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Why are antismogonfags so delusional?

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:19:51 No.30828979 View View Reply Original Report

Pic related. (Smogon OU on the left, VGC on the right, both taken from the same month).

Do they really believe that Smogon is in any way more overcentralized than VGC? Or are they just trolling?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:22:58 No.30829044 Report

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Gotta love that Manaphy, shame that Xurkitre can't be Manaphy lite due to the speed tier, at least I makes up for one hell of a scarfer win con, or a fun z hypnosis meme set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:24:47 No.30829076 Report

Quoted By: >>30829120 >>30829128

>>30828979
Was Kanga really quickbanned even after the nerf?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:27:11 No.30829120 Report

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>>30829076
this is from December 2015.

I couldn't do the most recent stats, since peolle are all just trying new things, and I knew that if I tried to do 16, people would say "XDD this is just bc groudon is allowed this year!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:27:46 No.30829128 Report

Quoted By: >>30829267 >>30829375 >>30829773 >>30831273

>>30829076
Seismic toss mega Khangaskan Ohkos anything under base 88 hp and 252 hp investment with lefties that isn't a ghost type.

Im not kidding, the nerf barely scrapped this thing in singles.

In doubles it actually hindered as there is more to factor, but Khangaskan momentum is single is hard to rival.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:28:12 No.30829136 Report

Quoted By: >>30829192

Most of the people that hate Smogon think Smogon is a group of people that tell everyone else what to use. Most don't realize
>Smogon only cares about simulator play
>tiers let your bros be viable even if it's a shitmon
>you can still use lower tiered mons in higher tiers

I think a lot of blind Smogon hate stems from 2 things
>casualfags who hear that their favorite isn't OU and take it as a personal slight
>nintenyearolds whose only other experience with tiering is Smash autism, so they assume Smogon's mentality is the same as Fox Only, Final Destination

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:31:24 No.30829192 Report

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>>30829136
Add to the list people whose friends only play by smogon rules and then think smogon is some conspiracy that wants to force you to play the "correct" way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:35:05 No.30829267 Report

Quoted By: >>30829352 >>30829381 >>30829624

>>30829128
I've always been under the impression Seismic Toss was just a meme, holy crap. Someone should tell Gamefreak?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:39:07 No.30829352 Report

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>>30829267
Same, I've always just dismissed it. When you're playing through the story it stops being useful fairly quickly, so it's pretty easy to forget about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:40:25 No.30829375 Report

Quoted By: >>30829435 >>30829668 >>30829773 >>30831273

>>30829128
What? Even Dugtrio has more than 200 HP at level 100 and it has fucking 35 base HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:40:36 No.30829381 Report

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>>30829267
200 guaranteed damage is nothing to scoff at boyo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:43:01 No.30829435 Report

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>>30829375
I think they meant 2HKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:43:40 No.30829452 Report

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>>30829435
that makes sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:51:28 No.30829624 Report

Quoted By: >>30829656 >>30829664

>>30829267
It is, particularly now.
The difference between 100 and 125 HP isn't that big and rarely plays a deciding factor.
This is a pokémon with 125 base Attack, so unless you're up against a physically defensive pokémon that resists Normal it's a meme, and even then it's like a 4HKO on Skarmory which shows that the move is less then stellar then too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:52:55 No.30829656 Report

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>>30829624
That's not how it works. Seismic toss will always do 200 damage with Parental Bond.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:53:21 No.30829664 Report

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>>30829624
2HKO, sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:53:34 No.30829668 Report

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>>30829375
2hko, my bad here.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 20:59:21 No.30829773 Report

Quoted By: >>30829811 >>30829978 >>30831273

>>30829128
>>30829375
Going with the Dugtrio example; I'm going to assume it has full hp investment and 0 Iv's in hp, just to see if he's correct.

{[(2*35+0+[252/4])*100]/100}+100+10 = 243

So, those numbers aren't correct, but as I typed this first anon corrected himself (kinda, its a 3hko).

I went to too much effort to not post, humor me. I'm dead inside.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:01:21 No.30829811 Report

Quoted By: >>30829894

>>30829773
What the fuck are you doing? Seismic toss deals fixed damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:04:49 No.30829894 Report

Quoted By: >>30830078

>>30829811
Yeah dumbshit, the point was that you can't just OHKO "anything under base 88 hp and 252 hp investment with lefties that isn't a ghost type". Work on your reading comprehension. That was HP calculation, not damage calculation. 243 > 200

Given, I say this after shitting the bed by saying its a 3hko when I just did the fucking math

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:08:28 No.30829978 Report

Quoted By: >>30830078

>>30829773
Are you on mushrooms?

252 hp EVs dugtrio has 274 hp at lv 100.

Seismic toss from Khangaskan deals 100 damage 2 times, that means 200 fixed damage, dugtrio has 74 hp after the first blow. It's a clean 2hko.

The only pseudo counter to it are mons that can produce base 101 substitutes as the sub handles both seismic tosses, to be 3hko by mega mom seismic toss you need to be either a ghost type or have base 92 hp, 252 hp EVs and hold lefties to have around 382 hp and get back enough hp back after the first blow to dodge the 400 fixed damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:12:36 No.30830078 Report

Quoted By: >>30830109

>>30829978
Yeah I fucked up with the 3hko thing, corrected myself here: >>30829894

Are you sure that it's 274 hp? With 0 iv's and 252 ev's it's definitely 243.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:14:19 No.30830109 Report

Quoted By: >>30830172

>>30830078
I used the stat calculator in showdown.

31 ivs + 252 EVs in hp dugtrio gives you 274 at lv 100

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Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:17:07 No.30830172 Report

Quoted By: >>30830326

>>30830109
Anon, I specified that I was calculating HP with 0 IVs in hp...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:25:33 No.30830326 Report

Quoted By: >>30830661

>>30830172
>Anon, I specified that I was calculating HP with 0 IVs in hp...
Why would you do that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:44:09 No.30830661 Report

Quoted By: >>30830737

>>30830326
Well one, the original anon didn't specify IV's, which kind of implies that they don't have much of an impact. Two, using the lowest possible hp that a level 100 dugtrio could have dispels any uncertainty IF it's hp ends up being higher than 200. I was giving anon the benefit of the doubt. I'm sorry you're too autistic to consider that MAYBE he could've seen it happen somewhere, or that every pokemon has to be perfect all the time and anything that isn't should be ignored for this type of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:48:12 No.30830737 Report

Quoted By: >>30830849

>>30830661
I breed my Pokémon to nothing short of perfection, and Im autistic enough to hyper train even the 30 is values of hidden power ivs, not only speed I mean the others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 21:53:37 No.30830849 Report

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>>30830737
If I had the time and consistency, then I'd do the same. However, there are a few legitimate reasons to not have a perfect hp stat, hidden power type really being the only one in a super competitive environment.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2016 22:14:35 No.30831273 Report

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>>30829128
>>30829375
>>30829773
This silly little pissing match actually got me curious. If the picture gets rotated I'm killing myself.

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