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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 05:41:41 No.38090582 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>38090588 >>38090656 >>38090726 >>38090773 >>38090793 >>38090810 >>38090849 >>38090977

Has the Kanto adventure of RBY/FRLG become unironically underrated due to everyone shitting on genwunners 24/7?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 05:42:22 No.38090588 Report

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>>38090582
It’s still overrated and gets its cock sucked 24/7. /vp/ doesn’t count

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 05:45:24 No.38090607 Report

Quoted By: >>38090788 >>38090907 >>38090977

No one ever discusses the actual adventure and the game region anymore. Not in the same way people dissect Sinnoh, Unova, etc

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 05:53:55 No.38090656 Report

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>>38090582
Kanto is still unironically my favorite region to date.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:03:20 No.38090726 Report

Quoted By: >>38090764 >>38090791

>>38090582
It's still solid, although the main reason I get upset with the constant rehashes is that it has a lot more room for improvement that just gets quashed because that might mean making it not an exact copy of what it was before. I mean, how many Kanto remakes are going to have the cycling road still be a strip of land rather than a bridge so the SS Anne actually has somewhere to go? Why haven't they tried to make the region more interconnected by adding more caves, forests, tunnels, or routes that could add new places to explore?

There's a lot they could do using Kanto as a baseline, since it's so ubiquitous, but instead of trying to iterate and improve they stall and stagnate.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:11:38 No.38090764 Report

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>>38090726
/thread

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:13:26 No.38090773 Report

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>>38090582
yes. although its the worst of the games that ive played (gen 1-5) its reputation is definitely worse than the actual experience.

The rocket subplot is super tedious, blaine has no right being the 7th gym leader, the caves are atrocious, and the post game is non-existent.

The rest aint bad though.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:14:18 No.38090781 Report

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It's definitely enjoyable but it's a safe game with having decent postgame. I always recommend it for people who want to start pokemon for the first time. Also Kanto is not exactly a good region compared to the others

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:15:31 No.38090788 Report

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>>38090607
this is not a puzzle, this is trial and error. there is no logic to how the warp pads work, and therefore any attempt to defeat the rocket dungeons is just random wandering while your pp runs low and your team slowly becomes statused. Not that this game doesnt have fun to it, but without using a walkthrough (which makes this segment take 5 minutes or less) this is bad enough to kill the enjoyment of any gen 1 playthrough.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:16:04 No.38090791 Report

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>>38090726
True, although that's more of a GF problem than a Kanto problem

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:16:11 No.38090793 Report

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>>38090582
The thing the disappointed me about LGPE is that they didn't turn Saffron + Celadon into a fuckhuge metropolitan area that is larger than Lumiose and Castelia
Considering that the Tokyo Olympics is right around the corner wouldn't they want to promote the largest city in the world?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:18:12 No.38090808 Report

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Have someone ever made a RBY remake in RBE roms?

I think it would suit it better aesteticaly than LGFR.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:18:20 No.38090810 Report

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>>38090582
honestly, gen 1 would be so much more interesting if they expanded on the region, made it more fleshed out, something resembling a real civilization and not just 5 houses per town. Sticking to a tile to tile translation for each remake is a stupid mistake, give us kanto, but give us new ways to explore it.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:18:22 No.38090811 Report

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>>38090773
What dont you like about the caves?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:20:19 No.38090824 Report

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>>38090791
Yeah. Still, I'm hopeful that one day they'll actually try and expand upon it in a more meaningful way. The improvements in technology means they can make a Kanto that's actually vast and detailed, rather than sticking to the restrictions of Gameboy hardware.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:20:41 No.38090828 Report

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>>38090788
This was one of my favorite dungeons. I had it memorized and besides being able to reach the boss by the shortest way, i always went to every single corner, because XP and money didn't fell of trees.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:20:57 No.38090833 Report

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>>38090788
Eh, still the sheer fact that they put a whopping 11-storied dungeon is kind of impressive.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:23:28 No.38090849 Report

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>>38090582
Kanto in FRLG is legitimately one of the best regions, thanks to fixing most of the issues during Gens 1 and 2 (only thing missing at that point is the P/S Split) the region's only weakness is its story which isn't really the region's fault anyhow. I think more encounters with Team Rocket in FRLG to show just how deeply rooted into Kanto they are would've been good, the fact though that you can do the 3rd-7th Gyms in a semi non-linear order though is something you really have to respect Kanto for doing, Johto kept that going as well but it's a shame that after Hoenn that design mentality really died down. I think Pokemon suffers from a lack of bosses, you don't fight your rival nearly as much in the more recent games and the villains have gotten backloaded to the second halves of their games leaving the first half barren and the second half feeling rushed. Kalos really had no excuse for not allowing a semi non-linear design and Alola only made things worse. I am disappointed that Unova didn't go with a semi non-linear approach for B2W2, being able to do maybe 1-2, 3-6 and 7-8 in any order would've helped. Of course the argument against non-linearity in Pokemon is that Kanto's story sucked so obviously that means that the gyms have to be linear so the story works but that's really not the case, if Game Freak were smarter they'd realize that you can have multiple storylines running parallel to one another with shorter ones acting as your roadblocks. If you recall back to DPPt there was stuff like the Fan Boys blocking the path to Pastoria from Hearthome, the Psyduck blocking the path up to Celestic, etc. Instead of having those tied to the main story if they were their own small side stories that developed on the characters focused around that event would help better the overall flow and allow for a semi non-linear approach.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:25:57 No.38090863 Report

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>>38090788
>this is not a puzzle, this is trial and error

I hate to break it to you, but that's something called "exploration"

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:31:43 No.38090888 Report

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I think Kanto is actually really fucking intricate for a 1st try. It could have easily been much more barren and simple.

I mean, there are islands, forests, shores, caves, mountains, underground paths and in-land water routes. Not to mention world-enriching stuff like a power plant, a department store, casino, museum, a ship, safari zone, and areas like the Pokémon Mansion and the tower in lavender.

On a 1996 Game Boy game? Damn. This makes the newer games on much better hardware with a much higher budget look even more sad.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:35:32 No.38090907 Report

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>>38090607
I enjoyed this a lot more than the shitshow that was Aether Paradise in Sun/Moon

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:39:12 No.38090924 Report

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>>38090788
You can run throughout the place though. I'm getting real tired of you zoomers demanded everything to be handed to you at your convenience

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:41:29 No.38090938 Report

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>>38090828
>XP and money didn't fall from trees
Only in rby

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:41:38 No.38090939 Report

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>>38090863
Not the other guy but I think it would've been good if they added in optional hints to the player, maybe some papers left around the Silph Co. that hinted to which panel lead where, otherwise have the puzzle introduced earlier with teleporters so the player is more used to them.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:43:12 No.38090946 Report

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>>38090888
Don't forget: the Safari Zone AND a zoo that helps fill your "Seen" Pokedex count.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:43:26 No.38090950 Report

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>>38090808
whaat?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Mar 2019 06:49:00 No.38090977 Report

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>>38090582
It had a lot of genuine exploration and felt a lot less like a guided tour that modern games have problems with, LGPE included. There are optional routes, optional dungeons, you could do gyms out of order, enter towns in a different order, and actual puzzles existed, such as >>38090607, arrow traps, and strength puzzles. It genuinely felt like an adventure, and I was in control of it.

The region itself is legit. People who think it's objectively the best are idiots though.

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