be put off a little longer if necessary.
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>>6249122 >I'd support this, but add giving Bonnie Springs more money for jobs and undermine the influence of Heck there by putting trusted men and/or Securitrons to help us there. I'm perfectly fine with you adding in there and supporting that vote if you wish, anon.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:LeRaS/iS Tue 27 May 2025 22:12:20 No. 6249231 Report Quoted By:
Going to call votes tomorrow, have two more posts before then. We’ll see if I get around them.
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>>6249122 >but add giving Bonnie Springs more money for jobs and undermine the influence of Heck there by putting trusted men and/or Securitrons to help us there. This is like delivering medicine after the funeral. Bonnie Springs is a company town now, and unless we want to get into open conflict with Heck it's going to stay that way.
Better to negotiate a clear definition of his power and act to prevent it from happening again. Maybe over time we can chip away at his influence there, but that's going to be a long-term goal if it happens at all.
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>>6248616 For Nipton, I wonder if we could influence NCR people to come settle in. I will probably want to fix some thing up, but it could get us some trained people or at least some fresh people with a dream.
I was thinking for ORGANIZED CRIME we could do the same idea with outsourcing
>>6249104 . Hire investigators retiring to train or offer some people a chance to make there PI business.
>>6249122 We shouldn't just throw money at things. We need to line up stable jobs for the people. I do agree we need more government over sight. We could have the secretaries line up some offices in the towns. The Securitrons could work as well since Yes Man can see viva them or even us if we plug in.
>>6249154 The families could help fight in a way. I like where you head is going with that.
I think for the most part the NCR businesses could be nice for quick gains, but it would hurt Vegas in a way. Maybe if we make a OSHA with teeth we could keep harm to the people down. Also limit what area they can work. Gunderson is a weird case, but I don't want us to let all the factories go to third parties. We should keep key items under our control, if we can.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Wed 28 May 2025 00:42:45 No. 6249274 Report Quoted By:
<span class="mu-i">Meanwhile in New Rome</span>…..
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>>6249126 >Yes- that is rather the point. Alternatively compared to your absolute waste of money we could set up leather workshops that are actually useful long-term, generate a profit and provide alternative employment while NOT antagonizing him?
>Just because we’d want to replace the militia to an infantry standard doesn’t mean that we have no need for security and enforcement in the interim Our present forces are entirely suitable for the total security requirements we presently have.
>Heck already bribed Bonnie Springs No, he didn't. Again we have 0 proof that the election was rigged or that he forced them to vote for him - we only have the entirely reasonable concerns of the long-term residents of Bonnie Springs that Heck was going to try and make them a company town by making his businesses the keystone of the whole place.
>Really ignoring my point about freeing up our Securitrons and protecting local trade routes? Lmao Really ignoring that we can recruit infantry to do the job better, LMAO. Also, 0 fucking mention of that in your post.
>No, the overreaction is trying to institute an Infantry Company in Bonnie Springs as an occupying force. The militia is a middle ground with plausible deniability in freeing up local Securitron assets and still having them work on Heck’s plantation when they’re not guarding his land. Except militia are literally the worst for that because, being militia, they aren't full-time soldiers meaning we're getting a lot less patrolling for each company raised. For one thing, the smallest unit they can be deployed in is the platoon compared to the squad, so we can't even divide them up between tasks as efficiently - and that'll reflect in their ability to escort trade and otherwise patrol.
>The point is to mitigate his influence, not usurp it in the interim. Okay, so rather than deploying a entirely new military unit solely to his town which he has to see as an attack on him given the timing of it and nature of it, we build businesses in the area to absorb his workers if we're not willing to wait a bit.
>No, but the point is to diminish racketeering in the short term as people’s sole source of income, which will help. That's utterly retarded. If I am a gangster and making a good income by threatening people, why would I stop doing that because I can get a 9-to-5 that pays similarly (at best) whenever I can just intimidate even more out of the growing economy? It's retarded.
>it’s less a skill issue and more a priority and focus issue I disagree and don't think there's much if any proof of this. If they were taking new bribes that were causing them to fail in their duty, it'd be the priority over just being informed that organised crime is starting to creep in.
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>>6249227 Fair enough, I can see how those problems could become much worse if left untreated but I consider my priorities entirely reasonable. Not like my turn seems at all likely to win so it's a bit of a mote point to argue over anyway...I just think people are underestimating how much of a priority the RMRP really is in terms of getting things rolling in various areas. The ability to produce power tools would help construction, extraction and manufacturing industries - chainsaws, jackhammers, buzzsaws and so on saving a lot of manhours after all. Cost reduction, productivity boost - and that's not even considering the ability to produce parts for things like sowing machines (both the agricultural and fabric kinds) and other machines. Heck, the factory might even be suitable for producing at least some lathes, mills and other manufacturing equipment at which point the H&H tools factory represents our whole industrial future since it would let us produce the industry to produce the industry for whatever it is we design or want to restore.
Then there's the economic benefits of establishing these things in terms of caps - but arguably even more importantly - in terms of enabling our people to start doing their own economic projects. If we can begin producing new machine parts and tools, that means our people can get the things they need for their own purposes rather than relying on scavenging or imports from the NCR that most of them can't afford. An easy way to undermine tycoons like Heck is to make it easier for the average person to exploit business opportunities that they can see after all.
This isn't even considering the RMRP as a priority for the military - producing steel for the Gun Runners to produce guns for us at a lower cost and possibly in greater quantity (and quality), especially if the H&H can produce replacement parts or even wholesale new machines for them to use. Then there's the potential to produce Protectrons, Securitrons and other robotics - even a single Securitron a month would represent a third of a infantry company in terms of fighting power while requiring no caps in payment and being capable of being restored from damage to fight all over again.
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>>6249342 >even a single Securitron a month would represent a third of a infantry company in terms of fighting power Per year - each Securitron can fight NCR infantry 10 to 1; our infantry can fight 2 to 1; 12 per year at 5x effectiveness = 60 of our infantry in equivalent combat power. Sorry, still waking up.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Wed 28 May 2025 14:21:26 No. 6249494 Report Here are a list of government and enclave facilities in Nevada and Utah. California and Arizona are considered to be firmly entrenched in NCR/Legion authority and therefore can’t just fly over and start looking around. Can provide other states if requested but really no reason to look beyond these two states for now. >Creech AFB, Indian Springs NV >Naval Air Station Fallon, Fallon NV >Area 51 Testing Grounds, Nevada Testing Grounds NV >Enclave FOB Groom Lake, Groom Lake NV >Hawthorne Joint Storage Facility, Hawthorne NV >CBRN Training Camp Currie, Currie NV >Vertibird Refueling Station V-B4503 Ely NV >Fort Liberation Nuclear Defense Range, Toiyabe Range NV >Eureka Detention Facility, Eureka NV >Ruby Dome Bunker Complex, Ruby NV >Camp Williams, Eagle Mountain, UT >Dugway Proving Ground, Dugway UT >Escalante Special Warfare Depot, Escalante UT >Hill AFB, Ogden UT >Tooele Army Depot, Tooele, UT >Utah Test and Training Range, UT >Joint Warfare Diagnostics Facility, Green River UT >Fort Youngkin, Yost UT >Naghavi Advanced Materials Testing Lab, Moab UT >Abajo Long-Range Telecommunications Aray, Monticello UT >Enclave FOB Desolation, Aneth UT
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Wed 28 May 2025 15:11:37 No. 6249510 Report Quoted By:
Below are the enclave and federal facilities in Nevada and Utah. They are all within a day’s flight from New Vegas by Vertibird. California and Arizona are too entrenched in Legion power to consider them accessible without permission. Can include other states in request but unless you’re looking for a specific installation, no reason for anything other than these right now.>Creech AFB, Indian Springs NV >Naval Air Station Fallon, Fallon NV >Area 51 Testing Grounds, Nevada Testing Grounds NV >Enclave FOB Groom Lake, Groom Lake NV >Hawthorne Joint Storage Facility, Hawthorne NV >CBRN Training Camp Currie, Currie NV >Vertibird Refueling Station V-B4503 Ely NV >Fort Liberation Nuclear Defense Range, Toiyabe Range NV >Eureka Detention Facility, Eureka NV >Ruby Dome Bunker Complex, Ruby NV >Camp Williams, Eagle Mountain, UT >Dugway Proving Ground, Dugway UT >Escalante Special Warfare Depot, Escalante UT >Hill AFB, Ogden UT >Tooele Army Depot, Tooele, UT >Utah Test and Training Range, UT >Joint Warfare Diagnostics Facility, Green River UT >Fort Youngkin, Yost UT >Naghavi Advanced Materials Testing Lab, Moab UT >Abajo Long-Range Telecommunications Array, Monticello UT >Enclave FOB Desolation, Aneth UT
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>>6249494 >Can provide other states if requested but really no reason to look beyond these two states for now. Idaho and Oregon would be good too, Oregon especially since we might want to make sure we grab anything there before the NCR has a chance to (unlikely as it is they will...)
>Each location is within a day’s flight. Well, supposing we spend 48 hours at each site (e,g flying there and back plus time on the ground) in a month we can hit 14 locations. 48 hours for some of these places is almost certainly too little, but equally, I imagine at least one or two of these (a Nuclear Defence Range for example) got destroyed in the Great War.
Priority items as I see it, roughly in order of priority:
>Vertibird Refueling Station V-B4503 Ely NV >Creech AFB, Indian Springs NV >Hill AFB, Ogden UT >Naval Air Station Fallon, Fallon NV >Escalante Special Warfare Depot, Escalante UT >Tooele Army Depot, Tooele, UT >Hawthorne Joint Storage Facility, Hawthorne NV >Camp Williams, Eagle Mountain, UT >Fort Youngkin, Yost UT These items are, simply put, locations that are stockpiles of vehicles and equipment over anything else. Proven pre-war technology and plenty of it. These are more useful to us as it stands than any number of wonder weapons, because there ought to be enough here to actually equip an army. Aircraft are top priority to expand beyond a single Vertibird - . After that, specialist pre-war warfare gear is great, night vision alone would be a huge help for our infantry. Then, whatever we can get - bullets, bombs, guns and kevlar, it's all free and it's all good.
>Enclave FOB Desolation, Aneth UT >Ruby Dome Bunker Complex, Ruby NV >Enclave FOB Groom Lake, Groom Lake NV These three are most interesting but I'd assume most likely to be occupied out of all of them given it specifically is a FOB and a Bunker Complex, not just a depot of munitions or pre-war research. Risky to approach without more information but if they're untouched, likely to have a lot of good shit to work with.
>Eureka Detention Facility, Eureka NV Very curious what we'd find here. Enclave criminals? PoWs from the NCR, BOS and Legion? Pre-War prisoners?
>Abajo Long-Range Telecommunications Aray, Monticello UT Black Mountain 2: Electric Boogaloo - good for monitoring communications and spreading our message - decent chance it's still occupied. Might enable communication with satellites?
>Assorted research facilities Potentially very valuable but unless the research was finished, we've not exactly got the resources to pursue it ourselves right now - advanced materials for example runs into the problem we don't even have the ability to produce fairly basic ones right now.
>Fort Liberation Nuclear Defense Range, Toiyabe Range NV I've no idea what we'd be able to find here beyond very powerful computers and anti-ICBM defences (assuming they weren't relying on missiles and emptied their silos) so I don't think it's a priority compared to the rest.
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>>6249336 >Alternatively compared to your absolute waste of money we could set up leather workshops that are actually useful long-term, generate a profit and provide alternative employment while NOT antagonizing him? You must’ve ignored my vote for an expansion of the Leatherworks into Bonnie Spring in favor of hyperfixating on the militia thing, and the whole point of the militia is to generate soft power over Bonnie via employment while trying to recuperate our stretched thin Securitron forces.
Besides, I don’t think instituting a militia would necessarily antagonize him, considering his son is apart of our government and by delegating some security onto his employees he’ll think he’ll have greater influence over the local situation.
>Our present forces are entirely suitable for the total security requirements we presently have. Sure, but the point is to compete with Heck with soft power, which is what providing alternative employment entails, such as the militia company and the leather works as a start.
>Again we have 0 proof that the election was rigged or that he forced them to vote for him - we only have the entirely reasonable concerns of the long-term residents of Bonnie Springs that Heck was going to try and make them a company town by making his businesses the keystone of the whole place. Yes- bribery via employment. I’m not being literal here, and the whole point of New Vegas paying for security is to diversify the labor market there. I don’t mention the leatherworks since we seem to be in agreement there
>Really ignoring that we can recruit infantry to do the job better, LMAO. The whole point is to employ Heck’s hands part-time instead of full time, to avoid being seen as an occupying force. We can institute an infantry company after we secure Bonnie Spring into our sphere of influence.
>Also, 0 fucking mention of that in your post My original post was wiped and I was tired, so I may have forgotten to include it in the 2nd post, my bad
>being militia, they aren't full-time soldiers meaning we're getting a lot less patrolling for each company raised While true, the whole point of the militia isn’t to project hard power into trade routes, but soft power in Bonnie Springs. You also forget that we have a bigger portion of our Securitrons dedicated to protecting Gunderson land as apart of our agreement, and freeing that up would improve our ability to escort trade and patrol.
>Okay, so rather than deploying a entirely new military unit solely to his town which he has to see as an attack on him given the timing of it and nature of it, we build businesses in the area to absorb his workers if we're not willing to wait a bit Anon, the whole point of the militia isn’t to to employ the locals against bandit attacks- I don’t think Heck will see it as an attack on him, especially considering we’re business partners (of a sort) and we have his son working under us. And again, I agree with supporting local businesses.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Wed 28 May 2025 18:13:01 No. 6249572 Report >>6249044 Two votes
>>6248806 Three votes
A little scattered today but that seems to be the two with support. Feel free to throw support behind another or flag something I missed. Calling it tomorrow morning.
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>>6249336 >That's utterly retarded. If I am a gangster and making a good income by threatening people, why would I stop doing that because I can get a 9-to-5 that pays similarly (at best) whenever I can just intimidate even more out of the growing economy? You ever read Gang Leader for a Day? The gangsters were losing manpower to fucking McDonalds because being a fry cook payed better with less risk compared to being a drug dealer after the gang leaders took their cut of the profits. And this would be in conjunction with freeing up the NVPD to actually go after organized crime.
>I disagree and don't think there's much if any proof of this. If they were taking new bribes that were causing them to fail in their duty, it'd be the priority over just being informed that organised crime is starting to creep in. >The former gang members themselves say they are unable to tackle the problem while conducting normal day-to-day operations in Freeside Keep in mind, normal day-to-day operations is patrolling to deter base violence and their own racketeering to feed and clothe themselves. It’s not them failing in their duty, it’s them being stretched thin by trying to support themselves instead of focusing on tackling other policing projects.
>>6249342 It ain’t that we’re under estimating the RMRP, it’s that we want to tackle the other problems in the meantime. We already have 4-5 Departments already dedicated to implementing the plan, we can focus on other pressing problem in the interim.
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>>6249569 >You must’ve ignored my vote for an expansion of the Leatherworks into Bonnie Spring in favor of hyperfixating on the militia Not mentioned at any point in conversation with me that I can remember, looking up-thread - didn't realize that was your plan, so not hyperfixating - fixating on only the stuff that had actually been made part of the discussion.
>the whole point of the militia is to generate soft power over Bonnie via employment I get that and I just don't think it does that well. More leatherworks or other economic investments just make more sense. <- ##
>while trying to recuperate our stretched thin Securitron forces. Our forces aren't stretched that thin and even if they were, we're a turn or two out from having our first infantry company and we could immediately begin recruitment on another at any point.
>Besides, I don’t think instituting a militia would necessarily antagonize him I mean I think it would because either he'd be the only guy receiving one and specifically after making himself mayor despite being in one of the safest settlements going by geography / location in our country or we're dividing it out amongst the settlements at which point the 200 man unit gets cut down into penny-packet units which dilutes whatever soft power and employment it might represent in Bonnie Springs significantly.
>considering his son is apart of our government and by delegating some security onto his employees he’ll think he’ll have greater influence over the local situation. Because he probably would, to be frank. If we're worried about corruption in the NVPD who are actually vetted and trusted fairly highly and all, we can expect all that and worse from Heck's workers-turned-militia if he leans on them.
>Sure, but the point is to compete with Heck with soft power, which is what providing alternative employment entails, such as the militia company and the leather works as a start. See ##.
>Yes - bribery via employment Fair enough.
>The whole point is to employ Heck’s hands part-time instead of full time, to avoid being seen as an occupying force. We're still establishing a large military force in "his" backyard.
>We can institute an infantry company after we secure Bonnie Spring into our sphere of influence. Except that's a non-issue. It's already in our sphere of influence, already petitioned to be absorbed into our government and that's that - a terrible shame that Heck's position gets dissolved of basically all power the moment we accept the previous Bonnie Springs representative's request to be absorbed into our government.
>My original post was wiped Fair enough.
>While true, the whole point of the militia isn’t to project hard power into trade routes, but soft power in Bonnie Springs. You can either have the trade route defence be a point in favour of spending caps or you can deny their ineffectiveness at it being unimportant to the plan - you can't do both.
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>>6249579 >You also forget that we have a bigger portion of our Securitrons dedicated to protecting Gunderson land Out of 759 functional Securitrons, right now...okay QM, the pastebin lists 771 assigned to garrison duties, so that's clearly wrong. Anyway, point is Anon the vast majority of our Securitrons are tied up in the Strip or Freeside (486 total), the Dam (100) or various settlements (??? given issue with pastebin numbers). The land gunderson has does not demand that much attention from us at least on a constant basis, thanks to the extensive efforts we've undertaken to eliminate raiders and wildlife threats.
>Anon, the whole point of the militia isn’t to to employ the locals against bandit attacks If we don't intend to actually use them for any military purpose, just invest the caps into more leather business - again - see ##.
>>6249573 >You ever read Gang Leader for a Day? Never even heard of it.
>The gangsters were losing manpower...payed better...less risk Okay but then we come to the questions that matter - how much can they extort, how much do we pay and most important of all, how much danger are they in? Most of the jobs we're making right now are back-breaking labour in the Nevada heat, dry heat though it may be and I doubt we're paying people insanely huge amounts of caps to go shunt rubble and rubbish out of Freeside.
>And this would be in conjunction with freeing up the NVPD to actually go after organized crime. ...I'm not sure if I've lost track of a detail of the conversation or if this relates to the next bit.
>Keep in mind, normal day-to-day operations is patrolling to deter base violence and their own racketeering to feed and clothe themselves. It’s not them failing in their duty, it’s them being stretched thin by trying to support themselves instead of focusing on tackling other policing projects. I disagree with your framing around their "racketerring". The relationships that sustain them are largely willing rather than forced and don't require significant regular interference to maintain - that's why we got it on a good roll outcome. They are not spending any significant portion of their time engaging in racketeering because that implies that they aren't respected and desired to be doing their jobs by the community. See: The Kings. Further, a police officer per 132 people is not "stretched thin". If we account for the Securitrons, the ratio falls to 1 to 67. If we suppose they're only worth half, it'd still be 1 to 89.
>It ain’t that we’re under estimating the RMRP, it’s that we want to tackle the other problems in the meantime. As I addressed awhile back, the plan I proposed dealt with about two thirds of the listed problems and even then, it was limited mostly thanks to the general desire to have the Courier deal with diplomatic probems and constant influx of new things that need to be negotiated / diplomacy'd.
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>>6249572 I'll vote
>>6248806 with my support.
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>>6248806 I vote this option.
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>>6249579 >I get that and I just don't think it does that well. More leatherworks or other economic investments just make more sense. I disagree- while economic investments will help, a fundamental problem is getting Bonnie Springs involved with our government beyond servicing the economy. Beyond that, now that Bonnie Springs is a company town, realistically only the Courier can build a labor market there that won’t be squeezed out by Heck, and instituting a militia is the low-hanging fruit to said goal.
>Our forces aren't stretched that thin >STRETCHED FORCES While I do agree that an infantry company would service that need, so too would a militia company for a particular town in need.
>he'd be the only guy receiving one and specifically after making himself mayor Yes, he would- one that constitutes his employees, thus allowing for his influence. The major point being that we’re cutting the payroll instead of him doing it, thus maintaining the monopoly on violence while projecting soft power while Heck thinks he’s outsourcing his security concerns while keeping his local influence via his employees.
And they do have Red Rock and minor banditry to worry about, let alone the Divide.
>we're dividing it out amongst the settlements at which point the 200 man unit gets cut down into penny-packet units It’s why it’s a militia instead of infantry, more local instead of national. If it makes you feel better, we can make it a local National Guard unit instead.
>Because he probably would, to be frank Yes, which is exactly why he wouldn’t oppose us constituting a local milita. It’s not about fight his influence for the moment, it’s about getting in the door to generate our counter-influence.
>we can expect all that and worse from Heck's workers-turned-militia if he leans on them Indeed, but that was inevitable once Bonnie Springs became a company town. If we don’t constitute a militia instead Bonnie Springs, Heck will constitute it in all but name. This’ll put a cap on his hard power, mitigating his encroachment on our monopoly of violence.
>We're still establishing a large military force in "his" backyard. Yes, that he can influence, doesn’t have to pay for, and with his son having the war of the man in charge. Really, he’ll probably associate it with his practices under the NCR and not think twice on it.
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>>6249601 >involved with our government beyond servicing the economy Shifting the goal posts anon.
>now that Bonnie Springs is a company town, realistically only the Courier can build a labor market there that won’t be squeezed out by Heck I mean yes but also no. The title of "mayor" is not recognized by us in any formal sense - it isn't like we established the position or anything. If he tries to prevent competition, we just smack him over the head and tell him to knock it off or else.
>STRETCHED FORCES Literally opens with "While there’s no pressing need" and is followed by a request from Kreger for Infantry.
>Yes, he would- one that constitutes his employees, thus allowing for his influence. The major point being that we’re cutting the payroll instead of him doing it, thus maintaining the monopoly on violence while projecting soft power while Heck thinks he’s outsourcing his security concerns while keeping his local influence via his employees. >Red Rock and minor banditry Literally sealed off by the hunting blinds. As for bandits - minor.
>the Divide. That's more of a threat to Goodsprings than it is to them and even then, not exactly immediate / directly.
>It’s why it’s a militia instead of infantry, more local instead of national. If it makes you feel better, we can make it a local National Guard unit instead. That would be make 0 difference to me.
>Yes, which is exactly why he wouldn’t oppose us constituting a local milita. And yet another reason why it is a bad idea.
>It’s not about fight his influence for the moment, it’s about getting in the door to generate our counter-influence. That's- no. Just no. You've shifted the goalposts again.
>Indeed, but that was inevitable once Bonnie Springs became a company town. If we don’t constitute a militia instead Bonnie Springs, Heck will constitute it in all but name. Slippery slope fallacy - him making a company town doesn't mean with absolute certainty he is going to form his own private army. Why would he spend the money to constitute something that costs pretty huge amount of caps unless he very specifically has to?
>This’ll put a cap on his hard power, mitigating his encroachment on our monopoly of violence. If he genuinely desires to, this will do nothing. He can just
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>>6249579 >Except that's a non-issue. It's already in our sphere of influence, already petitioned to be absorbed into our government >After securing a majority of votes, Bonnie Springs has voted to fall under the authority of Heck Gunderson and his operations. Arcade and Julie have raised concerns but the residents, almost all under his employ, voted to join the baron. I’m worried about your reading comprehension now. It’s explicitly an issue raised that they voted to full under Heck’s authority over New Vegas’, and we can’t allow Heck to start paying for his own private militia in our own backyard. Instituting a Bonnie Springs militia cuts that attempt off before it gets legs.
>You can either have the trade route defence be a point in favour of spending caps or you can deny their ineffectiveness at it being unimportant to the plan - you can't do both. That’s missing my point- the militia will protect the trade routes as apart of its job, but the point of it is to project soft power wile keeping our monopoly on hard power in Bonnie Springs and the local region. Just cause an infantry company can dedicate more time to being more effective doesn’t make a militia ineffective, just less effective. We can upgrade the after we gain control of Bonnie Springs.
>>6249587 >the pastebin lists 771 assigned to garrison duties, so that's clearly wrong To be frank I think Survivalist consolidated the Gunderson garrison with guarding trade route to simplify the military situation.
>If we don't intend to actually use them for any military purpose >Militia Company >Uses: Garrison, heavy policing, trade protection. We are intending on using them for a military purpose, that’s just not the focus of the current conversation. Remember the [STRETCHED FORCES] warning.
>Okay but then we come to the questions that matter - how much can they extort, how much do we pay and most important of all, how much danger are they in? Yes, and when we finally begin payrolling the NVPD, the calculus on the danger and their ability to extort/pay their men changes the equation because the NVPD can now focus more energy on the problem.
>The relationships that sustain them are largely willing rather than forced and don't require significant regular interference to maintain That is what we call racketeering, only with the authority of the Courier. We don’t pay them, and they have Securitron backing up their ‘collections’ in the interim.
>that implies that they aren't respected and desired to be doing their jobs by the community That has no correlation with racketeering- the Sopranos were respected and desired in doing their ‘jobs’ after the community became accustomed to the regular payments.
>>6249601 >Yes, that he can influence, doesn’t have to pay for, and with his son having the ear* of the man in charge Just wanted to clarify that this was an autocorrect mistake lmao
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>>6249606 >Shifting the goal posts anon. Ain’t shifting- it just a different viewpoint. The goal is to absorb Bonnie Springs officially that doesn’t entrench it as his personal fiefdom.
>The title of "mayor" is not recognized by us in any formal sense - it isn't like we established the position or anything. If he tries to prevent competition, we just smack him over the head and tell him to knock it off or else. And how are we going to expect to enforce that day-to-day? The Securitrons you say we don’t post there?
>Literally opens with "While there’s no pressing need" and is followed by a request from Kreger for Infantry Literally titled [STRETCHED FORCES] anon, and Kreger himself expected to maintain a level of reliance on a militia system before we switch the militia to a National Guard system.
>Literally sealed off by the hunting blinds. As for bandits - minor Doesn’t mean we don’t need more security forces to protect trade and enforce our authority.
>That would be make 0 difference to me. Yea, I understand by now that you have reading comprehension issues.
>And yet another reason why it is a bad idea. Compared to him keeping it all in-house via a private militia anyway? Yea, no
>That's- no. Just no. You've shifted the goalposts again Anon, the goal is to wiggle Bonnie Springs from Heck’s grasp. Someone trying to explain their thoughts isn’t shifting goalposts.
>Why would he spend the money to constitute something that costs pretty huge amount of caps unless he very specifically has to? He’s already paying their salaries- a couple of six-shooters isn’t going to break his bank, and then he’ll have a personal militia because, again, he already pays their salaries.
>this will do nothing That’s wrong, because it’s explicitly creating hard power and an enforcement authority in the region that’s nominally and de jure independent from his authority. After that, it’ll be about whittling away his influence until it’s at an acceptable level for us.
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>>6249610 >I’m worried about your reading comprehension now. I'm worried you are paranoid as hell.
>It’s explicitly an issue raised that they voted to full under Heck’s authority over New Vegas >over New Vegas Okay so now they're a independent state like Westside. That's what you're saying there you realise? Except they aren't and that isn't what this means even slightly and you must surely know that, so no, this vote amounts to literally jack shit nothing. They're under Heck's authority - under New Vegas. We don't have anything to do with their mayoral election, so if tomorrow we come along and go "every community gets a single representative who can come and talk to us but there is no local government" that's that. If we decide to replace their local leaders with government officials we select or any other number of things, then the position he has fabricated for himself disappears into thin air. Similarly, it's not like the position has any enumerated rights that we respect: if he starts charging a cap for every brahmin that passes through or declares that people need his permission to build or sell within town limits or anything else, we can just say "like fuck you have the authority". His position is utterly toothless with his only recourse being "well I won't sell any food!" which is a threat only so long as we are reliant on his farms - which we won't be when/if we finish RMRP 2-A or further agricultural expansions.
>Instituting a Bonnie Springs militia cuts that attempt off before it gets legs. How does it do so? Does the existence of one preclude the other? It ain't going to be illegal or impossible just because we recruit a militia and if he offers a higher wage or threatens their other job (you've said it's part-time employment you're aiming for with this) to make them move to his militia then what?
>That’s missing my point I thoroughly disagree and will expand on this later.
>We can upgrade the after we gain control of Bonnie Springs. I have my doubts it will be anywhere near easy to do that.
>To be frank I think Survivalist consolidated the Gunderson garrison with guarding trade route to simplify the military situation. If that's the case then he represents some % of 60 Securitrons. Not exactly a lot.
>We are intending on using them for a military purpose, that’s just not the focus of the current conversation. It is.
>Remember the [STRETCHED FORCES] warning. Again, REMEMBER, literally opens with "While there’s no pressing need".
>NVPD can now focus more energy on the problem. Again, you have not even slightly proven that it takes any significant amount of the manhours to gather the payments the population provides them while I have done a pretty good job showing that a lack of manpower doesn't seem likely to be the issue. Further - IF PAYING THE 20,000 CAPS WOULD FREE UP SO MANY MANHOURS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN STATED AS AN ADVANTAGE OF PAYING IT.
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>>6249623 >That has no correlation with racketeering It however does have a huge correlation with the amount of god damn time it takes.
>>6249619 >Ain’t shifting- it just a different viewpoint. You went from discussing how we need to create economic opportunity and employment outside of Heck to "we need to get them involved with our government outside of the economy" which is about as absolute a 180 as you could have pulled.
>how are we going to expect to enforce that day-to-day? You know, funny story about that, it's called "if they don't obey we can kill them" and it doesn't require 200 militia to do it. If that doesn't do it for you, we need literally all of one guy to watch the town for us. Recruit another hundred cops and scatter them about as I suggested earlier, there, problem fucking solved.
>Literally titled I won't say it again after this I'll just call you a retard if you bring it up again since apparently you lack the reading comprehension to read the quote I keep giving you or to comprehend the thing you are referencing. The title is stretched forces because we are close to our limits, not because we are desperately in need of forces to cover existing commitments.
>Kreger himself expected to maintain a level of reliance on a militia system before we switch the militia to a National Guard system. Like fuck he does that is bullshit. Show me the post where he says "rather than producing infantry we're going to need to produce a bunch of militia before we can transition to a national guard system" seeing as neither of those is something that won the only vote we've had for military doctrine and sure as shit not a thing he's been pushing for.
>Doesn’t mean we don’t need more security forces to protect trade and enforce our authority. Doesn't mean we do either. Also, yes it does mean we don't need more - Kreger has previously informed us settlements are largely safe from the bandits groups that remain in our local area as of right now since we cleared out Nipton.
>Yea, I understand by now that you have reading comprehension issues. Fuck you too Anon.
>Compared to him keeping it all in-house via a private militia anyway Which your paranoid ass assumes is in his plans whenever we've monopolized a lot of the time of the main local supplier of firearms to tending our needs.
>Someone trying to explain their thoughts isn’t shifting goalposts. I disagree that that is what you did or, if you did, you sure as hell failed to explain your thoughts adequately in the beginning.
>a couple of six-shooters isn’t going to break his bank, and then he’ll have a personal militia because, again, he already pays their salaries. Anon, if that's what you call a "personal militia" he already has it because fucking everyone in the wastes is strapped. Also fun thing, just because he pays them for work doesn't mean he can conscript them without at least a few fucking off to jobs that aren't asking them to get shot at for money.
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>>6249633 >That’s wrong Explicitly creating hard power - but it's also totally not going to be seen as a threat by him. It's a enforcement authority - but it's made up of people on his payroll you admit he'll corrupt.
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>>6249623 >I'm worried you are paranoid as hell. Wouldn’t be a warning if it wasn’t a problem.
>Okay so now they're an independent state like Westside. Look at the map- do you see the New Vegas color on it? It’s Gunderson controlled, and explicitly stated as such in all the material, just like Westside.
Stating that ‘while Gunderson may control it, it’s technically under Vegas despite all the signs contrary’ is pure cope. Bonnie Springs is de facto under Gunderson control, not New Vegas’.
>>6249623 >How does it do so? Does the existence of one preclude the other? Yes- because we’re creating enforcement arm to explicitly tackle enforcement issues instead of simply letting Heck run his own personal fiefdom unopposed.
>I thoroughly disagree and will expand on this later. I understand that you disagree with the notion that the militia can have a duel use with hard and soft power.
>I have my doubts it will be anywhere near easy to do that. No shit, and you expect Heck to simply go along with us trying to economically diversify the town without an independent enforcement arm to keep the peace? Lmao
>If that's the case then he represents some % of 60 Securitrons. Not exactly a lot. The Gunderson Ranch is considered Controlled on the map still, so there is a Securitron presence there.
>It is. We already went over it in a previous >Conversation thread, this >particular thread was about soft power applications. The militia being able to do hard power things like policing and trade protection is a given in my mind.
>Again, REMEMBER, literally opens with "While there’s no pressing need". As it relates to the current security situation, we’re talking about a political need instead of a security one, even if the solution helps solve the security need.
>Again, you have not even slightly proven that it takes any significant amount of the manhours to gather the payments the population provides Anon, do you really think the Vegas population is funding a NVPD Onlyfans with PayPal? Come on- the only way they’re getting enough funds to live off of is by going door to door ‘asking’ for a couple caps from an already impoverished population.
>>6249633 >You went from discussing how we need to create economic opportunity and employment outside of Heck to "we need to get them involved with our government outside of the economy" which is about as absolute a 180 as you could have pulled Yes, me explaining the different facets of my thoughts is somehow shifting the goalposts of keeping Heck’s hands off of Bonnie. What an inspiring observation.
>it's called "if they don't obey we can kill them" Yes, we’re indeed trying to avoid such a situation.
>recruit another hundred cops and scatter them about as I suggested earlier, there, problem fucking solved. Wow, that’s almost like recruiting a lot of locals to do a bunch of heavy policing in their region- I wonder what they call that?
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>>6249633 >The title is stretched forces because we are close to our limits, not because we are desperately in need of forces to cover existing commitments. Yes, but the fact that a militia can also help solve that particular issue is a benefit, even without a ‘pressing need’. It’s a minor point that I’m willing to drop, but I do find it funny that you’re arguing about need when I’m saying we may want it.
>Show me >The first plan has us building a small core of very experienced infantry with a professional officer corp that is supported by a large contingent of militia Please note the ‘supported by a large contingent of militia’ bit. This was the game plan, even if anons wanted to pump out infantry only.
>Doesn't mean we do either Does that mean we suddenly don’t need to train up the infantry now? Besides, the point of the militia was to provide a diversified employment in Bonnie, even if we benefit from it security wise.
>Which your paranoid ass assumes is in his plans whenever we've monopolized a lot of the time of the main local supplier of firearms to tending our needs. He could just import arms from the NCR- and again, what’s really stopping him from creating a militia from his employees? Schrödinger's Securitrons?
>I disagree that that is what you did or, if you did, you sure as hell failed to explain your thoughts adequately in the beginning I never claimed to be particularly articulate, and besides, the goal was alway about freeing Bonnie. Like, what other goal is there? The are other benefits and costs, sure, but this was always about Bonnie at the heart of it.
>Anon, if that's what you call a "personal militia" he already has it because fucking everyone in the wastes is strapped And you think one constable with a rifle can police that?
>Also fun thing, just because he pays them for work doesn't mean he can conscript them without at least a few fucking off to jobs that aren't asking them to get shot at for money. Anon, you just argued that they are already a militia because they’re strapped to defend themselves- if they didn’t want the risk for the money, they would stayed in the NCR instead of bandit infested Vegas at the time.
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>>6249644 >Wouldn’t be a warning if it wasn’t a problem. Fair point.
>Bonnie Springs is de facto under Gunderson control, not New Vegas Heck is de facto and de jure under New Vegas. Anything otherwise is pure spook.
>Yes- because we’re creating enforcement arm to explicitly tackle enforcement issues instead of simply letting Heck run his own personal fiefdom unopposed. Nothing about that prevents him making his own militia.
>disagree with the notion that the militia can have a duel use with hard and soft power. No, I disagree that I am missing your point.
>No shit, and you expect Heck to simply go along with us trying to economically diversify the town without an independent enforcement arm to keep the peace? Yes I do because if he doesn't he invites the destruction and/or seizure of his entire investment here. Also we already HAVE a independent enforcement arm - it's called the Securitrons and our future infantry. You're arguing your plan is longer term than the next month or two, by the time of any confrontation therefore we'd have another "independent enfrocement arm" in the form of the god damn infantry too. To say nothing of the police.
>We already went over it in a previous >Conversation thread, this >particular thread was about soft power applications. Oh I didn't realize you had a fucking itinerary.
>As it relates to the current security situation, we’re talking about a political need instead of a security one, even if the solution helps solve the security need. Yet another fucking goalpost shift.
>Anon, do you really think- Yes, next question retard. These extractive relationships existed before our government, the economic load was already being carried, you are a idiot that thinks they don't have means and ways after years of this shit to handle it efficiently.
>a lot of locals to do a bunch of heavy policing in their region A fucking dozen is not a lot you absolute fuckwit. 100 ACROSS THE REGION.
>me explaining the different facets of my thoughts is somehow shifting the goalposts of keeping Heck’s hands off of Bonnie And now I'm done, because I have better things to do than waste my time on someone this two-faced or this brain-dead.
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>>6249639 I’m glad you understand that it not a perfect situation. Because he can corrupt them, they won’t be as much of a threat, but they will have to answer to us at the end of the day, not him.
I understand it’s not an ideal or perfect solution, but it’s less naive than thinking one constable can somehow enforce our authority on an organization 500 strong and think that’s actually a workable situation.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Wed 28 May 2025 21:38:09 No. 6249666 Report I would like to remind anons that we are all splinters of the Couriers consciousness so please act accordingly, even if vitriol is a 4chan tradition.
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>>6249666 Can we even train militia? I remember last time voting Infantry as the type we can train. Or was that vote between the three different types for something else?
I am hoping that this question will help with that back and forth they're having.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Wed 28 May 2025 21:57:02 No. 6249676 Report Quoted By:
>>6249672 Yes you can train militia, whereas a national guard unit is just a bit better of a militia with special abilities and an infantry is an infantry.
I don’t have costs for militia I think due to infantry being chosen as the preferred method of the armed forces but can throw it on the rapidly expanding pastebin
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>>6249659 >Heck is de facto and de jure under New Vegas. Anything otherwise is pure spook. Gunderson and Bonnie would be New Vegas blue instead of brown, my dude. We have a warning about how he was literally voted into outside of Vegas’s lack of law. It’s pure copium to think otherwise.
>Nothing about that prevents him making his own militia. By your argument he already has a militia. I don’t see how one constable solves the lack of enforcement in Bonnie.
>No, I disagree that I am missing your point. Sure anon, I’ll just let this dog lay.
>Yes I do because if he doesn't he invites the destruction and/or seizure of his entire investment here Ah, yes- playing escalatory chicken with our own agricultural industry.
>Also we already HAVE a independent enforcement arm - it's called the Securitrons and our future infantry Militarized police localized around Bonnie Springs? I mean, sure- but the moment they leave, that doesn’t sudden solve the lack of independent (I.e. New Vegas) law enforcement in Bonnie. Unless we now siphoning from the NVPD to patrol Bonnie?
>Oh I didn't realize you had a fucking itinerary. Ah, yes- me explaining my thought process on the conversation somehow offends you. You’re just being overly emotional at this point.
>Yet another fucking goalpost shift. At this point you’re just strawmanning a goalpost. How would you classify the problem in Bonnie? Is it security problem, or a political one?
>These extractive relationships existed before our government, the economic load was already being carried, you are an idiot that thinks they don't have means and ways after years of this shit to handle it efficiently. Yes, but getting enough caps per person to cover 20k from 500 manpower? You not even contemplating the manhours going into fundraising that shit.
>A fucking dozen is not a lot you absolute fuckwit. 100 ACROSS THE REGION. Of Bonnie? Sure. You mean outside of New Vegas? That’s a joke.
>And now I'm done, because I have better things to do than waste my time on someone this two-faced or this brain-dead. Anon, if you just going resort to personal insults, it’s better not to engage at the point- being overwhelmed with emotion doesn’t make for any decent argument.
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>>6249681 We did take a bullet to the head after all.
Thankfully managing the garden calms me down. I recently found out wood chips are a great way to hold water in the garden. So when might as well make use of the leftover wood pulp from any works we do. It will help the crops from drying out.
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>>6249666 Probably just a miscommunication issue- a lot of nuisance gets lost from writing vs spoken language, and it ends up becoming a fight between what the shadow of the argument in each other’s head over what was intended to be said.
Like, with the whole militia thing, I wasn’t expecting the world- just a handful of officers headquarted in Bonnie to organize some trade protection from Goodsprings to Vegas, plus the odd wildlife attack and the ranch. It was mainly to give the odd job or two to some ranch hands that were looking for some extra pocket change, mainly protecting a caravan or killing a rouge bear, while the officers keep the peace. Doesn’t even have to be full strength.
Like, it’s not that pressing- we can wait for the Tunnelers to appear to give us justification to mobilize.
>>6249698 Cedar chips keep their aroma- it’s quite refreshing to breath in.
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>>6249494 We definitely need to hit up Area 51 and Dugway when we have some free time. Imagine the kind of high tech stuff we could nab if they aren't radioactive craters.
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>>6249714 I think a lot of the military bases will be so much atoms, since known major military facilities (and especially air force bases) would have been top-priority targets during the Great War. Nellis was heavily targeted and hit multiple times, and the others won't have been under House's missile shield except probably Creech AFB.
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>>6249666 - Does Kreger want any militia ever at all?
- Is being a member of the militia a full-time occupation? If used for protecting trade, are they then?
- How many people does a leather workshop employ? Does the doubled production mode double the employees or just double their shifts or?
- Would the people of Bonnie Springs see a militia company raised by us as in any way significantly different from a infantry company being posted (at least partly) to defend them?
- How many Securitrons do we have defending Heck's lands?
- Assuming a roll of two rolls of 50 + a Courier roll of 50 augmenting them, how much time would be shaved off of the RMRP's Stage 2?
- Does Heck Gunderson already employ armed guards on his ranches / farms? Did he have any significant number of them in Bonnie Springs?
- How many man-hours a month does the average NVPD officer spend collecting their tribute from the population?
- What are the real implications of Bonnie Springs being "Gunderson controlled" in terms of colouration?
- Does the average employee of Gunderson like him? Enough to vote for him?
- How much does the average Freesider earn compared the the likely take of the racketeers?
- Does any form of danger exit The Divide at all regularly?
- How stretched are our forces in covering trade and other obligations?
- What would be the cost of shipping enough firearms in from the NCR to form a company of militia?
- Are the wildlife of Red Rock Canyon contained from the rest of our territories?
- What percentage of Bonnie Springs are from the NCR compared to the Mojave roughly?
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>>6249677 Alright-
>Anon, if you just going resort to personal insults, it’s better not to engage at the point- being overwhelmed with emotion doesn’t make for any decent argument. -You're a disrespectful ass, I see no reason not to be one back. I've also decided that, no, showing you how fucking stupid you are is wroth my god damn time.
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>>6249727 I don't know, Adams AFB is still relatively intact in Fallout 3, and I assume these places would have their own ABM defences. I doubt they're just going to be craters in the ground.
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>>6249734 Well, I certainly wish you luck on that front
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>>6248395 Lmao, I like to think that we nicked Caesar's brain on genuine accident, and his usual charisma and prowess are now occasionally punctuated by bizarre decisions that nonetheless make sense to him, even if he can't articulate why.
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>>6249745 The temptation exists Anon. To bury you under it and be done with you since I doubt you have the god damn interest in arguing through so much.
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>>6249666 So where does the Courier's independently-sentient brain fit into this?
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Thu 29 May 2025 12:26:26 No. 6249971 Report >>6249732 Kreger: There’s value to a militia and that’s the standard force in the wasteland aside from raider gangs but I prefer a national guard training system. It’s cheap enough but they’re worth half a damn in a combat situation. If you’re short in caps and just need warm bodies, militia is the next best thing. There’s also the possibility of just setting up a town guard in these smaller settlements if they haven’t already.
Also, militia and national guardsmen can either be raised or unraised. Upkeep is the same either way but raised militia aren’t contributing to their local economy and the jobs would be empty in the meantime
Garret: When upgrading a facility to double its production, it’s not an exact x2 of everything. More tools are purchased and production line is expanded, but the employee count is only increased by 50%. It’s just increased efficiency that comes more and better equipment and constant work cycles.
Kreger: I suppose just because the infantry will carry themselves with more professionalism and seem to be “better” would be seen as a little better but you’d have to ask the citizens. They may see differently.
Gunderson also has 50 Securitrons split between his main farms. Seems excessive but he originally requested up to 100. Due to the efforts of our forces to clear the region, there’s not nearly as much need and he’s been steadily increasing his own private force. I don’t have the numbers but I’d be surprised if it’s over 100 for both farms. These also include his cattle guards as well.
(Couldn’t tell you about the RMRP, obviously the more time, effort and money you put in not only will it shorten but will improve it’s impact, but I can’t tell you for sure. I don’t even know for sure until I see when it’s rolled and if any attention it put aside from “put these two actions towards it”)
King: My boys don’t spend much time collecting tribute, the way you say it. I have some people who go and collect…taxes…while these new police officers will mostly do the job you want them to do but might ask for donations or a tip. I use the tax money I collect in Freeside to reimburse and support my community.
(The color is just to show that Heck is influential enough to be set aside as a color. He’s definitely not your opponent but he’s not fully walking the walk of the courier and other towns under you.
Farkas: Racketeering is unfortunately a relatively lucrative trade, but less so with the mass deployment of Securitrons and NVPD, which I’d like to discuss at the next meeting. Anyway, with Freeside safer lately theres less money to come from racketeering which is why King calls it taxes. Which I hate to say, it not entirely inaccurate. He’s more or less the government around here and does provide services like water, food kitchens and orphanages. It may not be legitimate and it’s far from fair but the average Freesider accepts it.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Thu 29 May 2025 12:38:03 No. 6249974 Report Quoted By:
>>6249732 Kreger: Nothing has crawled out of that hellhole yet but I wouldn’t mind if we started doing some long-range recon along that path once we have our forces set up, or even to build some defenses to catch anything heading out of that canyon wreckage. Regarding the stretching of our forces, we’re not in panic mode but if something were to need our attention of hundreds of Securitrons, we’d have some big gaps that would need filled both short-term and long-term.
Regarding important the same quality of weaponry for a militia company, we could purchase locally since the weaponry would be of lower cost. If we want to just buy the “tier-2” weaponry needed for our infantry standard, I estimate anywhere form 40,000-60,000 caps. Maybe more or less and that’s not assuming the NCR may stymie weapon imports to the Mojave. And all substantial animal traffic from Red Rock is stopped by those hunting outposts, though enough filter in and out to not completely collapse the local wildlife population.
Ted: A majority of those in Bonnie Springs are NCR actually. Not by design but that’s who was in the are when my father set up shop and I would wager almost a majority of NCR citizens in this region have some sort of agricultural background. That was a big selling point here, your own land to do whatever you want with. Obviously that wasn’t the complete truth.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Thu 29 May 2025 12:43:56 No. 6249976 Report >>6248806 Winner, congrats anon. Alright let’s see here
The only question I have is which enclave bunker you’re talking about? Since I posted a series of locations in NV after your proposal I’ll let you switch it out with something.
If you’re talking about the Vertibird refueling station, that’s just the official name for the remnants bunker.
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>>6249976 he might mean V-B1 Refuel 9304
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Thu 29 May 2025 17:58:29 No. 6250050 Report >>6249994 Yeah that’s what I thought. It’s a pretty small facility so probably not worth a courier action but can get that answer from the anon down the line
Council Meeting doesn’t need a roll as they’ll be reporting on their directive success and any other pertinent information.
>NCR Business Meeting 1d100+8 (DT50) baseline for their initial attitudes
Military
Only assuming you’re training one company, you don’t have enough equipment so you’ll have to purchase the reminder at a cost of 25,000.
1d100+2(DT25) Giving bonus due to former enclave training infantry, which I think the explanation is obvious
Also no roll for switching the NVPD over to an actual payroll and letting them know they are NOT to ask for tribute themselves
Research
>Looking into Outsider’s Pox, S&T and H&HS will assist 1d100+7 (DT75)
Industrial
>Begin setting up a proper logging industry up in Jacobstown, what types of product can they provide etc 1d100+2 (DT60)
Other
>Have Boone investigate the rising organized crime in Freeside He’s not the worst choice for it actually, but still one man. Lets see how he does
1d100 (DT75)
I’ll wait to get the OP’s answer on what he wants the refueling station to be replaced with but please give me these rolls! BO1
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Rolled 76 + 8 (1d100 + 8) >>6250050 Why is it Bo1? Doesn’t an actual administration actually help our projects?
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Thu 29 May 2025 18:06:19 No. 6250052 Report Quoted By:
>>6250051 Reason it’s Bo1 is if there’s 5 requests for rails and that’s Bo3 or whatever, that’s 15 rolls and that could get real messy. And departments are helping by either lowering DT on the backend or their dice bonus of it falls within their expertise.
Process is WIP so definetely open for suggestions. Going forward, council meetings will not be an activity but will be given automatically at the start of every turn
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Rolled 41 + 2 (1d100 + 2) >>6250050 military
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>>6250064 decent. They don't have much anyway for equipment so its fine.
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>>6250074 Phone posting and rolling is the worse
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Rolled 19 + 2 (1d100 + 2) >>6250050 Wood
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>>6250090 What a shame. We are going to slumber on this lumber. Or the the mutants might is not right and just making everything chips.
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Rolled 57 (1d100) >>6250050 Boone
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:MPG47kSC Thu 29 May 2025 20:20:13 No. 6250099 Report No Batman Boone but pretty good across the board.
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>>6250099 I'm thinking next time for investigation will send bear team one with him. May as well keep Lily with him as well it's like a buddy cop movie.
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>>6250064 Damn, no further development of Mobile Cactus Wall (MCW) technology.
>>6250084 >>6250096 Well, at least the fungus is getting investigated. Looks like Heck and the organized crime are getting away a little longer.
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>>6250144 I don't think we should send Bear Team One unless there's an actual military threat coming from the criminals.
And although Lily might not be the best at it, I feel like having her do it alone would be nice
mostly because of how funny it would be if she succeeded by herself where Boone failed Anonymous
>>6250151 Crazy grandma too strong bad guys can't win. They end up feeling bad that they disappointed grandma and turn themselves in.
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Rolled 64 (1d100) >>6250050 I'm not rolling for the quest
I'm rolling to see how stiff my erection will be as I check out the Asian Milf thread in /s/
Wish me luck anons
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>>6250050 >>6250099 I did mean V-B1 but if it's not worth a whole Courier action then I'd suggest either Area 51 or Hawthorne Joint Storage Facility.
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>>6250151 "Oh, it was easy dear! I just knocked on a door and asked about the little rascals, and once the poor dear stopped screaming he told me all their names and what they were up to. Such a helpful young man!"
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>>6249971 >1st response - Kreger (on militia) Kreger stating no desire for militia and confirming that an actually raised militia (e,g one protecting trade rather than just garrisoning their own town) wouldn't be able to fulfill their regular jobs. So yes, it would effectively mean 2/5ths of Bonnie Springs would suddenly be working for us if the formation is raised; great if you want to undermine his power, bad if you don't want to piss him off or rather suddenly/dramatically upset the local economy.
>2nd response - Garret (on leatherworks) Okay so we should aim to upgrade every business to that operating model the instant we construct them - though I'd note that the number of employees still ain't specified. If we construct four leatherworkshops in Bonnie Springs, is that employment for 20 people when un-upgraded? 40? Assuming 40, the 50% increase when upgraded would take us to 60...12% of the population of Bonnie Springs would be working for us, which considering the 500 probably contains some kids is probably actually higher still. Definitely shows that even an immediate action of organised investment into Bonnie Springs would greatly weaken Heck's ability to control them long term.
>3rd response - Kreger (on Gunderson) 50 Securitrons and we can probably reduce that over time further as we push the borders-of-danger away from our interior. I'd also add that, entirely unsurprisingly, he's already got private security, it's been steadily growing (so much for being able to preempt that) and they're already about 100 strong.
>4th response - QM on RMRP It's good to have it clearly written for Anons that spending actions on the RMRP can only improve the situation and should really be more highly valued given that. Especially since you're very much not describing a upper limit on what we can improve or get from improvement there...
>5th response - King on NVPD Tribute Collection Literally proof that they aren't wasting time on it, so no, the issue is not that they are wasting time collecting their pay. As I expected, pre-existing systems of collection have been continued in use.
>6th response - QM on map colours Similarly, "heck is influential" but not "heck made them independent from our control" or anything so extreme.
>7th response - Farkas on Racketeering ...Not really the response I wanted considering I was trying to work the point of "how much do the gangsters make VS how much they could make by going straight" but good to know that the situation is overall improved from where it was previously.
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>>6250395 >8th response - Kreger on The Divide & Weapon Imports/Militia Weapons & Red Rock Canyon Agreed we need to fortify the approach to the Divide - if nothing else just in case the Tunnelers start pouring out. As stated, the stretching of our forces is mostly a concern if we suddenly had to fight the NCR or Legion or wanted to perform something like the Nipton assault again without time to prepare. We have no imminent need to deploy that sort of assault again and probably won't for at least another half a year, by which time we ought to have 2-3 Infantry Companies out to replace at least some if not all of the Securitrons in various deployments.
Weapons imports are unlikely to be easy given diplomatic situation but equally, I have my doubts the NCR really pays that much attention to trade exports (compared to imports that might contain illegal materials entering into the NCR) but 40 to 60 thousand caps which is a heck of a lot of money for Heck to spend without absolutely needing to. Also, yes, as already stated with the action that made it, the hunting outposts at Red Rock have control over the local wildlife filtering in and out, so it no longer has a serious effect on the dangers of the wastes / can't threaten settlements.
>9th response - Ted on Bonnie Springs Good to confirm.
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>>6250395 >So yes, it would effectively mean 2/5ths of Bonnie Springs would suddenly be working for us if the formation is raised Just going to mention that this sounds like a great legal recourse to keep in our back pocket if we should ever need to screw him over on short notice. Ideally this would never be necessary, but he is arguably our biggest threat right now.
>Definitely shows that even an immediate action of organised investment into Bonnie Springs would greatly weaken Heck's ability to control them long term. Sure, as long as Heck just lets it happen without attempting to change his behavior to oppose or accommodate it in any way it'll probably work.
>Ted I wonder if Ted might be willing to... not quite turn on Heck but prioritize our goals over his if he had enough incentive? Convert him to our side with the power of blackjack and hookers?
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>>6250274 I wouldn’t say so, it’s not a large facility. Should have explained that better and didn’t want to spend two weeks of the couriers time walking through the same three rooms he’s seen before
Rolling for which one
>>6250227 >>6250394 It may be a joke but I actually think this would work well haha, no one is going to try to fight her, she can sneak around just fine and community policing for the youth would be great. I’m sure she would enjoy it as well
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:An8fpDTD Fri 30 May 2025 11:17:26 No. 6250436 Report Quoted By:
Rolled 2 (1d2) >>6250435 Bleh
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:An8fpDTD Fri 30 May 2025 15:20:27 No. 6250484 Report One of the many beauties of the trip to Jacobstown is how wooded the region is, more so than any other place in the Mojave. You’re not sure what forests exist nearby but due to the vast quantities of water needed, you’re not holding your breath.
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>>6250424 >Sure, as long as Heck just lets it happen without attempting to change his behavior to oppose or accommodate it in any way it'll probably work. I mean there's not that much he can do without having to escalate significantly against us. He can't exactly refuse us constructing the buildings or establishing the businesses without escalating significantly - he could not sell any leather to us, but we can just get our own herds or buy from non-Heck suppliers, even if they're more expensive...eventually it'd be a question of "Will Heck triple down or will he recognize when he is beat?" and I'd assume that he would.
>>6250484 Well, I'd just like to add one possible solution: Vault 22's research affects crops primarily, but since it accelerates the growth of plants as a whole, faster growing trees would be plausible as a application.
Realistically though we're going to have to look at imports from the Legion for raw wood I think - if we can't source our own from the north - though luckily wood products ought to have a good market in the NCR since they're in a drought and all, I can't imagine they've exactly got huge forests of pines and oaks to churn out tables and chairs and such. Fine furniture and such ought to be useful locally too, though construction timbers are more valuable for us. If we could get alternative materials (composites and such) that'd perform the same, we could bypass the issue entirely though.
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>>6250424 >I wonder if Ted might be willing to... not quite turn on Heck but prioritize our goals over his if he had enough incentive? Convert him to our side with the power of blackjack and hookers? Ted has already shown he is prioritizing our goals with his commitment to buy from other smaller ranchers at a higher cost for our leatherworks. I believe Ted is solid, and it’s just a waiting game until Heck gets grandfathered out.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:An8fpDTD Fri 30 May 2025 18:58:27 No. 6250539 Report Quoted By:
With Camp [To be Named] ready to receive recruits and your Securitrons becoming deployed further and further from New Vegas, you realize you don’t want to wait for a full company of equipment to be produced. Thankfully, a majority is in the armory at McCarran and Kreger sources the rest for a hefty price-tag of 25,000 caps. The upside is that the first class of recruits are all veterans of combat age therefore the training is a month instead of the usual two.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:An8fpDTD Fri 30 May 2025 19:01:07 No. 6250540 Report MORENO: THESE MEN HAVE BEEN FASHIONED INTO A HONED KILLING MACHINE. THEY ARE PERHAPS THE FINEST INFANTRY THAT HAVE GRACED THIS GODFORSAKEN DESERT. AND NOW, THEY WILL TAKE THE OATH.
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>>6250540 >Local leader panics about losing control >even though said control is oaths towards you and your GREAT nation. Also, We should name the fucking Camp. Camp Mojave
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>>6250484 No use uh.
Too bad, i guess i can take it out from the list wood industry for Jacobstown. We aren't going to use it for military and tourism anytime soon so eh... i might add it later to the pastebin but kind of low priority now (resettling dead settlements, creating jobs in living ones is quite important).
>>6250540 Quite good. As expected, Moreno thought we might want something to start placing loyalty and a sense of it in the Mojave Armed Forces. The fact that he did it without asking would be concerning... if he wasn't an old stubborn geezer with planted ideas on what soldiers should be like and that they should have a sense of loyalty. This is probably more like an instictual thing: like adding a spice he likes to a food he is making. He did it automatically.
He is from a certain background so he is also more authoritarian than others.
One more reason to make laws, a government building and start working on a national identity . Those kinds of things also help the military shaping up, because they now know what they fight for and what their state stands for.
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>>6250484 Well, if we can't use it for timber (as I suspected), we can always clear some ski runs later for an extra winter tourism draw.
Side note, once we get diplomatic contact with the Legion, we should engage in regular correspondence with Caesar. We have his ear, and it'd be remiss to not continue whispering into it.
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>>6250540 >"I swear by God this holy oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to the people of the Mojave and to the Leader of the Nation, Courier Six, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath." >Moreno using the Enclave oath and substituting it with the Courier lmao Guess we don’t need to worry about the Revenant’s loyalty.
>It’s hard not to notice more than a few of your council staring daggers at the back of your head. Arcade looks particularly perturbed, mouth slightly agape. Arcade is probably the only person besides Kreger that figures this wasn’t intended by the Courier.
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>>6250540 >Enclave oath used to ensure the total loyalty of the armed forces to the Courier I see no problem with this.
>>6250557 >Side note, once we get diplomatic contact with the Legion, we should engage in regular correspondence with Caesar. We have his ear, and it'd be remiss to not continue whispering into it. Agreed. I imagine the option would be available once the Legion embassy is built.
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Oh also, since there's that Anon that wanted to build security / checkpoints at settlements and such (and because I want semi-similar locations as caravan stops / trade posts / guard posts along trade routes) I drew out a basic design in a simple design software.
>>6250540 Based.
>>6250542 That or something like Camp First Light (of the dawn), Camp Full House / Royal Flush / Four Aces / High Aces...lots of gambling ones that'd work well. Also, we've a infantry company to name now! Naming larger units is a better plan long term, but realistically we'll just table the names of units if we have to consolidate formations to larger (e,g division, regiment) scales...Devil's Company has a nice ring to it...
>>6250545 >tourism I mean might be worth looking into establishing a ski resort fairly soon as a way to attract non-gamblers to Vegas. Might appeal to families...
>>6250567 >Arcade is probably the only person besides Kreger that figures this wasn’t intended by the Courier. I'll be honest, part of me thinks Moreno might've wholesale lifted a bit of some Enclave oath there. Still great shit though.
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>>6250583 Pretty sure there is already a Camp First light or something along those lines.
And Having them named after a Card deck isn't the best. You'd just want to name the larger units that.
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>>6250584 No, no, card deck is military bases - Devil's Company is a reference to the Devil's Brigade of the 1st Infantry Regiment of the US Army (The Big Red One / The Fighting First)
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:lHB87+O+ Fri 30 May 2025 21:38:49 No. 6250591 Report Planning for Boone Batman post to come out tonight. Regarding name for the company, they’re a little older and have some prior experience if that helps give them some character, though Kreger plans on cycling out some of the personnel in future units for NCOs and officers.
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>>6250591 How about Camp Rex? Named after our favorite dog.
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>>6250540 Dammit, Moreno. Yes, it's a good thing to have loyal soldiers, but it's debatable whether that's worth the cost of inner turmoil within our ruling body.
I wonder if Lanius ever led a similar ritual with Legionnaires for Caesar? I think this is our subtle hint that a national identity is gradually coming due.
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Obviously it is a little early but I think next turn if we have some wiggle room we ought to have the courier take some time to conduct a training exercise or better yet some small scale military action with the new infantry company. They just swore their loyalty to us let them see us in action, on top of that veterans from this company are likely to become the officers and NCO’s of follow on companies so developing a somewhat personal relationship with them can only do good in the long run.
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>>6250602 I just realized that the King named him Rex, which means king.
>>6250614 I was thinking the same thing.
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>>6250509 >I mean there's not that much he can do without having to escalate significantly against us. 1. It's incredibly vague what he can and can't do, given that we have no clear laws and essentially a handshake agreement.
2. He specifically does have an extensive history of escalating to achieve his goals, commonly via intimidation and underhanded tactics.
3. He enjoys a vast sum of resources and influence back west and could no doubt prop up his company town economically with his own resources alone if he had to, which would make the land a de facto annexation into NCR territory.
Heck is in an uncomfortably good position right now, and that's why I'm going to keep harping on about it until we negotiate a contract with him.
>>6250529 >Ted has already shown he is prioritizing our goals with his commitment to buy from other smaller ranchers at a higher cost for our leatherworks. That's the barest minimum, anon. It doesn't speak either way about his loyalties, and I'd be very surprised if he has instantly tossed in with us.
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>>6250629 >That's the barest minimum, anon. It doesn't speak either way about his loyalties, and I'd be very surprised if he has instantly tossed in with us. I agree, but remember, we did save his life. Given a bit of elbow-grease in maintaining a relationship, and so long as he understands we aren’t threatening to harm his father, he might just fall in behind us if Heck was being unreasonable, which might make Heck more reasonable in turn. It’s certainly a relationship to cultivate.
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>>6250629 >1. It's incredibly vague what he can and can't do, given that we have no clear laws and essentially a handshake agreement. Yeah except that also means that there are no laws constraining us either and our control of the region trumps his, so unless he wants to escalate the conflict significantly - if he even considers there to be a conflict rn - there are severe limits on where and how he can act.
>2. He specifically does have an extensive history of escalating to achieve his goals, commonly via intimidation and underhanded tactics. Which only work whenever you can intimidate or otherwise manipulate. We are not all that vulnerable to him rn, especially as additional income and agriculture comes under our control.
>3. He enjoys a vast sum of resources and influence back west and could no doubt prop up his company town economically with his own resources alone if he had to Yeah but is that advantageous or profitable for him to do so? Not likely, so it then becomes a question of what behaving so could lead him to gain - which is solely "concessions" from the NV government which aren't likely to be forthcoming as/if we can expand ourselves beyond reliance on agriculture or diversify said agriculture away from Heck.
>which would make the land a de facto annexation into NCR territory. Not even slightly.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Fri 30 May 2025 23:30:42 No. 6250648 Report While the rise in organized crime in Freeside is worrying, the NVPD aren’t in much of a state to tackle the problem as they’re barely removed from being gang members themselves. Assuming this “rival” outfit is as organized as you’re warned about, you decide to act with a little more tact than just walking in and blasting everyone.
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>>6250641 >there are severe limits on where and how he can act. Okay, before this point goes any farther, can we get an explanation from the QM about what it specifically means that Bonnie Springs is a company town? Because we seem to have two very different ideas about how much control this gives him over the town.
>We are not all that vulnerable to him rn He controls a substantial portion of our food income, on the heels of starvation in our land no less. We are very much vulnerable right now, and will be until we get enough of our own agri up (and protected from him) to trivialize his own production.
>Yeah but is that advantageous or profitable for him to do so? It's our land that he wants, not our money.
He is here because we have land and he needs lots of it for brahmin. Having land is his main objective, and taking losses is entirely acceptable if they secure him more land for his herds.
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>>6250648 Were you able to determine if this new gang has so far managed to subvert any members of the New Vegas Police Force
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>>6250648 ….ah, this is our Enclave reception. How quaint.
>See any other concerning signs of other crime families? What’s your recommendation on the situation? Got any recommendations for police instructors or anti-gang operation officers/training? Anonymous
>>6250591 Camp Mojave
>>6250648 Do we know how they slipped in so quickly and effectively? What routes, Where they got the manpower from?
Do we know if there are other gangs, Or locations of safe houses and stockpiles?
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>>6250678 Ya I didn't post that about it, because we don't have proof as that was from 2 you know before they fled east and got btfo'ed.
even more cause folks love to hyper-focus and assume the worse with every faction but NCR. Anonymous
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>>6250684 Eh- ain’t really the worst. Tbh, it’s downright sensible considering their situation, and such a prompt and quick response time if it is the case.
Really, if the Salvatores cut out their bullshit, it could be quite a fruitful partnership.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 31 May 2025 01:49:53 No. 6250738 Report >>6250661 Ted Gunderson: Back West they're not as uncommon as you think, especially in very rural areas or on the frontier. They all mostly abide within NCR law but seeing as you don't really have law out here...Bonnie Springs will follow the rules that my father lays down, he'll demand rent and maybe taxes, as well as owning most of the major businesses or having strong control over them. The workers don't usually love it but honestly, the town is safe, protected and there are always jobs. What else can you want?
>>6250677 >>6250678 >>6250683 Boone: I'm not sure if they've infiltrated but there's what, 500 members with very little oversight? I wouldn't be surprised but I'm lost on how to weed the rats out.
As for other families, I don't think so. It looks to just be these newcomers and The Kings. As for my suggestion, find out who the bosses are and take them hostage or kill them. Cut the head off the snake and the infrastructure will fall apart. And no, unfortunately there's not much specialty in anti-mob activity even back in the NCR.
I can't say on why they've grown so quick, fertile ground? It's not like The Kings have had much competition, they've been pretty good about holding a monopoly across the city. For manpower, Freeside is still incredibly poor so take a guess at why an enterprise offering the promise of wealth has done so well, especially if they can throw around caps. I'm sure there are more safehouses but these are what I found, I'm only one man, at the end of the day. They hide their tracks well.
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>>6250738 We will need more jobs and check into the gang our self with grandma and Boone, if t here is time.
Maybe we can use infrastructure upgrades to employ people. Get some clothing, guns, and a few other things like the mine going. Those should help the part 2 going on.
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>>6250648 "They might not be trained in anti-gang operations, but they have shown promise before as recruits in urban warfare. What you think need to be addressed for deal with the Salvatores ? A cultivated
new leadership in the police force ? More guns ? Armors ? Establishing a law system for create a difference between them and criminals ? All of them ? Tell me how you see it, and how we could go about resolving this. Even if it becomes expensive i'll consider it."
>>6250583 Nice design, though i am unsure if we will ever do it. Little interest in the idea except for me (we are also far away for pay upkeep of multiple companies of Infantry)
Ski resort could be nice we need some work and investment. Though there is not that many that know anything about this sport in the wasteland. And transportation should be improved first for get them to Jacobstown. I will write it down on the pastebin when i can if nothing else.
>>6250613 Sort of. Its a little thing, honestly we might want to direct national identity outselves a bit.
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>>6250661 >He controls a substantial portion of our food income, on the heels of starvation in our land no less. We are very much vulnerable right now, and will be until we get enough of our own agri up (and protected from him) to trivialize his own production. Lovely you clip out the latter part of the sentence where I explicitly say"especially as additional...agriculture comes under our control".
>It's our land that he wants, not our money. Yeah but he wants our land to MAKE money. Is it a good idea for him to do so? I can't imagine driving cattle along the Long 15 would be at all profitable for sale back in the NCR compared to selling them locally - so - if he wants to make profits off of his land, he needs to cooperate with us.
>Having land is his main objective, and taking losses is entirely acceptable if they secure him more land for his herds. And if pissing us off results in us restricting further expansion of his business or even seizing his assets? This is what I mean, we are not vulnerable to him because our ability to escalate far outstrips his own - and - escalation assumes a hostile relationship which I do not think is actually present.
>>6250678 Likely yeah, though they might just have the laser pistols from stockpiles from back in the day...the fact they've got them here suggests either high interest or a high supply.
>>6250738 Ted, answer the following things to settle this argument:
>If we create a law: - Would being a Company Town affect enforcement at all?
- Would it supercede Heck's local ordinances?
>If we open a business or businesses in the town - Would we have to obey local rules or would we supercede them?
- Would we have to pay taxes?
- Could he prevent us operating?
>If we impose taxes, would being a Company Town affect that at all? >If we introduced the NVPD to the town: - Would he attempt to resist them replacing his security? Would being a Company Town give him grounds to do so?
- Would he reduce his own security forces?
>How likely is he to: - Entrench his position as mayor by writing rules that make him the only suitable candidate for election?
- Repeat this in additional communities?
>What percentage of the local population would you think would need alternative employment in order to dissolve the Company Town status? >What percentage of our agriculture is Heck's present assets expected to be at the end of RMRP 2-A's expansion to our farms and ranches? >Could your father make any significant profits exporting brahmin back to California along the Long 15? >If not, does that mean his local operations are dependent on our economy to be profitable? >If that is the case, how likely is it in your opinion as his son that if a conflict with us resulted in his assets in the Mojave not being profitable, he would attempt to end the conflict? Anonymous
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>>6250821 >Salvatores If we want to eliminate them, deploying our First Infantry Company to the task is probably more than sufficient, with a few Securitrons to deal with the laser-weapon carriers. The problem with that approach is it's going to create a bit of panic since it'll be a running gun battle across at least a few parts of Vegas. More surgical strikes with some sort of SWAT might be a better plan, rather than deploying the military...that or we want to establish undercover cops and work our way up their organisation to cut them apart from the inside with assassinations of key lieutenants, arson of safehouses and seizure of assets...
>Little interest in the idea except for me To a degree but that's why I want to use it for other purposes like defending trade between settlements / as a fortified border post. The design has a barracks of 7 bunkbeds, stack those 3-4 high and you've accommodations for 21-to-28 sleeping at the same time; hotbunk and that gets you to 42-to-56, roughly a fifth to a quarter of a company. I don't personally care for using them at towns and such because the expansion of those communities will end up putting a post at their edge deeper and deeper in with time, maybe not in a few months but eventually. Putting them on roads and at strategic points however, they'll always be useful. Plus, there's something to be said about having a standardized "outpost" design where we can use a series of casting-moulds and basically pour the majority of the structure in a week or two - then just outfit it after that more slowly; the majority of the defensive capability comes from having concrete walls and such after all, not high tech systems so even just the building's shell has a lot of value.
There's also the potential to attach these to small automatic defense posts that form a perimeter - a Gatling laser on a concrete plinth essentially say - drawing power and such through cables to the outpost, centralising and protecting expensive equipment in return for just a bit more copper wiring to connect stuff up, while also helping them project security in their local area a lot more effectively.
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>>6250648 >Salvatores Well that's not good. Maybe we should try to hunt down their boss personally before this becomes a major issue, interrogate him then either kill him or send him home to tell the rest of the New Reno vermin that they're not welcome in our city.
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>>6250648 While this isn't the best first impression, I believe we should be able to work this to our advantage. Assuming the Salvatores don't decide to ignore us. Best case scenario, we get them to clean up their act and have them become another Family.
Man, this makes me wish my vote to have Kreger deal with them would've won. This would've been a much more interesting conversation, and likely given us more information and context for the Salvatores and why they might be here to begin with. Anonymous
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>>6250863 >Best case scenario, we get them to clean up their act and have them become another Family. Nah, "House Renovations" Mk2, New Reno Boogaloo. Gotta expand and what better way to do it than taking over the only other major tourist spot in the wastes? Subvert the local Salvatores - use our plastic-surgery auto-docs to replace lieutenants and capos, go full-on Invasion of the Body Snatchers until we've got the entirety of the Salvatores subverted from the inside - then we move onto the other families of New Reno, if they're still around...
Once we've control of New Reno, they just so happen to petition to join us, totally fair and democratic!
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>>6250824 >Lovely you clip out the latter part of the sentence where I explicitly say"especially as additional...agriculture comes under our control". It didn't really affect my argument that we're vulnerable right now. Apologies if you interpreted that as misrepresentation.
>I can't imagine driving cattle along the Long 15 would be at all profitable for sale back in the NCR compared to selling them locally Probably not as much, but still plenty enough to be worth it if we stop being a viable market for whatever reason. They do have some manner of highways back West, so a brahmin baron of means can probably shuttle loads of cattle from out here with relatively little difficulty once they reach the Long 15.
>we are not vulnerable to him because our ability to escalate far outstrips his own Given that he is a brahmin baron in the NCR and Kimball is still in power, I think he could at least severely damage relations with the NCR and empower their imperialist faction.
- and - escalation assumes a hostile relationship which I do not think is actually present.
True, but he does have a reputation for hostility in both his personality and business endeavors, and while we're cordial right now it remains to be seen how he'll respond when we start setting limits (hard or otherwise) on his efforts.
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>>6250885 *and empower their imperialist faction, possibly setting the stage for another war later.
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>>6250885 >It didn't really affect my argument that we're vulnerable right now. Well yeah but we've no need to confront him right now, at least while we've plenty of easy routes to work against his influence in Bonnie Springs and elsewhere.
>Probably not as much, but still plenty enough to be worth it if we stop being a viable market for whatever reason. They do have some manner of highways back West, so a brahmin baron of means can probably shuttle loads of cattle from out here with relatively little difficulty once they reach the Long 15. I mean maybe but the actual difficulty in terms of feeding and watering any large amount of cattle travelling along that stretch of desert would limit him a lot I'd assume.
>Given that he is a brahmin baron in the NCR and Kimball is still in power, I think he could at least severely damage relations with the NCR and empower their imperialist faction. Fair.
>while we're cordial right now it remains to be seen how he'll respond when we start setting limits (hard or otherwise) on his efforts. True, though that's partly why I push for the RMRP so hard - as in actions to accelerate it - because it offers the quickest route to outstrip his ability to compete with us. If we're the supplier of fertiliser, pesticides and farming tools, we can provide our own / non-Heck agriculture with them and massively expand our existing operations to compensate for any struggle with him, while also being able to drop the price of agricultural products below his ability to compete, making it so he can't even sell to the open market without losing out.
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>>6250888 >because it offers the quickest route to outstrip his ability to compete with us. I think this is the crux of our disagreement, because I don't think we'll be able to prevent him from expanding simply by expanding faster. He has a history of muscling people into giving up their land, and without a contract or even any laws limiting him the entire Mojave is basically free real estate until we specifically get around to telling him otherwise.
He's going to keep pushing his boundaries until he finds their limits, then stop just shy of that and treat that as the status quo. This is why it's imperative that we prioritize setting those limits asap, so that we're binding his future actions instead of attempting to force him to undo his past actions.
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>>6250891 >I don't think we'll be able to prevent him from expanding simply by expanding faster. Fair, though in my defense, that's not an expectation I have either. My expectation is that if we expand fast enough, his ability to create company towns will be overwhelmed by our own economic growth. If Heck goes from 18% of our economy and 50% of our agriculture to 8% and 30% then 3% and 20% then 0.5% and 8%, his importance in every sense diminishes. Past a certain point, the issue of his company towns stops being a balancing act between "our power" and "his power" because he is minuscule compared to us and so we can deal with him however we want within reason, because even soft-touch measures would have a massive effect.
The way I see it, Bonnie Springs is only possible because of the isolation that every wasteland settlement is currently under - the economic isolation outside of caravans due to the danger of the wastes means that it is very possible for a single organisation to dominate a settlement, even one as large as Vegas because there aren't easy ways for people to move about. IRL the same was true of actual company towns, they relied on the isolation of their communities from the outside world not only by rules but physically to prevent people easily leaving or seeking alternative opportunities. They also made use of scrip to isolate their workers economically, but we can definitely prevent that being an issue if it comes down to it by mandating all trade occur only in bottlecaps (or our own future currency!), with any NCR or Legion currency being exchanged at their respective border / held in trust until return journey or something. There's also the low average wealth and high costs to establish a lot of businesses which further complicates the ability for them to pursue an alternative to Heck / other robber-baron-esque figures. If you have no hope of ever opening your own business, even a bad but stable life under Heck beats out anything else you're going to achieve in the wasteland.
If we introduce railroads, we cut down on the danger and travel time, making it far more realistic for people to seek better opportunities. If we lower costs and raise wages, people have more freedom to pursue their own futures rather than just survival. If we squeeze his margins by improving the competitiveness of the Mojave economy, the benefit of a company town will diminish compared to the problems. Same goes if we spread our police force out across all the settlements and create some basic rules about property rights and such. Freedom of speech would be good too...I don't know if I'm making any progress in making my point clear or if you feel I'm repeating myself or not...
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>>6250901 Point I'd put it as most simply is that Company Towns rarely lasted IRL even without anti-trust / anti-monopoly actions. My concern is therefore on expanding our economy so that, if Heck does overstep his boundaries, we can act against him without having to fear him going "I guess no one is eating my cattle now" and that if he doesn't overstep his boundaries, we have enough independent agriculture and economy to force him to reverse the actions we don't like.
I don't think any sorts of confrontation short term would work out or is particularly likely and I do honestly think that if we improve the economic situation in our country sufficiently, the entire problem might resolve itself. After all, it doesn't matter if Bonnie Spring is a Company Town if everyone moves out to go work in factories in Vegas or they struggle to compete with imports of Brahmin from the Legion / Utah where the wages are lower (thanks to the effect of the factories in Vegas / economic development raising the price of labour) or any other number of possibilities. I mean a easy one to imagine is if we keep the Onions Green process a state secret and set up farms and factories to mass-produce it. At that point we'd dominate agriculture and meat becomes purely luxury.
>He has a history of muscling people into giving up their land, and without a contract or even any laws limiting him To be fair, that's a bit like saying he can shoot workers that quiet because there's no contract or laws limiting him. Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree that our reliance on the "unwritten" social contract / common law of the wasteland rn limits our ability to interdict various problematic actions he can undertake, but there are limits on what he can do. Worst comes to worst, we establish public petitions and if someone comes to us with such a thing, we go down hard on him and make it very clear he brought it on himself by failing to play fair with our people in our nation.
>the entire Mojave is basically free real estate until we specifically get around to telling him otherwise. I mean we can resolve that in part - one idea I'd been toying with is using land-grants as a way to convert our soldiers (and other highly paid professionals) into a new landed class and to add another benefit to significant service. Similarly, a "land lottery" where people can buy tickets for a chance to get an allotment of land + the caps to start it would be a decent way to generate income and spread out some of our surplus lands. Can't do much about him buying land off of them mind you, not unless we want to impose restrictions around maximum land ownership by a single individual or something.
>He's going to keep pushing his boundaries until he finds their limits, then stop just shy of that and treat that as the status quo. Well then we could try actually directly setting limits rather than discussions around soft power and manipulating circumstances. If that's the only thing he'll actually respect.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:iWltX79t Sat 31 May 2025 13:21:10 No. 6250912 Report >>6250824 Ted: A lot of prior experience doesn’t really apply out here due to there being no real centralized government, my father owning such a large portion of the food for the region and there being no local or NCR congressional figures to bribe. We’re in very uncharted water and you know how temperamental he can be. Ultimately he respects the word of law of when backed by force but I’m sure that wouldn’t make him too happy. Remember, he came out here to escape the laws, taxes and regulations of the NCR. If there’s this much worry about the Company Town, you could always just go there?
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>>6250902 >Well then we could try actually directly setting limits rather than discussions around soft power and manipulating circumstances. If that's the only thing he'll actually respect. That's all I'm really rallying for. Just a diplomatic action where we sit down with him and get a contract formalizing our agreement and establishing his rights and limits in the Mojave.
He's a businessman, and while I'm sure he'll try to finagle his way around anything he agrees to I think this will dissuade the bulk of the exploitation he would otherwise attempt and essentially keep him (mostly) honest in his dealings here.
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>>6250912 That's an awful brief response for an awful lot of questions but fair enough.
>>6250916 Entirely reasonable, though personally I'd frame it as less about him and more about the other NCR businessmen who've came around. "We trust you but we can't be seen to play favourites too much" sorta angle to hopefully soften the blow / convince him our hands are tied to a degree.
>8ANSS Great point Capatcha, we could also look at banning a few practices that are what make company towns so dangerous. As prior mentioned, company scrip as payment but I'd also highlight the garnishing of wages as punishment - if there's no outside supervision, it's entirely plausible he'll manage to use that to basically force employees into a no-win situation where their wages are garnished for imagined failings while they accumulate debt to the company until they can't actually ever afford to pay even the interest to their debt. Entirely seriously though, this is a low priority concern to me compared to the organised crime or the fact we've still not made use of Black Mountain to advertise Vegas...or asked the BOS what their chapter masters / elders want to have in terms of relations with us now that Broken Hills is back in contact.
Also, now that we've got our first infantry company, one possible use for them that isn't listed but makes entirely logical sense - and slightly inspired by Caesar's Legion / the Romans - is we should try to use them as labour for construction and such. Specifically, roadworks seeing as we're probably going to deploy them to protect the NCR trade and tourism route - since that'd let us relieve the Securitrons there to instead make use of their combat power elsewhere.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:mogF2Ypg Sat 31 May 2025 22:20:13 No. 6251132 Report Quoted By:
The Outsider’s Pox, as it’s so affectionately named by the Boomers, has the potential to rampage through the agriculture industry and the effects on Humans are worrying.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:mogF2Ypg Sat 31 May 2025 22:22:08 No. 6251134 Report *Research Notes from Project Olympiad*
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:dvK+fMGu Sat 31 May 2025 22:23:15 No. 6251135 Report (Took an impromptu beach day so I apologize for the relative slow of today. Ask any questions you still have about BB, let’s just assume Dr. Henry is within earshot or something. He’s near his radio.)
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>>6251134 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRKKKKK
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So this is an all hands on deck crisis, we have to inform the brotherhood see if we can get some scribes to assist our research team and we should send out warnings to all of our neighbors. Share all the technical information we know about the disease, proposed methods to limit its spread and mitigate damage. A outbreak anywhere even outside of our direct area of control has the potential to spiral wildly out of control. Furthermore we should begin an education campaign in our own territory add it to the radio program just to try and catch any outbreaks early until we have a permanent solution.
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>>6251134 ELIJAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Time to call the Brotherhood.
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>>6251134 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
>>6251134 Important question: are ghouls immune to this variant of the disease? If so, we should extensively recruit ghouls (and maybe the more intelligent super mutants) into a biohazard unit that we use to respond to any outbreaks.
>>6251151 I think these are all good ideas.
Inform the NCR, Legion, Brotherhood, and Utah tribes, and ensure that this information is public and accessible. The NCR are the only ones who might decide to be retarded with it, but I'm hopeful we can spin it as an objective threat with no obvious beneficial applications.
Also, I think we should take a sample to Big MT. Dala should be able to give a much more sophisticated analysis of the fungus, how it deviates from the Vault-22 strain, and potential cures or countermeasures that wouldn't be available without their sheer tech level.
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>>6251151 Ah, yes- inform all of our trade partners that we have a plague in New Vegas. I’m sure this’ll have no adverse effect on tourism and public safety at all.
>>6251134 Any hypothesis on how it got to us, Doc?
Otherwise, inform Ted about the situation so he can take the appropriate steps and not cause a blind panic in the region.
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Knowing that the NCR has scientists like Thomas Hildern, who are already interested in messing around with Vault 22's stuff, I'd advise that we not share this with California. It feels like asking for trouble.
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>>6251195 >>6251197 We don’t need an epidemic we have the opportunity to get ahead of this thing so I say we get ahead of it while we still can and just eat the economic consequences
Like it sucks and there are risks but we have to do something and I’d rather pull out all the plugs to get ahead of this thing instead of half assing it
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>>6251195 >prioritizing tourismbux over containing a virulent disease Go away, Hildern. You aren't a real scientist and you know it.
Jokes aside, keeping everyone informed about what's going on is the safest way of ensuring things stay under control. People aren't as innocent as you think they are; if you move secretively and are cagy about the reasons they'll realize something's up, and that's assuming the more idealistic factions like the Followers haven't already shared the basics with their allies. Just be transparent and upfront, and people will come to trust that we aren't spewing bullshit when we tell them whether things are under control.
That said, I think we should withhold the part about the disease being artificially engineered as a matter of national security. Share that part with only the high-level officials, and possibly not with the NCR at all given the OSI's proclivities.
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>>6251213 I agree with at least informing people of something that has a chance of going around. Makes us good Neighbors and hopefully they do the same. We can make money off the cure later.
>>6251178 Getting ghouls and mutants a job that saves lives can be good for rep. To keep people equal we can open it up to all types. Get that team work going and maybe get something better for it later down the road.
>>6251135 All good, you should enjoy your time.
>>6251134 Hey Dr. Henry, do you think we have the people with skills for a biohazard team?
Also I wonder if we can hire Keely since she was in the vault researching as well.
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>>6251222 >Also I wonder if we can hire Keely since she was in the vault researching as well. We never did the quest, so I think at this point Keely is still missing down in Vault 22. Probably dead by now, but not necessarily since ghouls can be tough as nails if they know how to survive.
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>>6251134 >The BB strain is shoddily modified in several key areas. For our interest, the rapid growth is replaced by more subtle infections of a host. Most interesting is its refusal to infect any mammals aside from Humans, something I’ve only seen in one other manufactured virus. Suggests it's been made intentionally - but the fact it's based on V22's stuff means it can't be a totally foreign source - it can't be from Utah or even the Legion probably, maybe the Enclave but this seems too amateurish for their work...Elijah era Brotherhood maybe? An attempt at a bio-weapon to attack the NCR? It could be a NCR project gone wrong...
>Because of the amateur work of this strain, the impact on a human is negligible at best. Some flu-like symptoms, minor agitation and some negligible respiratory aggravation. Well at least it's not hospitalisation worthy yet.
>The concern is further mutations, either natural or purposeful. The team has not come to a consensus on the reasoning or source of BB nor can we assume to be rid of it, but due to the nature of the strain, I consider it to be top-priority. As of right now we have no outbreaks or persistent infection but that's not likely to last if a wild source or third party continues to introduce it. Very concerning if, thankfully, a mostly hypothetical danger for right now.
>THERE IS STILL NOT A CURE Very concerning.
>we should consider any outbreak, especially in an urban setting, as exceedingly dangerous. Luckily for us, Securitrons are perfect for enforcing a quarantine - though we're still going to need some sort of quarantine site...
>only horticultural specimens that BB can infect are maize, wheat, potatoes and cactus fruit, which does happen to be the most common staples consumed by the Mojave. Okay, so, short term we should switch to barley, sorghum, millet, rice, oats and other "safe" grains, at least where we think a infection risk is likely. Potatoes we could substitute with turnips, sweet potatoes and so on too. The cactus fruit is a bit more of a bother since fast-growing fruiting plants (e,g those we'd need to quickly replace existing crops) are limited to stuff like berries - though I'd been thinking we might want to establish some vineyards, so grapes would be a decent idea too.
>transmission Standard respiratory dangers, can't be spread by meat (though human meat is unconfirmed). Standard isolation (quarantine) and disposal (incineration) ought to work.
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>>6251151 Informing the Brotherhood seems very wise. I'd suggest getting the followers in on this too, more than they already are I mean.
>A outbreak anywhere even outside of our direct area of control has the potential to spiral wildly out of control. In terms of spread yes, thankfully the current strain is only mildly problematic even if uncurable - though the fact the Boomers aren't continuing to be sickened by it implies the body can eventually clear it out right now...that or they're all carriers. We uh...we should check that.
>Furthermore we should begin an education campaign in our own territory add it to the radio program just to try and catch any outbreaks early until we have a permanent solution. That'll cause mass panic - a campaign of general education about various diseases and such rather than one focused solely on this will cause less panic and be generally beneficial too, since it could be months or years - if ever - before this crops up again.
>order CBRN equipment for our infantry company and police force God that's gonna burn a hole in our pocket, though luckily it seems like we just need gasmasks for it rather than hazmat suits. I'd advise getting flamethrowers too, just in case we have to torch some buildings (or hordes of spore crawlers if this shit goes horribly wrong).
>>6251202 >>6251213 He has a point, we've no current outbreaks and people learning about a new disease can only impact us negatively, but spreading knowledge between governments at the very least is necessary...ironically, this might give us an excuse to regulate the heck out of Heck, knocking two birds down with one stone. Hildern and such are not a high concern desu - if the NCR sends scientists and we don't like them, we can just refuse to work with them. We could just tell them that there's a new potentially-a-disaster disease about and hold the other details back though, if we're concerned about security.
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>>6251151 >CBRN equipment The cost and the upkeep of that will be very high, our police has just clothing uniforms and whatever pistols they had on their own. Infantry is just battle rifles and leather armor. It can be a future idea, but we have yet to set up both police and military with the basics (especially police) of equipment. And our local industry and manufacturies barely exist at all (and we should invest in making new jobs expanding leather production for example), so we would need to buy all of that CBRN equipment from outside.
Honestly we should go there and immolate the outside of vault 22, and then close it up. At least the largest amount of it will be contained. Beyond that Sanitation in NV is still on a border line, more bathhouses might be in order to make, an hospital would be nice and building a chapter house of the Followers is good (having them grow their numbers here would be a great idea). It will not save us from this problem if it happens but it will help the health of NV at least. And that on his own might help fight this (healthier bodies).
Most outside settlements lack proper clinics and doctors so we might want to resolve that after working on NV.
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>>6251289 >but spreading knowledge between governments at the very least is necessary So, a general warning about what we encountered and it's characteristics?
"We encountered an odd case of crop blight capable of spreading to and transmitting between humans. Although we believe we have contained and eliminated it, be on the lookout for <data attached>."
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>>6251305 >CBRN Luckily we just need something able to stop spores, not anything fancy that can neutralize chemicals or full-body suits.
>Additional measures An additional bath-house wouldn't be a bad idea by any means, if nothing else it acts as future-proofing against population growth. A hospital would be useful for this, though limited by the fact we don't really have any treatments for infected persons beyond monitoring their condition. More useful would be somewhere remote and secure for housing infectious persons - both for this and for any other plague...The NCRCF would be a decent idea - it being a prison and all. The location isn't perfect but frankly no location will be - anywhere that is easy to move people to runs the risk of escapees getting to settlements too easy, anywhere to hard to move people to is prohibitive to make use of / run. Better to rely on guards and fences than geographic isolation for now.
>Followers Chapterhouse Definitely a goal.
>proper clinics and doctors Our best bet for that is probably some sort of mobile clinic system, which'd be good to develop anyway for our future military needs
>>6251311 Yep - mentioning the origin as Vault 22 isn't necessary, though we could mention it seeming to be engineered (if incompetently).
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 01 Jun 2025 15:17:05 No. 6251394 Report >>6251222 Henry: No, only a few of the team have the common sense for proper biohazard procedures. Any samples we’ve taken have been with the advanced radiation suit which also doubles as CBRN protection. If we want to get to Enclave levels….well that’s a long ways away.
>>6251195 Henry: As for how it got to us, I have two theories. One is it was accidentally released by the Boomers themselves, either knowingly or unknowingly. Nellis was a major pre-war air base and I’m sure there was some naughty things locked up there. Otherwise we’re being used for a test bed or an actual biological attack. The NCR or Brotherhood are the only two I know capable of biological warfare. Why they’re targeting us if it’s purposeful? That’s a question to you, courier.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:oA/OCmf4 Sun 01 Jun 2025 17:45:33 No. 6251475 Report Quoted By:
Your agreement with Heck Gunderson hasn’t blown up in your face yet and you begrudgingly admit that food is nearly as cheap now as it was before the second battle. There’s more than a few reasons to be wary of “NCR Investment” but you’ve proven capable of standing up to external pressure and if nothing else, there’s always the Legion across the river.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:oA/OCmf4 Sun 01 Jun 2025 17:46:34 No. 6251476 Report Having pulled you aside before dinner started, Cass informed you that Lundstrom represents the heavy industry of the group, ranging from firearms and farming equipment to consumer goods like vehicles and radios. Ms. Yen represents a high-tech group that covers the production of energy weaponry, aircraft, cybernetics, pharmaceuticals and a series of research labs throughout the NCR. Finally, Hoss represents a conglomerate of the ultra-wealthy in the Republic and Vault City who seek to expand luxurious getaways and havens for the uber wealthy.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 01 Jun 2025 20:20:15 No. 6251555 Report The NCR Representatives took the surprise of flying just as all as the two secretaries did but between your honeyed words and the prospect of doing something very few in the wasteland have, it was an easy sell. Daisy was over the moon about flying again but you did warn her to take it slow and take it easy.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 01 Jun 2025 20:21:17 No. 6251556 Report Quoted By:
Lundstrom: There’s nothing like this out West, but I’m sure you know that. I never thought some piece of concrete was worth all the blood and gold spent out here but I don’t know….you certainly have a winning hand with this and Lake Mead. With this damn running at nearly 50% of full capacity, the possibilities are endless. Ms. Yen may be able to assist with some of the more delicate components, as well as training and further staffing of this facility. Courier, just think about the heavy industry that can be fueled by such cheap energy….
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>>6251555 hi Shi agents, Nice to see you haven't been consumed by the NCR.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 01 Jun 2025 21:05:49 No. 6251577 Report The rest of the tour goes as well as hoped, with the NCR contingent particularly impressed by the beautiful mountain scenery of Mt. Charleston. Hoss made a particularly tasteless comment about gassing the super mutants and turning Jacobstown back into a ski resort. >Mojave will match 300,000 to the NCR’s 550,000 over six months to create critical industry and improve tourist destinations. >Also opens direct access to lucrative NCR markets and high-tech merchandise not normally available >Accept >Deny >Negotiate (what aspect)
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>>6251577 >Negotiate (what aspect) >Setting up education or trade centers for those specialized personal coming in so we can maintain said 'locations'. We will of course help pay for it or off-set the cost. Anonymous
>>6251577 >Accept I want to accept since the jobs and production nearby would be a lot of help. The real cost would be resources spent and sent over to ncr. Yet not like we can use it for a while for now.
>Negotiate Probably see about adding priority on scrap to give us an idea of what goes out and keep some key resources. For the service industry we will want to see about small business protection. To keep the families and local people happy and business growing. Last thing I can think of at the moment is for apprenticeship program or limit non-competition agreements.
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>>6251596 Oh yeah while not the biggest worry as of yet. We will want to get Environmental Protections to keep the farm lands and water safe.
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>>6251583 Support, but something just hit me; We need to see to House again.
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>>6251577 >and unlike Heck, we don’t plan on claiming any land out here. So if they don't want land, are they going to own the new businesses themselves, or are they just hoping to develop an area willing to do stuff the NCR doesn't?
If they're going to own the new businesses I'd like an agreement where we can moderate the expansion of their operations on our land when necessary.
Maybe I just can't into reading comprehension right now, but I want to be sure of their angle before I agree
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 01 Jun 2025 21:58:11 No. 6251625 Report >>6251617 They're going to own the businesses definitely. I think he just means they wont de facto control vast tracts of land
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>>6251202 I don't particularly care about the economic consequences this situation would bring if we share it. This is a matter that could potentially be used for misguided causes in the future (like with how the spores were originally used for the purposes of better agriculture), if not now then in a future generation of NCR scientists. Which is why I don't recommend trusting the OSI.
>>6251394 To Dr. Henry: How much money and technical experience will we need if we want to get to Enclave levels?
>>6251577 >Deny If they would've allowed us to own the businesses we fund then I would be more tempted. But here we'd basically just be giving them money so they can have more influence and economic control over the Mojave.
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>>6251625 Okay, thanks.
Also, we may as well do the obvious and ask Cass and Francine what they think of the deal and if any obvious dangers are jumping out at them.
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>>6251632 >Also, we may as well do the obvious and ask Cass and Francine what they think of the deal and if any obvious dangers are jumping out at them. Supporting this.
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>>6251583 >>6251596 >>6251598 I'll support these
>>6251599 House is comatose. The Sink Auto-Doc said he'd have the Jukebox get into contact with us if House wakes up.
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>>6251632 More input shouldn't hurt.
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>>6251632 Oh yeah we should do that.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 02 Jun 2025 00:07:02 No. 6251674 Report >>6251632 >>6251634 Garret: Outside investment is going to cut a lot of time and effort off of building up specialized domestic industry. It’s not a surprise that they want ownership of the company. If there’s any broad rules you want to make clear I’d make them clear but if you don’t want private investment, it’s all going to have to be state-run.
Cass: I agree with Francine, to an extent. It’s true that it’s not realistic to expect such a massive investment and not have them own the locations. If you want to maintain control, you could offer them a percentage of the state company. We’d be on the hook for building, staffing and suppling them and we’d be on the hook for giving them a cut every month whether we actually make that money or not. There’s different ways about it but I don’t know if there’s a silver bullet. Choice is yours, six.
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>>6251577 >Accept >Negotiate Buyout clause, if we ever want to nationalise these companies. Just in case.
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>>6251674 >Deny But in the likely event that doesn't win, I'm going to throw my support behind
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>>6251577 >Negotiate (try to increase the size of their investment) >Accept First priority is build an economy worth a dam (heh).
See if we can seduce Ms. Yen into developing a ‘deeper relationship’, since I think it’ll be a novel use of the Lady Killer perk.
>>6251631 >If they would've allowed us to own the businesses we fund then I would be more tempted. But here we'd basically just be giving them money so they can have more influence and economic control over the Mojave. I would be fine with us buying shares, but ownership is less of an issue when you’re the government who can nationalize something on a whim.
Really this is us spending 300k caps to gain 800k cap value in the Mojave economy.
>>6251674 Embrace the China Strategy of milking the investments then just doing what we want anyway. I don’t want to micromanage an economy of bureaucrats, I want insane growth in 3-5 year timespan to fuel the RMRP into hyperdrive!
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>>6251577 Let's run those numbers a bit. 300,000 caps over 6 turns is 50,000 per turn is 52.083% (50,000 / 96,000) of our current surplus going by the numbers back here
>>6248615 . We've started paying the NVPD so our known surplus has dropped from 96 to 76 thousand - so now it'd be 65.789% of our monthly surplus assuming no growth in our economy (entirely unrealistic given this is a massive investment into the Vegas region). Similarly, we spent 25,000 on raising our first infantry company. Our treasury therefore, thanks to the -20,000 in income and -25,000 from treasury, should stand at 320,000 caps.
Very simply put, assuming 0 economic growth over the next 6 months in terms of our tax revenue and no changes in expenses, we could throw 600,000 caps in and still end up with 176,000 caps surplus over the period. If we assume even 1% growth-per-turn in revenue? 192,000 caps. They're definitely going to bring more than just 1% growth if nothing else by lowering the cost of agricultural tools making it easier for farms to expand. Supposing 3% economic growth (entirely reasonable), we end up with 226,000.
>Questions Supposing we offered double the subsidization, and understanding that a greater investment may not be easy for your represented parties to afford or trust on a short notice, what alternatives in terms of incentive might we acquire? Would a percentage ownership, though non-majority, of the companies formed / operations ran within our territory be possible?
(Idea is that this would give us an additional source of income, a bit of control over the companies and encourage them to think of us as invested in their particular success rather than just the success of Vegas. This is a strategy used IRL by the chinese to control foreign investment - all the companies which are foreign owned have to establish a branch company that has Chinese government control to varying degrees which lets them shape the decisions of the company within China. We can't probably get that, but getting even 5% of these companies would give us access into their inner workings and mean future expansion of these businesses generates more cash for us).
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>>6251742 >See if we can seduce Ms. Yen into developing a ‘deeper relationship’, since I think it’ll be a novel use of the Lady Killer perk. Very based and a good idea.
>I would be fine with us buying shares, but ownership is less of an issue when you’re the government who can nationalize something on a whim. Thing is nationalising things can spook other investors, even with at-or-above market value compensation, buying them out from the inside generally promotes less panic.
>Embrace the China Strategy of milking the investments then just doing what we want anyway. I don’t want to micromanage an economy of bureaucrats, I want insane growth in 3-5 year timespan to fuel the RMRP into hyperdrive! Yep - as fun as playing the Popular People's Free Republican Liberation Army of the Mojave and Global Proletariat would be, that definitely seems like a harder route.
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It might also be worth mentioning the RMRP to them - not the full extent of the plan so much as the intact pre-war facilities we're looking to bring back online. They want to establish scrap sorting and processing for example - we're looking to bring the NV Steel back online which has obvious synergy - but also might compete with whatever they intend to build. If they want to establish a recycling furnance/forge, best to direct their energies to getting it online than anything else, no?
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:W0fBeVpg Mon 02 Jun 2025 11:27:24 No. 6251857 Report >>6251795 Yen: If you could double your investment, we will increase ours to 1.5 Million NCR dollars as well as indicate the Mojave as the highest-priority region for our group. That may not sound worthwhile on the surface but you would soon see a steady increase of highly-educated personnel from our syndicates and passive development in smaller business as well as regular larger investment from firms in the NCR due to the available educated manpower and infrastructure available. To throw in a bone, I would be willing to promise an aircraft manufacturing shop opening under here in the Mojave. Regarding the ownership concern, since you government would be fronting the caps, we could work out a sharing agreement. Due to political concerns we would like to remain majority holders however. 60-40.
The trio receive the renegotiation of a nationalization clause well, and training of lower and mid-level employees through work-training programs with government help of course. They cannot agree on giving the Mojave priority in scrap or other products and instead will sell on at market value.
Regarding protections on expansion, they make it clear they have no reason to carve out their little empire and are just after money. If anything, they argue, more expansion is just more money in the local’s pockets.
REVISED AGREEMENT
>Mojave will match 300,000 to the NCR’s 550,000 over six months to create critical industry and improve tourist destinations. >Also opens direct access to lucrative NCR markets and high-tech merchandise not normally available >Private-Government joint work education facilities with each contributing 50,000 caps. Will work in novice and apprentice level training. >Nationalization Clause: The Mojave Government may buy out the businesses set up by this charter at initial investment price plus 15% added to that baseline each year at a cap of 10 years. I’m going to leave this up for a few hours and get to working on the last two actions of the turn but I assume the people who already agreed will still agree so let’s see if this changes some minds.
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Okay, so, I know it'll be unpopular to suggest throwing more or less the whole treasury and income at this but for the love of god, can we please do it? As a percentage of investment we go from 35.3% to 47.6% which is pretty good considering all the benefits we get and, after all, it isn't like we can't secure loans or something if we desperately need more caps.
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>>6251857 >we could work out a sharing agreement. Due to political concerns we would like to remain majority holders however. 60-40. >they have no reason to carve out their little empire and are just after money. While I'm not sure I believe all of them on the second point, I'm still pretty sold on this.
Supporting this agreement.
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>>6251859 I think it is well worth it. Since we now have education, buy out, and have some shares to get us eyes in side.
If we are getting a source of airships a well. Then we would need to look into the airport or boomers for storage. Otherwise this is the bunker to likely hold a few.
>>6251857 I can agree to spending a bit more. We will be lean for a bit and still need 120,000 caps for stage 2 part B. Yet this investment will help that side of the plan as well.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:W0fBeVpg Mon 02 Jun 2025 14:02:03 No. 6251896 Report Okay it seems there’s a pretty good consensus on the original deal so I will consider that accepted. I doubt any of the original approval from anons would be reversed AFTER the requested changes were added.
Only thing left to decide on
>Increase Mojave funding to 600,000 over 6 months, in order to receive higher-level investment and greater passive investment as mentioned here >>6251857 >Accept the increase >Deny the increase Anonymous
>>6251896 >Deny the increase Dammit, the NCR's influence is gonna skyrocket because of this deal.
Well we should at least still have some money in reserve for any issues we have in the future.
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>>6251896 >Accept the increase It will make us have to be lean, but we get boost to a lot of our needs. With any hope for the exploration we may get some extra income to boost our Treasury.
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>>6251896 >Accept the increase We can ask the Families for a temporary tribute increase in the interim 6 months- once we explain that it’s going to increasing tourism for the uber-wealthy, I’m sure they’ll be willing to fork over the dough.
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>>6251896 >Deny the increase Don't think we should use up most of our caps. Leaves us too vulnerable.
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>>6251896 >Deny the increase Let's at least keep something in the tank for a rainy day. 6 turns is a very long time, after all.
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>>6251896 >Deny the increase Their investment is already a good thing regardless. Kudos to the anons that made these negotiations.
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>>6251896 >Accept the increase Considering I'm the one who suggested, it'd be crazy not to support it.
>>6251899 >Dammit, the NCR's influence is gonna skyrocket because of this deal. If you fear the NCR's influence, you surely mus'n't want to take the deal at all. If we are going to take the deal, let us take it by the horns - a minority share in the companies provides us some control over their decisions and a voice in their discussions.
>>6251915 >>6251919 Our deficit will only be 24,000 caps per turn at worst (e,g assuming no economic growth from it during the six months, which is physically impossible because all the stuff they're going to import in terms of equipment will be subject to at least some tariffs!) which means that at the absolute worst, in six months time, we'd have 176,000 caps. At any point prior to then, we will be above 200,000 caps which would be enough for the worst-case scenario recruitment of 4 infantry companies with no cost-reduction (which is not what would occur since we are producing armour and guns even as we speak).
>1st Month 320,000 - 24,000 = 296,000 >2nd Month 296,000 - 24,000 = 272,000 >3rd Month 272,000 - 24,000 = 248,000 >4th Month 248,000 - 24,000 = 224,000 >5th Month 224,000 - 24,000 = 200,000 >6th Month 200,000 - 24,000 = 176,000 As the above should help demonstrate, although it sounds like this will wipe out our cash reserve, the fact that it is over six months means that the loss of flexibility is minimized - especially because we can source additional income from alternative sources within the period if necessary. An easy example being the introduction of fines as a punishment for crimes to our newly enhanced police force OR seizure and sale of assets / proceeds of organised crime, to make tackling that problem solve another problem at the same time.
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QM, question for Cass and Garret, do they have any gut-instinct about what sorts of increase in our take from the Casinos or tariff income we'd see as a result of this? Any estimates from the consortium representatives or from Cass and Garret as the what sort of income our minority share of the companies/operations would bring?
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>>6251896 >Accept the increase Fuck it Shi, I'm game.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:W0fBeVpg Mon 02 Jun 2025 17:48:55 No. 6251947 Report >>6251944 Honestly, did not really consider profit to come in when I meant ownership but I’m nothing if not one to stick to the winds of change.
Garret: I couldn’t give you a firm number until we see what the investments look like and if they even pan out but assuming we own 40% of these companies, that’s tens of thousands of caps a month minimum. I’m sure we’d pay off this investment within two years short of something catastrophic happening. This also means we’re on the hook for costs and investments as well though so keep that in mind. I have yet to find a money-printer that you can leave alone. Besides New Vegas, of course.
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>>6251947 Don't we have a bottle cap press in the one factory?
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:W0fBeVpg Mon 02 Jun 2025 18:00:37 No. 6251953 Report Quoted By:
>>6251950 Yes, in the Sunset Sarsaparilla factory.
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>>6251906 >>6251911 >>6251942 >>6251946 >Accept >>6251899 >>6251915 >>6251919 >>6251931 >Deny >>6251947 >Honestly, did not really consider profit to come in when I meant ownership but I’m nothing if not one to stick to the winds of change. Yeah, I thought it was a bit odd how easily they gave up a huge portion of future profits, but I supposed the enthusiasm we were showing meant they'd want to reciprocate.
>This also means we’re on the hook for costs and investments as well though so keep that in mind. To be fair, minority shareholder - we're only on the hook in the same way Joe Q Public in the NCR is on the hook when he owns 5 shares.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:W0fBeVpg Mon 02 Jun 2025 19:06:07 No. 6251974 Report >>6251971 Won’t be saying that when they come begging the government for bailouts lmao
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>>6251974 That's what the nationalisation clause is for :)
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>>6251896 >Accept the increase Anonymous
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>>6251896 >>Deny the increase TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS
TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:W0fBeVpg Mon 02 Jun 2025 20:13:20 No. 6251996 Report Looks like we’re tied. Next vote wins it.
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We've all the reason in the world to triple down on our economy and its growth right now, undecided voters, lurkers and those willing to recast their vote. There will not be a point in coming years where we are not more likely to need our caps for something besides economic development because quite frankly, new issues that are harder to resolve are what we are likely to face in future. Every cap we invest today is worth two caps a year from now, speaking pessimistically, given how critical getting our industrial capacity rolling is to being able to construct, produce, research and improve various things.
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>>6251996 >Accept the increase TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS
TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:LFnjqkQS Mon 02 Jun 2025 21:06:50 No. 6252010 Report >>6252005 This wins it.
*monkey paw curls*
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>>6252010 One step closer to turning the Mojave into Night City.
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>>6252010 >*monkey paw curls* kek, based QM will punish our lack of foresight.
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>>6252010 Lmao
I still wanna hit on the Yen Lady Killer seduction ‘negotiations’ btw Survivalist.
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>>6252010 We demand the Rizzing of yen with our lady killer perk.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:LFnjqkQS Mon 02 Jun 2025 22:39:38 No. 6252046 Report You may be making a deal with the devil here but their expertise, their investments….this could put you years ahead of schedule on industrializing the Mojave. Sure you may trade a little influence to NCR businesses but what could they really do to you? As long as the caps keep flowing they’ll be fat and happy. >Agreement signed: 600,000 caps invested over 6 months, matched by 600,000 from the NCR >Private-Government ownership 60-40 >Private-Government joint work education facilities with each contributing 50,000 caps. Will work in novice and apprentice level training. >Nationalization Clause: The Mojave Government may buy out the businesses set up by this charter at initial investment price plus 15% added to that baseline each year at a cap of 10 years. >Your “close” relationship with Monica Yen affords you unique access to the Shi market with more rewards the stronger the relationship becomes
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>>6252010 Just caught up on this quest - love your work QM
I remember playing in the other Fallout quest based at Big Mountain, fun times! Not sure if you are the same guy.
That point aside, this is a relatively good deal, but there were a few things not covered:
>Who designs the training curriculum? If it’s NCR-run, it could indoctrinates our workforce with their values. >There is no set minimum employment quota, meaning that they could import a lot of NCR labour >It lacks an avenue for legal arbitration. I’m guessing due to our lack of a justice system, this would be done by NCR courts - and under NCR laws >It lacks a clause saying that if they pull out or breach terms, assets revert to New Vegas with no payout. Anonymous
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>>6252046 >Shi’ll Feel That In The Morning had me wheezing
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Tue 03 Jun 2025 01:06:32 No. 6252083 Report >>6252051 Thanks man! That one is actually my original inspiration for this iteration of the quest, he’s actually planning on resuming that within the next few months and lurks in these threads!
>>6252038 >>6252028 Survivalist ALWAYS delivers unashamed fan service
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Tue 03 Jun 2025 01:22:18 No. 6252094 Report >>6252051 Also great points.
1. The training regimen is tailored specifically for the jobs being brought to the Mojave. Thankfully this is service/tourism and manufacturing mainly, as well as some animal husbandry so all useful jobs for the region. And one these people are trained you can always pay these people to then train a new generation and on and on…
2. They could but honestly, it’s easier to train Freesiders in basic menial jobs and just import the specialists and upper management. It would be great if it was all home-grown but any jobs are good jobs right now. Down the line when unemployment is at a manageable level, perhaps you guys could be more choosey
3. There’s really no arbitration. If you guys ever hear about the NCR reneging or not following through with the spirit of the deal, that’s up for you to handle. Of course you could always just put that under one of your departments.
4. id say the nationalization aspect of it covers this. You’ll have enough warning if they start trying to decouple from the region and I think a lawyer could argue that gives you rights to the property without the buy out price.
Great observations, stick around, that’s the exact details that are needed to make sure you guys don’t get fleeced lmao
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>>6252083 Good on you for stepping up with a new quest! And very nice, would love to see it resumed
>>6252094 Thanks for the detailed responses - quells most of my concerns.
However, we should task one of our Departments (Cass?) with some work next turn.
Specifically we need to use our 40% stake strategically. This involves asserting our right to appoint a Board Director or two, receive annual business reports, co-sign for major capital decisions and facility locations.
Beyond that, we just need to be weary about the NCR importing loyalists to staff management / specialist roles. They will set cultural norms, policy direction, and hiring standards. Over time, this could become a soft occupation through economic governance.
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>>6252051 Hey! Another fan from the before times. I'm always very happy to hear there's those out there who enjoyed it.
I'm currently enjoying Survivalist quest. I intend to run once he's seen his glorious quest to fruition or if he needs a hiatus break. If even one person is interested, I vow to see it through.
>>6252038 >>6252028 Heh I love that this is such a universal thing for the Courier on many quests. Executor Courier had six kids iirc
that he knows of I'm curious what New Vegas President Courier will do in that regard.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 13:49:37 No. 6252277 Report Quoted By:
While it has been longer than you’d care to admit since you’ve met with your full council, everyone has had their hands full with increased staffing of their departments and the directives you gave them nearly two months ago. >Needs: Funding to look for other trading partners in the Wasteland.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 13:50:37 No. 6252279 Report Quoted By:
Garret: Thanks Shar. My department has been focusing on staffing the three main border crossings in the Mojave. We’ve made a lot of progress on tracking incoming and outgoing goods and feel like much of the missing income is now being brought in. Our top three physical exports, not including water and electricity from Hoover, are leather products, dried fruits and corn products. It goes without saying that these exports are very low compared with most of our income coming from The Strip. Our top three imports are medicine, manufactured tools and weapons. Until we receive new directives, my department is going to work on improving and increasing the tracking of revenue streams from the Strip and tariffs. >Needs: More employees to track imported and exported products. >Need: More infantry companies in training, opportunities to deploy standing infantry units. >Need: Give medical training to HHS, increase funding to improve research staffing and resources. >Need: Time to train, money to recruit from the NCR due to lack of personnel in Mojave
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 13:52:16 No. 6252280 Report Lewis: As you saw during the tour, we have Sloan up and running. Not sure what we’re using the concrete for but it’s here. Otherwise we have a series of mines we can begin work at but it’ll take a lot of money. I can shift some guys from Sloan but we’ll need machinery and more people to train with my boys. There’s a lot of opportunity here, especially with those gold mines that are more or less untouched. Though the NCR may start poking around sooner than later with all their investment in the region. I suppose the RMRP will alleviate some of these issues but I have concerns the plan isn’t as comprehensive as it is. >Need: More specialized machinery and money to hire Freesiders. Permission to begin gold mining >Need: Increased funding to assist with the rehabilitation of farms and education of farmers >Needs: Plan for housing in Freeside, materials and funding for better organized housing. Funding for more housing for orphans/elderly
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 13:54:19 No. 6252281 Report Quoted By:
Farkas: We’ve made massive strides the last few months on improving the health of Freeside and Novac. Regarding sanitation, the bath houses are a huge success and we want funding to build another 6 to facilitate the current and expected growth of populations. Between the fixed auto docs and the small production of pharmaceuticals here in Freeside, we’ve been able to bring mortality rates in our clinics down to just under 30% which is fantastic. Our current and future goals are to bring that number even lower by fostering more medical production, community education on proper hygiene and waste disposal. We’re having difficulties in enforcing our “suggestions” on not dumping human waste and other garbage out on the street and I would rather not fine these people for what few caps they have left. >Need: Further bath house construction, consideration of clearing NV sewer system, further investment in pharmaceutical production >Need: advertising campaign in New Reno >Need: Parts to repair train and personnel to run it, Legion advisors for new road guidance, mining for asphalt material and equipment to lay it
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 13:56:24 No. 6252283 Report Nash: The oldest for last, eh? Well besides Raul of course. Well we’ve set up a couple checkpoints to act as rest stops for the couriers and plan on expanding them for travelers in general. We had a successful bounty program and discontinued it due to not knowing if the ears we were being brought actually belonged to raiders. The more work we make to help travelers and messengers get around, the smaller the region will seem. That’s all from me.>Need: More funding for traveler checkpoints/rest stops
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 14:29:24 No. 6252290 Report Alright, I apologize for that huge post. The weight of bureaucracy is beginning to crush the courier (and me).
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Rolled 22 (1d100) >>6252283 >We’re a conglomerate of towns swearing fealty to you here in New Vegas. Sounds about right - our benevolent dictatorship is going great
>There’s beginning to be a clamor for representation, or at least a plan to get us there. They want leaders who can be elected to better represent the wants and needs of these communities, and many of us think that’s a great idea. Ahh, democracy…with our barely functioning society and economy? I think not. Hasn’t worked for the NCR either.
Though I do agree that our fledgling neo-Singapore nation needs more fleshing out.
>>6252290 Rollin
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Long time lurker here, but I want to throw my hat in for the idea of a government form.
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Rolled 43 (1d100) >>6252283 >Finally, I know you’re tired of getting bugged about it but what are we really doing here? We’re going to the Moon Cass~
Space, the final frontier!
>we’re not a nation We’ll need to fix that. Travel around the region, get a shared identity going.
>>6252290 Aww, was hoping for some bounty if we roll well.
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>>6252283 Right, so going down the list:
>Needs: Funding to look for other trading partners in the Wasteland. Depending on how much funding we're talking about, slide this in somewhere, it's not critical to do however, compared to some of the others.
>Needs: More employees to track imported and exported products. This is probably one of our highest priorities since our exports are going to grow in future while our imports should start to shrink as we start producing stuff ourselves. In terms of growing income, this is fairly sure-fire.
>Need: More infantry companies in training, opportunities to deploy standing infantry units. Definitely should get another infantry unit in training - only question is if we wait to have 200 guns or not. In either case, may be worth purchasing additional leatherworks to cut costs further. As for deploying infantry units - splitting it down into 40 man units, scatter one to each of the border points and then two to securing Vegas? Securing trade routes?
>Need: Give medical training to HHS, increase funding to improve research staffing and resources. >Need: Time to train, money to recruit from the NCR due to lack of personnel in Mojave Low priority, enough said.
>Need: More specialized machinery and money to hire Freesiders. Permission to begin gold mining Mixed priority imo - not particularly bothered to start gold mining just yet but definitely want to give them the cash to expand operations at Sloan.
>Need: Increased funding to assist with the rehabilitation of farms and education of farmers High priority. More food is a obvious good, even setting aside being able to make biofuel.
>basic farm (will be on pastebin). Nice.
>Needs: Plan for housing in Freeside, materials and funding for better organized housing. Funding for more housing for orphans/elderly Low priority, we're creating additional housing here and there intermittently as we bring additional facilities online (e,g farmsteads). Restoring Nelson, Cottonwood Cove and Nipton would be easy ways to get a bit more housing however and worth considering.
>Need: Further bath house construction, consideration of clearing NV sewer system, further investment in pharmaceutical production High priority. The sooner the strain on the Followers to act as doctors-in-triage is gone, they can offer more in terms of education and other services.
>Need: advertising campaign in New Reno Sweet and simple, shouldn't cost all that much either, throw it on whenever.
>Need: Parts to repair train and personnel to run it, Legion advisors for new road guidance, mining for asphalt material and equipment to lay it Train is critical, concrete can serve in place of asphalt if needed, legion worth talking to.
>Need: More funding for traveler checkpoints/rest stops Definitely worth doing. The sooner travel and trade is 100% protected, the sooner we can focus our military on expansion.
>what are we really doing here? Complex question, needs lots of discussion.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 15:15:09 No. 6252302 Report >>6252297 >bounty Oh you’re gonna be disappointed anon lmao
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>>6252295 I had some thoughts as well Anon, went in quite a different direction.
>The New Vegas Directorate Our nation is not a pale imitation of American democracy or old world governance. It is not a feudal mix of raider chiefs and warlords. It is a benevolent, tightly controlled city-state federation - united, secure, and sovereign, forged by a leader who is not just another strongman, but a symbol of order and rebirth.
This is Neo-Singapore in the Wastes: militarily vigilant, economically vibrant, culturally proud, and governed by a single, incorruptible figurehead - the Courier.
The Directorate’s core belief is that civilization can rise again - but only through will, vigilance, and clarity of purpose. This is not a nation ruled by the mob or by memory. It is ruled by competence, sacrifice, and the strength to keep chaos at bay.
>The Courier: First Citizen of the Directorate We are not a king, but we are central to this nation. We are the Supreme Commander of the Mojave Guard, the Chief Arbiter of Justice and the Protector of the Founding Charter.
We are the embodiment of post-war rebirth, a living constitution, and a guardian of order. We don’t rule because we took power by force, we rule because no one else could have united the Mojave without becoming a tyrant or a puppet.
The Courier governs absolutely, but wisely:
- Governors are our Executive arm. They are appointed over key zones (New Vegas Strip, Freeside, Boulder City, Novac, Nellis, etc.). Each governor will be reviewed and re-authorized by us every two years. Their loyalty is to the Mojave, not to their own ambition.
- The Departments are our legislature. They draft rules, laws and regulations for us to approve.
- An independent judiciary will also be established to ensure laws are followed.
>Cultural Doctrine: The Reclaimed Future This is not nostalgia for the Old World - it died in fire and arrogance. We will build something new: cleaner, smaller, smarter, stronger.
Core Pillars of National Identity:
* Discipline – Everyone has a duty. m
* Loyalty – The state rewards service.
* Security – Crime is low because punishment is guaranteed.
* Progress – Scientific knowledge is pursued and shared.
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>>6252295 >how much should these politicians be paid? If we're taking inspiration from the early British system, they weren't. This limited the ability of less wealthy individuals to take part but equally, such men often didn't have the support or resources to run a campaign anyway.
>And hey, this would be the third position between NCR’s democracy and the Legion’s absolutism. Agreed, though I'd prefer a slightly weaker parliament.
What I would say is that a system of government does not a country make. What matters is a unifying culture - a foundational myth that convinces everyone from Freeside to Goodsprings that they are unified in some sense. For that, we've a number of good routes I'd suppose. Leaning on American symbolism has some little power, everyone around us is American by ancestry after all and it is a history claimed by the NCR too to a degree - though we'd probably have some tricky time working that into being a constitutional monarchy, it wouldn't be impossible.
If we want to get ourselves a unifying image of ourselves as a nation, first thing I think we've got to get started is some sort of public schooling system to...indoctrinate is a nasty word but exactly that for the next generation. Further, commissioning plays and other such things based off of the story of our life or the lives of those around us (e,g Cass, Raul, etc) to build up a mythos of a set of exceptional founders could be good too, though it is a bit too much cult-of-personality.
In terms of popularity building actions, I can think of three easy areas to focus down on: maternity; malnutrition; malaise. Building a hospital with a focus on natal and child healthcare to cut down on the death rate of the youngest will not only be hugely popular and save a lot of vital resources, it would also raise our population growth rate and help make Vegas a more desirable place to live for immigrants. Similarly, though King has created soup kitchens, we could make a big deal out of producing nutritional supplements and fortifying the food distributed from them. Lastly, employing people in projects that result in significant and visible positive progress can only generate a unifying feeling.
Frankly though, there is a point to be made that nations-as-a-project / nations-with-a-goal are inherently fragile. What we ideally want is a nation defined by its heritage and people. For that I suggest we turn to the idea of Mr House - House the Marty, House the Visionary, House...who "chose" us as his successor. Who protected all of Vegas from atomic fire as best he could. If we do go that route however, don't mention his reason for doing so, rather undermines the aspects we're wanting to highlight.
Ultimately, I would argue that a national identity will forge itself as a natural consequence of our actions if we are smart; if we produce our own cultural works, if we create pride in our accomplishments, if we can create distinctions between ourselves and those around us.
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I don't care what we do, we just need to check in on House soon. Otherwise he'll cook up some plan to kill us, somehow.
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>>6252295 I can appreciate the effort you put behind this, but I'm personally not a fan of the idea.
Having a parliament will necessitate us ceding influence and being held accountable to the representatives instead of it being the other way around, which would give us less say in matters of national decision making. Even if parliament is made weaker, it lays the groundwork for strengthened representatives and less influence of the Courier in order to make a 'fairer' democracy.
But if we do implement democracy, we should make it a direct democracy in at least some levels rather than trusting elected representatives. But even then, generally speaking, people usually elect the least worse option in democracy, leading to things like the company town Heck got control over. Not to mention that representative/parliamentarian and decentralized system of autonomous democracies can easily become corrupted. And having to deal with people like Joseph Steyn when they inevitably get elected by sweet-talking their way to being voted into office doesn't sound like something we can reasonably deal with when both the NCR and Legion are breathing down our necks.
And on a personal/meta level, monarchies are so common in qst that I've suffered from a fatigue of them lmao
>>6252303 This sounds pretty good. I'd be willing to back it if it comes to a vote.
>>6252317 I agree. Has he gotten up from his coma yet?
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A few other thoughts; If we do implement some type of democracy we should lean more into the 'cult of personality' that the Courier (sort of) more or less has, to make sure that we don't lose influence in our own nation and allow corruption to rise up.
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>>6252317 Have you guys done anything with him or his brain yet? Is his brain conscious like ours was? We should speak to it first.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 17:36:14 No. 6252352 Report >>6252348 >>6252322 House is still unconscious, for as much as you guys know. You’re supposed to get a message from Big Empty when he’s conscious. If he becomes conscious.
>>6252308 >>6252303 >>6252295 Some great ideas floating around here, I’m sure the outcome will be somewhere inbetween. If you really wanted the middle ground of the NCR and Legion, you could just do a Roman Republic run. I’m sure Caesar would love that lmao
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>>6252322 If we are going with a voting system, it needs to be of people who provide a benefit to the system, like a service grantees citizenship model. We don’t want the influx of NCR immigration to control or influence the system, since it’ll just result in a soft annexation like the NCR may attempt to do later, once the government gets its head out of it’s ass.
>>6252323 I prefer to call our larger government system the Mojave Commonwealth- it just sounds better and leans into American heritage without being a direct rip-off of the NCR.
And considering how much of our personal wealth we put into this nation, it might as well be common lmao
As for a cult of personality, I wonder if Caesar is spreading a myth of a ‘Golden Calf’ as his successor, leading to a small courier cult in the Legion.
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>>6252352 >House is still unconscious, for as much as you guys know. You’re supposed to get a message from Big Empty when he’s conscious. If he becomes conscious. We'll have to wait for him, then. Thank you for clarifying, QM.
>If you really wanted the middle ground of the NCR and Legion, you could just do a Roman Republic run. I’m sure Caesar would love that lmao kek but in all seriousness that doesn't sound like too bad of an idea.
>>6252354 >If we are going with a voting system, it needs to be of people who provide a benefit to the system, like a service grantees citizenship model. We don’t want the influx of NCR immigration to control or influence the system, since it’ll just result in a soft annexation like the NCR may attempt to do later, once the government gets its head out of it’s ass. I agree. The NCR's conquest strategy can be pretty difficult to deal with, since once you have the settlers come in (like the Squatters in Freeside) it's hard to get rid of them and their influence.
>I prefer to call our larger government system the Mojave Commonwealth Not a bad name. Especially since most people already call this place the Mojave.
>As for a cult of personality, I wonder if Caesar is spreading a myth of a ‘Golden Calf’ as his successor, leading to a small courier cult in the Legion. That would be a best-case scenario. Hopefully we can get Caesar to begin doing that once we're able to send correspondence to him from the Legion Embassy. Maybe get ourselves a few new armies for free if it's already happening lmao
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 18:00:23 No. 6252361 Report There’s plenty of pressing things that are pulling you each and every way, but you’d be lying if the wastes don’t constantly call out to you. Before you were always constrained by how far you could walk in a day, or the occasional ride on the Brahmin cart on well-traveled roads.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 18:02:25 No. 6252363 Report Daisy is all too happy to go flying again, especially onto relatively uncharted territory. That being said, you defer to caution and have her land out of the way from the Hawthorne Depot to avoid any surviving automated defenses or anyone poking around the ruins. >Forget it, you have an entire country of old sites to visit. The NCR can have this one >Damn the Bear, you need to see what’s in there. You’ll leave the code case with the vertibird and sneak in to poke around. (Will roll for success) >Write-in
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>>6252280 >I have concerns the plan isn’t as comprehensive as it is. It could be worth having a revision of the plan as we get started into part B. Then we can add it to Stage 3: Return of Services or make Stage 2 a bit longer.
>...for export as salt is hard to come by around here. We can smoke or attempt dry aging if the humidity allows for it.
>Plan for housing in Freeside. Well the concrete will help us make blocks or if we can get the equipment to pour slabs. We will have to have the rail or trucks going for fast transport.
>representation Once we get that HQ fix up for government. We can probably start having reps come and let us know the needs or ask for things.
>start thinking about what you want it all to be Time to go off the deep end and say we all are couriers. All to life is to deliver the word or package.
Our 5 core tenets
Delivery: The words or item will be given to the target
Speed: Let none slow the job down. If there is task for long term speed gains do it. For there is always more things to deliver.
Security: The protection and guarantees safe delivery will be second to none.
Specialization: We must be become the best at what we do.
Local vs. Long Distance: The world and more will be with in our reach.
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>>6252363 >Damn the Bear, you need to see what’s in there. You’ll leave the code case with the vertibird and sneak in to poke around. (Will roll for success) Fuck ‘em, this shit is ours!
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>>6252364 I like the idea of one of our tenets being down-to-earth parochialism, to offer a contrast between us going to the stars to avoid a second extinction level event.
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Also, one of our tenets/reasons for governing is to deal with the alien threat as one of those Wacky Wasteland perk ideas.
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>>6252363 >Damn the Bear, you need to see what’s in there. You’ll leave the code case with the vertibird and sneak in to poke around. (Will roll for success) Curiosity is one of my biggest weaknesses. Maybe we can nab something interesting.
>>6252367 Based.
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>>6252363 >Damn the Bear, you need to see what’s in there. You’ll leave the code case with the vertibird and sneak in to poke around. (Will roll for success) We have come this far. We may as well check it out.
>>6252303 I do like the idea of this.
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>>6252361 After Yes Man has gotten upgrades. I wonder if it would be worth having them be our vice leader.
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>>6252374 I think our temp-Vice Courier should be the King (being the local leader of our largest population), with Kreiger having full control of the military in a crisis.
It’ll do the interim until either we can convince House to formally join us.
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>>6252352 >you could just do a Roman Republic run I mean "Service Guarantees Citizenship" is a decent model for determining who can vote and we can definitely do more than just military service for it to make the Followers happy.
>>6252354 Personally I'd prefer a name a bit grander than "Mojave Commonwealth", at least in what it says we want to claim - though I suppose it would make us about equal to the NCR in that regard...American Commonwealth maybe?
>>6252363 >Damn the Bear, you need to see what’s in there. You’ll leave the code case with the vertibird and sneak in to poke around. (Will roll for success) Well, I did predict that we'd need to get the jump on certain sites, annoyed but glad to see I was right - good news is now we can confirm the borders of the NCR a bit better...The IRL site has something like 2000~ bunkers, even if they've emptied half of that, that's still a thousand bunkers for us to sneak through...assuming they've even managed to get most of them open. In any case, if we're masked up and shit, when spotted we can just start crying out some Brotherhood of Steel shit to false-flag and make this easily deniable.
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>>6252378 Triumvirate is a classic for a reason: avoids single point of failure in the executive and avoids deadlock while also allowing each to focus on different areas of state.
>>6252379 Oh to explain the image here, that's where we are rn. Kinda unsurprising a location so close to Reno / the NCR is already under their control.
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>>6248615 updooted the pastebin with a few changes and additions
>>6252303 >>6252308 >>6252364 interesting ideas
>>6252354 >‘Golden Calf’ maybe.
The clear thing for me is that he wants us to abandon our "weaknesses" (anything he doesn't like about us or that goes against the Legion) so to speak before making it official. He wouldn't want a successor that is too culturally different or even going against, some of the rules he made for the Legion. He would find himself with just another civil war on his hands if he did that lol (and that's funny with how many civil wars the Romans did)
>>6252363 >Damn the Bear, you need to see what’s in there. You’ll leave the code case with the vertibird and sneak in to poke around. (Will roll for success) Anonymous
>>6252379 > Personally I'd prefer a name a bit grander than "Mojave Commonwealth", at least in what it says we want to claim - though I suppose it would make us about equal to the NCR in that regard...American Commonwealth maybe? When we get bigger we can call ourselves the United Commonwealth of America.
As for the BoS… I mean, we could ally with the local tribals, but another option is to tag-team in with the BoS and share the wealth of a successful raid/occupation.
>>6252380 Caesar would absolutely get a kick out of it lmao
>>6252381 While that may be true, Caesar’s also called us his son and the Legion our inheritance- I imagine he wouldn’t make it obvious that he means the Courier is the Golden Calf beyond a close inner circle, but there will need to be some groundwork laid to help the Legion transition from a post-Caesar dictatorship that isn’t full of rats.
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>>6252352 >House is still unconscious, for as much as you guys know. I presume this includes his brain as a separate entity (if houses brain functions like such). From our own brain we do know it could fall asleep and snooze, interestingly while we ourselves were awake.
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>>6252383 >As for the BoS Oh no, that bit about the BoS was purely in case we get spotted during this infiltration at Hawthorne, since we're not exactly wanting to admit that we're here and doing that shit...
>Caesar would absolutely get a kick out of it lmao Very much so. I mean there is the temptation to lean into Greco-Roman aesthetic for ourselves desu - I mean I /had/ been thinking about suggesting an eventual expansion out north-west to Carrara, Nevada - an old ghost town that has high quality marble deposits. Perfect for export to the Legion so Caesar can stroke his Romaboo boner and for us to build fancy shit with.
https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/2013/jun/20/nevadas-marble-ghost-town/ Anonymous
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>>6252383 >help the Legion yeah i am thinking about helping them all right ....to their grave that is lol
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>>6252363 >Damn the Bear, you need to see what’s in there. You’ll leave the code case with the vertibird and sneak in to poke around. (Will roll for success) TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS
TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 19:21:15 No. 6252396 Report Okay, it’s unanimous. You’re not letting some pimple-faced conscript from The Boneyard stop your God-given right to loot
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>>6252283 Cold day in hell before we form a senate that can be corrupted by pay-pigs in the west and east.
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Rolled 65 + 8 (1d100 + 8) >>6252396 LEMME IN
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Rolled 48 + 8 (1d100 + 8) >>6252404 Let's try that again.
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Rolled 19 + 8 (1d100 + 8) >>6252396 Rolling.
>>6252383 I know I've said this before but we should start writing to him as the Legion Embassy gets done.
>>6252393 That is an excellent product for trade with the Legion. And the idea of making some Roman stuff for our own country sounds fun. I mean, just about every western nation has Roman aesthetics. I mean, in America you have statues of George Washington dressed like a Roman emperor in the captial lmao
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Rolled 3 + 8 (1d100 + 8) >>6252396 Oh baby please make this a Royal Flush
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Rolled 33 + 8 (1d100 + 8) >>6252396 TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS
TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 20:54:28 No. 6252443 Report Quoted By:
Fuck that. You may not be able to sneak away with crates of rifles but you’re not leaving here without knowing what’s in that facility. If nothing else, you’re going to break into a few of those bunkers scattered across the desert.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 20:55:58 No. 6252444 Report But you don’t and you exit the rear of the facility and head to the countless bunkers annoyed at the potential waste of time this whole endeavor is. >Leave it and get outta here. You can’t carry anything and there doesn’t seem to be any other POI here. At least you’re aware the NCR has this place in Nevada. >If I can’t have it, no one can. You place your C-4 at strategic points to blow it all sky high and deprive the NCR of their weapons of war. It won’t destroy the facility but should erase months of progress. >Write-In
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>>6252444 >>If I can’t have it, no one can. You place your C-4 at strategic points to blow it all sky high and deprive the NCR of their weapons of war. It won’t destroy the facility but should erase months of progress. I am Petty and it will hurt NCR for a bit. It is also something we can talk with Caesar about to keep appearances up.
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>>6252444 >See if you can find a computer terminal before blowing this joint, literally. Maybe we could convince our Mojave BoS to take over this base, but otherwise it’s prudent to deny the NCR such a valuable resource on our doorstep.
A shame, I was hoping this would actually be fruitful for what is essentially a monthlong Courier action. What a joke.
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>>6252444 >Write-In >Look for a terminal and pump and dump everything both Pre-war AND Ncr related. Then set the place to blow due to a 'mistake' and frame it on either the BoS or Legion. Anonymous
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>>6252444 >If I can’t have it, no one can. You place your C-4 at strategic points to blow it all sky high and deprive the NCR of their weapons of war. It won’t destroy the facility but should erase months of progress. Anonymous
>>6252411 >That is an excellent product for trade with the Legion. Yep, in raw or refined forms they'll buy it in quite large quantities.
>>6252444 >Leave it and get outta here. You can’t carry anything and there doesn’t seem to be any other POI here. At least you’re aware the NCR has this place in Nevada. Lads, lads, lads, let's not be hasty - their security is lax and they're doing the hard work of cracking the bunkers for us...all we need to do is set up an appropriate way to smuggle arms out into the desert for later pick-up and we can secrete enough arms and munitions for our own needs out, no?
Say, given the location is kinda near New Reno, if we use the Salvatores? They've no great love of the NCR and must have decent connections among smugglers and other lowlifes. We just need to compromise a few men on the inside, cut the Salvatores in for 10% and enjoy the free flow of munitions into our armories...that or we don't cut the Salvatores in to handle the long-distance movement and instead, we rely on a future expanded fleet of Vertibirds. Bury the crates in the desert, they'll keep their contents good for awhile yet - we can retrieve them later. The NCR doesn't have a total accounting of this place nor its contents, so if we can corrupt the local guards or commander or even just a few of the local workers, we ought to be able to get as much out as we can use.
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>>6252451 Support be nice to know what’s here I also like the idea of passing said info to the brotherhood or legion. I think it makes sense for an independent Mojave to want its neighbors as weak as possible and despite my personal preferences the NCR is certainly our stronger neighbor.
So if we can figure out how strong these depots will make them and then let one of their other enemies know I feel like the problem will sort itself out. Now mind you if the NCR is about to get itself hundreds of functional military robots or something else as equally extreme we should probably stop that here and now
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>>6252444 >Leave it and get outta here. You can’t carry anything and there doesn’t seem to be any other POI here. At least you’re aware the NCR has this place in Nevada. My 'unintended consequences' sense is tingling. Let's quietly piss off and leave them to it.
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>>6252464 ….sure, I’m willing to gamble.
I’m switching my vote
>>6252448 to support
>>6252464 ’s plan, but I do want to hit up that computer terminal.
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>>6252444 >Leave it and get outta here. You can’t carry anything and there doesn’t seem to be any other POI here. At least you’re aware the NCR has this place in Nevada. Anonymous
>>6252464 >so if we can corrupt the local guards or commander or even just a few of the local workers, we ought to be able to get as much out as we can use. This is actually very viable. Learn about the NCR's logistics system and offer bribes to the weakest links, might be that we can sideline sizable portions of the supplies while letting things get lost in the bureaucracy.
Don't like the idea of working with the Salvatores though, even if it's as a catspaw. Working with corruption is already a delicate matter, and operating through an entire faction that isn't loyal to ourselves only magnifies that risk.
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>>6252478 I'd prefer not to cut the salvatores in, but unless we want to dedicate our Vertibird to flying cargo, we need some way of moving things on foot - our caravan company can handle that past a certain point but if we want to avoid questions, we have to get it out of the NCR's claimed territory before we do.
If we can get another half-dozen vertbirds, we can definitely do it without the Salvatores - because even if each could only carry 500 kilos of cargo a flight, if they did a flight a week - that'd be two tons each a turn. Twelve tons of military gear a month is probably enough, at least for now.
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>>6252444 As more ideas come it. I am now thinking we could likely make a truck disappear or skim a little. We can try checking computers or files to learn routs or if there will be one loaded up and see about a uniform. Then we lay a few traps to slow things down or make some noise to drive away.
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>>6252464 >>6252448 Support the terminal/future corruption ideas
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>>6252478 While I understand the hesitation to working with the Salvatores, I think it’s the better option when you consider we share the Enclave connection and don’t like the NCR. Plus, if we manage to get their loyalties, that opens up all the former military bases in the NCR that haven’t been cracked beyond a surface level.
Like, visiting Santa Rosa from Enclave Revenants Quest would be a kino Easter Egg.
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>>6252464 While having a system to smuggle things sounds good on paper, I feel like we're already dealing with so many more urgent things that require our attention that by the time we have the freedom to start our smuggling operations the place will be picked clean.
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>>6252490 Fair, though a lot of the urgent things have been delegated to various departments so I don't think the action-stress is too severe yet. Plus, Anons have been pushing to form an intelligence service, so this'd be a natural first operation to build it out from.
QM, do we as the Courier have any idea how quickly they've been searching through the bunkers? Anything [Explosives 100] or [Science 100] can identify in terms of the weathering/damage on the various entrances they've blasted open that might suggest a "rate" they've been going at?
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>>6252479 >we need some way of moving things on foot A valid point, and one I don't really have a solution to.
That said, what exactly do we have to offer the Salvatores other than nebulous "future cooperation"? Yes, we have the info about the cache, but what's stopping them from cutting us out or aggressively skimming once we tell them about it?
>>6252491 >do we as the Courier have any idea how quickly they've been searching through the bunkers? Seconding this question. An idea of how quickly they're progressing would let us know how plausible a smuggling operation would be, and what measures would be necessary.
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>>6252444 >>See if you can find a computer terminal before blowing this joint, literally. Anonymous
>>6252464 If the NCR military has enough brain and can understand the value of the stuff here they will check well the place and make sure it remains theirs. No chance in hell their military wouldn't want all of this sent to their other military camps, its all equipment, ammo and weapons they don't have to pay for a single dollar. Its free.
This idea also kind of balances everything on working with the Salvatores. Which aren't our friends, they are in fact in Vegas now for take it over criminally wise. If i was the Salvatores i would ask a lot and full freedom in Freeside on top of that. Which is fair since....the hell they care for doing this if they aren't getting a good pay for it ? This place is something too precious for NCR military to not sack in full. They would want something nice in return.
>>6252491 we should really do something else than look at far away places honestly, the Courier could help in other actions or do some actions himself.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 23:42:27 No. 6252529 Report >>6252500 >>6252491 Based on the minimal clues, it looks like they’ve gotten 25% through the depot over the course of 6 months, but that’s a rough estimate.
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>>6252500 >A valid point, and one I don't really have a solution to. The best I've got is having the BoS, Courier and Followers scrap together a dozen or two Protectrons, give them some sort of long-range GPS programming and have them trundle their asses back and forth carrying a ton of cargo each. It'd be vulnerable, slow and potentially obvious as hell though, even if they'd only need to get it close enough for us to switch to our Caravan Company. Personally, I'd say we're better off trying to get ourselves another 2-3 Vertibirds - if we can use those to shunt whatever we steal twenty or thirty miles away into the middle of the desert and leave for us to collect later once we've drained the base of as much as we can - or have gotten enough pilots and planes to complete the airlifting...need to run numbers on it...
>That said, what exactly do we have to offer the Salvatores other than nebulous "future cooperation"? If we establish mass-production of pharmaceuticals, chems or energy ammo for their laser weapons, I imagine that'd interest them. Alternatively, subverting them too is also an option (and one I desired to pursue anyway to try and take over New Reno so we could dominate even more of the tourist trade!).
>Yes, we have the info about the cache, but what's stopping them from cutting us out or aggressively skimming once we tell them about it? That's why we would ideally maintain some control over the people moving stuff from inside of the base out - so long as we've a track of what is coming out of the base and control the flow, they have to play ball with us. Keeping who we've compromised / payed off a secret would be critical at that point. That or we would need a half dozen loyal men to sit on that end of the supply line and keep tabs on things for us. Additional security to the deal could be gotten the classic way - we demand a hostage for as long as the deal runs. They get to live it up in Vegas until we're done and, if anything happens, the hostage is dead. Admittedly relies on us getting a hostage their leadership actually cares about. Might need multiple hostages...We could discourage theft by paying them per unit-item delivered? It's hard to say without knowing more about what the faction has planned / what they desire - for all we know, they'd love to be the 4th Family of Vegas or something...assuming that New Reno is still in a state of constant gang warfare mind you, I'd suppose that they'd be very happy for the guns and at that point, it's just a matter of convincing them that it's 10-20% if they work with us or 0% if they screw us over.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 23:50:22 No. 6252533 Report Quoted By:
Also it seems like we’re going to look around for any data sources to gleam information on the other bunkers and any logistical info that may help down the line with the goal to eventually either heist or smuggle the weapons out.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Tue 03 Jun 2025 23:58:13 No. 6252539 Report Rolled 44 (1d100) Someone roll against me, BO3 no bonus
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Rolled 26 (1d100) >>6252539 Fuckin’ NCR ruining a good thing
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Rolled 35 (1d100) >>6252539 Anonymous
Rolled 48 (1d100) >>6252539 We'll have to dedicate at least one Courier action to this.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Wed 04 Jun 2025 00:06:38 No. 6252550 Report Quoted By:
>>6252548 Just barely. Let’s finish this little excursion and finish this month out.
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>>6252526 >If the NCR military has enough brain and can understand the value of the stuff here they will check well the place and make sure it remains theirs. The light guard (though granted, probably sufficient for what is likely a quiet region) and fact they can't know what they've not yet searched would suggest otherwise. Even if the logs from pre-war are still accessible, if they don't match, it's entirely logical for them to assume anything from a data error to pre-war corruption to a simple counting mistake.
>This idea also kind of balances everything on working with the Salvatores. Yes and no, the "if we transport by ground" idea relies on having someone with connections in the region who could arrange the relatively covert transport of a lot of material a long way - the only group we know of with a presence near Reno and in Vegas is the Salvatores - so they're the logical choice. If we try to do transport by air? Presently it comes down to how many flights Daisy can manage to do from Vegas to here and back in a month without being spotted (e,g only able to approach at night or during other low visibility periods) in our singular Vertibird and how much can be carried / ease of loading.
If we suppose she can do twenty flights a month and manages to load a ton of cargo, that'd be twenty tons a month; not at all unreasonable seeing as a UH-1 from the Vietnam war was able to carry well in excess of a ton of cargo - the Vertibird is far more advanced, so presumably it should carry far more. If we could get a second vertibird, double our numbers - get up to five or six Vertibirds and we're potentially in excess of 200 tons of airlift capacity. Could we even make use of that much equipment? We've a number of airbases to investigate, if we can get even another two Vertibirds, air-lift of whatever we get from here is reasonably possible, since we're only able to take whatever percentage we can sneak out - if we can sneak even a tenth of what the NCR gets out, I'd be surprised - but a tenth is infinitely more than zero.
>Which aren't our friends, they are in fact in Vegas now for take it over criminally wise. Fair point.
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>>6252554 >If i was the Salvatores i would ask a lot and full freedom in Freeside on top of that. Which is fair since....the hell they care for doing this if they aren't getting a good pay for it? This place is something too precious for NCR military to not sack in full. They would want something nice in return. And we can work out what that something nice will be - I just don't think blowing this place up is in any way a great idea and was suggesting a potential solution to acquire some of the benefits of this place, since it's a choice between nothing or something. We've also got no idea how tenuous the situation between the NCR and Legion is nor their other commitments. Destroying one of their major sources of munitions can only result in some level of chaos in the NCR which would disrupt trade and cause other issues imo.
>we should really do something else than look at far away places honestly, the Courier could help in other actions or do some actions himself. No offence, we have done literally nothing other than NOT look at far away places "honestly". This is the first time we've taken a chance to explore beyond the Vegas region personally bar going to see Caesar. We don't have to do these every turn, but doing them is one of the best uses of the Courier's time considering the benefits that they could have and the fact that we've spent a fair bit of time and resources getting into a position to be able to best make use of them.
>>6252529 Faster than ideal...quite a bit faster in fact but we have at least a year or so to squeeze them for stuff. Though it might be worth it, especially if we can subvert the base commander or another higher up - their pull might be great enough to slow down their salvaging effort...
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I'm starting to realize how much of a loss this was. Man, this was such a good opportunity to screw over the NCR's expansionist stuff while making them weaker and spread the chaos there, potentially making them become more dependent on us in the future while making ourselves appear the more stable option to invest in.
>>6252559 >We've also got no idea how tenuous the situation between the NCR and Legion is nor their other commitments We've made sure the Legion will begin dissembling itself, likely leading to a civil war there. Blowing up the place won't be the end of the NCR, especially compared to what will happen to the Legion.
>Destroying one of their major sources of munitions can only result in some level of chaos in the NCR which would disrupt trade and cause other issues imo. How is that a bad thing? Chaos in the NCR and a wrench in their plans for expansion is something we sorely need if we want Kimball out of office.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:g8bdnseW Wed 04 Jun 2025 01:16:37 No. 6252586 Report Quoted By:
You begin to reach into your satchel for the blocks of C4 you always carry but stop yourself. You can’t take this weaponry with you now, but who says there aren’t ways for these crates to fall off the back of a truck? Or even for you to raid the depot and throw stuff on the back of Brahmin?
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Wed 04 Jun 2025 01:59:29 No. 6252598 Report Quoted By:
<span class="mu-g">…told me she wanted a monogamous relationship. I don’t even know what that word means!</span>
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>>6252531 I'll bet anything the BoS has been keeping a few vehicles in reserve for a rainy day. If Hardin has any he's willing to use, I could see him respecting a deal where we help him move a bunch of material out of the base in exchange for a fair cut.
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>>6252641 BoS would be a good group to work with too. I don't know how many Vertibirds they've got lying around but if nothing else they might have a bunker or two between Hawthorne and Vegas we could use as a warehouse for stuff in-transit...I mean one insane idea would be using the Boomer's flying fortress; landing it somewhere near Hawthorne and using it as a cargo craft. It'd certainly have the range and cargo capacity - the boomers would likely take artillery shells or suitable bombs from the depot as payment too, assuming fuel can be supplied...it'd be a bit risky and god knows finding or making a suitably clear area could take a fair bit of effort...
Anonymous
>>6252796 4 pt swing eh? Maybe Kimball will try baiting us with honey for a political win.
Or maybe he’ll just try more hardball diplomacy- that certainly worked out for him before :v
I’m just curious though- how does the broader NCR view the recent Mojave diplomacy as a failure? You’d think Kimball would be framing it as a victory and parading the captured bandits like he actually accomplished something substantial.
>>6252797 Hawthorne has an industrial airport nearby- maybe we can cut a deal with Kimball under the table like Iran-Contra with Hawthorne? Or we simply embrace Hanlon’s no-nonsense diplomacy.
Honestly makes you wonder if Hanlon’s Mojave sabotage will ever come to light lol
Anonymous
>>6252862 >maybe we can cut a deal with Kimball under the table like Iran-Contra with Hawthorne? Maybe, though it depends on what he'd want / what we've got to offer. I get the feeling the arms and munitions are fairly highly valued...if we can get production of pharmaceuticals or something similarly rare and valuable up and running in large enough quantities, a trade should definitely be possible.
>Or we simply embrace Hanlon’s no-nonsense diplomacy. A decent idea - given his anti-expansionist slant, we should aim to conduct our border discussions with the NCR when he's in power - preferably arranging a land purchase of existing NCR border territories near us - selling it to him as a way to reduce the commitments the NCR has while leaving them in the hands of a nominally neutral / friendly party. Though if we intend to get any significant amount of land, I imagine he'll want some % of water and power from the dam and we'll definitely need the troops to actually take control in order for him to agree since he wouldn't want the regions to fall into banditry and threaten the NCR...
>Honestly makes you wonder if Hanlon’s Mojave sabotage will ever come to light lol Doubtful, I mean did the Courier even solve it in this timeline? If not, it'll just be another one of those details that contributed to the Mojave's failures but never gets explained, even if noticed they'll just chalk it up to a infiltrator or something...
Anonymous
>>6252796 >Diplomatic failures >Increased water supply and power. Ah the news is always so corrupt.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:L+7+qpej Wed 04 Jun 2025 19:03:26 No. 6252886 Report >>6252881 >>6252862 This. The stuff you’re receiving from the NCR isn’t much better than what Mr. New Vegas is pushing out so don’t think this is the reality, or maybe it is.
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>>6252886 Mr. New Vegas is the MOST trustworthy source in the wasteland and you should be shot for saying otherwise.
Anonymous
>>6252797 >I mean one insane idea would be using the Boomer's flying fortress; landing it somewhere near Hawthorne Aircraft of that size need proper runways to land properly, or at least a long stretch of straight, decent road. Even if they are somehow able to find a road to land on that doesn't cripple the plane, it isn't going to be subtle in the slightest. Using the airport nearby is right out.
>>6252862 >maybe we can cut a deal with Kimball under the table like Iran-Contra with Hawthorne Honestly, I'd rather embarrass Kimball out of office. We have every reason to work with Hanlon instead, and it's worth eating a few temporary losses if it means destroying what little credibility Kimball has left with the NCR populace.
>Honestly makes you wonder if Hanlon’s Mojave sabotage will ever come to light lol I doubt it. Hanlon was only ever identified in-game as the culprit because he messed up and kept doctoring the reports even after the new encryption was set up. If the NCR never got around to it before the Second Battle kicked off (quite likely, given that the comms officer at the understaffed Forlorn Hope complained of nobody taking her fears seriously), then there's no way to confirm that it wasn't Legion misinformation from compromised communications.
>>6252876 >preferably arranging a land purchase of existing NCR border territories near us I think even Hanlon would balk at selling off territories the NCR had already laid claim to. On the other hand, I imagine he'd be willing to drop claims to future areas the NCR was planning to expand into, for the right incentive.
Anonymous
>>6252925 >Aircraft of that size need proper runways to land properly, or at least a long stretch of straight, decent road. Even if they are somehow able to find a road to land on that doesn't cripple the plane, it isn't going to be subtle in the slightest. Using the airport nearby is right out. I never mentioned the airport, but yes, using it would draw too much attention unless we get the local commanders and such on-side to keep the conscripts from asking too many questions. Also yes, it does need a proper runway to land but the question is more "is there an airport within a dozen or two miles?" - if we can shorten the ground-level smuggling to just a small stretch like that, we've got far less logistics to work out even if it would be an exceptional stroke of luck - hence the idea is insane.
This btw is why I thought we needed to search the airbases we found in the Enclave files ASAP - because we don't really have the long-haul / logistics capacity to move any great amount of equipment right now, so the depots and such are nice but impractical to use rn, while the great thing about aircraft is they can move themselves. Imagine if we'd found this place in 3-4 months and had another two or three Vertibirds plus an arrangement with the Boomers to fly for us, the idea of air-lifting out material would be far less ludicrous
>I think even Hanlon would balk at selling off territories the NCR had already laid claim to. On the other hand, I imagine he'd be willing to drop claims to future areas the NCR was planning to expand into, for the right incentive. The guy literally ran NCR settlers out of the Baja. I consider it entirely possible that he could be convinced that the NCR is even more overstretched than he already thinks it is and that they need to pull back or lose civilians to preventable events.
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>>6252942 We do have a number of smaller aircraft scattered around the Mojave, both medium prop aircraft and light jets. If we can restore one of them to operable condition and get fuel for it if needed, we'd be able to outfit it for rough landings on somewhere like the Walker Lake bed or a nearby salt flat and get in and out with a much less conspicuous aircraft than a heavy bomber or vertibird.
Otherwise, the nearest airstrip that doesn't require landing in the base itself or going over a mountain is ~30 miles away in Mina.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Thu 05 Jun 2025 02:27:55 No. 6253030 Report <span class="mu-s">The Courier can now engage in two diplomatic actions, as well as two general actions. Council reports will come in automatically at the start of every turn, except this one. This means you have in total, two courier actions, two diplomatic actions, a military, research, industry and misc action slot. Additionally, building units/buildings do not need an action but using one will improve outcome. I WILL UPDATE PASTEBIN TOMORROW</span>
New Vegas Region
Month 5
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Population (Rough Estimate): 70,000
Freeside/New Vegas/North Vegas: 67,000
Novac: 750
Goodsprings: 900
Jacobstown: 700
Primm: 2,000
Nellis: 1,000
New Vegas Outskirts: 4,000
Sloan: 300
Bonnie Springs: 600
Nipton: 0
Remaining population dispersed throughout region
New Vegas: Rebuilt Pre-War buildings, defensive wall, electricity, plumbing, intact infrastructure
Freeside: Sparse electricity. Pre-war ruins, pre-war buildings, shacks, defensive wall. Basic sanitation. Crumbling infrastructure.
Primm (UNCONTROLLED): Electricity. Intact pre-war buildings, pre-war ruins, damaged infrastructure
Nipton: No plumbing, no electricity, damaged buildings and rubble
Goodsprings: Electricity, intact pre-war houses
Novac: Electricity, intact pre-war houses, defensive wall.
Camp McCarran: Intact pre-war building, military tents, electricity, plumbing, defensive wall, watch towers
Camp Rex: Intact pre-war building, military tents, electricity, plumbing, expansive training grounds
Economy
Tariffs: Low 5%(+95,000 caps/turn)
Sales tax: None (+0 caps/turn)
Casino Tribute: Intermediate (+55,000 caps/turn)
Additional Dam Income: (+50,000 caps/turn)
Upkeep: -124,000 caps/turn
Investment: -100,000 caps/turn (6 turns left)
Treasury: 352,000 caps (100 Gold Bars)
Food
Below-average (Stable)
Meat-Heavy diet
Fueled by cheap beef from Gunderson and an increase of funding trickling down to Freeside, the diet of the average Freesider is impressively heavy on protein. There are concerns about the sustainability of this progress and many still go hungry.
Water
Below-average (Stable)
The explosion of agriculture and sanitation has begun to strain the irrigation and plumbing across the Mojave. There are also concerns about long-term uncontrolled use of one of the best water sources in the wasteland.
Medicine
Poor (Rising)
Scavenged industrial medicine, sparse home remedies. The Followers have begun manufacturing medicine on a small scale. The Freeside baths are contributing to cleaner streets. The repaired Auto-docs are contributing to a healthier Freeside.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Thu 05 Jun 2025 02:31:48 No. 6253035 Report Quoted By:
<span class="mu-i">Just outside of Junktown</span>
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Thu 05 Jun 2025 02:34:35 No. 6253038 Report The old ranger looks around the desolate New California countryside, seemingly taking measure of it all.
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>>6253038 Hanlon might've been read like a book, but he's playing the senator like a fiddle.
Anonymous
>>6253032 Courier Actions:
>Seek out the BoS and talk with Hardin about important matters. We need to do this, if not for the smuggling then for the civilization ending fungus.
>Begin operations to smuggle weapons out of the NCR's territories. This one is on a time limit.
>Talk with Dead Sea. Better to get that line with Caesar sooner than later.
Military Action:
>Create a police force around the Mojave to protect the citizens there. We can have it focus on organized crime and things that the Securitrons aren't good at.
Research Action:
>Continue looking into the Boomer's Blight. Focus on trying to find a remedy for it. Also try to contact other nations about it.
Although I still have some reservations about telling the NCR about this, especially now that we have so much of their investments in the Mojave and the fact that their scientists may not be trustworthy. Though I won't vote that we shouldn't tell them, I just feel like its a bad idea to tell them.
Also also, continue having the Followers work on it. And we can have the BoS help if talks go well with Hardin.
Industrial Action:
>Continue working on the RMRP. Have Garret's department help out here.
Other Actions:
>Have Kreger and Lily work together to figure out what the Salvatores are up to and see if they can be stopped or reasoned with. Buddy cop time. Kreger's reaction to the Salvatores should be interesting. If Kreger needs a temporary replacement to focus on Department of Defense we can get Moreno to do it.
>Get Raul to help with the RMRP, outfitting the local unused industries with engineers he taught. >Try to contact other nations about the Outsider’s Pox/Boomer Blight. >>6253038 Sick.
Anonymous
>>6253044 We get two diplomatic and two courier actions a turn now so while I generally support this plan I would say let’s use our last courier action since we don’t have anything pressing to
>meet with the diplomats from Zion. I’m assuming courier actions can be used for diplomacy but not vice versa here so survivalist may need to weigh in.
But in general
>support Anonymous
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>>6253053 >We get two diplomatic and two courier actions a turn now so while I generally support this plan I would say let’s use our last courier action since we don’t have anything pressing to >meet with the diplomats from Zion. Also supporting that too.
Anonymous
>>6253032 So the Mojave Chapter's received some reinforcements, seems like. Hopefully Lost Hills isn't plotting against us, we're probably one of the few factions in the region that doesn't hate the Brotherhood.
>>6253044 >>6253053 I'll support these. Aside from the potential raid on Hawthorne and the Blight, a few other things I'd like to discuss with Hardin are the Texan Chapter and what the word is from Lost Hills.
Anonymous
>>6253032 >Nipton Low priority, fixing that requires too much investment, for now.
>Stretched forces We really should form some more infantry companies, good for security and best to keep the securitrons as an ace in the hole.
>Salvatore crime This should also be high priority, we should probably deal with it personally ourselves at some point. Do we still have an auto-doc that can be used for Kreger's intel bureau? Hell, that might be something we should look into forming.
>BOS guests Interesting. We should probably go talk to them.
>Legion I assume we can let cass take care of that.
>Zion Should be fun to talk to.
>More strip access Nah. If the king's really annoyed we tell him that Freeside will be getting enough money to buy their way, in time.
>>6253044 This looks good. Support, but we do already have a police force though, making another one is a waste. I'd go for making either
>More infantry companies to take on Securitron duties or
>Start an intelligence bureau, both counter and foreign intel. And then use the extra courier action to meet with the Zion diplomats.
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>>6253030 courier actions 2
>SALVATORE CRIME If they really have connections to the Enclave Judah Kreger maybe worth coming with us on a search to meet some people. Grandma Lily, Department of Housing and Urban Development and the cops could work with us on gang busting if needed. Yet if we can connect with the Enclave roots then we can a ally in the make I think.
>Talent scouting in NCR If we can talk with actions I can see getting things our of the way with ZION, but I kind want us to take a trip to NCR. We have had people for NCR come to us. Why not go to them and see about recruitment for the team. The need doctors, researchers, some people on the inside and more.
Postmaster General could help with invites and we could bring Boone to see about any more friends of his.
Diplomatic actions 2
Lets speak to the BOS about the guests, working together on the NCR bunkers, and the fungus.
Department of Defense for the raid plan?
>LEGION ARRIVAL Lets set up trade and other talks like if the BoS doesn't want to help we can ask them about the Bunkers.
Department of State
Military
Would be big ask to start on a engineer corp since we will need a in war and in peace they can help build. We will need roads and rails for supple lines as well.
research
>Continue looking into the Boomer's Blight. Department of Health & Human Services and Department of Science and Technology
industry
RMRP Support
Lets help get the farms better set up for water usage and make sure we got a get mix of the food people need.
Department of Agriculture and Department of Energy
misc action slot
>start mining for asphalt material and buy equipment to lay it for the roads. We should get some roads fixed up for the supplies for the mines and other locations. While we talk hopefully we can get Raul a Legion advisors for new road guidance and start mining for asphalt material and buy equipment to lay it. If we don't have a location to start mining. We can at leas set up plans for what to fix first, prep locations, and search.
Department of Transportation and Department of the Interior
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Just tossing this out there, I bet we can manage the King's request by investing in industry in Freeside. That way we're doing something to help his people get into Vegas without aggravating the Families by lowering the credit check.
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>>6253030 >Courier Actions Organize a raid on the Hawthorne base with the BoS.
Deal with the Salvatores.
>Diplo Dead Sea talk. State and Commerce
Zion meeting.
>Military Scout the North with Bear One, focusing on local airfields. Defense.
>Research Get in touch with Big MT. Failing that, continue on with current research. Science.
>Industry Focus on building up gold mining and pharmaceutical industries, and begin headhunting talent in the NCR and Legion for our other industries, including dam personnel. Commerce, Energy, Interior.
>Misc Begin training up medical personnel under HHS and building housing and bathhouses, and focus on the RMRP. Development and HHS.
Set up a tourism add campaign in New Reno. Tourism and Postmaster General.
Freesiders of outstanding merit or great service may achieve a lower threadhold Or those that can beat us in a card game, (with any exceptional losers poached for employment on the Strip)
Increase every department funding by 1,000 caps each.
[Wacky Wasteland] Show the cabinet the Zeta body next meeting.
Figured I’d at least provide an alternative plan.
>>6253038 Ah, that’s a shame Harlon isn’t becoming President. I don’t know if Allgood better or worse, so I personally think we should keep an open mind- Harlon in charge of the NCR military but not the political process may become more of a net negative than a benefit to us.
Personally, I’ll just stay the course and fence-sit until someone actual decides to cut us a decent deal for once.
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>>6253030 >COURIER ACTIONS 1) Investigate Naval Air Station Fallon.
2) Investigate Creech AFB.
>COURIER DIPLOMACY 1) Meet with Legion Envoy, Dead Sea.
2) Meet with Zion Tribals and Daniel.
>MILITARY ACTION Kreger, have Daisy meet with the Boomers and recruit a few to fly Vertibirds back to NV, assuming they've trained on how to fly them in the VR pods. If not, have Daisy begin training them to fly our existing Vertibird.
>RESEARCH ACTION Continue to research the Boomer Blight.
>INDUSTRY ACTION Assist the RMRP and NCR investments.
>MISC ACTION Assist the RMRP and NCR investments.
>NON-ACTION DETAILS Deploy 1st Infantry Company to Freeside to assist in curtailing Salvatores and maintaining order.
>TLDR - PREP WORK, CRIME FIGHTING AND ECONOMIC MAXIMISATION 1) Economic actions are dedicated to maximising our gains from the nearly a million (120,000, 80,000 and 600,000 between the RMRP and NCR investments we've funded, not counting the NCR's own investment money) caps we've thrown at that.
2) Courier is dedicated to investigating probable sites of Vertibirds for us to secure which are close to the NCR border (both are in Nevada and towards Hawthorne) with the goal being that these bases can be repurposed as stop-over points for smuggling and the aircraft taken from them can be used to assist in that goal.
3) Military action aims to get us more pilots so we can actually have more than a single aircraft in-flight at a time, enabling us to actually recover additional Vertibirds from the field and to smuggle far more by air while our infantry head to Freeside to limit the damage the Salvatores can do.
The goal of these actions is that next turn, we'll ideally have worked out a supply of further pilots and airframes and be in a position to begin moving lots of equipment out of Hawthorne - and if that should fall through - in a position to begin searching and exploiting the other Enclave facilities we know about. All the while, we combat the Salvatores by effectively increasing the NVPD by 40% and with heavier firepower in the form of our infantry and make sure that every cap we put towards economic investment is being properly used / aiming to get some bonuses to what we've paid for.
Anonymous
>>6253030 >COURIER ACTIONS 1) Investigate Naval Air Station Fallon.
2) + Creech AFB, Post-Master General assisting.
>COURIER DIPLOMACY 1) Meet with Legion Envoy, Dead Sea, Department of State assisting.
2) Meet with Zion Tribals and Daniel.
>MILITARY ACTION Have Daisy meet with Boomers and recruit a few to fly Vertibirds, assuming they've trained on them in the VR pods. If not, have Daisy begin training them to fly our Vertibird.
>RESEARCH ACTION Continue on the Boomer Blight, Department of Science & Technology.
>INDUSTRY ACTION Assist the Industrial RMRP & NCR investments, Department of Commerce.
>MISC ACTION Assist the Agricultural RMRP, Department of Agriculture.
>NON-ACTION DETAILS Deploy Infantry to Freeside to assist police, especially against Salvatores.
>TLDR - HAWTHORNE PREP, CRIME FIGHTING AND ECONOMIC MAXIMISATION 1) Economic actions are dedicated to maximising our gains from the milllion+ caps currently being invested in Vegas by us and the NCR.
2) Courier is dedicated to investigating probable sites of Vertibirds for us to secure which are close to the NCR border (both are in Nevada and towards Hawthorne) with the goal being that these bases can be repurposed as stop-over points for smuggling and the aircraft taken from them can be used to assist in that goal.
3) Military action aims to get us more pilots so we can actually have more than a single aircraft in-flight at a time, enabling us to actually recover additional Vertibirds from the field and to smuggle far more by air while our infantry head to Freeside to limit the damage the Salvatores can do.
4) Diplo for trade.
The goal of these actions is that next turn, we'll ideally have worked out / secured further pilots and airframes and be in a position to begin moving lots of equipment out of Hawthorne - and if that should fall through when we attempt to set it up - in a position to begin searching and exploiting the other Enclave facilities we know about. All the while, we combat the Salvatores by effectively increasing the NVPD by 40% and with heavier firepower in the form of our infantry and make sure that every cap we put towards economic investment is being properly used / aiming to get some bonuses to what we've paid for and meet with our two largest potential new trade partners.
Ideally, next turn, we'd have 2-5 more Vertibirds and be in a position to fly all of them at the same time, reliably and constantly if we so desired, between Vegas and Hawthorne while having established diplomatic relations with the Legion and Zionites, we get more caps in, even before whatever bonuses our economic growth can bring us. The Salvatores meanwhile continue to wait in the wings, just for the minute, alongside the Brotherhood of Steel - recruiting them for the Hawthorne Operation is a great idea, but unless we have the aircraft to do it ourselves, they will have a commanding position in negotiations with us.
Anonymous
>>6253095 I was thinking of this police force (maybe even a sheriff system in different towns of our country?) being something that could fill in for the Securitrons and bring a better semblance of order, but if it'll really be a waste then I'd be happy to have more infantry or make an intelligence agency, though I'd more lean on the former so that we could keep more Securitrons at hand for if we need them.
Anonymous
>>6253038 Okay, let's see...
>Courier actions Meet with the BoS + prepare a joint raid on the Hawthorn base.
Personally handle the Salvatores, with assistance from Boone and Lily.
>Diplomatic actions Meet with the Zion missionaries.
Meet with Heck and formalize our relationship into a contract, with assistance from the State and Commerce secretaries.
(Yes I will keep beating this drum, even if it turns into our equivalent of phasing.)
>Military actions Raise another infantry company, and have the existing one take over a patrol from Securitrons. Assistance from the Defense secretary.
>Research actions Go to Big MT and deliver a sample of the Boomer's Blight to the Think Tank for analysis. Obtain whatever information on the Vault 22 fungus and Cyberdogs that they are willing to part with.
>Industrial actions Continue the RMRP with assistance from Agriculture, Transportation, and Energy secretaries.
Invest in the equipment and workers to start gold mining, with assistance from the Interior secretary
Invest in expanding the Followers' pharmaceutical production, with the understanding that they'll prioritize employment among Freesiders as best they can, with assistance from the Health and Housing secretaries
(Investing in Freeside should ideally get the King off our back without having to adjust the Strip credit check. This is more important than it looks because the Salvatores will exploit any dissatisfaction with our regime to expand their own influence. While I'm sure the King will be on our side, we have to be sure the number of Freesiders the Salvatores can sway are minimized).
>Misc. actions If he's willing, appoint the King as our vice-courier for if something comes up while we're gone. He's got the charisma to smooth over internal discord, and is smart enough to listen to the people who know what they're doing. Just make sure we wrangle a promise out of him to avoid getting into a pissing match with the Families.
Arrange an ad campaign in New Reno with the assistance of the Tourism secretary and Postmaster.
Oof, everybody wants money but it's increasingly tied up in future investments. Here's hoping the dividends start rolling in soon. Also, we really need to get around to making laws and formalizing our nation. Preferably before somebody starts doing it for us.
Anonymous
>>6253204 >(Yes I will keep beating this drum, even if it turns into our equivalent of phasing.) ...HMQ? After all these god damn years, that's the reference you pull out?
Anonymous
>>6253211 I can bring up DON'T USE THE EYE and WAKWAKWAK if you really want me to.
Fuck, I should really reread some of those. I gave myself serious nostalgia. Anonymous
>>6253159 Supporting this
But I think we should do national identity stuff + water next turn
The water issue could snowball if we let it!
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:7qo6kWMD Thu 05 Jun 2025 15:39:38 No. 6253277 Report >>6253053 Correct, you can use an additional courier action for diplomacy but cannot use a courier diplomacy action for a general courier action
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>>6253215 Damn, alright I don't recognise those - though I feel like "Don't use the eye" is familiar.
>>6253267 >The water issue could snowball if we let it! Definitely, though there's only so much we can do to cut down on water use, we should at least try and introduce some measures to curtail wastage. More advanced methods of irrigation that lose less to seepage / evaporation for example, sealing off leaks in the various pipes and of course some basic water treatment plant to try and reuse water where possible.
We could also look into creating greenhouses, since they help avoid the loss of moisture further and help to isolate crops from insects and such, though that would only be suitable for certain crops. Might also be worth pushing farmers to grow less water-consuming crops too, though that might be impractical.
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>>6253032 >>6253044 >>6253053 +1
And I'm good with changing the military action changes
>>6253095 suggested. I'm fine with either, but I'd make it to build more infantry since
>>6253190 put is as a preference.
Jack Price
>>6253044 >>6253053 >>6253095 Since this is in the leading talks I would back the changes. Picking Start an intelligence bureau, both counter and foreign intel. Since we can save money by waiting for the guns to pile up from the gun runners. If we could add some direction to RMRP support. I think we should work on the water usage. Rain barrels or other collection sources could help. Same with making sure the soil is covered to reduce drying out.
>>6253204 I wonder if we have to be the go between for Big MT. Otherwise I say should added it to the research action as well.
>>6253030 Updated with the changes.
Courier Actions:
>Seek out the BoS and talk with Hardin about important matters. We need to do this, if not for the smuggling then for the civilization ending fungus.
>Begin operations to smuggle weapons out of the NCR's territories. This one is on a time limit.
diplomatic
>Talk with Dead Sea. Better to get that line with Caesar sooner than later.
>meet with the diplomats from Zion. Military Action:
>Start an intelligence bureau, both counter and foreign intel. Research Action:
>Continue looking into the Boomer's Blight. Focus on trying to find a remedy for it. Also try to contact other nations about it.
Although I still have some reservations about telling the NCR about this, especially now that we have so much of their investments in the Mojave and the fact that their scientists may not be trustworthy. Though I won't vote that we shouldn't tell them, I just feel like its a bad idea to tell them.
Also also, continue having the Followers work on it. And we can have the BoS help if talks go well with Hardin.
Deliver Big MT a sample of the Boomer's Blight to the Think Tank.
Industrial Action:
>Continue working on the RMRP. Have Garret's department help out here.
Other Actions:
>Have Kreger and Lily work together to figure out what the Salvatores are up to and see if they can be stopped or reasoned with. Buddy cop time. Kreger's reaction to the Salvatores should be interesting. If Kreger needs a temporary replacement to focus on Department of Defense we can get Moreno to do it.
>Get Raul to help with the RMRP, outfitting the local unused industries with engineers he taught. >Try to contact other nations about the Outsider’s Pox/Boomer Blight. Anonymous
I almost caught up to the quest, and I have say it's been a ride.
But there's so many posts that it takes literal hours to red and get the context for the Courier's schizophrenic decisions. Though just ctrl+f Survivalist helps.
>>6253030 >>6253332 +1
I was writing a vote but I can support this revised vote of
>>6253044 .
Anonymous
>>6253332 +1
>>6253277 Hey QM is Veronica still a member of the Brotherhood of Steel?
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>>6253032 >>6253065 I'll support the changes in
>>6253332 Anonymous
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>>6253332 I'll support this version of the vote.
Autist Anon
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>>6253332 Placing my support for this plan.
Anonymous
>>6253332 Any chance of at least adding some money for the Followers' medicine production so the King doesn't get too mad at us?
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:EQ+apyTg Thu 05 Jun 2025 22:59:48 No. 6253464 Report Quoted By:
>>6253371 Kinda? She considers them family and would have a big issue with you wiping them out but she’s also as loyal to you as any other companion.
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>>6253461 If we don't need an action for planning a building. I say why not we give him a small lab. Otherwise yeah I'd be down to get some funding.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:EQ+apyTg Thu 05 Jun 2025 23:04:45 No. 6253466 Report Quoted By:
>>6253339 Aye, unfortunately the debate between the players is important, otherwise it’s just my average writing which gets very very monotonous.
Glad you can make it to the party though!
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>>6253030 i need to remember to add mutant infantry to the pastebin. thats all
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Fri 06 Jun 2025 11:20:56 No. 6253667 Report >>6253332 Alright this one wins pretty safely. The turn is too broad and ambiguous though, anon
For Hardin, I’ll have you discuss the new people that arrived and give options to talk about the blight and potential raid on the depot
Regarding operations to smuggle the equipment out, you need to give me a general idea of what you want to do. You can ask council members for suggestions but it needs a little more detail
And for the last action, does that mean you’re asking about the Blight with the Legion/NCR or just being vague and seeing if they’ve had outbreaks?
Anonymous
>>6253667 My thoughts are with New Vegas side and see how BoS talks go. If Kreger does we can use that as a way to contact the Salvatores. If that can't be done in tandem with the other actions. I say go explore NCR side of things to find people we can use, locations to meet for drop off, and places to lose people when things go hot. Once we have a spot and a team we can use the airship or if we are really lucky a rented truck to drive things over. Worst case I assume we can go through Zion and over some goods as payment for their help. Perhaps even get the loot out though a mix of the three to cover our tracks a little.
I think for the Legion we should be open with Caesar. Let them know and hopefully get some help or at least favor points in return. Then for NCR lets be vague and use it to build rapport to see how open they are willing to be about outbreaks.
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>>6253667 Basically what
>>6253703 said.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Fri 06 Jun 2025 17:01:15 No. 6253740 Report >>6253703 Fuck it, I can work with that
Courier Actions
>Go meet with Hardin, ask subtly if he can provide logistical support for a snatch-and-grab operation. Will provide an option to ask for help with the blight at the end of the meeting 1d100+8 (DT25)Rolling for the BOS support but DT is low due to great relations
>The Smuggling will happen at the end of the turn and you will have options based on the outcome of the BoS meeting and the Salvatore effort. Will be plenty of rolls so don’t worry Courier Diplomacy
>Dead Sea and General Legion connections. 1d100+8(DT35) Low due to the good relations with Caesar for now, going to discuss trade and political agreements
>Zion Meeting 1d100+8, higher the better for this
Military
>Create an intelligence bureau, or the beginnings of one at least 1d100(DT85), don’t think there is a bonus on this but let me know if you guys think there should be.
Research
>Continue research into Boomer Blight, BoS will help if talks go well. DT will stay the same for simplicity sake but will decrease failure and increase success if they begin to assist. Going to tell Legion about it, be vague with NCR Industrial
>Focus more energy on Stage 2A of RMRP, have Department of Commerce assist, particularly in the planting of cash crops. Raul and Mechanics will assist 1d100(DT25), higher the better though
Other
>Lily and Kreger try to see what’s going on with the Salvatores, Kreger himself leveraging his knowledge of the Enclave to assist 1d100+2(DT70)
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Rolled 59 + 8 (1d100 + 8) >>6253740 Hardin! Old buddy, old pal, old friend...
Anonymous
Rolled 80 + 8 (1d100 + 8) >>6253740 Dead Sea! Man do I got the scoop of the decade for Caesar to bring glory onto you…
As for the Intelligence bureau, I do feel the Postmaster General is a natural fit, and I do feel if we work out a favorable deal with the Salvatore it should provide boon towards the Courier Intelligence Agency.
For the Wacky Wasteland, we could meme a discount MiB lmao
Anonymous
Rolled 9 + 8 (1d100 + 8) >>6253740 zion meeting.
I would prefer its called department of intelligence for keep them in theme instead of bureau. Honestly no, no bonus, the first thing we should do is not impossible things. Its finding someone for lead such a thing a character that actually knows something of stealth, intrigue and spying.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>6253760 >As for the Intelligence bureau, I do feel the Postmaster General is a natural fit Um, I don't think that's remotely what Nash signed on for.
>>6253766 Daniel: Zion has fallen to civil war and now people are turning into zombies these are the survivors I WARNED YOU BRO I WARNED YOU
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>>6253760 no.
The man doesn't need to do 2 jobs at once, and he is not an expert in being a spy. Its a demanding role.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Fri 06 Jun 2025 18:35:49 No. 6253781 Report >>6253766 Woof. Truthfully this was probably the most difficult task of the turn.
If you guys really want to create an intelligence agency, there’s someone in the Divide that could help….
Anonymous
>>6253781 Someone had to roll like shit sooner or later, i don't mind it was me. I don't roll that much anyway, i ll roll next thread so anyone that thinks about bad energy can rest in peace.
I mean the action is there. And the first step like all the departments we made, is finding someone for lead it. Frankly i cannot remember anyone fitting for it. If we had a few names to pick and choose it would be for the best.
Anonymous
Rolled 86 (1d100) >>6253740 Intelligence Agency.
>>6253781 Should be nice to visit Ulysses again.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Fri 06 Jun 2025 18:44:25 No. 6253786 Report Quoted By:
>>6253783 >>6253782 Oh wait no that was the Zion meeting
Very very good result for the intelligence action, which I think was the hardest. Just barely passed the DT, great job anon. Depending on the Salvatore roll, this could be a very fun outcome
Anonymous
Rolled 17 + 2 (1d100 + 2) >>6253740 I think I'm the last roll needed?
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Fri 06 Jun 2025 19:11:36 No. 6253796 Report >>6253795 Need the industry roll I think
Anonymous
>>6253796 Oh well then, lmao. Got your industry roll here.
>>6253795 Which I failed eitherway.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Fri 06 Jun 2025 19:19:18 No. 6253799 Report >>6253798 Sorry anon, that’s the Salvatore roll, bonus was applied.
It’s up to another anon to bring home the bacon
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Rolled 14 (1d100) >>6253740 GODS OF CAPITALISM AND INDUSTRY, GIVE ME GDP GROWTH AND MY DEBT IS YOURS Here's the industry roll.
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>>6253799 Man this gun taste like gun.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Fri 06 Jun 2025 19:34:12 No. 6253802 Report Jane: Courier honey? I just wanted to pop in and let you know Yes-Man is back online. Sorry for interrupting, I’ll let ya get back to it. >Yes-Man’s upgrades are now complete, allowing him greater governing abilities.
Anonymous
>>6253766 Get Grandma and guy in the divide to head it up.
Also, I guess God expects us to do all the work with that roll.
A shame about the other rolls as well.
Anonymous
>>6253827 Look at it this way, at least the Legion and BOS talks went well. Between the two of those we should be able to secure some breathing room - respectively financially and for the Hawthorne operation.
Jack Price PDA
>>6253840 Yeah it feels like most of the big risk things got a pass. Just a same our buddies in zion didn't do the best. The gang stuff I expected to take time.
Anonymous
>>6253802 >Whoever possesses the Platinum Chip is what my programming decides is the leader, so as long as you have that chip, we’re fine and dandy. This is surely okay and will never be used against us in any capacity. Yeah no, my SS13 instincts are telling me it's time to get the chip implanted inside us.
>>6253840 >>6253882 BO1 is a merciless mistress. You'll take what you get and you'll make it work.
Anonymous
>>6253903 >This is surely okay and will never be used against us in any capacity. Yeah no, my SS13 instincts are telling me it's time to get the chip implanted inside us. I mean that or we put inside of the cool weapon we drop when killed. Gotta make the Sword of the Mojave extra special...
Switching to a total tangent, someone wanted to form a second police force for our rural communities rather than just Vegas. Seeing as we've gotten around to providing them with actual wages rather than relying on the pre-existing tributary system, this is much more feasible to do since they won't be extracting from strangers who are unused to such a system. Expanding our present police force by roughly 100 people, I'd previously calculated less than 80 to be needed to give similar coverage by-population, and having them distributed across our communities and responding to issues in and around them is probably smart.
It might also be good to look into providing them with better equipment sooner rather than later. We can't exactly afford to supply guns in any great number to them yet (pending Hawthorne or increase in income) since our deal with the Gun Runners consumes a significant portion of our money. Yet if they are capable of forming two units of decent quality Militia already -with better gear and some training, we could hopefully transition our police towards a "gendarmerie" level of training that'd hopefully make them functionally a pair of National Guard units. Giving them another hundred men would hopefully also make it possible to form a third unit of whatever variety, rather than having a hundred stragglers that we can't field properly.
The heavier armament and training, hopefully, would let them handle more trouble with less officers, increasing overall performance. One thing that would definitely help with that which we could also copy is the Japanese idea of police posts: tiny little police stations intended for 2-3 on-duty cops at a time that serve as a place for people to report crimes and get assistance from the police. Spread them across Freeside and we'd give the police a greater visible presence even without increasing their numbers, hopefully further discouraging crime.
It might also be worthwhile engaging in some exercises between our police and infantry - the former representing the sort of quality that we can reasonably expect our infantry to encounter across most of the wastes after all while giving our police a bit of experience against a force with better equipment, conditioning and training. The infantry get to fight militia/raiders, the police get to fight a proper army - both walk away with a better understanding and hopefully some comradery while also letting us experiment with ideas.
Anonymous
>>6254177 >Expanding our present police force by roughly 100 people [...] and having them distributed across our communities and responding to issues in and around them is probably smart. Agreed.
>One thing that would definitely help with that which we could also copy is the Japanese idea of police posts: tiny little police stations intended for 2-3 on-duty cops at a time that serve as a place for people to report crimes and get assistance from the police. An interesting idea, but I'd bulk up the number of officers to maybe 7-10 even if it limits the amount of posts. 2-3 officers is great for visibility, but it also means it's easy to pick them off if there's a hostile organized force wandering around (like the Salvatores), as well as allowing individual officers to be corrupted much more easily (1 other cop watching vs 6 other cops watching). Smaller numbers might be better suited to areas where crime is already low and just needs to be maintained, but posts in our post-apocalyptic setting will probably need more substance to be effective against the usual crap they face.
Also, on an unrelated note, I think we should have a firm national identity in place before we recruit Ulysses. Remember that he's very keen on the strength of symbols, and I guarantee he's going to ask what it is we're actually fighting for.
>"So Courier, what will be the face of the new world you would usher into existence? What banner do you raise, what ideals do you enshrine, what legacy do you intend the Mojave to carry after we have gone?" >[awkward silence] Anonymous
>>6254198 Larger posts might be smarter yeah, though if we're going to make them larger, it might be worthwhile trying to make them pull double duty - serving as post offices or local administrative buildings (in the "here is where you go to hand in forms or see government notifications (like job listings), etc" sort of variety).
If we did that, it'd also have the benefit of meaning we could have non-cops handle at least some admin duties for them, helping to maximise the amount of hours they spend fighting crime / patrolling.
Anonymous
>>6254243 Had a funny idea of maybe having post offices operating in police posts, while the infantry patrols that travel between towns take some common intersettlement mail with them.
It'd be weirdly on-brand for the Courier to mingle the military and postal branches. And the infantry would probably refrain from complaining about delivering mail considering who's in charge.
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>>6254198 >firm national identity Could take decades to develop anything really solid desu, but we can definitely plant the seeds to show off to him. One thing I'd been considering is that given our focus on tourism, sponsoring / starting some places dedicated to producing artwork would be a decent idea - good for cultural development and a form of education / high-end good that doesn't rely on literacy or numeracy or advanced machines. Great for selling to the rich of the NCR and for decorating our own civilization. Paintings are good for export, same for small carvings, jewelry and so on but for installation in the public, I'd look more towards statues and mosaics.
Similarly, whenever we start any sorts of formal schooling, it may be worth considering some special subjects to try and develop our own cultural quirks. Teaching sign language for example would be a easy way to make our population bilingual in a useful way, though teaching latin would be good too - not just for Legion purposes but also for pre-war reasons. Dancing as a subject could be good too, since it's a culture-y thing and works as physical education that's a bit more interesting than sending them to do laps of a building or whatever.
>>6254263 Not a bad idea, at least while we've got them working around our interior. Longer term I'd expect our postal service to switch to robots (eyebots specifically) since they're able to run 24/7 and all - makes quick delivery in all conditions much easier.
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>>6254263 When income gets better or we have the spar caps to try it. We can allow citizens to take a loan out from the post office. Turning them into a self protected state bank.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Sat 07 Jun 2025 18:47:18 No. 6254360 Report Quoted By:
Both you and Hardin know how much leeway you’ve given his chapter in the last few months. Sure they’ve opened themselves up to the Mojave in the last few months, they’ve supplied engineers to the Dam and Helios as well as Black Mountain, but they’ve gained something from every one of those agreements.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Sat 07 Jun 2025 18:57:07 No. 6254364 Report Quoted By:
He’s done the bare minimum improvements on the town, but everyone is employed and the wages are market-value and rent is what can be expected. It’s safe, albeit boring and the work is hard.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 07 Jun 2025 22:31:05 No. 6254477 Report Quoted By:
Hardin gets up and moves over to shake your hand.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 07 Jun 2025 22:31:36 No. 6254478 Report <span class="mu-b"> Vance: We’ll give our five Vertibirds for this operation, but cannot provide the manpower. Relations with the NCR are frosty and this could start a war if they find out we raided a depot of the size you described.</span>>Accept >Deny >Write-In
Anonymous
>>6254478 >Write-In >What about Helios One is so special you would push for full control of it over anywhere else? Anonymous
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>>6254478 See and this is why I wanted to get some more Vertibirds before we talked to them. Backing
>>6254482 , it's a bit more direct than I'd like but might as well.
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>>6254482 Ask this, but in a less direct way.
And why do they need all the energy?
Also, if we were to agree - it is contingent on our forces (military and scientific) still being able to access the site going forward…
But I am inclined to take the deal
Anonymous
>>6254478 >The rest of my cohort may forget to bring it up, so I will. Contingent on our support for both this mission and future cooperation in all aspects, we request the full ownership and operation of Helios One. In return, we will assist with the repairing of more turbines at Hoover to make up for the lost power. I don't like the idea of a major power source being in the hands of a third party, much less one that might entertain ideas of taking us over if we give them too long a leash. That said, I'm not worried about ARCHIMEDES as much as how much unrestrained influence this offers them over the region.
They're trying very hard to make themselves the go-to techs of the Mojave, and their "concessions" only play harder into doing so. They already informally control Helios and are responsible for some of the operations at Hoover Dam, and they're attempting to consolidate influence over both of them with this deal. Suffice to say, letting them accumulate de facto control over both sites would be (at their leisure) a death sentence to our sovereignty.
While I'm not quite sure how best to diplomatically wrangle the control away, I'll spitball some ideas.
>Have them agree to train up independent engineers and electricians >Ask them to share Old-World civil technologies without meaningful combat applications >Place a cap on how many of their people (civilian or otherwise) can be present at the Dam >State a need to fortify the Dam with our forces to protect from the Legion >Offer a cut of the take from the mission in exchange for concessions >Ferret out the existence of ARCHIMEDES and use that to pressure them In essence, keeping them from taking over or compromising the Dam is what we should be aiming for. Helios One isn't actually that important in comparison.
Anonymous
>>6254502 >Have them agree to train up independent engineers and electricians They just said that they planned to do this.
>We want to provide training to your fledgling armed forces, technical expertise at points of interest around the region and a training program to eventually replace those NCR engineers at Hoover and to run a more advanced industry. Anonymous
>>6254511 >We want to provide training to your fledgling armed forces, technical expertise at points of interest around the region and a training program to eventually replace those NCR engineers at Hoover and to run a more advanced industry. I interpreted that as "give combat training to your forces but with our own forces providing the technical expertise".
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FOQ22ohq Sat 07 Jun 2025 23:33:51 No. 6254516 Report I’ll just answer that
[blue] Galen: We have surprisingly little understanding of solar energy, due to their destruction during the Great War and scavenging by the NCR in the intervening years. The NCR-Brotherhood war also saw much of our solar capacity destroyed. So that’s why we have such an interest in this site, research and development of solar energy. We’d share what we learn, of course. [/blue]
>>6254512 It’s independent training so they would presumably fall under your authority
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FOQ22ohq Sat 07 Jun 2025 23:38:35 No. 6254519 Report >>6254516 Just assume that text is blue
Anonymous
>>6254519 I can't see Blue, Re-do.
Also, Damn, Can't believe we can't call them fake and gay.
Also how the fuck is the western brotherhood alive? Anonymous
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>>6254516 >It’s independent training so they would presumably fall under your authority Oh, okay. Never mind then.
Anonymous
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>>6254478 >Accept >>6254516 I'm sure their interest in solar energy is part of the reason but I find it hard to believe they haven't found anything at all on ARCHIMEDES in the past few months. Ah well.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sat 07 Jun 2025 23:48:14 No. 6254531 Report >>6254522 >western brotherhood Because they’re Todd’s self insert and his power is felt through me
Anonymous
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>>6254478 >Accept More power and allies. We will eat ncr and make it better.
Anonymous
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>>6254478 >Accept Surely they only have the best of intentions.
Anonymous
>>6254478 >Write-In Accept, but with the caveat of keeping a supervisory presence to help coordinate their power production with our own for when/if the dam is entirely ran by our own people and so on. ||Just in case they really are after the satellite laser.||
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>>6254478 >Gift us those Vertibirds, and you have yourself a deal. Of course, we’ll consider the deal voided if the BoS attack us, but who’d be crazy enough for that? Or we could throw some mysterybox tech at them to entice them into a different deal.
Really, the point is to make them balk at giving us ownership of a significant chunk of their power projection so as they back off on their full ownership bid but continue to support us to piss in the NCR’s cereal bowl.
Anonymous
>>6254640 They're 100% after the laser, but it's also a point in-game that the laser isn't nearly as good as it sounds on paper, so I'm not too worried about it.
That said, I support finagling a supervisory presence out of them, if only to keep them from getting too comfortable about investigating ARCHIMEDES or plotting anything. Just a few people who'll be the equivalent of canaries in a coal mine, so we'll have some warning if they decide to start making a move.
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>>6254676 To be fair, the laser is a experimental prototype - for all we know they'll work out a way to make it work far better and frankly even if they don't, it's still a superweapon not in our hands. Admittedly, without the C-Finder, it's totally harmless - away from Helios-1 at least - and what are the chances of the BOS buying a toy gun off of a Freeside kid?
Anonymous
>>6254516 Question: Do we in-character know about Archimedes? Surely we came across it when we jigged the power up. Also, um, if they are trying to reactivate it, then Freeside is going to have a gigantic hole in it when they do.
I'm inclined to accept, but I don't like the idea of them operating willy nilly. I'm thinking our first Intelligence target, after the Salvatores/Enclave (and oh boy are they going to be pissed about that if they ever find out) should be the Brotherhood, just to be safe.
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>>6254847 We skipped all the NCR and Legion quests, so we never did anything at Helios One. We don't know anything about the superweapon beyond the Brotherhood being weirdly intent on holding this specific power plant for themselves.
>Also, um, if they are trying to reactivate it, then Freeside is going to have a gigantic hole in it when they do. The C-Finder canonically has a safety, which is why the kid with it doesn't accidentally blow up Freeside if you powered the weapon beforehand. ...Though it's not impossible that it got switched off somehow.
Anonymous
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:6ozNpfir Sun 08 Jun 2025 14:45:28 No. 6254937 Report Quoted By:
>>6254847 I think the ultimate decision was the Courier knows there’s something at Helios called the Project but you don’t know the details since you went with powering Freeside.
It’s a cop out but hey
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:6ozNpfir Sun 08 Jun 2025 16:39:33 No. 6254982 Report Quoted By:
Taking the agreement but having a few technicians stay there for oversight.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 08 Jun 2025 18:19:51 No. 6255037 Report There’s another layer to this deal and you can’t put your finger on it. You didn’t spend long at Hidden Valley but you know there was something else going on at the facility. You have your guesses but in light of not having a firm guess, you don’t want to sink this deal with the Brotherhood over guesses.>Write-In
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>>6255037 >Ask them to expand upon the current Brotherhood-NCR relations >>6254531 thats the east coast brotherhood Todd Anonymous
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>>6255037 1) Any maps they have of the post-war US would be appreciated, specifically listing nations; tribes; hazards; pre-war military or corporate facilities of note, etc. Ideally marking out at least some of their outposts/bases too, understandably none within the NCR but beyond that, knowing where nominally friendly places are for our Vertibirds to land will be nice.
2) It would be appreciated, given their power armour and stocks of hazmat/radiation suits, if they would assist in decontamination efforts of irradiated or otherwise dangerous locations whenever necessary.
3) Can we get assurances that there won't be any incidents between them and supermutants and nightkin in our territory?
4) Are there any industrial, agricultural or service products in particular they would import/purchase from us? Both from present limited industries and what they'd desire to purchase if we had it, so we can try and tailor ourselves to be a more useful ally.
5) What's going on between the NCR and BOS?
6) Between the BOS and the Legion?
Anonymous
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>>6255037 >Ask about the Texan BoS and if they're aware of any other independent factions in the region. Anonymous
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>>6255037 >What about water-reclamation? Have any experience with that? New Vegas would appreciate proper water treatment facilities before water security becomes an issue. >Mind assist us in creating some blimps with significant cargo capacity? Or in creating a competitive aerospace industry to rival the NCR’s subsidiaries? Two of the main things that come to mind, unless they’d be willing to supply us with their excess Vertibirds and Power Armor I’m sure they’re stockpiling for a rainy day.
With the Salvatores, assuming we can Body Snatch their lieutenants with out MiB/CIA, we could run an NCR counterfeiting scheme and make Nordic Gold for Legion territory as a deniable asset/source of income. Something to think about.
Anonymous
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>>6255037 >Inform them about the Boomer Blight and request assistance If they're intelligent (which is admittedly a coin flip), they'll recognize that they themselves have a lot to lose by letting a human-human disease get out of control, much less an engineered one originating from the Vault 22 strain with an unknown creator.
>Ask about the Texan and Midwest Chapters Just sheer curiosity (and lining up which games are canon).
>Mention the mutants and nightkin that are under our protection, and extract an agreement of nonaggression "Don't start none won't be none" is probably the best we can hope for here.
>Request access to peaceful civil engineering (and other) technologies they would be willing to see spread throughout the wasteland They were willing to do this with the NCR way back before things soured, so if we leave the ball in their court they might be willing to do it again.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 08 Jun 2025 23:56:24 No. 6255265 Report Quoted By:
<span class="mu-b"> Vance: There’s a tentative peace between the West Coast Brotherhood and the NCR, though that’s mostly because they don’t want to besiege Lost Hills. This peace doesn’t extend to other chapters, such as the Mojave Chapter. With the ongoing Legion-NCR war, they can’t marshal the forces to wipe us out but we can’t do much but hold our ground. Between us, it’s a peace I don’t expect to last. </span>
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Sun 08 Jun 2025 23:56:54 No. 6255267 Report [The only other lingering question is in specific technologies that you can share with this region, particularly civil technologies such as water-reclamation and aero-space industry?]
Anonymous
Speaking of the Securitrons, we should really get around to inspecting the securitron vault beneath Fortification Hill.
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>>6255339 Oh shit yeah that's a thing we can do, definitely should get around to that. If nothing else the vault seemed to have its own power supply, might be worth trying to hook it into the grid so we can use it for power generation if nothing else. Also, since we have that one factory that's a promising source of Protectrons, I have an idea for an effective way to make them into a weapon - we replace their with a pair of Securitron rocket pods, turn them into low-rent mobile artillery that only needs a spotter to bombard an area in rockets. It might also be a good idea to finish up the research into the Securitrons themselves, since that may let us start improving them a lot easier...
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FOQ22ohq Mon 09 Jun 2025 12:37:16 No. 6255579 Report Quoted By:
Lily may be great in a combat situation, but attempting to be innocuous in Freeside as a 9 foot tall blue monster would be hard for anyone. Especially when the blue monster can turn invisible.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FOQ22ohq Mon 09 Jun 2025 18:17:11 No. 6255681 Report Quoted By:
It’s been nearly a year since you’ve been to Zion, making friends with Joshua Graham, Daniel and the two tribes. Joshua swore you as a lifelong ally after you assisted in driving off the Legion-backed White Legs. While Daniel disapproved of the tactics, he also was just as appreciative for the support you gave to his flock.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FOQ22ohq Mon 09 Jun 2025 19:00:54 No. 6255706 Report Chalk falters and seems to be at a loss for words. He instead points over at Daniel approaching from across the clearing.
Anonymous
>>6255706 Fuck, what a gut punch. I didn’t know we’d crit failed Zion.
>>6255267 >Get the BoS help to resolve the Boomer Blight Fuck this blight
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FOQ22ohq Mon 09 Jun 2025 20:43:30 No. 6255773 Report Daniel: It was around that time that another tribe moved in. We don’t know where they came from but Joshua said they had all of the markings of an auxiliary tribe under Caesar’s control. I was preparing to evacuate the remainder of the Sorrows and Dead Horses when they left just as quickly as they came. The hostile tribes returned any captives they took but our housing was destroyed, lands pillaged. Joshua stayed behind and has sent me to ask for any help you can give.
Anonymous
>>6255773 Okay fuck this.
Get the BoS, Followers, Doctor Henry, and Big MT on the horn and get the Vault 22 shit resolved yesterday. Because this disease clearly isn't going to stop coming back on its own.
Dump next turn's industrial and financial power into medicine production, because just finding a vaccine or cure doesn't mean we'll automatically be able to meaningfully produce it, and the infrastructure takes time to set up. Besides, it dovetails really nicely with investing in Freeside for the King, and the BoS just said they'll be a market once Zion gets unfucked.
...Maybe see about sending some Followers up to Zion? With funding and supplies to set up a branch and their own emergency medicine production? At the very least having a radio communication channel with them should help coordinate relief efforts. And with Black Mountain we shouldn't have to do too much on their side to get something up and running.
Anonymous
>>6255773 I wonder if its the same blight, but fucking rip Waking Cloud.
Can't have the Harem dream team no more.
Anonymous
>>6255773 Grim. But at least Caesar kept his word.
Anonymous
So the followers do exists as an organization beyond our borders I think we need to put together a detailed brief on the situation in Zion for every follower chapter we can reach. We can offer to subsidize their relief efforts and we need similar private briefs for both the NCR and Legion ask them to cough up some cash to help the relief efforts.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Mon 09 Jun 2025 23:41:36 No. 6255869 Report >>6255832 >>6255818 >>6255797 >>6255749 Good thing Follows-Chalk never mentioned how much Waking Cloud talked about you after you left Zion >pic marginally related Anonymous
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>>6255869 Stop breaking my heart, please. It’s rubbing salt onto this totally-not-a-crit failure ;_;
Anonymous
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>>6255869 Don't worry, All her proper white children will lead the tribe to glory in the coming Sorrows Anonymous
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>>6255855 I think the idea.
Anonymous
Well, good news is that the tribes are weak enough suborning them entirely to our government will see 0 resistance - because frankly they'd welcome having a mostly-friendly overlord given how shit their situation is.
Anonymous
>>6255890 We’re looking at a net drain from Zion for years- really, this feels like a crit failure in its totally. Now, I get that it could be worse- as in, completely rendering the Honest Hearts DLC ending we chose irrelevant- but this definitely doesn’t feel like a 17, especially considering how the Salvatore’s 19 roll went way better.
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>>6255910 I know what you mean - but - to be honest the signs that Boomer Blight might've been present in Zion were kinda evident from the moment we knew it came out of Vault 22. An argument can be made that we should've had a chance to do something, but maybe we did and we just didn't see it because of hidden rolls by QM or something. Also yeah, it's a net-drain for years probably but being able to totally absorb Zion simplifies our movement into Utah a lot.
Anonymous
Also note that we failed to ask the BoS to help with it when we had the chance. Monkey paw is harsh but fair.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Tue 10 Jun 2025 02:21:46 No. 6255919 Report Quoted By:
>>6255910 Fwiw, I had plans for Zion and this just sped it up and made the effects a little worse. The failure didn’t cause the plague
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>>6255917 Yeah we prbably should ask the BoS for some help at this point considering it's wiped out most of Zion. It's not just a localised thing near the boomers, this has the potential to spread across the Wasteland. (And I bet it's because of Elijah, that freak). It'll be in their direct interest to contain it.
Anonymous
Meanwhile, in Zion Civ Quest...>Middling roll, fingers crossed guys >The Courier's our bro, he did our redemption quest. He wouldn't hang us out to dry. >goddammit Daniel stop fucking up for 5 seconds >Sadist QM, putting us through this bullshit >Sadist? THE LEGION LITERALLY TURNED AROUND AND WENT HOME >We could have saved her if we had saved our boon, but instead we wasted it converting that one guy to Christianity because "he was important and it would pay dividends later." Better have been worth it. >We could have prevented this several turns ago by not listening to that faggot shaman who warned us not to go to New Vegas. Because healing powder and hand washing are a match for a zombie plague, right? >It was the critfailed containment check that screwed us, we might have had a chance otherwise >Okay guys, this is how we can get Cloud back. First we harvest her brain, then we convince the Courier to tell us about Big MT... (1/6) >She's gone anon, let it go.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:mGWfwQ41 Tue 10 Jun 2025 12:24:11 No. 6256098 Report Quoted By:
>>6256087 Fucking kek anon. Good shit. Too bad I started this right after April or maybe we’d have had a bizarro-NGNM episode
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>>6255890 >I would also consider throwing a Courier action to head to Zion and do what we can on the ground to help stabilize the situation. Honestly, I think we can do more for them as a ruler than we can as a person on the ground. They'd be happy to see us, I'm sure, but I'll wager right now they'd be happier to see a bunch of medicine and tools with a note from us promising more to come.
Incidentally, their expressed need for farming implements means that we could probably negotiate a good deal with Ted and Heck for a large quantity of them
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:mGWfwQ41 Tue 10 Jun 2025 14:48:16 No. 6256127 Report Quoted By:
Whether it’s a measure of impatience or just wanting to put more focus on the RMRP, you direct increased industrial effort as well as the Secretary of Commerce to assist with the construction and expansion of farms around the Region.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:mGWfwQ41 Tue 10 Jun 2025 15:28:10 No. 6256130 Report Totally forgot to ask for a roll for the research. Since I’m feeling kind, we can do BO3 1d100+2
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Rolled 76 + 2 (1d100 + 2) >>6256130 Anonymous
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Rolled 15 + 2 (1d100 + 2) >>6256130 Anonymous
Rolled 79 + 2 (1d100 + 2) Maybe qw could bring in some of the tribes here?
>>6256130 Roll.
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Rolled 22 + 2 (1d100 + 2) >>6256130 TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS
TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:mGWfwQ41 Tue 10 Jun 2025 17:56:09 No. 6256191 Report Quoted By:
>>6256180 Bringing some tribes to the Mojave? Definitely an option for you guys. Plenty of room and a few towns have the ability to take the population. Probably not Freeside though
Anonymous
Had an evil thought.
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>>6256288 Honestly? I’m more in favor of bringing it up in order to elicit more favorable trade/funds from Caesar, same as the NCR intel we’ll obviously be handing over for more political points.
If we really want to be evil, we preempt Caesar and float the idea of using those diseased troops to sabotage the NCR crop yields for further favor-inclined rewards.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Wed 11 Jun 2025 00:15:29 No. 6256347 Report The balancing act with the Legion is perhaps the most difficult and potentially rewarding challenge you’re facing. On one hand, Caesar sees you as his Augustus, a comparison that you can’t say you disagree with on the surface.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Wed 11 Jun 2025 00:19:06 No. 6256351 Report Quoted By:
A look of disgust plays across Dead Sea’s face before rigid discipline takes back over. >Caesar’s Legion will subsidize 70% of the cost of exports to the Mojave to drop price for local consumers >Caesar’s Legion will prioritize the Mojave as the second most important trade partner for unprohibited technology and salvage and allow specialty orders coming from the Mojave Government >Caesar’s Legion will prioritize the Mojave as a Primaria Socius Trade which will result in heightened imports from the Mojave for anything not prohibited by Caesar
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Wed 11 Jun 2025 00:19:36 No. 6256353 Report As condescending as he is, this feels like one of the better negotiations you’ve been in. In fact, no questions come to mind immediately. >Any questions/further asks? The current deal is already set in stone so anything asked/agreed on will not hinder the presumably-accepted offer
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>>6256353 >Inform him of the NCR depot to the north, ask if the legion would be willing to provide frumentarri and “raider” manpower to conduct the raid. We will make off with all the loot they just get the privilege of sabotaging NCR operations >inform him of the boomer blight basically a scientific briefing he can send back to Caesar with a general request that Caesar provides financial aid to a future relief mission to Zion. Express that it’s in everyone’s interest to prevent this outbreak from spreading Anonymous
>>6256353 >You said second most important trade partner for unrestricted technology and salvage? I’m curious who the first is, and if we can displace them? >To Caesar- send him the NCR Hawthorne intel (and if anons agree, float the idea of using his maybe-diseased soldiers to reduce NCR crop yields) Figure this intel may benefit us materially here, and if not, at least politically.
>Talk to Red Lucy about creating an offshoot of the Thorn in Bolder City for Legion entertainment, and potentially invest in better accommodations for the Legion Embassy. Figure Dead Sea might appreciate it. Maybe we can make it into colosseum.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:mGWfwQ41 Wed 11 Jun 2025 00:48:43 No. 6256372 Report Quoted By:
>>6256288 That is supremely devilish anon
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>>6256353 >Inform them of a blight and what its causing/side-effects/ect for the legion to be made aware of that they need to keep alert for, Also
>>6256370 backing this guy with the offshoot of the Torn in bolder city
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>>6256353 >To Caesar- send him the NCR Hawthorne intel (and if anons agree, float the idea of using his maybe-diseased soldiers to reduce NCR crop yields) >Inform them of a blight and what its causing/side-effects/ect for the legion to be made aware of that they need to keep alert for. >Talk to Red Lucy about creating an offshoot of the Thorn in Bolder City for Legion entertainment, and potentially invest in better accommodations for the Legion Embassy. Anonymous
>>6256370 For sure inform Caesar about the plague and there should be no harm in more entertainment. It just I am not sure were we will get fighters that are not slaves and we will want more meds to keep them healed.
>>6256288 This could be good and we can still send plagued people to NCR if we want to go hard into bio warfare.
Main problem with sending people to ncr is the possibly of the plagued mutating to be stronger or just coming back to us from trade.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Wed 11 Jun 2025 01:42:08 No. 6256410 Report Quoted By:
>>6256409 There are plenty of wastelanders that would fight to the death for a modest sum, more money if they’re even somewhat trained.
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>>6256370 Supporting this, boulder *ahem* THUNDERDOME is a good idea.
Anonymous
>>6256353 >Send Caesar the info on the Hawthorne facility >Send Caesar a scientific assessment of the fungal blight. Explain how it devastated Zion and suggest (as an ally of the Legion) the possibility that the returning legionaires are contaminated. >Attempt to negotiate financial support for the cure research, offering either free access to the cure formula or steep discounting on the cure itself, depending on the Legion's biotech capabilities Also, voting against anything that involves spreading the plague. Nothing good will come of it, especially once it mutates around our cure and we end up in the same boat as the afflicted.
Anonymous
Also opposing mentioning aid for Zion. Caesar will, at best, regard it as a pet project of ours he has no interest in. At worst, he might regard it as an undue amount of concern for one of his enemies.
Anonymous
>>6256370 Going to go with strong no on the bioterrorism. Even leaving aside the ethics and potential knock-on effects, the risk of catastrophic blowback (including with the disease being returned to sender) is unacceptable. Using diseases we don't fully understand or have control over like this is playing with fire and any communication about it should be kept to matter-of-fact advisories.
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In terms of entertainment the Legion might like, the Thorn is a good idea but depending on how Caesar is romanizing them, we could look at establishing chariot, dog or human races. Theatres would be a good idea too, though I'm less confident about them attracting Legion-folk, they would be a good thing in general. Games of skill rather than chance would also probably be decently popular if the prizes were good. One thing that might prove particularly popular / effective is a health spa - massage, herbal treatments, etc - rejuvenating as naturally as possible ought to be appealing and enjoyable even to the Legion.
One other thing that might prove useful is a maternity hospital. Counterintuitively as it might sound, I imagine Caesar would approve of not losing women and babies to cot-death and other preventable deaths - might not so much attract tourists as it would be possible to establish a compensated service for dealing with delivery. If nothing else, we want such a hospital for our own population, if it can attract trade / visitors too, great.
>TRXSY Yes, Captcha, they are tricksy...might be worth talking to some Legion traders and getting an idea of what they do for entertainment in New Rome or whatever. If nothing else, we might want to look into setting up some sort of "Legion Quarter" where their own people can come and do business to attract more of them for us...
>>6256454 This, it's also possible that Caesar doesn't realise how weak Zion is rn, so best to not highlight their depleted numbers / medical issues.
>>6256487 This, we should save any sorts of bio-warfare for after we've developed and begun production of a vaccine or anti-fungal drug. Doing it before we can actually treat infected is just asking for a NAT 1 to screw us.
Anonymous
Rather than try to emulate the Legion's arenas, we should do our own style of arena. Imagine having a bunch of guys with explosives take on an armored monster-truck, or having sentry bots fight against people armed with proton axes and stealth boys. Embrace the technology and weirdness, and let the differences draw in people from Legion lands who are interested in something similar yet very different.
Also, obligatory "no slavery or coercion, fighters know exactly what they're signing up for, and the 'fortune' part of the 'fame and fortune' is in fact worth risking your life for".
>>6256569 >it's also possible that Caesar doesn't realise how weak Zion is rn If he's gotten a report at all from the forces that were there, I'm sure he realizes that they were spanking Zion to death before he pulled them back. No harm in letting him know why that was if it gets him to help us find a cure (though asking for aid for Zion is probably a step too far).
Also, we totally came into this meeting with a pack of papers outlining the Blight, right? We've been planning to inform all the major powers about it this whole time, after all.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:EQ+apyTg Wed 11 Jun 2025 12:20:01 No. 6256599 Report Okay so >Asking for manpower for the raid on Hawthorne >Ask what kind of entertainment legion members enjoy >offer them the data on bloomer blight, subtly suggest their legion units may be infected (They may not be, just sewing further chaos) >Ask who the primary tech trading partner is
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>>6256599 Negotiate for money to help research a cure for the blight, unless that's not something he can or will do for whatever reason.
Anonymous
>>6256599 You forgot the support to give him the Hawthorne intel (NCR shipment schedules, routes, list of soldiers on each caravan, etc)
>subtly suggest their legion units may be infected (They may not be, just sewing further chaos) I personally don't support this, unless we also suggest spreading the plague kek (though really they would also come to the conclusion of using the legion units as bio weapons if we suggest they're infected lol). I say we go all or nothing.
Anonymous
>>6256370 How about resettling and rebuilding boulder city first. Since its just ruins, and the Legion embassy.
>>6256347 >The brain surgery also seems to have crossed a few wires coming from the one that got shot in the head thats funny.
>Maybe he’s right. lol as if
>>6256569 >legion quarter there are other things to prioritize than a free quarter for them
>>6256580 i had an idea of a fighting tournament done with volunteers in Vegas with different categories, but it will not be done probably. Anons will likely make an arena for the legion in boulder city.
>obligatory "no slavery or coercion At this point i am not sure on that anons seem to give in to Caesar easily.
>>6256599 just to clarify before we unintentionally or intentionally create a clusterfuck of operation, who is coming already to Hawthorne ? If is both BoS and Legion we are going to have a problem in our hands. And i would prefer we avoid such a thing. Is best we settle with one faction that does it with us.
for the rest i am fine.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:EQ+apyTg Wed 11 Jun 2025 14:21:02 No. 6256639 Report Quoted By:
>>6256626 >>6256623 You’re giving info about the depot to Dead Sea but I interpreted it as asking for manpower
And yeah the operation right now looks like BOS vertibirds (and yours) flying close to the depot. Legion shock troops breaching the perimeter and causing havoc while the birds move in closer and a small detachment moves loot to the birds.
The plan is obviously up to you guys to change but that seems to be what the idea is
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>>6256626 I agree with most of this. Boulder City should be ours, not a shrine to the Legion.
That said, creating a branch of the Thorn and expanding it into a proper arena isn't a bad idea. If a mentally-competent adult decides they want to risk their life for lots of money, shouldn't they be free to do so? Might be a lot of would-be raiders who'd decide to try their luck at bloodsports instead of banditry.
>who is coming already to Hawthorne? BoS is just providing vertibirds and not actual people because lol eternal shorthandedness. We could bring the Legion to Hawthorne I guess, but I was assuming we'd just send them the local NCR intel we snagged to play them against each other.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:EQ+apyTg Wed 11 Jun 2025 14:31:18 No. 6256645 Report Quoted By:
Regarding the operation, will leave legion personnel choice available when planning for it.
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>>6256626 >there are other things to prioritize than a free quarter for them Yeah but it is probably the most practical way to do it.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:EQ+apyTg Wed 11 Jun 2025 17:06:56 No. 6256682 Report Quoted By:
(Just imagine the Legion text is red. Don’t want to wait 12 hours to post this)
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:EQ+apyTg Wed 11 Jun 2025 17:07:58 No. 6256683 Report [We have it handled in the Mojave, but I’ve heard just days ago that Zion has been absolutely ravaged by it, roughly around the time a Legion Auxiliary tribe moved in. The Zion strain seems different, much deadlier and virulent than what we had in the Mojave. ]
Anonymous
One thing that's worth considering is what the Hawthorne raid will do for our finances. We're spending 22,000 caps per turn according to the pastebin on the firearms, ammo and maintenance provided by the Gun Runners. If Hawthorne can provide us with a vast supply of guns and ammo, even if not a income of it, we could be looking at a good opportunity to renegotiate the deal with the Gun Runners. Either a reduction in the payment and what we're getting from them, though this might cause some bad blood, or therefore more preferably, shifting their production capacity away from rifles and towards specialized weapons for various purposes (e,g sniper rifles, machineguns, SMGs, grenade launchers, attachments like silencers, night vision scopes, etc) or to producing weapons like pistols and shotguns for the police force.
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>>6256690 >Also interesting to note that music might be a decent export - in the sense of vinyl records or holotapes or what have you. A decent way to generate some sense of Mojave culture internally too. And I know just the type of music they'd like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtt78SW-mgg Anonymous
>>6256683 >The Zion strain seems different, much deadlier and virulent than what we had in the Mojave. So this is the QM's subtle hint that we can't just work with the existing samples we have and are probably going to need samples from Zion and Vault 22 if we want a real cure to this shit.
Ask Julie how much it would cost to arrange the Followers expanding into Zion. No holding back on the presence of the new blight and how awful things are going to be there.
Anonymous
Also, how about having a representative of the Families on our council? We can have each of them select someone and have them play cards to determine which of them get to be the one to air the Families' opinions and grievances.Really I'm just concerned that we haven't heard much from them, and worry that the Salvatores are trying to sway them against us.
Anonymous
>>6256683 Hey are the Legion embassy staff disguised or are they wearing the usual red skirts? I'm kind of worried about Boone and BT One doing something stupid, we should consider talking to Boone sometime. Surely he can't be too upset with us for playing nice with the Legion, we wouldn't need to if the NCR didn't try fucking with us every chance they got.
>>6256797 >and worry that the Salvatores are trying to sway them against us. I don't think that's going to be an issue with the White Gloves and Chairmen. The Omertas I'm less sure about.
Anonymous
>>6256807 >we should consider talking to Boone sometime We should probably do this. We swayed him by asking him to be our conscience on things, and he's less likely to feel betrayed if we explain everything of our own volition rather than because he found out and confronted us.
Really, between the bizarre situation with Caesar and all the stuff we've low-key done to sabotage the Legion I think he's not going to automatically hate us for what we've done. "I've sent the Legion hurtling toward civil war and got Caesar butchering his men out of spiraling paranoia" is a pretty compelling argument.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:EQ+apyTg Wed 11 Jun 2025 22:50:46 No. 6256824 Report Quoted By:
>>6256807 The Legion is not in disguises and its well known that the legion has a diplomatic station in the Mojave so do with that as you will
Anonymous
>>6256817 >Really, between the bizarre situation with Caesar and all the stuff we've low-key done to sabotage the Legion I think he's not going to automatically hate us for what we've done. "I've sent the Legion hurtling toward civil war and got Caesar butchering his men out of spiraling paranoia" is a pretty compelling argument. You should consider that Boone doesn't accept the Courier saying that he's secretly spying on the Legion as a valid excuse, if the Courier gets too friendly with Caesar. Who knows, maybe he's calmed down a little, but he's shown to be pretty stubborn about his hatred towards the Legion as a whole, and might not budge about it.
Anonymous
Our best bet if we confront him is to play up the "If Caesar came at us, we'd fucking die" angle of things. Because it's the honest to god truth, even assuming we somehow scraped together enough guns to hold the line, an active war in our territory would kill trade and tourism, which'd kill our ability to sustain that army which means Caesar would only have to wait a matter of a few months for the Vegas state to collapse when either the money or bullets run out.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Thu 12 Jun 2025 00:57:26 No. 6256877 Report Quoted By:
<span class="mu-i">lX Legion Headquarters, New Rome</span>
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Honestly, just tell Boone to go ham on the slavers in Legion territory- he probably would appreciate being given a loose leash, and we could even get Caesar to pat us on the back for it with his Stalin routine.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:NyuufUN4 Thu 12 Jun 2025 01:05:01 No. 6256881 Report Arriving through the gate and into the massive iron front doors, you surrender your trusted gladius <span class="mu-i">Vesuvius</span>, a Praetorian Guard escorts you to the inner sanctum for the bearer of the torch of civilization.
Anonymous
>>6256827 Boone does at one point urge you to leave him behind if you want to conduct non-gun business with the Legion. He's willing to overlook a measure of interaction so long as you aren't genuinely helping the Legion (and he doesn't have to be around them).
>>6256830 This is more true than most anons realize. We took the dam by both helping the NCR fight the Legion and angling it so they took the brunt of the losses. Worse, our choice to talk down Lanius is biting us in the ass because he left with a solid portion of his forces still intact.
In other words, Lanius lost to two armies at once, and now we're down one of those armies while he's down only a portion of his. If Lanius didn't care about holding our land he would have a decent chance of stomping us if he invaded right now, to say nothing of what the NCR would do if we managed to fend him off.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Thu 12 Jun 2025 11:23:54 No. 6257070 Report Quoted By:
Boomer Blight is the biggest priority for your government and therefore the new report from Arcade and Henry took priority over everything else in the day. Sorry, Secretary Weintraub, dinner will have to wait.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Thu 12 Jun 2025 11:24:55 No. 6257071 Report Quoted By:
You place the report on the desk and finish the rest of your drink. You start thinking through who is behind the biological warfare but quickly nip that train of thought in the bud. Would it do much right now?
Anonymous
Methinks now is the time to go talk to the Brotherhood. Also we should probably post some securitrons near Vault 22 for safety. Did we ever capture or kill those weird raiders that were hanging out near Nellis awhile back?
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>>6257092 Talking to the BOS is probably wise, though I've concerns about getting indebted to them and would prefer not to spend an action on it - just bring them into the loop, we don't need to go talk with them. Posting Securitrons at Vault 22 is probably unnecessary but even just five to keep watch is reasonable. Never captured or killed those weird raiders but they were probably Legion, probably.
Anonymous
>>6256690 >We're spending 22,000 caps per turn according to the pastebin on the firearms, ammo and maintenance provided by the Gun Runners The price of the battle rifle, is probably fair. There is no local weapon industry experience or knowledge. I don't think we can handle anything more than a battle rifle (except something lower) in production, in fact we have no industry and we neither gather resources or refine them for the purpose of crafting a product except leather, and the small amount of medicine made by the Followers.
The main problem with Hawthorne is that...no multiple problems.
1 - how much do we plan to carry away
2 - split, BoS and Legion will want their share (if not grab when we don't look)
3 - the ammo aren't going to make themselves afterwards and the weapons are probably beyond our limit for repair and maintenance. maybe a few infantry companies can be raised with this, for how long they can operate with them very wild guess. we aren't going to have an entire army equipped with this, thats for sure.
>in the sense of vinyl records or holotapes i don't remember us producing them. And i don't think we want to sell anything with old world knowledge.
>>6256781 >Ask Julie how much it would cost to arrange the Followers expanding into Zion. I think we need to burn the outside of Vault 22, burn anything else alive in Zion, and then seal Vault 22 outside with cement for future research. Zion is lost, too much wilderness. And honestly ? The followers have barebones presence and what can be barely called a "base" of operation here in NV and the Mojave. Sending them there sound like a good way for them to die while spending an high amount of money. The logistics would also be a nightmare for this operation.: a long distance medical operation in a tribal land with an evolving hyper dangerous disease that thrives where there is biological life and with a shitty base (old mormon fort) to send supplies from ? And who remains in the Mojave ? The followers are in a tight situation here in NV and slowly improving it, they aren't flush on numbers either. Yeah no, cut our losses and convince the tribes to be here instead. We barely control the Mojave anyway.
>>625679 No they are our vassals, we should check them on our own not have them in our direct cabinet. Having them there would create a dangerous factor of internal problems between our direct government and them. The King is a good example of a possible spark of this, but i bet something could happen between them and almost all other "elements" of our government.
>concerned Then we talk with the families. And at this point we exterminate the Salvatores in NV. Maybe pay a visit in New Reno for send a message to fuck off, and by message i mean killing more Salvatores.
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>>6257092 >we should probably post some securitrons near Vault 22 for safety. 100%, but they will need to be decontaminated every so often
It’s also a bit late, this strain is out there.
>Our team can confidently say that this is a manufactured strain based on what is found in Vault 22. Who has the technology, educated workforce, research capacity and budget to do this…
Enclave? Yes
BoS? Yes
Elijah? Possibly
NCR? Possible, but unlikely
Legion? No
Raiders? No
Anyway, should we head to Big MT and get them to analyse it?
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>>6257109 >There is no local weapon industry experience or knowledge. Gun Runners exist, NCR intended investment to produce simple firearms so that's not exactly accurate right now or even in future, assuming you're discounting the Gun Runners themselves.
>I don't think we can handle anything more than a battle rifle (except something lower) in production The Assault Carbine was a option for a reason. We can produce more advanced weapons, they're just more expensive.
>in fact we have no industry and we neither gather resources or refine them for the purpose of crafting a product except leather, and the small amount of medicine made by the Followers. NCR investment intends to establish scrap refining / harvesting operations, so that'll change. Similarly the RMRP has a few more months to run but by the end of it we're going to have some industry. Also you are confusing "businesses we own or are told about" with the entire vegas economy. We didn't know leather armour was being made in Vegas until after we got into that business ourselves. We can assume at least some small scale production of goods of various sorts in an artisinal sense, even if not in industrially useful quantities.
>The main problem with Hawthorne is that...no multiple problems. There are a number of possibilities:
1) We take the base quietly but don't take the town, so we've got until someone notices something odd and comes to take a look - but even then, might be able to remain covert for awhile.
2) We seize the base loudly but don't take the town, so we're limited to maybe a day or two of looting before they rally the civilians (with whatever guns they took during their retreat) and use sheer firepower / numbers to take back the base.
3) They don't rally or don't have enough guns or can't motivate the civilians, we've got until they can call in reinforcements to extract as much as we can.
4) We manage to take them down and prevent them getting a message out that they'd been attacked - including the town - we've got an unknown but probably decently long period where we can extract as much as we want with 0 risk and then a unknown period of time after they realize something is up, since they might not send a sizeable force at first.
The split is something we'd need to discuss with them but frankly it's possibly going to be us getting the minority of the stuff unless the Courier himself is present to force through charisma and intimidation and bartering out a great deal. If we're lucky, whenever we break open some of the bunkers we'll find a bunch of protectrons - strap them down with cargo and have them haul themselves and shit for us back to Vegas: Legion won't want them because they don't like robots; BOS might like them, but if we're sending them walking home, it isn't like they can easily stop us and raising an issue about it at the time won't be easy when there's so much to grab.
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>>6257133 The good thing for us is that involving the Legion simplifies our logistics. Although we should still attempt to airlift as much as we can out, we can hopefully load down the Legionaries (and whatever slaves they bring - and the ones they take from the base and nearby town probably) with extra loot. They walk it back to their camp, we can fly it back from there without having any issues with the NCR. Depending on the distance from their camp to Hawthorne vs Vegas, we might even direct the airlift there as a temporary storage site for all the loot and then distribute it out later. A bit risky perhaps but if it cut the flight-time in half, that'd mean twice as many trips which means roughly twice as much loot (since halving the flight doesn't change loading and unloading times).
If we assume a total turnaround time of six hours and that each Vertibird can carry 2 tonnes of cargo (certainly an underestimate, a Huey can do two tonnes), in a day they'd be able to move 8 tonnes. If the BOS bring three Vertibirds, that means we can move 32 tonnes of cargo. If we hold the base for three days, we're almost a hundred tonnes of military gear even before we consider what the Legion can lug out on foot or what we might be able to move by sending a bunch of Securitrons or something. If we assume that the Legion sends two hundred men and they end up with another hundred of slaves, each carrying ten and fiffy kilos respectively per day back to their basecamp under ideal conditions, that'd give us 7 tonnes per day out by foot by the Legion. At those numbers, every twenty slaves is a tonne per day. The town nearby has plenty of civilians they could take, even if most wouldn't be suited to the labour - but omelettes and eggs, they'll move yet more gear out.
So, let's say we get 32 tonnes out by air and another 8 tonnes out by ground - though if they get enough people from the town or bring more Legionaries and slaves than I'm suggesting, it could be higher - that's 40 tonnes per day. If we hold the base for three days, 120 tonnes of gear. A week, 280 tonnes of gear. If by some miracle it took the NCR a month to force us out, we'd be beyond a thousand tonnes out and at that point even 10% of the haul would be more gear than we probably have people willing to fight with it. I don't think for a second it's realistic we'll get a month - a week is reasonably possible if Hawthorne isn't near their railways or they've not got forces free for immediate redeployment or what have you, especially since they might send a dozen rangers at first to recon and only then show up in force which'd buy us a day or two.
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>>6257135 >3 - the ammo aren't going to make themselves afterwards Yeah but a bullet really isn't that complicated. A 5mm round for an assault carbine is fundamentally the same materials in a similar configuration as for our battle rifle ammo. We might not be able to produce special rounds like explosives or incendiaries or whatever, but we can feed lead even if in disappointing quantities right now.
>and the weapons are probably beyond our limit for repair and maintenance Maybe any energy weapons, but guns ought to be fine even if we won't be able to replace polymer stocks, we can substitute wood or steel when it becomes needed. There's also the point that we've the cooperation of the BOS and that means we can get them to help with maintaining our gear if we don't mind relying on them, at least until we've native industry and specialists trained up.
>maybe a few infantry companies can be raised with this, for how long they can operate with them very wild guess. we aren't going to have an entire army equipped with this, thats for sure. I wouldn't be so dismissive. I'd also make a point that "a few infantry companies" is likely to be our entire army for a very long time. We've a population of around 70,000. If we have a standing army of 2% of the population, that's just 1400 people. 7 infantry companies with 0 reserves or other formations. If we want even a single company handling stuff like logistics or artillery, that'd drop our forces down to just 1200 infantry. Sure, National Guard will probably double or even triple these numbers, but we're still talking at most about 4200 people if we hit 6%. There's also the point that another 6 infantry companies would be 150,000 (nearer this since we're supposing to have the guns and gear for them through the Hawthorne operation) to 300,000 caps to raise and another 60,000 in upkeep (at least as it stands).
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>>6256989 That's a good point.
>>6257131 >Anyway, should we head to Big MT and get them to analyse it? I can support that.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Thu 12 Jun 2025 14:36:39 No. 6257154 Report Happy Thursday Wastelanders, you’ve almost made it to the end of the week. Hell, who am I kidding? We work weekends too!
I have some news from around the Mojave that is sure to breathe some life into our monotonous schedule. So let’s get to it.
If you’re down on your luck and need a new start, look no further than…the Westside Republic? That’s right, the quiet little North Vegas settlement has embarked on further investment in manufacturing and farming, asking for applications to be “guest workers” for a period of time. Rumor has it that the filthy rich Heck Gunderson has also cut a deal with the independent republic to supply food and handle parts of his herd up in the Northern Mojave. I wonder what our Courier thinks of that.
Speaking of foreign interference, a conglomerate of NCR businesses have started a massive investment spree in the region focusing on tourism, manufacturing and agriculture joined by an equal investment of caps by the Mojave Government. Reaching out for a comment, Secretary of State Cassidy remarked, “We’ll take their money, sure, but we’re independent now and we’ll be independent tomorrow. The Mojave will never be an NCR state.” Bold words, but when the rubber meets the road….
That’s all I have for now, it may seem like a short news cycle but remember, no news is good news unless it comes from Mr. New Vegas.
https://youtu.be/u90beUXTKwo?si=GtT_XGWnwfMiL3GN Anonymous
>>6257154 >If you’re down on your luck and need a new start, look no further than…the Westside Republic? That’s right, the quiet little North Vegas settlement has embarked on further investment in manufacturing and farming, asking for applications to be “guest workers” for a period of time. Rumor has it that the filthy rich Heck Gunderson has also cut a deal with the independent republic to supply food and handle parts of his herd up in the Northern Mojave. I wonder what our Courier thinks of that. Right, so, might be worth starting to think about how to take over Westside.
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>>6257161 They’re a republic- just influence them to vote us into power. A Courier Action and a couple thousand caps would probably do it, and if that fails we simply tariff their manufacturing to hell, though I’d prefer to do the annexation nicely.
>>6257154 So, Cass, what’s going on with Westside? Political, ecconomic, and military- the whole shebang?
Any way we can get them to vote us in as their Presidente?
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Thu 12 Jun 2025 15:09:46 No. 6257170 Report >>6257168 Cass: I hate to admit it but how the Republic has handled their affairs is impressive. They’re not near the NCR trade routes but due to them not having the same societal and agricultural collapse we did, they’ve had a step up on us. There is a ceiling for them but they’re quickly approaching it and short of very aggressive actions, it will be hard for them to join the Mojave at large. Because right now, why would they? They are completely self sustainable and while they rely on outside trade, there is a robust inner-system that is resistant to outside influence. They’ll never be powerful enough to challenge your authority and I don’t think they’ll attempt to make deals with the NCR or Legion but I’m short on ideas if we want to absorb them.
Maybe down the line when we actually have a working government with a national identity they may see more of a reason but Westside is better off independent right now than joining us.
Anonymous
>>6257170 Eh- guess we’ll buy up any willing businesses and just wait until water security becomes a big enough issue that we find their illegal Mead pump.
Anonymous
>>6257172 Decent plan, though we could also look at forging a pretext or two to slowly erode their national sovereignty...play up the threat of the Salvatores, use that to fabricate evidence of wrongdoing on the part of their government or people, use that to push (in combination with the threat of armed conflict) for accommodations / compensation - basic stuff at first like having the right to extradite people for crimes, then more invasive stuff that weakens them ideally...though if we can fabricate proof of criminality and have the right to extradite, we could fake mass-corruption and strip their government out by the root while making it seem like we're being forced.
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I mean we don’t have to always be the good guy the west side republic is a friendly enough neighbor but a potentially painful strategic problem in the future. Right now we have the ability to mass far more forces then they ever could match. Get our infantry company and every securitrons that can be spared and march straight into west side inform them that we are happy to welcome them into the wider Mojave community.
Anonymous
>>6257229 I'll treat them like a city state in civ. We can win them over with envoys and utilities. They will not like be able to fix the water problems on their own. So we do some quest for them and fix problems. Then when we have a set national identity we can push to have them join us willing. Save us the problems later of people trying to rise up and having to fix damaged production.
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For the raid we do lack some info, but I'm hoping to have a basic plan for how we will be pathing. Like to keep where we are going hidden and gather loot faster. I'm thinking if stealth goes well we can move items near by to between Hawthorne and Luning and have them be picked up and drop off in the mountains. Them we move the loot over to
Hiko to them be carted down to New Vegas. Viva borrowing the dump truck and State Caravan Company. Guard them with our First Company and some securitrons. . Depending on how things go the red team can keep following the brown line into the mountains for cover and later pick up. Anonymous
>>6257178 I mean, do we even need a pretext?
They are already rapidly approaching the limit of their growth, and that’s with their secret water subsidy keeping their agriculture sector from collapsing. We already control their access to trade, and they sure as hell can’t compete in industry, technology, or combat power. Caesar’s trade subsidy will lower market prices, and that’s just hurts their margins, especially if we actually start adhering to the 10% tariffs in the McCarran Treaty on the ‘nominally independent’ Republic. When that Mead water ‘subsidy’ ends, so to will their independent business model, and frankly Gunderson is already putting in the work to influence their politics- how long until they vote to get annexed into New Vegas just so Gunderson’s avoids paying the Mojave tariffs?
And that doesn’t take into account the Salvatores (assuming we don’t subvert them to our ends)- they don’t have to worry about the Courier’s Securitrons or their NVPD in Westside, and that just feels like free criminal real estate, especially considering the ‘guest worker’ situation. A shared criminal pest problem will do more to create a national identity in rooting them out (assuming we don’t cut a deal or subvert them first), but that’s hardly our problem if Westside devolves into a Mobocracy.
As for fabrication of criminality? Assuming the water theft itself isn’t big enough? One of their leaders murdered an NCR soldier and got away with it- imagine if both were publicized, especially after they signed a treaty to extradite criminals?
In short? They’re on borrowed time, with skeletons in their closet, and they don’t have a Supercomputer to try to Shi themselves out of annexation. Buy up the willing, put a fair tariff on their exports, and just sit back and see if the Boomer Blight doesn’t do the job for us.
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>>6257252 Reasonable, though I'm concerned that the NCR might be in control of Luning - if not even further south/east- the light guard at Hawthorne suggests they either think that no one can reach them or that they have bases elsewhere providing cover from Legion approaches.
>>6257256 >I mean, do we even need a pretext? Nope, but the goal of the pretext is to keep the Followers and such happy, make the resistance within Westside lesser and seemingly more radical / criminal. It's basically just a PR move, but PR is huge for us - legitimacy in our takeover provides a degree of legitimacy to our state as a whole, by casting us as something besides yet another conquerer. It also helps reduce the likelihood of neutral parties within Westside or our own population trying to side with them and will help prevent Heck being offended by us striking a trade partner he just made deals with. I'd make a note that unless I'm mistaken, we don't have in-character knowledge about how they're getting their water. That might be acquired, but as it stands we can't act on it. We therefore need an actual justification to act unless we want to be seen as the aggressors.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Thu 12 Jun 2025 21:00:55 No. 6257305 Report Quoted By:
The NCR has the Bureau of External AffaiRs, as well as an Internal Security Bureau and the Legion has their frightening Frumentarii. The Brotherhood is so tight-knit that they don’t have much need for an internal intelligence apparatus and any need for external security is done by select individuals like Veronica.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Thu 12 Jun 2025 21:01:56 No. 6257306 Report Quoted By:
“That’s why you’re the boss. Regarding expertise, I had my fair share of time in the Defense Intelligence Agency but I was just on loan from the Enclave Army. No one on my staff knows the details of what subterfuge looks like in practice so we can outline the roles and the general organization of these departments but that’s where our initial work will end. We don’t know what to look for in agents, how to prepare operations, all the details that the devil so loves. I suggest you ask your newfound Legion friends for support, they’re Frumentarii are the best in the wasteland or so I’ve heard.”
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>>6257161 The big advantage we have over them is that they don't have much land to work with and they're surrounded by our land, so they have to play nice with us if they want any trade at all. Furthermore, they're going to hit their ceiling soon, so I'm not worried about them as a competitor so much as an unknown variable in our own backyard.
Y'know, as long as Heck doesn't get in well enough with them that he can subsume them himself. But what are the chances of that?
>>6257256 I agree with 90% of what you're saying, but
>that’s hardly our problem if Westside devolves into a Mobocracy. It is a huge problem if that happens. It would be the same problem the US is having with Mexican cartels spreading crime across the border while not being able to meaningfully do anything about it without it being considered an invasion of a sovereign nation. Letting the Salvatores turn the place into New New Reno is probably the biggest way we can seriously lose in this interaction.
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>>6257133 I favor doing things as quietly as possible. Preferably with as little death as possible to minimize the likelihood that the NCR gets serious about finding out who did it (and also to not be an asshole). If we do involve the Legion, let them leave behind evidence of their presence so we don't get pegged for this.
In a perfect world we'd be able to slip in and out and empty a bunker without any deaths, but I doubt that's going to be on the table unless we want to postpone everything until we can corrupt the local NCR guards.
>>6256881 Just going to mention, I love these little asides where we see various people reacting to the decisions made by us and the other powers.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Thu 12 Jun 2025 22:31:26 No. 6257357 Report Quoted By:
>>6257332 Thanks! It’s probably some of the most fun I have writing and I do have a plan for the stories of both of these fellas and you can be sure it’s a collision course with the Courier
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Thu 12 Jun 2025 22:43:51 No. 6257366 Report Between the locked bunker and the incredibly valuable military gear sitting almost unguarded, an action against Hawthorne is a tantalizing option and one you’ve given plenty of thought and energy towards. You have the BoS vertibirds on standby and a Legionary shock troop ready to assist, but there are still plenty of questions to answer. >Fuck Hawthorne. Maybe you’ll get around to it eventually but you’re just not in a position to gain anything of value for the cost >I said I’m stealing shit and I meant it. We’re going in with Legion troops and Brotherhood vertibirds to smash and grab as much as we can >Smash and Grab but using your own soldiers. No way in hell you’re trusting the Brotherhood and Legion together >I'm going in a different direction….(write-in)
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>>6257366 >I said I’m stealing shit and I meant it. We’re going in with Legion troops and Brotherhood vertibirds to smash and grab as much as we can Yeah I don’t think we can justify the risk of using any of our troops, men talk and especially soldiers and a commando raid against one of the worlds two super powers would definitely be something soldiers would talk about. We can either try to hire unrelated thugs be them Salvatore’s or misc… raiders and mercenaries or we could use our robots they at least won’t talk but we’d have to make sure their were zero survivors if we went that route.
The safest play we have is to ferry in the legion forces and let them do the fighting then sweep in with a small team of securitrons to take the choice loot and get the hell out of dodge
Anonymous
>>6257366 Based on the intel we snagged, what do the defenses look like? How many people are there, what fortifications and security systems do they have, what do outgoing and incoming patrols look like?
Also, what do their long-range comms look like, and is it reasonably possible to sabotage them before they get anything out? Alternatively, how (un)likely is it that someone could access a storage bunker undetected?
Much of this probably won't be in the intel, but may as well check.
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>>6257366 >I said I’m stealing shit and I meant it. We’re going in with Legion troops and Brotherhood vertibirds to smash and grab as much as we can Brotherhood and Legion working together should put the fear of God into the NCR.
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>>6257366 >I said I’m stealing shit and I meant it. We’re going in with Legion troops and Brotherhood vertibirds to smash and grab as much as we can Go fast and hard with as little implication to us as possible.
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>>6257332 >I favor doing things as quietly as possible. My original idea was very much doing things quietly - I fully admit, a smash and grab with our allies helping ought to be easier though...
>>6257366 >I said I’m stealing shit and I meant it. We’re going in with Legion troops and Brotherhood vertibirds to smash and grab as much as we can I would take our Enclave Remnants along with us - the BOS already know they fought with us at the Dam so it's not like it'd be a surprise to them but at the same time, they represent the single strongest combat unit we've got, barring Bear Force One (who only pull ahead through superior numbers imo) and are pound-for-pound, literally the best for the job. Power armour for one thing will make it a lot easier to load and unload supplies, which will help speed up our extraction of material but they're also experienced in every aspect of warfare our infantry are not - they have experience with interrogation, with stealth and with fighting against the NCR in ways that we just can't teach.
>>6257366 >Questions on logistics or Information I may not have mentioned 1) How quickly can the Vertibirds fly between Vegas and Hawthorne?
2) Are the Remnants free for this smash-and-grab?
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Thu 12 Jun 2025 23:51:07 No. 6257396 Report >>6257374 You guess the garrison at the fort being anywhere from 150-500. You were there at night so who you saw on duty is probably not representative of the full garrison. It also could have increased or decreased in the month between.
Regarding defenses, hard points made of sandbag bunkers and heavy weaponry and a handful of guard towers that dot the interior portion of the depot. At the far edges where the storage bunkers are is an occasional outpost and patrol but it seemed very porous.
Long range comms weren’t sighted but it’s a safe bet that they have some way to communicate with higher command but who’s to say how long it will take to get reinforcements there.
Regarding the storage bunkers, you could get to one without issue but having multiple raiders do it at once? Chance of failure goes up exponentially.
>>6257391 Two hours per way.
And Moreno would be the only one willing to go. Daisy will be flying and the rest have committed themselves to other avenues to assist you. Johnson probably wouldn’t kill NCR soldiers anyway
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>>6257366 >I said I’m stealing shit and I meant it. We’re going in with Legion troops and Brotherhood vertibirds to smash and grab as much as we can Anonymous
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>>6257396 >Two hours per way. Two hours per way, call it half an hour to load and unload at either end, so five hours to complete a there-and-back trip. 24 hours lets us make four trips, though possibly five if we're lucky and such. 15,000 pounds equals 6.8 tonnes, we've...I'm not 100% sure how many Vertibirds the BOS will have brought but let's suppose 3 - that'd bring us up to 4 - which lets us move 27.2 tonnes per flight wave. Let's round that to 27 to account for additional factors and give a bit of breathing room...27 tonnes per 5 hours means 108 tonnes after 20 hours.
If we have a stop-off point even half-way between Vegas and Hawthorne, we drop the flight times down to an hour either way - three hours to complete a round, 27 tons at 3 hours means 8 trips per 24 hours...216 tonnes of gear per day if the BOS could provide us with additional flight crew - so we could cycle out tired pilots to avoid exhaustion causing issues. If we kept that tempo up for a week, which I doubt we could without mechanical failure of airframes becoming an issue, that'd be in excess of 1500 tonnes extracted. 1512 tonnes to be exact.
To put that in perspective, assuming we gave each of our soldiers 80 pounds of the gear (which is probably about two combat loads not counting ammo, rations, their personal field supplies like mess kit, etc) even 1% of the haul would give us enough for two full infantry companies. Seeing as we're not loading them down with eighty pounds of gear (discounting prior mentioned components) I think we can all agree that if we can make it a week, we're sorted for most military gear for the foreseeable future. If we can make it to a fortnight by some miracle, we might've extracted enough material we can actually start looking at salvaging whatever equipment they have for refurbishing / repairing anything they salvage that is damaged.
One thing I would note, they mentioned a number of bunkers being left alone / sealed thanks to chemical, biological or radiological weapons. If we want to prevent the NCR re-taking the place or getting to Hawthorne quickly so we can get as much as possible, deploying those in a controlled manner along the likely routes of reinforcement or in a scorched earth strategy may be advisable.
>Only Moreno Dang, though I suppose that's just our luck. Oh well, load ED-E and Lily at the very least - the former is a expert at stealthy combat and infiltration while the other is a Enclave machine - might end up having some useful access capabilities in some of the bunkers, plus he's got at least some radio-interception capability what with being an Eyebot...
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>>6257366 >I said I’m stealing shit and I meant it. We’re going in with Legion troops and Brotherhood vertibirds to smash and grab as much as we can. Yet we be smart about it and bring the best crew we can. If we can bring companions Lily, Raul, Veronica, Arcade, ED-E, Rex I think bring a crew with a mix of skills to support the raid. Raul can be there to patch up, Veronica can hit hard were needed, Lily can help scout with us, Arcade can support hacking, Ed-e and rex are for adding damage.
We will aim for prime loot and likely burn or trap the remains if there is no time to take it.
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>>6257366 >I'm going in a different direction... >Postpone the assault and attempt to corrupt members of the compound into letting us sideline some of the goods. At the end smash and grab the high-security bunker and leave before they can organize a response If anons are willing to be patient, we can have our cake and eat it too. Yes, we are on the clock, but it is a thoroughly generous timeframe of at least a year (provided they don't get the codes somewhere).
They don't know we're interested and aren't expecting anybody to know about their operation. We have the total initiative here, and can spend some of that time making sure how we go about this doesn't come back to bite us later.
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>>6257366 >I said I’m stealing shit and I meant it. We’re going in with Legion troops and Brotherhood vertibirds to smash and grab as much as we can most of our companions are occupied or have official work taking them away, they will be simply not be available. suddenly taking them away from their duties and sharing them on a plan, we did not inform them is a recipe for disaster.
I dislike heavily this operation but whatever at this point, this is just getting tiring so get your bone. Really hope Legion and BoS show their other face here.
Anonymous
>>6257319 >It is a huge problem if that happens. eh why are you surprised by this. We did nothing with Heck, we will do nothing with the Salvatores probably too.
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>>6257643 >Really hope Legion and BoS show their other face here. They aren't going to act against us right now, they're going to keep this as insurance against us if relations should sour.
They are 100% going to take note how casually we turned on one of our nominal allies, though.
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>>6257643 >I dislike heavily this operation but whatever at this point, this is just getting tiring so get your bone Sometimes anons are going to decide to shoot themselves in the foot, and the best you can do is encourage them to do it with beanbags.
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TheSurvivalist !!uuJbd4m8dPS ID:FuonzQfO Fri 13 Jun 2025 11:50:34 No. 6257674 Report Quoted By:
>>6257651 To be fair, two actions have been committed to the Salvatores. But a combination of bad rolls and contradicting orders have soured it
