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>People actually wanting HMs required again
This is the highest level of retardation I have seen.
The main problem with HMs is that they are required and the majority of them suck (defog) I hate having to waste slots on my teams movelist in order to travel around when a key item can mean I can create the team I want.
Even if they were all amazing the fact I NEED to use them makes them annoying as all hell as in regions like Hoenn you need to dedicate THREE slots to water travel, oh yeah lets waste three slots to using water type moves meaning I can't use some Pokemon's good move pools.
From having played all six gens so far, HMs are my most hated thing for ruining battles for the sake of navigation.
Really Key items and NPCs act as better gates than moves.
