>>31466960Pheromosa hate Ash-Greninja, dude. if it's rocks, even pre-transform kill it with little damage from rocks or life orb sets.
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Water Shuriken (15 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Pheromosa: 228-270 (80.5 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>ohko for sure if raining tooToxapex can't check Extrasens protean one. it can't even check specs pulse unless it's max S.def which most aren't.
The Tapu checks both Greninja, both they are very shady checks (beside Fini for Ash-Greninja, which is a true counter unless it's raining)
Scarf version of Lele is the only kind of checks for Ash-Greninja of Lele
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 270-318 (96 - 113.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Koko can't enter into any of it's attack beside Dark Pulse, and hell even then it's 2hko
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Koko: 140-165 (49.8 - 58.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
also Ash-Greninja is faster.
Bulky Bulu (sub leech, 248/252 hp and attack)
is 2hko unless shitty rolls, banded is 2hko for sure, but bulky is the better one after Fini. Assvest sets are in my honest opinion a stupid meme. Scarf is a problem only if it's jolly, but you lose all the fucking point of Bulu
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 159-187 (46.3 - 54.5%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, Leftovers recovery, and Grassy Terrain recovery
if it's raining literally only pink blobs can block it's shit up.
>b-but anon rain isn't viable-You are a retard if you think so. Ash-Greninja is even more cancer in the rain than Kingdra. it's gen5 Keldeo on cracks, but without infinite rain at least.