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Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 12:58:36 No.11998924 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11998955 >>11998998 >>12000149

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14747702

How do we improve this strategy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 13:05:34 No.11998955 Report

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>>11998924
Ditch Gothorita.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 13:12:50 No.11998994 Report

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Replace Poliwrath with Politoed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 13:13:19 No.11998998 Report

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>>11998924
>that assist only copying shadow force
that's fucking clever dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 13:22:14 No.11999055 Report

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Try choice banded tangrowth with nature power and regenerator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 13:46:37 No.11999165 Report

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having roar wouldn't hurt
and its infuriating

i would so hate you for this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 13:53:54 No.11999192 Report

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muh sneaky pebbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 14:41:04 No.11999526 Report

Quoted By: >>11999534

Infernape also gets Assist and is slightly faster and hits harder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 14:42:34 No.11999534 Report

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>>11999526
It has no prankster

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 15:30:19 No.11999984 Report

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http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14756340

SPOOKY BOOGIE earns another win (Ditto did more but nevermind!)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 15:31:11 No.12000019 Report

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get?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 15:45:31 No.12000149 Report

Quoted By: >>12000164

>>11998998
>>11998924
Can someone explain how Assist only uses Shadow Force?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 15:46:52 No.12000164 Report

Quoted By: >>12000263

>>12000149

He only has moves like Trick and Protect and Transform that can't be selected by assist, except on smeargle who has Shadow Force, which can be selected by Assist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 15:58:38 No.12000263 Report

Quoted By: >>12000302 >>12000308

>>12000164
>5 pokemon with useless sets
Damn nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:04:05 No.12000302 Report

Quoted By: >>12000360

>>12000263

Imposter Ditto is far from useless, the others are mainly to support Liepard with passive damage, such as passing burn orbs and the like to enemies shadow force won't work well against. Smeargles complete moveset hasn't been shown either.

It's complete trolling, but mach punch destroys the whole thing, unless gothitelle can stall it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:04:44 No.12000308 Report

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>>12000263
>imposter ditto
>useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:05:21 No.12000312 Report

Quoted By: >>12000341

What do you even have on that Poliwrath besides circle throw?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:09:33 No.12000341 Report

Quoted By: >>12000364 >>12000373 >>12000459 >>12001860 >>12001914

Here is the current team:

SPOOKY BOOGIE (Liepard) @ Lagging Tail
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 6 Def
Adamant Nature
- Assist
- Substitute
- Taunt
- Toxic

Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Trait: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
- Shadow Force
- Circle Throw
- Mirror Coat
- Counter

Ninetales @ Leftovers
Trait: Drought
EVs: 50 SDef / 252 HP / 206 Def
Calm Nature
-
- Protect
- Mimic
-

Gothitelle @ Sticky Barb
Trait: Shadow Tag
EVs: 4 SDef / 252 HP / 252 Def
Calm Nature
- Trick
- Thief
-
- Protect

Ditto @ Leftovers
Trait: Imposter
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 HP / 6 Def
Jolly Nature
- Transform

Gothorita @ Sticky Barb
Trait: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spd / 6 Def
Jolly Nature
- Trick
- Protect
- Thief
-
I use Ninetales instead of Politoed so that Dry Skin and Rain Dish pokemon lose HP.

>>12000312

He had Counter, Protect and Focus Punch, but I don't use him anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:11:26 No.12000360 Report

Quoted By: >>12000378

>>12000302
I think Assist gets Prankster priority, so..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:12:01 No.12000364 Report

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>>12000341

I hope you realise that you are a magnificent bastard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:13:21 No.12000373 Report

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>>12000341
I'd honestly say swap one of those sticky barbs for flame orbs.

Most of the priority moves are physical, a burn would help so, so much against them.

And get a dragon tail in there. Maybe from something like Dragonite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:13:42 No.12000378 Report

Quoted By: >>12000399 >>12000432

>>12000360

Prankster priority gives +1 priority, mach punch has +1 priority but Liepard holds lagging tail to go last on the turn shadow force actually hits, so mach punch will always strike before prankster assist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:17:16 No.12000399 Report

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>>12000378
The question is that how can we get past priority moves without doing too much damage to the team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:21:11 No.12000424 Report

Quoted By: >>12000432 >>12000434 >>12000437

So what's the concept? abuse prankster assist to use shadow force first, but attack last so you're always in shadow force? your strategy is ruined by anything slower than you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:22:18 No.12000432 Report

Quoted By: >>12000440 >>12000452

>>12000424
>>12000378
sorry forgot about the lagging tail, but that means priority fucks you over

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:22:23 No.12000434 Report

Quoted By: >>12000440

>>12000424
No, you faggot
He has lagging tail so he always attacks last

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:22:45 No.12000437 Report

Quoted By: >>12000440

>>12000424
Not much is slower than always moving last.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:23:05 No.12000440 Report

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>>12000434
>>12000437
see
>>12000432

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:23:54 No.12000452 Report

Quoted By: >>12000567

>>12000432
That's what we're brainstorming now
But he has some sort of checks for that, in that Gothorita and Gothitelle can trap and stall to death one or two priority users until they die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:25:07 No.12000459 Report

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>>12000341
Why does ditto have a leftovers instead of a choice scarf for revenge killing?
Do you use it against bulkier pokemon or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:34:27 No.12000540 Report

Quoted By: >>12000598

Here are some things that trouble this team:

Skarmory - takes little from Shadow Force, and if I want to prevent him from Spiking I have to Taunt, but I risk a 2hko from Brave Bird. Whirlwind will also go after Shadow Force, forcing me to take Spikes damage. Gothitelle can stick a Barb on him, but he can just Roost it off.

Breloom - the worst, especially the Focus Punch variant, because he regains HP (Focus Punch will always go after Shadow Force)

Anything with Roar/Dragon Tail/Whirlwind, especially if Spikes are up.

Has anyone tried something that might help with these?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:37:29 No.12000567 Report

Quoted By: >>12000580

>>12000452

Well the simplest counter I can think of is a ghost type for the mach punch and occasional extremespeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:39:19 No.12000580 Report

Quoted By: >>12000600 >>12000628

>>12000567
There's shit like aqua jet and gengar won't be living through a scizor's bullet punch either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:41:40 No.12000598 Report

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>>12000540

I can't try anything right now, but Xatu takes 1/4th from focus punch, bounces spikes and rocks, as well as Spore, can learn Trick, and more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:41:54 No.12000600 Report

Quoted By: >>12000621

>>12000580
Jellicent. ghost that's immune to aqua jet and resist bullet punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:45:12 No.12000621 Report

Quoted By: >>12000747

>>12000600
But what can it do in return that won't mess up the assist?
I was thinking Gengar primarily for trick/Destiny Bond shenanigans.
I don't think Jellicent can do anything but trick/protect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:45:37 No.12000628 Report

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>>12000580

Jellicent can absorb Aqua Jet and resists Bullet Punch and Ice Shard, is immune to Mach Punch, Vaccuum Wave, Fake Out, and ExtremeSpeed, and then all you have is Shadow Sneak, of which there are little to no decent users of. Jellicent can learn Trick too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:47:59 No.12000649 Report

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>>11999999
>>12000000
>>12000001

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:56:12 No.12000727 Report

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i just saw someone using your moveset. when i asked him if it was spooky boogie he left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:57:00 No.12000734 Report

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This is how it would ideally work:

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14764239

Though I realize that this was a low-rating guy, it should work the same against all other teams, that don't have priority (wouldn't count on it in OU), spikes+roar/whiwlrind/dragon tail or too many recovery moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 16:57:55 No.12000747 Report

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>>12000621

You can try Cofagrigus. He's bulky enough to take most priority moves, and his ability would remove Technician and Huge Power from Scizor and Azumarill temporarily, allowing him to take more hits from them much easier. He can Trick and Destiny Bond.

Alternatively, Dusclops can do the same thing, without leftovers recovery if running Evolite, but with the added advantage of Counter and maybe Metronome if you're feeling ballsy.

Chandelure can trick without Destiny Bond, but he has Flame Body for a chance to burn opponents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 17:02:18 No.12000795 Report

Quoted By: >>12000800

since when does Liepard even learn shadowforce?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 17:02:41 No.12000800 Report

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>>12000795
smeargle + assist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 17:06:01 No.12000836 Report

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Oh, and thanks to all the people posting ideas here. I'll be trying them when I play again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 17:11:12 No.12000883 Report

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oh god, dat focus sash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 17:29:07 No.12001061 Report

Quoted By: >>12001642 >>12001798 >>12001836

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14767202

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:27:20 No.12001600 Report

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http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-14772443

>Dat motherfucking ditto

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:30:10 No.12001626 Report

Quoted By: >>12001657

Shadow Force gets walled completely by Normal types. Throw in Dive/Bounce/Fly/Dig if you want, and use a Purrloin if you want a second assistant.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:31:25 No.12001642 Report

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>>12001061

Masterful performance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:32:26 No.12001657 Report

Quoted By: >>12001887

>>12001626
Dig and surf are terrible choices
They get hit double for Earthquake and Surf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:46:42 No.12001798 Report

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>>12001061
>dat liepard
Dayum con

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:53:44 No.12001836 Report

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>>12001061
I battled you a little while ago. I was angry, confused, and in awe for like 30 minutes afterwards.

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Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:57:15 No.12001859 Report

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http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14775103

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:57:37 No.12001860 Report

Quoted By: >>12001869 >>12001875

>>12000341
Does assist not select circle throw?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:58:35 No.12001869 Report

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>>12001860

Yes, it doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 18:59:31 No.12001875 Report

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>>12001860
probably to prevent exactly these kind of shenanigans

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 19:00:32 No.12001887 Report

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>>12001657
bounce and fly also have moves they're weak against sadly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 19:04:09 No.12001914 Report

Quoted By: >>12002071

>>12000341
Ninetales can't have mimic when it has drought...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 19:16:59 No.12002043 Report

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http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14776729 - guy forfeited before I could slam him unfortunately

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 19:19:11 No.12002071 Report

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>>12001914

It's not like he needs that anyway. He's just for preventing the hail/sand damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 19:30:48 No.12002198 Report

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Have you tried featherdance murkrow for priority users?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 Apr 2013 19:31:52 No.12002207 Report

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more stealth rock

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