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Not gonna get into a retarded quoting fight with subby, but I threw together a quick-lineup of Mcfarts and a Mezco Batman to demonstrate how poorly the ""butterfly"" shoulders function on them compared to other examples.
Exhibit A: all toys in the top-lineup have thier shoulders pushed as far forward as the sculpt and joints possibly allow. You cannot even tell, it just looks dead-neutral.
Compare that to the lineup on the bottom which have dedicated butterfly joints and are pushed as far forward as possible.
