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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 13:05:14 No.38461086 View View Reply Original Report

Is there a single Pokémon more JUSTed than Tauros?
How would you fix him in Gen 8?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 13:08:47 No.38461107 Report

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Megazord

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 13:50:11 No.38461349 Report

Quoted By: >>38461383 >>38467266

>>38461086
Give him Swords Dance and let him learn Body Slam without transferring it in from the VC games. Also, give it some more physical moves it can abuse Sheer Force with, like the elemental fangs and Gunk Shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 13:53:25 No.38461374 Report

Quoted By: >>38461587 >>38461756

>>38461086
Mega Tauros. Normal/Steel. Resembles a mechanical bull combined with some type of armor.

New ability for the mega called Self Control. If the user KOs an opponent with a recharge or fatigue move, they will snap out of it immediately and be controllable like normal on the next turn.

Now it has its gen 1 gimmick back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 13:55:01 No.38461383 Report

Quoted By: >>38461847 >>38461874

>>38461349
Tauros should get flare blitz and play rough, to be honest.

I'd rather have nidoking get gunk shot first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:00:17 No.38461418 Report

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>>38461086
Give him Extreme Speed, Flare Blitz, Head Smash, Superpower and Swords Dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:04:49 No.38461450 Report

Quoted By: >>38461472 >>38461481 >>38462335 >>38473332

>>38461086
He's a single form normal type.
He's never going to be any more than mid game filler and lore fluff. Accept it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:08:15 No.38461472 Report

Quoted By: >>38461580 >>38461820 >>38464265

>>38461450
So is Arceus

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:09:54 No.38461481 Report

Quoted By: >>38463562 >>38467111

>>38461450
Tauros used to be one of the best Pokemon in gen 1. It's probably the poster child for powercreep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:27:51 No.38461574 Report

Quoted By: >>38461600 >>38461825 >>38462149 >>38464245 >>38464259

>>38461086
Increase stats (especially Attack and Speed) and decrease Special Attack to be more in line with modern Pokemon (Tauros's main problem is it's mediocre stats, which were good at the time but are now shit)
Flare Blitz, Flame Charge and Wild Charge
Swords Dance
Possibly a new ability. Maybe Reckless?
(NOT give it a Mega, fuck Mega Evolution. It was a mistake and Game Freak knows, just look at the Gen 7 Pokedex entries)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:29:20 No.38461580 Report

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>>38461472
>Arceus
>single form

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:30:10 No.38461587 Report

Quoted By: >>38461745 >>38462048 >>38462058 >>38467292

>>38461374
Megas need to be removed from the game. They don't make shitty Pokemon less shit, they just give them an alternate form and are usually overdesigned and poorly balanced (Mega Lucario, Mega Salamence and Mega Kangaskhan being notable examples)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:33:19 No.38461600 Report

Quoted By: >>38461678

>>38461574
If Tauros got a new ability it should be either for its special moves to use the attack stat, or for all its attacks to be counted as physical. Then it could be its gen 1 self again spamming fire blast, blizzard and thunder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:35:52 No.38461608 Report

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Tauros@Sheer Force
-Bulk Up
-Body Slam
-Flare Blitz
-Earthquake

Or like some anon said, Reckless ability, then Double-Edge party

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 14:51:54 No.38461678 Report

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>>38461600
Tauros is a pure Normal-Type, non-elemental bull. It shouldn't be doing a lot of damage with special moves, even if it can learn them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:06:46 No.38461745 Report

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>>38461587
Way to contradict yourself right in the same post

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:08:13 No.38461756 Report

Quoted By: >>38462496

>>38461374
It doesn’t even need a mega all that much. Get out

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:14:55 No.38461799 Report

Quoted By: >>38461965

>>38461086
+20 HP
+20 ATK
+1 SPD
Access to every non-exclusive, physical move affected by Sheer Force , + ESpeed, Superpower, Sword Dance, Dragon Dance and Head Smash.
There, i think he'd be a decent NU mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:18:14 No.38461820 Report

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>>38461472
>Arceus
>Normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:18:52 No.38461825 Report

Quoted By: >>38461860

>>38461574
Mega Evolution is overpowered in single-player but a genuinely good mechanic in multiplayer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:24:03 No.38461847 Report

Quoted By: >>38461936

>>38461383
Gunk shot makes the most sense if you consider how many other normal types can learn it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:26:39 No.38461860 Report

Quoted By: >>38461872

>>38461825
It's shit, both in singleplayer and multiplayer. Mega Evolution was made as an attempt to buff shitmons and older Pokemon. You can only use one Mega per team, which means you can't have multiple "former shitmons" on one team
Also, many Mega Evolutions ended up being overpowered and even the ones that weren't still ruined the meta and increased powercreep imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:28:18 No.38461870 Report

Quoted By: >>38462476

>>38461086
Right now it competes with Mega Lopunny who is arguably one of the best Megas in the game with an incredibly compact moveset due to Scrappy allowing it to avoid worrying about ghosts. Mega Lopunny is pretty much the peak of offensive normal types(Barring Arceus), I cannot even begin to imagine how anyone can make a better normal type than it without just making it the same as Mega Lopunny but with Extremespeed/Swords Dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:29:41 No.38461872 Report

Quoted By: >>38461979 >>38463607

>>38461860
>You can only use one Mega per team,
That's precisely why it's a good mechanic, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:29:49 No.38461874 Report

Quoted By: >>38463045

>>38461086

give it a bit more HP so it can actually boost, and give it a bit more attack because 100 attack is super mediocre for a sweeper. At least 110 Attack.

definitely needs swords dance, then, if you keep Sheer Force, give it Body Slam, which is all it needs, a reliable stab because it already gets Iron Head, Zen Headbutt, Earthquake, and Rock Slide for coverage.

If you give it reckless it'll basically be a faster and frailer version of Bouffalant and that's boring.

Also to keep Tauros bizarrely unique, bump it's Special Attack to like 70 or 80 or something to use all those special moves it gets.

Also, isn't it weird that Tauros can't learn headbutt naturally, and needs a TM to do so? That's so dumb.

>>38461383

NIDOKING DOESN'T HAVE GUNK SHOT?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:39:34 No.38461936 Report

Quoted By: >>38461981

>>38461847
Normal types get it if they have something to throw or spit out, typically their own shit; that's why so many monkeys get it. What would Tauros have to throw?

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:43:08 No.38461965 Report

Quoted By: >>38462012

>>38461799

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:44:18 No.38461979 Report

Quoted By: >>38465739

>>38461872
I just don't like it in terms of gameplay and lore. Pokemon shouldn't be like Digimon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:44:24 No.38461981 Report

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>>38461936
cow turds

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:45:53 No.38461992 Report

Quoted By: >>38462003 >>38462014 >>38462335 >>38471300

You guys know not every pokemon is meant to be good right? some pokemon are just made to pad out the dex or have some relation lore wise to the pokemon world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:47:27 No.38462003 Report

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>>38461992
Tauros was literally one of the best Pokemon in gen 1. It is absolutely not an intentional shitmon like Komala or Dunsparce.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:48:38 No.38462012 Report

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>>38461965
YES!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:48:47 No.38462014 Report

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>>38461992
>You guys know not every pokemon is meant to be good right?
Most Pokemon are though. Pokemon such as Dunsparce, Volbeat, Illumise, Emolga, baby Pokemon, ect are meant to mostly be for dexfiller and lore purposes. Tauros is meant to actually be good (and was the best Pokemon in Gen 1 in fact)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:50:42 No.38462022 Report

Quoted By: >>38462057

Give him an evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:53:23 No.38462048 Report

Quoted By: >>38462088 >>38462115

>>38461587
>they don't make shitty Pokemon less shit

>what is Charizard
>what is Manectric
>what is Pidgeot
>what is Lopunny
>what is Medicham

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:54:44 No.38462057 Report

Quoted By: >>38462211

>>38462022
That's an even more retarded idea than giving Tauros a Mega Evolution (as much as I hate that shit gimmick)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 15:55:06 No.38462058 Report

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>>38461587
>overdesigned

Disregarded your opinion right there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:00:09 No.38462088 Report

Quoted By: >>38462140

>>38462048
He means that giving a Pokémon a mega doesn’t actually fix the base Pokémon itself and that it ensures that the Pokémon will never be touched again if it somehow falls out of relevancy

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:00:28 No.38462089 Report

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>>38461086
Honestly if it's special attack gets back to RBY lvl it might actually be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:04:41 No.38462115 Report

Quoted By: >>38462140

>>38462048
I worded my point pretty poorly. What I was trying to say was it doesn't improve the base forms of the Pokemon, rather it gives them a form they have to transform into to be viable

In my opinion, Pokemon shouldn't be buffed with Mega Evolutions/alternative forms. I think Game Freak should buff the base form of the Pokemon and only make alternate forms of the same Pokemon for different (not necessarily better) playstyles (regional forms being an example of such)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:09:33 No.38462140 Report

Quoted By: >>38462182 >>38464697

>>38462115
>>38462088
How is this different from cross-gen evos?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:11:20 No.38462149 Report

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>>38461574
>decrease Special Attack to be more in line with modern Pokemon
Tauros has 40 Sp. Atk. That's already more minmaxed than most comparable modern Pokémon (Drampa has 60 Attack for example)
Plus any lower and its special coverage becomes even less viable. Sheer Force Life Orb Fire Blast is good, even uninvested off a base stat that low.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:15:09 No.38462182 Report

Quoted By: >>38462217

>>38462140
Crossgen evos aren't as bad imo because the crossgen evos introduced in gen 2 and 4 are permanent evolutions (and aren't temporary forms), you can have multiple on the same team and are (usually) not as overdesigned

It also opens up more options for it's preevolutions via the use of Eviolite (Chansey being a very notable example)

Mega Evolution doesn't offer those things. All they are is a poorly designed and poorly balanced temporary form for Pokemon made previously irrelevant by powercreep. Instead of addressing powercreep, Mega Evolution just worsens powercreep

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:19:28 No.38462211 Report

Quoted By: >>38462220

>>38462057
How

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:20:27 No.38462217 Report

Quoted By: >>38462256

>>38462182
>you can have multiple on the same team
Why do you keep bringing this up? Megas being restricted to one per team means they can be very powerful. If every mega had been a cross-gen evo instead, most OU teams would run at least three of them.
This is why I like mechanic, even though I think some of the designs are ass; it allows a way to fit a super-strong Pokemon on your team without making others obsolete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:20:56 No.38462220 Report

Quoted By: >>38462239 >>38462289

>>38462211
Tauros shouldn't have an evolution. Maybe a pre-evolution, but Tauros is already a complete Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:23:18 No.38462239 Report

Quoted By: >>38462276

>>38462220
So was Chansey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:24:34 No.38462246 Report

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Buff its special attack to match its special defense.
Give it physical moves to abuse Sheer Force.
If all else fails, bring back the gen 1 Hyper Beam mechanics. If 180 BP Z-Moves can exist for every mon, so can Hyper Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:25:50 No.38462256 Report

Quoted By: >>38462307

>>38462217
Because you shouldn't have one "super-strong Pokemon" on your team. Each Pokemon on a team should be more or less equal, that's the whole point of having a team

I don't think the existing Mega Evolutions should be cross-gen evos, that would be a terrible idea. I think Mega Evolutions should be removed entirely from the game (or at least not usable by the player, both online and in the singleplayer)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:28:48 No.38462276 Report

Quoted By: >>38462307

>>38462239
Chansey had a relatively low BST, while Tauros has a BST in line with many fully-evolved Pokemon

Scyther is an exception to that rule, but even it's evolution shared the same BST as it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:30:24 No.38462289 Report

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>>38462220
So was Scyther

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:33:54 No.38462307 Report

Quoted By: >>38462356

>>38462276
>Chansey had a relatively low BST,
But it's min-maxed to the point that doesn't matter. Kyurem-B has one of the highest BSTs in the game and it's still not good enough for people to even complain about it the way they do half of OU.
Chansey would still be OU if Blissey didn't exist, and appearance-wise the change is actually more minor than many megas.

>>38462256
>Each Pokemon on a team should be more or less equal,
But it doesn't work that way. You're going to have different Pokemon for different roles. Most megas excel in one particular role, so you need other Pokemon to either cover their weaknesses or rough up the enemy team to prepare for a sweep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:37:36 No.38462328 Report

Quoted By: >>38462342

>Lickitung gets an evo
>Chansey gets an evo
>Kangaskhan gets a mega
>Pinsir gets a mega
>Scyther gets an evo
>Rhyhorn gets another evo
>Tauros gets fucked
JUST

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:38:16 No.38462335 Report

Quoted By: >>38462367 >>38462384

>>38461450
>>38461992
Can people that enter topics without knowing what they’re talking about get banned please

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:39:32 No.38462342 Report

Quoted By: >>38462357 >>38462405

>>38462328
>Magmar gets an evo
>Electabuzz gets an evo
>Jynx doesn’t

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:41:59 No.38462356 Report

Quoted By: >>38462396 >>38462409

>>38462307
>Kyurem-B has one of the highest BSTs in the game and it's still not good enough for people to even complain about it the way they do half of OU
Kyurem-B is shit because it doesn't have a good physical Ice-Type STAB, forcing it to go mixed and making it's stats and ev's worse in the process
>Chansey would still be OU if Blissey didn't exist, and appearance-wise the change is actually more minor than many megas
Probably not. I'm not saying Chansey would be a terrible Pokemon without Blissey, but they reason why Chansey is in OU is because of Eviolite
>But it doesn't work that way. You're going to have different Pokemon for different roles. Most megas excel in one particular role, so you need other Pokemon to either cover their weaknesses or rough up the enemy team to prepare for a sweep
Obviously different Pokemon are used for different roles, but one Pokemon shouldn't be way more powerful than the rest of the team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:42:18 No.38462357 Report

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>>38462342
At least that had the excuse that Jynx was briefly controversial.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:43:51 No.38462367 Report

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>>38462335
Not gonna happen. Too many retards on this board, it would be pretty empty without them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:45:39 No.38462384 Report

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>>38462335
Mods barely do shit as it is. You think they’re going to clean this up?

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:47:33 No.38462396 Report

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>>38462356
>Obviously different Pokemon are used for different roles, but one Pokemon shouldn't be way more powerful than the rest of the team
That doesn’t happen nearly as much as you think

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:49:38 No.38462405 Report

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>>38462342
I still stand by the fact that Froslass started as a Jynx evo, and then an exec told them to change it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:49:41 No.38462409 Report

Quoted By: >>38462444

>>38462356
>Kyurem-B is shit because it doesn't have a good physical Ice-Type STAB, forcing it to go mixed and making it's stats and ev's worse in the process
What I'm saying is BST doesn't mean shit.

>Probably not. I'm not saying Chansey would be a terrible Pokemon without Blissey, but they reason why Chansey is in OU is because of Eviolite
No, Eviolite is the reason Chansey is picked over Blissey. Itemless Chansey is still a monstrously bulky special wall that can eat a STAB Focus Blast. The increasing irrelevance of mixed attackers also directly benefits her by leaving most special attackers with no option but to switch.

>Obviously different Pokemon are used for different roles, but one Pokemon shouldn't be way more powerful than the rest of the team
That's not really an issue with non-uber megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:54:24 No.38462444 Report

Quoted By: >>38462466 >>38462483

>>38462409
>That's not really an issue with non-uber megas
It's even more of an issue with "non-uber megas" because at least with Ubers, the Mega Evolution is going to be mostly on-par with the rest of the Pokemon in the tier. Non-uber Mega Evolutions are way more powerful than the rest of the Pokemon in the tier and it shouldn't be that way

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:57:26 No.38462466 Report

Quoted By: >>38462518

>>38462444
Most of them are not more powerful than the rest of the tier at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 16:58:43 No.38462476 Report

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>>38461870
Mega Kangaskan

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:00:00 No.38462483 Report

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>>38462444
I was using OU as the baseline for power level; Ubers megas are obviously busted there, but OU megas are not.

>Non-uber Mega Evolutions are way more powerful than the rest of the Pokemon in the tier
Not really. The bulky ones have all the same weaknesses as any other bulky mon and the sweepers tend to be frail. Mega Diancie can sweep an entire team from turn 1, but she also gets 1-shot revenge killed by scarfed Lando, who I'm pretty sure can even switch in on Diamond Storm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:01:31 No.38462496 Report

Quoted By: >>38462561

>>38461756
It's an absolute shitmon. It needs a mega more than anything right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:05:29 No.38462518 Report

Quoted By: >>38462540

>>38462466
The point is, Mega Evolution was a mistake. Mega Evolution was designed as a way to bring older Pokemon into competitive relevancy, but instead most Mega Evolutions ended up being either too overpowered (Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Lucario being a few examples) or underpowered (Mega Banette and Mega Blastoise being examples)

If you go back to pre Gen 6 metas, you'll see mostly base forms and a more consistent BST among tiers (not so many sub 600+ BST Pokemon competing with 400+ BST mons). Back in the Gen 5 days, there were much less legendary and mythical Pokemon in OU (there were still some, but there were only one or two legendaries on a team on average). Nowadays, it's common to see half or more of a team consisting of legendaries and mythicals with one Mega Evolution (basically equalling another legendary), with the only non-legendary, non-mega Pokemon being minmaxed as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:09:02 No.38462540 Report

Quoted By: >>38462574

>>38462518
Why do legendaries and BST matter?
We get more pseudos and sub-legendaries every gen so the average BST of OU was only going to go up over time no matter what.
You're complaining about something that is not and was never a problem.

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:09:19 No.38462541 Report

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STFU. One gen is already enough for a pokemon. Some haven't ever been relevant during their whole career

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:12:09 No.38462561 Report

Quoted By: >>38466612

>>38462496
No, it doesn’t

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:13:16 No.38462574 Report

Quoted By: >>38462608 >>38462610

>>38462540
>We get more pseudos and sub-legendaries every gen so the average BST of OU was only going to go up over time no matter what.
You're complaining about something that is not and was never a problem

So powercreep isn't a problem that should be fixed? Powercreep makes for a non-diverse and unhealthy metagame and makes competitive battling unenjoyable overall

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:19:49 No.38462608 Report

Quoted By: >>38462670

>>38462574
>So powercreep isn't a problem that should be fixed?
Some degree of powercreep is unavoidable. You can't expect pokemon that are OU in one gen to stay OU forever. As more mons get added, OU will naturally have more competition for each slot on a team.
Megas actually don't contribute to nearly as much as you seem to think, as you can only fill one team slot with them.

>Powercreep makes for a non-diverse and unhealthy metagame and makes competitive battling unenjoyable overall
I'm beginning to wonder if you know what power creep actually means. Even the shitshow that is gen 7 OU is far more diverse than gen 1 or 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:20:10 No.38462610 Report

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>>38462574
>So powercreep isn't a problem that should be fixed? Powercreep makes for a non-diverse and unhealthy metagame and makes competitive battling unenjoyable overall
Powercreep is going to happen regardless. This is something you can’t avoid

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:29:30 No.38462670 Report

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>>38462608
>Some degree of powercreep is unavoidable
True, but Game Freak can do a much better job balancing powercreep than they currently are. I don't mind legendary Pokemon being in OU (or even lower tiers for that matter), just as long as you're not required to have half or more of your team to consist of legendaries to not get your ass kicked online. That's what powercreep is
>Megas actually don't contribute to nearly as much as you seem to think, as you can only fill one team slot with them
They contribute quite a bit towards powercreep because it requires you to have a mega on your team, along with the three or more legendaries and/or ultra beasts you already have on your team
>I'm beginning to wonder if you know what power creep actually means. Even the shitshow that is gen 7 OU is far more diverse than gen 1 or 2
Not nearly as diverse as it could be. With Gen 1 and 2, the reason why it wasn't diverse is because there were less Pokemon to choose from. Now with Gen 7, there are a lot more Pokemon now, which should logically make for a far more diverse metagame, but just doesn't mainly due to powercreep

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:33:15 No.38462701 Report

Quoted By: >>38462993

>>38461086
>How would you fix him in Gen 8?
All he needs is more moves.
>Megahorn
>Body Slam outside of VC transfer
>Play Rough
>Throat Chop
With the exception of Megahorn, all these moves benefit from Sheer Force. Megahorn is mostly because it's a move Tauros should have already gotten access to.

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 17:48:52 No.38462809 Report

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>A strong Ground-type physical move with a secondary effect so it benefits from Sheer Force.

Pretty sure this is the fever dream of several Pokemon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:15:31 No.38462993 Report

Quoted By: >>38463005 >>38463060 >>38463172

>>38462701
None of these moves fit for Tauros except Body Slam. Bulls don't really "play", nor can they chop with anything. Megahorn would be awkward for Tauros to use because it has two horns on the side of it's head instead of one on the front

I would probably give it Crunch instead of Throat Chop. It's more fitting for Tauros (bulls aren't known for biting, but it would probably hurt if you got bit by a Tauros) and it still gives Tauros a Sheer Force boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:18:16 No.38463005 Report

Quoted By: >>38463016

>>38462993
Bulls are actually very playful. If you've never actually seen a bull IRL then please don't act like you have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:18:48 No.38463009 Report

Quoted By: >>38463121

>>38461086
If Anger Point now worked like Stamina and gave +1 Attack when hit by anything, how much would that help?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:19:51 No.38463016 Report

Quoted By: >>38463022

>>38463005
It's still unfitting for Tauros imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:20:39 No.38463022 Report

Quoted By: >>38463029

>>38463016
And your opinion is fucking WRONG

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:22:14 No.38463029 Report

Quoted By: >>38463032 >>38463064

>>38463022
Bulls are known for being angry, not "playful". Why do you think one of Tauros's abilities is Anger Point

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:23:13 No.38463032 Report

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>>38463029
And?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:26:20 No.38463045 Report

Quoted By: >>38463121 >>38464306

>>38461874
>NIDOKING DOESN'T HAVE GUNK SHOT?
Why do you think people use special LO sheer force on a mon whose attack is 17 points higher than its special attack? boosted sludge wave and earth power are just that much stronger than non-boosted earthquake and poison jab (nido's strongest poison STAB to date), not to mention its insane special coverage compared to the physical.

I'm not opposed to tauros getting gunk shot (I do think it doesn't gain anything from it that it wouldn't from flare blitz and iron head tho), but I strongly feel the nidos deserve the gunk shot justice before any other mon.

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:27:57 No.38463060 Report

Quoted By:

>>38462993
>Bulls don't really "play"
Neither do sloths, bugs, skunks, seahorses, fruit, or koalas. Slakoth, Volbeat, Illumise, Stunky, Skrelp, Bounsweet, and Komala can still learn Play Rough.
>nor can they chop with anything.
Snakes, bees, birds, horses, boxers, fish, spiders, coral, dogs, deer, penguins, flytraps, rocks, lampreys, and anteaters don't "chop" anything, either. Arbok, Beedrill, Fearow, Rapidash, Hitmonchan, Seaking, Qwilfish, Ariados, Galvantula, Corsola, Houndoom, Stantler, Carnivine, Gigalith, Eelektross, and Heatmor still learn Throat Chop. Some of those don't even have limbs.
>I would probably give it Crunch instead of Throat Chop
>Complains about moves being unfitting
>Wants to give it Crunch, which is unfitting
You're being ridiculous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:28:34 No.38463064 Report

Quoted By:

>>38463029
Bulldogs are known for looking angry, not "playful" why do you think Granbull doesn't learn Play Rough oh wait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:36:46 No.38463121 Report

Quoted By: >>38467308

>>38463009
Its bulk isn’t that good so not much unless it has recovery

>>38463045
It’s not that its special coverage is better than its physical, more like the moves are stronger (ie. elemental special moves as opposed to the elemental punches)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:43:21 No.38463172 Report

Quoted By: >>38463187

>>38462993
Throat Chop’s name is “Hell Thrust” in Japan

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:45:19 No.38463187 Report

Quoted By: >>38463223 >>38463252

>>38463172
I just looked it up. Sorry, didn't realise. Play Rough and Megahorn is still unfitting for Tauros though

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:49:39 No.38463223 Report

Quoted By:

>>38463187
It's really not. You are the only one going on about this. I'm going to tackle the dumbest part of this, though:
>Tauros is a bull
>Bulls have horns they use to gouge with
>"Using its tough and impressive horn, the user rams into the target with no letup."
>Megahorn is still unfitting for Tauros though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 18:53:26 No.38463252 Report

Quoted By: >>38463334

>>38463187
Yeah, fucking Fearow learns Throat Chop lol
Also Sawsbuck learns Megahorn, so I see no reason why the bull Pokemon couldn’t learn it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:02:59 No.38463334 Report

Quoted By: >>38463383

>>38463252
Sawsbuck has horns in front of it's head, Tauros's horns are on the sides of it's head

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:10:38 No.38463383 Report

Quoted By: >>38463392 >>38463433

>>38463334
I guess that explains why Tauros can't learn Horn Attack (Jp: Horn Thrust), Horn Drill, Smart Strike (Jp: Smart Horn), and Fury Attack (Jp: Disturbed Stab). Oh wait, it can learn all of those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:11:58 No.38463392 Report

Quoted By: >>38463501 >>38463502

>>38463383
It's easier to use those moves when horns are on the side of the head than Megahorn. Using Megahorn involves stabbing the opponent with a horn, which is easier done with frontfacing horns

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:16:45 No.38463433 Report

Quoted By: >>38463467

>>38463383
Please stop arguing with the autistic child.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:21:09 No.38463467 Report

Quoted By: >>38463501 >>38463502 >>38472899

>>38463433
How the fuck is Tauros able to use Megahorn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:26:13 No.38463501 Report

Quoted By: >>38463511 >>38463528

>>38463392
>>38463467
>It's easier to use those moves when horns are on the side of the head than Megahorn.
Horn Attack:
>"The target is jabbed with a sharply pointed horn to inflict damage."
Horn Drill:
>"The user stabs the target with a horn that rotates like a drill."
Smart Strike:
>"The user stabs the target with a sharp horn."
Fury Attack:
>"The target is jabbed repeatedly with a horn or beak two to five times in a row."
In what way are any of these easier to use with curved horns coming out the side of its head? Megahorn's exactly the same way - there is no justifiable reason Tauros shouldn't be allowed to learn Megahorn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:26:46 No.38463502 Report

Quoted By: >>38463528

>>38463467
>>38463392
>bulls can't stab
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3086180/one-eyed-matador-dubbed-the-pirate-has-his-glass-eye-knocked-out-after-being-horrifically-gored-in-a-bullfight/amp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:28:48 No.38463511 Report

Quoted By: >>38464224

>>38463501
Megahorn requires more precision than what Tauros's sidefacing horns allow. Frontfacing horns are easier to control and are more accurate and precise

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:30:31 No.38463528 Report

Quoted By: >>38463550 >>38463561

>>38463501
>>38463502
Please stop arguing with the autistic child.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:33:44 No.38463550 Report

Quoted By: >>38463558 >>38463561

>>38463528
You said that already, come up with something new to call me other than "autistic", faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:35:06 No.38463558 Report

Quoted By:

>>38463550
the fact that you're unironically claiming that a horned pokemon is incapable of using a horn move is all the evidence needed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:35:16 No.38463561 Report

Quoted By:

>>38463528
He needs to know that bulls can stab.

>>38463550
>posting Stinkling
sasuga autistic child

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:35:30 No.38463562 Report

Quoted By: >>38463623

>>38461481
Gen 1 was broken as fuck. You could power through the whole thing with a butterfree

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:40:14 No.38463607 Report

Quoted By: >>38464211

>>38461872
That’s why it will never fix all of your bro shimons. Only a handful of megas will ever be relevant in PVP. Meanwhile in game any single mega will break the game through sheer stats and power. It is a terrible mechanic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:42:32 No.38463623 Report

Quoted By: >>38463668 >>38467111

>>38463562
And yet Tauros was still one of the best. It was arguably the best Pokemon period, besides Mew and Mewtwo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:48:54 No.38463668 Report

Quoted By: >>38463680

>>38463623
That doesn't mean anything when the game balance is already broken to shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 19:50:32 No.38463680 Report

Quoted By:

>>38463668
There were clear top-tier mons and clear shitmons and Tauros was firmly in the former category.
I'm not even talking about singleplayer here.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:02:36 No.38464209 Report

Quoted By: >>38464256

tfw no Minotaur pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:02:58 No.38464211 Report

Quoted By:

>>38463607
Most of them don’t actually do that. Calm down

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:05:24 No.38464224 Report

Quoted By:

>>38463511

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:08:00 No.38464245 Report

Quoted By: >>38464266 >>38464286 >>38464369

>>38461574
>just look at the Gen 7 Pokedex entries
Examples?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:10:00 No.38464256 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464209
It seems so obvious that it’s bizarre there isn’t.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:10:10 No.38464259 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461574
>It was a mistake and Game Freak knows
t. Rotom

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:10:59 No.38464265 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461472
I, too, catch Arceus in midgame and later box it for Pokemon with better BST.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:11:05 No.38464266 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464245
He thinks that the dex entries for some mega evolutions mean that GF didn’t like them

Here’s Salamence
“Mega Evolution fuels its brutality, and it may even turn on the Trainer who raised it. It’s been dubbed “the blood-soaked crescent.””

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:14:03 No.38464286 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464245
>The power of Mega Evolution was so strong that it smashed Glalie's jaw. Its inability to eat very well leaves Glalie irritated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:16:36 No.38464306 Report

Quoted By: >>38464343

>>38463045

the embarrassing thing is Nidoking is oneof my all-time favorite pokemon and i've used him a ton, competitively and it still never hit me that he didn't get gunk shot.

I think the reason I never put 2 and 2 together is that when I deal with gunk shot its always as a coverage move for a non-poison type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:22:15 No.38464343 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464306
Sometimes the reason is simply Gamefreak being retarded.

Reminder that Kyurem-Black can't learn Ice Punch or Earthquake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:25:49 No.38464369 Report

Quoted By: >>38464481 >>38464498 >>38464516

>>38464245
"Its red claws and the tips of its tail are melting from high internal temperatures that are painful to Houndoom itself."
From the Pokemon Ultra Sun Pokedex entry. If Game Freak didn't regret Mega Evolution, then why are they writing Pokedex entries such as this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:42:20 No.38464481 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464369
Because GameFreak thinks their players want darker Dex entries. Keep in mind they went back on this in Let's Go, and made them better reflect what was established in Gen 6. Even Mega Gyarados was stated to still listen to a trainer it truly trusts/bonds with. Another thing to keep in mind is that Mega Pinsir's entries beforehand were neutral at worst - one of them states it's actually happy because it can fly, now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:44:53 No.38464498 Report

Quoted By: >>38464683

>>38464369
>If Game Freak didn't regret Mega Evolution, then why are they writing Pokedex entries such as this?
to emphasize that mega evolution puts the body under a lot of stress, which is why it's temporary and why it can only happen if the Pokemon has a trainer to look after it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:48:24 No.38464514 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461086
Sunglasses.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 21:48:58 No.38464516 Report

Quoted By: >>38464645

>>38464369
We’ve had dark dex entries since the beginning anyways. What’s the point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:00:50 No.38464597 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461086
He's fine, the other pokemon that are too strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:06:42 No.38464645 Report

Quoted By: >>38464678

>>38464516
Mega Evolution is hurting the fucking Pokemon. That's the point

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:09:14 No.38464678 Report

Quoted By: >>38464713

>>38464645
And what does that have to do with GF regretting mega evolution?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:09:34 No.38464683 Report

Quoted By: >>38464789

>>38464498
Mega Evolution was never said to be harmful to the Pokemon during Gen 6. It was only in Gen 7 that Game Freak started saying Mega Evolution is harmful to the Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:11:53 No.38464697 Report

Quoted By:

>>38462140
You can have an entire team of cross-gen evos.
You get one mega, meaning your other 5 shitmons aren't actually fixed because they cant use their mega stones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:13:26 No.38464713 Report

Quoted By: >>38464736 >>38464740 >>38464789

>>38464678
Why would Game Freak write Pokedex entries like this if they didn't regret Mega Evolution?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:16:05 No.38464736 Report

Quoted By: >>38464759

>>38464713
What, are you going to say they regret making the Pokemon they produce darker Dex entries for, too? This isn't a new thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:17:01 No.38464740 Report

Quoted By: >>38464777

>>38464713
How would that prove that GF does regret mega evolution? We’re talking about the same games that buffed them. It must’ve taken a lot of mental gymnastics to come to THAT conclusion, other than GF just wanted to make darker dex entries for angsty teenagers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:19:26 No.38464759 Report

Quoted By: >>38464789 >>38464822

>>38464736
It isn't just that the Pokedex entries are "dark". When has a Pokedex entry ever mentioned the Pokemon having a feature or a property that makes it experience pain other than the entries for the Mega Evolutions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:22:29 No.38464777 Report

Quoted By: >>38464813 >>38466580

>>38464740
Because it's unnecessary for Game Freak to write Pokedex entries about Mega Evolution causing harm to the Pokemon, unless they regret making Mega Evolution. Not a lot of "mental gymnastics" involved, just having common sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:23:54 No.38464789 Report

Quoted By: >>38464811

>>38464683
And? It wasn't clear in gen 6 why mega evolution required a human trainer, or why it was temporary. Now we know: it's extremely stressful for the body and can be dangerous if undergone carelessly.

>>38464713
These things are not related.

>>38464759
Charmander will die if its tail flame ever goes it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:27:16 No.38464811 Report

Quoted By: >>38464828 >>38464842

>>38464789
>And? It wasn't clear in gen 6 why mega evolution required a human trainer, or why it was temporary. Now we know: it's extremely stressful for the body and can be dangerous if undergone carelessly.
Originally, Mega Evolution required a human trainer because Mega Evolution was powered by the bond between the Pokemon and their trainer. So it was pretty clear
>These things are not related
Yes they are
>Charmander will die if its tail flame ever goes it.
Does it say anywhere about Charmander's flame on its tail causing harm?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:27:47 No.38464813 Report

Quoted By: >>38464856

>>38464777
Making dark entries for Pokémon in general are unnecessary. But they do it anyway. You are pulling shit out of your ass to say that GF regrets mega evolution. Just say you don’t like them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:29:36 No.38464822 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464759
Charmander dies if its tail flame goes out. Spoink dies if it ever stops bouncing. Primeape can become so angry that it dies. Deino is blind and frequently injures itself by accident. Zweilous' two heads constantly fight each other. Hydreigon's middle head is the only one with a brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:31:18 No.38464828 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464811
>Originally, Mega Evolution required a human trainer because Mega Evolution was powered by the bond between the Pokemon and their trainer. So it was pretty clear
He means why is the bond between Pokémon and trainer necessary for mega evolution

>Yes they are
No they’re not

>Does it say anywhere about Charmander's flame on its tail causing harm?
That doesn’t matter. You’re using extra details to shove your narrative that GF somehow hates mega evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:33:20 No.38464842 Report

Quoted By: >>38464887

>>38464811
>Yes they are
No they aren't. It's like saying that Mareanie eating Corsola branches proves it's Masuda's waifu. It's a complete non-sequitur.
In fact, megas appearing in LGPE when even Z-Moves didn't get in proves quite clearly that they DON'T regret mega evolution.

>Does it say anywhere about Charmander's flame on its tail causing harm?
It's a weak point that's extremely easy to attack and causes instant death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:34:58 No.38464856 Report

Quoted By: >>38464864 >>38464900 >>38465020

>>38464813
Of course I don't fucking like them. They've ruined the games in my opinion and it makes Pokemon more like Digimon
Game Freak also dislikes Mega Evolution. That's why they write "dark" Pokedex entries for Megas (dark Pokedex entries have always been a thing, but have never involved the Pokemon itself being harmed)
This is why I say Game Freak regrets Mega Evolution. Back in Gen 6, Mega Evolution was depicted as a good thing for the Pokemon. The Pokemon receiving increased power from the bond with its trainer. Now, Mega Evolution is portrayed as bad and harmful towards the Pokemon
That's what you don't get. Mega Evolution is HARMFUL to the POKEMON ITSELF. Not any other Pokemon, but to ITSELF

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:36:29 No.38464864 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464856
dumb autismo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:39:27 No.38464881 Report

Quoted By: >>38470857

>>38461086
I'm out of the loop. What does JUST mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:40:06 No.38464887 Report

Quoted By: >>38465020

>>38464842
>No they aren't. It's like saying that Mareanie eating Corsola branches proves it's Masuda's waifu. It's a complete non-sequitur.
In fact, megas appearing in LGPE when even Z-Moves didn't get in proves quite clearly that they DON'T regret mega evolution.
The only reason why Mega Evolution was included in LGPE was for marketing purposes. Game Freak realises Mega Evolution is more popular among fans than Z-Moves, which is why Z-Moves weren't included
>It's a weak point that's extremely easy to attack and causes instant death.
Charmander's tail being a weak point doesn't mean Charmander is getting harmed by its tail, unless it's being attacked

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:41:53 No.38464900 Report

Quoted By: >>38464909

>>38464856
>it makes Pokemon more like Digimon
Any remote possibility of credibility you could have had was lost when you said this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:43:02 No.38464909 Report

Quoted By: >>38464925

>>38464900
It does and that's a fact

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:44:23 No.38464925 Report

Quoted By: >>38464954

>>38464909
Please play this and learn the difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:47:15 No.38464954 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464925
I guess you're okay with Pokemon turning into a shitty knockoff of Digimon (which was a shitty knockoff of Pokemon in the first place)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 22:55:42 No.38465020 Report

Quoted By: >>38465090

>>38464856
That doesn’t mean shit when you realize that the entries in LGPE aren’t dark like in SM. This means that the whole “Pokémon harming themselves” dex entires in SM don’t mean shit. You’re taking that way too seriously

>>38464887
>The only reason why Mega Evolution was included in LGPE was for marketing purposes. Game Freak realises Mega Evolution is more popular among fans than Z-Moves, which is why Z-Moves weren't included
How does this show that GF regrets mega evolution?

>Charmander's tail being a weak point doesn't mean Charmander is getting harmed by its tail, unless it's being attacked
How does that make its dex entry any less dark than it actually is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 23:04:02 No.38465090 Report

Quoted By: >>38465171 >>38466679

>>38465020
>How does this show that GF regrets mega evolution?
This by itself doesn't show that Game Freak regrets Mega Evolution, but if you watch a recent interview (I forget which one specifically), Junichi Masuda mentions prefering Z-Moves to Mega Evolution and why Mega Evolution wasn't featured prominently in Gen 7. This doesn't necessarily mean Game Freak regrets Mega Evolution, but it does show Game Freak at least has a preference towards Z-Moves
>How does that make its dex entry any less dark than it actually is?
The point isn't that the Pokedex entries are dark, it's that if the Pokedex entries mention the Pokemon experiencing pain because of something the Pokemon can't help that's apart of it, that's a little suspicious imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 23:15:09 No.38465171 Report

Quoted By: >>38465185

>>38465090
It's ok to have suspicions, but there isn't really anything else to prove that GF regrets mega evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 23:17:16 No.38465185 Report

Quoted By: >>38465194 >>38465218

>>38465171
They certainly want to phase it out of Pokemon for some reason
Why wasn't Mega Evolution featured in Gen 7 outside of the postgame and why are Mega Evolutions not allowed in VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 23:18:53 No.38465194 Report

Quoted By: >>38465212

>>38465185
>Why wasn't Mega Evolution featured in Gen 7 outside of the postgame and why are Mega Evolutions not allowed in VGC?
Because Gen 7's focus was on Z-Moves, and they didn't want Mega Evolutions to outshine the new mechanic. That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 23:20:54 No.38465212 Report

Quoted By: >>38467367

>>38465194
Why do they allow Hidden Abilities in all VGC's post Gen 5 in that case?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 23:21:45 No.38465218 Report

Quoted By: >>38465244

>>38465185
>Why wasn't Mega Evolution featured in Gen 7 outside of the postgame
Probably to keep the focus on Z-moves. Most people would probably think it would be better to have a transformation as opposed to a one time nuke

>why are Mega Evolutions not allowed in VGC
To be fair, Z-moves weren't allowed at one point during VGC either

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 23:24:37 No.38465244 Report

Quoted By: >>38465387 >>38472326

>>38465218
>Probably to keep the focus on Z-moves. Most people would probably think it would be better to have a transformation as opposed to a one time nuke
Those people are retards. Not only do Mega Evolutions increase powercreep and make for a cancerous metagame, but they are limited to certain Pokemon
With Z-Moves, not only are they much less cancerous, but every Pokemon can use them
>To be fair, Z-moves weren't allowed at one point during VGC either
Now they are, but Mega Evolutions still aren't allowed yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 23:26:07 No.38465258 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461086
he's perfect as is because he's sexy as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2019 23:42:01 No.38465387 Report

Quoted By: >>38468522

>>38465244
>Those people are retards. Not only do Mega Evolutions increase powercreep and make for a cancerous metagame, but they are limited to certain Pokemon
>With Z-Moves, not only are they much less cancerous, but every Pokemon can use them
None of that matters during singleplayer

>Now they are, but Mega Evolutions still aren't allowed yet
They are

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 00:30:24 No.38465739 Report

Quoted By: >>38468540

>>38461979
>shitty opinion fag is a cunt that still think poquemon has a war with digishit lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 02:17:38 No.38466469 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461086

He needs to be top-tier again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 02:43:37 No.38466580 Report

Quoted By: >>38468537

>>38464777
If somebody wrote a dark and grim sequel to their not so dark and grim story, would you think that they "regretted" writing the original story?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 02:50:37 No.38466612 Report

Quoted By: >>38467237

>>38462561
Yes it does retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 02:51:46 No.38466615 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461086
IMAGINE getting cucked by your Gen 5 clone in the big live action movie lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 03:00:47 No.38466679 Report

Quoted By: >>38468514

>>38465090
>but if you watch a recent interview (I forget which one specifically), Junichi Masuda mentions prefering Z-Moves to Mega Evolution and why Mega Evolution wasn't featured prominently in Gen 7. This doesn't necessarily mean Game Freak regrets Mega Evolution, but it does show Game Freak at least has a preference towards Z-Moves
Are you talking about this interview?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2016-10-19-pokemon-boss-explains-why-sun-and-moon-move-away-from-mega-evolution
Granted it's not recent, but it's the only one I know of that explains why new Megas were absent during Gen 7. Also notice that Masuda said they wouldn't mind bringing the mechanic back in the form of new ones if it "worked really well" with the next game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 03:45:00 No.38466967 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461086
MODS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 04:11:23 No.38467111 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461481
>>38463623

Tauros used to be one of the Pokemon in the category of strong Pokemon. He needs to return to that category.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 04:33:24 No.38467237 Report

Quoted By: >>38471693

>>38466612
No it doesn’t. It just needs a few stat boosts and some coverage, not a mega. Calm down

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 04:41:28 No.38467266 Report

Quoted By: >>38467286

>>38461349
>elemental fangs
cow bites are deadly, anon. not the giant piercing weapons on the side of their skull or the bone crunching feet, not at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 04:45:08 No.38467286 Report

Quoted By: >>38467421

>>38467266
Pls gib elemental horn/slash GF

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 04:45:55 No.38467292 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461587
It's this autist again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 04:50:29 No.38467306 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461086
Shared baby prevo with Miltank. Breeding is an awful system but Male only pokemon shouldn't be completely screwed by the system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 04:51:05 No.38467308 Report

Quoted By: >>38467330

>>38463121
>It’s not that its special coverage is better than its physical, more like the moves are stronger (ie. elemental special moves as opposed to the elemental punches)

Special nido's are immune to Burns attack reduction and intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 04:56:22 No.38467330 Report

Quoted By:

>>38467308
I wasn’t talking about that though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 05:03:51 No.38467367 Report

Quoted By:

>>38465212
They allow Megas in VGC too, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 05:06:25 No.38467378 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461086
>one of the strongest pokemon in gen 1
>got worse with each new generation
>now completely useless
tauros didn't deserve this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 05:17:59 No.38467421 Report

Quoted By:

>>38467286
it would open up shit to other horned pokemon like the mentioned nidoking, rhydon and rhyperior,, a lot others I can't be bothered to think of while drunk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 10:12:12 No.38468514 Report

Quoted By: >>38471540

>>38466679
" if it "worked really well" basically means "if it will sell more copies"
That's why it was shoehorned into LGPE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 10:14:09 No.38468522 Report

Quoted By: >>38469212

>>38465387
>None of that matters during singleplayer
The multiplayer is just as important you friendless turboautist
>They are
They might be,i haven't been keeping up with VGC lately

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 10:18:57 No.38468537 Report

Quoted By: >>38469228

>>38466580
Read my fucking post. The Pokedex entry being "dark" isn't the point, the point is Game Freak never wrote a Pokedex entry about a feature of a Pokemon causing it harm until the Mega Evolution entries in Gen 7
I shouldn't have to repeat myself just because you're too autistic to read properly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 10:20:29 No.38468540 Report

Quoted By:

>>38465739
I'm not saying Pokemon "has a war" with Digimon, I'm just saying Mega Evolution makes Pokemon more like Digimon, which I heavily dislike

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 13:12:50 No.38469212 Report

Quoted By:

>>38468522
>The multiplayer is just as important you friendless turboautist
We’re talking about why mega evolution was available only in postgame. We weren’t talking about multiplayer at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 13:15:37 No.38469228 Report

Quoted By: >>38470907

>>38468537
They’re not any different from other dark dex entries just because it says they harming themselves. You’re paying way too much attention to that small detail and making it out to be something different

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 18:09:26 No.38470857 Report

Quoted By:

>>38464881
just fuck my shit up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 18:16:11 No.38470907 Report

Quoted By: >>38471272

>>38469228
Yes they are, that's precisely why they're different you fucking sperg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 19:09:45 No.38471272 Report

Quoted By: >>38471303

>>38470907
No, they’re not. Again you’re taking that harming aspect way too far

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 19:14:29 No.38471300 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461992
can't we just permanently ban underage people?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 19:14:43 No.38471303 Report

Quoted By: >>38471677

>>38471272
No I'm not. No Pokedex entry has ever mentioned the Pokemon being harmed by its transformation other than the ones for the Mega Evolutions

Incineroar

Incineroar Sat 04 May 2019 19:17:16 No.38471319 Report

Quoted By: >>38471525 >>38472239

>>38461086
115hp
115atk
95def
90sp. atk
75sp. def
115speed
normalize

Give him new move that cancel recoil damage for 3 turns and give him head smash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 19:49:23 No.38471525 Report

Quoted By: >>38471546

>>38471319
That's a 605 BST for a non-legendary Pokemon, lower some fucking stats
Also, Normalize is a shitty ability. Better abilities would be Reckless, Speed Boost or Moxie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 19:52:07 No.38471540 Report

Quoted By: >>38471579

>>38468514
By that logic Megas should return in Sword/Shield. Ohmori even said in a previous Pokenchi episode that the theme of the new Generation will be "the strongest Pokemon", and that sounds like a theme Mega evolution could "work really well" with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 19:52:46 No.38471546 Report

Quoted By: >>38471594

>>38471525
This Pokemon's moves are changed to be Normal type and have 1.2x power.

yea, 'shit'

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 19:58:54 No.38471579 Report

Quoted By: >>38471708

>>38471540
Megas shouldn't return in Sword and Shield just to fit the theme of "the strongest Pokemon"
I care about gameplay more than shitty gimmicks that appeal to zoomers and ruins the meta
Megas are pretty much guaranteed to return in the next generation anyway because the modern Pokemon fanbase eat up Mega Evolution because of fanservice and nothing else. Not even caring about the metagame or what Pokemon is about, just excited that their favorite Pokemon has a new super form

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:01:28 No.38471594 Report

Quoted By: >>38471599

>>38471546
>This Pokemon's moves are changed to be Normal type
That's precisely why Normalize is a shit ability. It turns any of Tauros's coverage moves into Normal-Type moves, removing unpredictability and making Tauros unable to even hit Ghost-Types

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:02:26 No.38471599 Report

Quoted By: >>38471638

>>38471594
tauros is a power house, not coverage pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:07:11 No.38471638 Report

Quoted By: >>38472455 >>38472469 >>38472499

>>38471599
It's still required to have coverage moves you turbotard. If Tauros just had Normal-Type moves, Tauros wouldn't be able to hit any Pokemon supereffectively, be resisted by Rock and Steel-Types and be completely countered by literally any Ghost-Type
Being a "power house" is all well and good, but if the Pokemon's learnset is complete shit because of a shit ability, then the Pokemon is just shit and will get relegated to the ZU tier

I fucking swear, retards like you should be banned from this board

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:13:15 No.38471677 Report

Quoted By:

>>38471303
So what? You’re still grasping at things that aren’t even there

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:16:05 No.38471693 Report

Quoted By: >>38471725

>>38467237
A mega is not a controversy considering Audino and Pidgeot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:17:55 No.38471708 Report

Quoted By: >>38471728 >>38472129

>>38471579
>Not caring about what Pokémon is about
Then what is Pokémon about then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:19:38 No.38471725 Report

Quoted By:

>>38471693
Pokémon that were already weaker than Tauros. Try again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:19:47 No.38471728 Report

Quoted By: >>38471790

>>38471708
Rule 34.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:20:32 No.38471737 Report

Quoted By:

>>38461086
I'd nerf him harder just because I hate him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 20:27:43 No.38471790 Report

Quoted By:

>>38471728
>Not wanting Mega Lopunny porn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:01:56 No.38472129 Report

Quoted By: >>38472246 >>38472251 >>38472456

>>38471708
Not harming your Pokemon with an involuntary transformation
Just look at the designs of most of the Mega Evolutions, they look like shit. They look like fucking Chernobyl mutants. It's the equivalent of giving your dog extreme amounts of steroids so it becomes stronger
Mega Evolution was a mistake and Game Freak knows it. The only reason why Game Freak hasn't removed Mega Evolution yet is because of the shitstorm that will ensue by the autistic zoomer fanbase that need their super mega ultra forms of their favorite Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:14:47 No.38472239 Report

Quoted By: >>38472255

>>38471319
>That's a 605 BST for a non-legendary Pokemon
Who cares?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:15:44 No.38472246 Report

Quoted By: >>38472270 >>38473072

>>38472129
But the vast majority of mega designs are improvements, or at worst sidegrades, to the base design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:16:11 No.38472251 Report

Quoted By: >>38472263

>>38472129
>Not harming your Pokemon with an involuntary transformation
>involuntary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:16:33 No.38472255 Report

Quoted By: >>38472272

>>38472239
Most people. Tauros shouldn't have a BST over FUCKING CELIBI, MAGEARNA AND PSUDOLEGENDS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:17:46 No.38472263 Report

Quoted By: >>38472283

>>38472251
Involuntary for the Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:19:05 No.38472270 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472246
>the vast majority of mega designs are improvements, or at worst sidegrades, to the base design.
If you honestly believe that, then you must be a tidepod munching zoomer with AHDH. How can someone have such shit taste

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:19:16 No.38472272 Report

Quoted By: >>38472292

>>38472255
>mu-muh patterns
Autism

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:20:17 No.38472283 Report

Quoted By: >>38472300

>>38472263
Wrong, play the games, see the anime, see the movies or read the manga

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:21:13 No.38472292 Report

Quoted By: >>38472316 >>38472329 >>38472391

>>38472272
Not autism, just consistent game design. Which if you don't know (which you probably don't because you're clinically mentally retarded) IS FUCKING IMPORTANT FOR DECENT GAME DESIGN

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:22:18 No.38472300 Report

Quoted By: >>38472311

>>38472283
Any depictions of Mega Evolution in the anime or manga after Gen 6?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:23:54 No.38472311 Report

Quoted By: >>38472319

>>38472300
Yes, Mega-Steelix and Mega-Gyarados in the SM anime

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:25:47 No.38472316 Report

Quoted By: >>38472332

>>38472292
>pokemon
>decent game design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:26:20 No.38472319 Report

Quoted By: >>38472340

>>38472311
Which Game Freak will depict as being good because if they didn't, zoomers like you would harass Game Freak and anime employees on Twitter and Pokemon games and other products will sell like shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:27:06 No.38472326 Report

Quoted By: >>38472360

>>38465244
You're actually retarded if you think Z-moves are better for game balance than megas. Imagine a world in which Z-moves exist but Megas don't. Mawile, Beedrill, Pidgeot, etc are still total garbage because Z moves do literally nothing to improve unviable Pokemon, as the Pokemon that are already good can use those same Z-moves much better than the shitmons can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:27:18 No.38472329 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472292
>the meta-game is completely ruined thanks to legendaries, but at least the game design is consistent

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:27:43 No.38472332 Report

Quoted By: >>38472350

>>38472316
I still have a point though. It's extremely rare for a non-psuedo legendary, non-legendary, non-mythical Pokemon to have a BST over 600 or even 540

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:29:37 No.38472340 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472319
I'm still waiting for you to post something that prove that the mega-evolutions are involuntary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:30:38 No.38472350 Report

Quoted By: >>38472367

>>38472332
But that's important because..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:31:43 No.38472360 Report

Quoted By: >>38472397 >>38472456

>>38472326
You know what would be better than both? BUFFING THE FUCKING BASE FORM OF THE SHITMON ITSELF INSTEAD OF GIVING IT A SHITTY OVERDESIGNED TEMPORARY FORM

Which is something Game Freak will never do because it's not as marketable to autists as "SUPER MEGA ULTRA ASH GRENINJA X and MEWTWO ALTERED X GAMMA FORM". So I'm just getting pissed over nothing...

Mega Evolution is still objectively shit, both for the lore and gameplay. I want Pokemon to be Pokemon, not Digimon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:32:50 No.38472367 Report

Quoted By: >>38472406

>>38472350
A regular Pokemon such as Tauros shouldn't have a BST higher than many non-boxart legendaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:33:12 No.38472371 Report

Quoted By: >>38472417

>>38461086
You give it an evo based on a minotaur. Normal/Fighting.

Give it the ability Maze Master (reduces opponents speed and may cause them confusion, ups the users evasion)

New Move: Bull Bash. Fighting Type move. 90 attack. 100 accuracy. An all out attack that is designed to ko the opponent.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:35:10 No.38472391 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472292
>you can't fix this mon because the game design would be inconsistent and therefore bad
you are one of those faggots that say that not every pokemon should be good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:35:32 No.38472397 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472360
Autism

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:36:17 No.38472406 Report

Quoted By: >>38472457 >>38472479

>>38472367
>A regular Pokemon such as Tauros shouldn't have a BST higher than many non-boxart legendaries
Because...
>Consistency
But that's important because...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:36:55 No.38472415 Report

Quoted By:

Pukumuku (.*.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:37:12 No.38472417 Report

Quoted By: >>38472454 >>38472610

>>38472371
Tauros shouldn't have an evolution, especially if it's an evolution as retarded as you suggest
Tauros is already complete and should be buffed directly instead of be given an evolution or (Arceus fucking forbid) Mega Evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:40:47 No.38472454 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472417
>literally just a bull but with 3 tails
>this is a quality, completed design and shouldn't be improved upon with a mega just like GF has done for other pokemon

Begone, boomer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:41:10 No.38472455 Report

Quoted By:

>>38471638
>I fucking swear, retards like you should be banned from this board
MOOOOOOOOM I HATE WHEN PEOPLE THEINK DIFFERENT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:41:11 No.38472456 Report

Quoted By: >>38472487

>>38472129
>Mega Evolution was a mistake and Game Freak knows it.
They don’t hate mega evolution. Get over it

>>38472360
Pokémon is Pokémon. Calm down

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:41:16 No.38472457 Report

Quoted By: >>38472514

>>38472406
>Because...
Tauros isn't a boxart-legendary and is not nearly as powerful as one
>But that's important because...
Without relative consistency in your game, it would make for a shitty game in terms of design. Pokemon already isn't the best designed game in terms of online play, we don't need regular Pokemon with the same BST as legendaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:42:32 No.38472469 Report

Quoted By: >>38472491 >>38472509

>>38471638
and it still sweeps ton of mon it hits normally with the choice band/life orb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:44:09 No.38472479 Report

Quoted By: >>38472514

>>38472406
And why exactly should we ignore this other than you absolutely must make Tauros good again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:44:43 No.38472487 Report

Quoted By: >>38472505

>>38472456
>They don’t hate mega evolution. Get over it
Only because it makes them money...
>Pokémon is Pokémon. Calm down
It won't be if Game Freak keeps introducing retarded gimmicks such as Mega Evolution and Z-Moves. Game Freak will keep doing it with every generation until we have 6 poorly-designed powercreep gimmicks that you will need to add to your team to be able to fucking keep up because Game Freak can't balance for shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:45:30 No.38472491 Report

Quoted By: >>38472507 >>38472518 >>38472554

>>38472469
And why would it be better than something like Sheer Force or Reckless or Moxie?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:47:11 No.38472499 Report

Quoted By:

>>38471638
252+ Atk Choice Band Normalize Tauros Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Kyogre-Primal: 157-186 (89.7 - 106.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:48:10 No.38472505 Report

Quoted By: >>38472553

>>38472487
>Only because it makes them money...
So they don’t regret it then

>It won't be if Game Freak keeps introducing retarded gimmicks such as Mega Evolution and Z-Moves. Game Freak will keep doing it with every generation until we have 6 poorly-designed powercreep gimmicks that you will need to add to your team to be able to fucking keep up because Game Freak can't balance for shit
It still would be. Pokémon doesn’t revolve around mega evolution nearly as much as you think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:48:13 No.38472507 Report

Quoted By: >>38472554 >>38472650

>>38472491
because sheer force cancel out secondary effects and is not working on recoil cost

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:48:26 No.38472509 Report

Quoted By: >>38472529 >>38472567

>>38472469
Your opponent switched into Shuppet
Tauros used Earthquake
It didn't effect the Shuppet
Tauros used Zen Headbutt
It didn;t effect the Shuppet
>60 turns later
Tauros has no PP for tha move
Tauros used Struggle
Tauros fainted

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:48:53 No.38472514 Report

Quoted By: >>38472521

>>38472457
>>38472479
>more viable pokemon is bad game design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:49:41 No.38472518 Report

Quoted By: >>38472534

>>38472491
It isn't, but no one said Tauros had to be as minmaxed as possible. Anon's suggestion gives it a niche, and that's all that's needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:50:06 No.38472521 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472514
Which we can do without bringing its BST above 600

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:51:07 No.38472529 Report

Quoted By: >>38472573

>>38472509
>swap in ttar
>pursuit trap the ghost
>now Tauros sweeps

Every Pokemon has things that wall it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:52:16 No.38472534 Report

Quoted By: >>38472549

>>38472518
Who made it minmaxed?
>Anon's suggestion gives it a niche, and that's all that's needed.
Something its other abilities can do better without gimping its coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:54:26 No.38472549 Report

Quoted By: >>38472623

>>38472534
The point is that you don't need to give a Pokemon the best ability possible for it to be good. There's plenty of good Pokemon that have literally useless abilities, like Keldeo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:54:34 No.38472553 Report

Quoted By: >>38472642

>>38472505
>So they don’t regret it then
Yes they do, or at the very least they much prefer Z-Moves
>It still would be. Pokémon doesn’t revolve around mega evolution nearly as much as you think.
It does, especially in Gen 6 when it was introduced. Do you want Pokemon to have a shitload of confusing and poorly-designed gimmicks instead of actually good game design, because it fucking sounds like you do

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:54:38 No.38472554 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472507
>>38472491

but if you hate it then give tauros 100 sp. atk

or let's do something better;
give tauros
120hp
115atk
95def
80sp def

give it anger point, some priority weak ass critical hit move and assault vest

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:55:52 No.38472567 Report

Quoted By: >>38472590

>>38472509
you have autism? do you think my tauros was made for stand alone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:56:47 No.38472573 Report

Quoted By: >>38472601

>>38472529
Still a retarded idea. Normalize is a shitty ability and should either be buffed or removed from the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:58:42 No.38472590 Report

Quoted By: >>38472612

>>38472567
Tauros still needs coverage moves to be able to cover its weaknesses. Obviously Tauros should still have weaknesses, but Tauros should at least be able to damage Ghost-Types in some way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 21:59:27 No.38472601 Report

Quoted By: >>38472676

>>38472573
>Normalize is a shitty ability
no it's not, specially if you give tauros more powerful moves and better support, in doubles tauros can clean up special power creeps

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:00:19 No.38472610 Report

Quoted By: >>38472632

>>38472417
I don't think it is complete. So an evo would be nice, or pre-evo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:00:28 No.38472612 Report

Quoted By: >>38472646

>>38472590
YOU DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT ALONE YOU FUCKING RETARD!!!!!!!!!

holy fucking shit! you are fucking sperg, FUCK OFF

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:01:22 No.38472623 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472549
Keldeo’s ability doesn’t work against it in any way though. Normalize works against Tauros to the point where it’s not even considered a good ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:02:27 No.38472632 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472610
I don't mind Tauros getting a pre-evo, but Tauros does NOT need an evolution or Mega Evolution (no Pokemon should have Mega Evolutions in the first place, but you gotta appeal to autistic zoomers nowadays to sell copies)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:04:16 No.38472642 Report

Quoted By: >>38472652

>>38472553
>They only don’t regret mega evolution because it makes them money
>They do regret mega evolution faggot
Stop changing your shit

>It does, especially in Gen 6 when it was introduced. Do you want Pokemon to have a shitload of confusing and poorly-designed gimmicks instead of actually good game design, because it fucking sounds like you do
It doesn’t

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:04:36 No.38472646 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472612
That's why I said Tauros "should still have weaknesses". No Pokemon should be able to solo a half-decently put together team. Tauros being able to hit Ghost, Rock and Steel-Types won't mean Tauros will be soloing entire teams on a regular basis

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:05:19 No.38472650 Report

Quoted By: >>38473019

>>38472507
How is that any worse than normalize?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:05:39 No.38472652 Report

Quoted By: >>38472689

>>38472642
>It doesn’t
Please elaborate on why "It doesn't"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:08:27 No.38472676 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472601
Yes it is, especially compared to other abilities suggested as they do the same things without the drawback of losing coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:10:14 No.38472689 Report

Quoted By: >>38472715

>>38472652
You can perfectly build a team of Pokémon without megas and you’ll do just fine. Mega evolution still has weaknesses you can use to beat them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:13:02 No.38472715 Report

Quoted By: >>38472798 >>38472816 >>38472945

>>38472689
>You can perfectly build a team of Pokémon without megas and you’ll do just fine
True, instead of using Megas, you can use Ultra Beasts, Legendaries and Mythicals
>Mega evolution still has weaknesses you can use to beat them
Which is?...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:23:59 No.38472798 Report

Quoted By: >>38472828

>>38472715
>Which is?...
Not being able to use items.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:26:27 No.38472816 Report

Quoted By: >>38472852

>>38472715
>True, instead of using Megas, you can use Ultra Beasts, Legendaries and Mythicals

You say that as though there was ever a point in this series' history where the best teams didn't contain legendaries or mythicals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:28:16 No.38472828 Report

Quoted By: >>38472968 >>38473977

>>38472798
Not much of a weakness when you have a +100 BST and a broken ability (in some cases)

Just look at the OU tier in Gen 3, 4 or even 5. Far less legendaries, mythicals and Pokemon with 570+ BST's
Now look at the OU tier nowadays. It looks more like UbersBL than OU. This is what Mega Evolution (and Ultra Beasts for that matter) is doing to the metagame. Do you want that? Do you think that's good game design and good balance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:30:14 No.38472852 Report

Quoted By: >>38472968

>>38472816
There was a point where the "best teams" didn't consist of mostly legendaries and mythicals. Back in pre-Gen 6 metas. Nowadays, the OU tier is more like UbersBL than OU, when it didn't used to be that way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:35:43 No.38472899 Report

Quoted By: >>38472913

>>38463467
In the same way Bouffalant does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:37:19 No.38472913 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472899
Bouffalant has way longer horns, so it's easier for Bouffalant to perform the move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:40:36 No.38472945 Report

Quoted By:

>>38472715
>True, instead of using Megas, you can use Ultra Beasts, Legendaries and Mythicals
You’re not exactly helping your case when you say that

>Which is?...
For one they can’t hold items, meaning they lose out on shit like passive recovery, using damage boosting items, etc. And the fact that most of them have weaknesses in their movepool or stats that can be exploited by other Pokémon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:43:12 No.38472968 Report

Quoted By: >>38473125

>>38472828
It really wouldn’t have been any different otherwise. We’re going to get powercreep regardless. Hell people still think the powercreep in gen 5 was greater than anything other gens gave us

>>38472852
Yes they did. This is blatantly false

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:49:56 No.38473019 Report

Quoted By: >>38473064

>>38472650
because tauros cannot utilize it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:53:23 No.38473064 Report

Quoted By:

>>38473019
It can though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 22:54:07 No.38473072 Report

Quoted By: >>38473139

>>38472246
>But the vast majority of mega designs are improvements, or at worst sidegrades, to the base design.

literally false. There are only a few that are better than the originals, like Mega Beedrill.

Most are overdesigned garbage.

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:00:36 No.38473125 Report

Quoted By: >>38473284

>>38472968
>It really wouldn’t have been any different otherwise. We’re going to get powercreep regardless. Hell people still think the powercreep in gen 5 was greater than anything other gens gave us
Powercreep can be minimized. Game Freak just doesn't know how to properly balance their games. Mega Evolutions and Ultra Beasts (both unnecessary additions) are not helping powercreep, but just making it worse
>Yes they did. This is blatantly false
Ok, give me some examples

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:01:44 No.38473139 Report

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>>38473072
Finally, someone on this thread who isn't a complete sperg

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:14:35 No.38473263 Report

Quoted By: >>38473297 >>38473530

I can't see Hydreigon being as good as it was in Gen 5 without a Mega. It'll be RU trash as more and more powerful Fairies are introduced.

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:16:42 No.38473284 Report

Quoted By: >>38473495

>>38473125
>Powercreep can be minimized. Game Freak just doesn't know how to properly balance their games. Mega Evolutions and Ultra Beasts (both unnecessary additions) are not helping powercreep, but just making it worse
But it can’t be prevented. And quite frankly, GF doesn’t even know how much powercreep they would create. And the fact that they gave megas to certain Pokémon like Beedrill and Mawile shows they’re addressing it in a way

>Ok, give me some examples
Gen 2 had Raikou, Zapdos and Suicune on almost every team, with Moltres appearing from time to time
Gen 3 had shit like Jirachi, Regice (yes it was OU), Suicune Raikou and Zapdos again, and Celebi. Hell, Celebi in particular is the reason why so many Pokémon ran fucking HP Bug
Gen 4 had most of the same shit along with Heatran, Latias (before it was banned) and Azelf with Moltres and Cresselia being used as well
Gen 5 had all that and the Lati twins, Thunderus, Lando-T, Kyurem Black, and Terrakion and Keldeo which were fucking everywhere

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:16:51 No.38473286 Report

Quoted By: >>38473507

I know Mega evolution is a heavily opinionated topic on /vp/, but is someone here a bit too autistic in their hate for it?

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:18:05 No.38473297 Report

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>>38473263
Don’t be an idiot

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:20:52 No.38473332 Report

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>>38461450
what if i told you about smeargle?

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:44:38 No.38473495 Report

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>>38473284
>But it can’t be prevented. And quite frankly, GF doesn’t even know how much powercreep they would create. And the fact that they gave megas to certain Pokémon like Beedrill and Mawile shows they’re addressing it in a way
Powercreep can be prevented (to a certain extent) by introducing less legendaries and removing Mega Evolutions and Ultra Beasts from the game (or at least making them unusable by the player)
Beedrill and Mawile are rare exceptions, not the rule. Mawile should've had an evolution, while Beedrill is basically doomed to be an earlygame Bug-Type shitmon. Not EVERY Pokemon can be good (the vast majority should imo), Beedrill being one of those cases
>Gen 2 had Raikou, Zapdos and Suicune on almost every team, with Moltres appearing from time to time
Gen 3 had shit like Jirachi, Regice (yes it was OU), Suicune Raikou and Zapdos again, and Celebi. Hell, Celebi in particular is the reason why so many Pokémon ran fucking HP Bug
Gen 4 had most of the same shit along with Heatran, Latias (before it was banned) and Azelf with Moltres and Cresselia being used as well
Gen 5 had all that and the Lati twins, Thunderus, Lando-T, Kyurem Black, and Terrakion and Keldeo which were fucking everywhere
There were less legendaries and mythicals back then and no Mega Evolutions and Ultra Beasts, so +570 BST Pokemon weren't nearly as prevalent in OU back then as they are now
I agree that powercreep can't be stopped to a certain extent, but Game Freak can do things to reduce powercreep such as removing Mega Evolutions and Ultra Beasts (the latter of which shouldn't have been obtainable by the player imo)

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:46:39 No.38473507 Report

Quoted By: >>38474429

>>38473286
No, Mega Evolution is cancer and ruined competitive Pokemon. You would understand my autism if you played and kept up with competitive Pokemon

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:50:52 No.38473530 Report

Quoted By: >>38473543

>>38473263
All it needs is a boost to its speed and maybe a good Hidden Ability.

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2019 23:52:51 No.38473543 Report

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>>38473530
What Game Freak needs to do is let more Pokemon with Levitate also have a second ability it can choose (and also give Gengar Levitate back, Gengar did not need a fucking nerf)

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Anonymous Sun 05 May 2019 00:56:01 No.38473977 Report

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>>38472828
>Just look at the OU tier in Gen 3, 4 or even 5. Far less legendaries, mythicals and Pokemon with 570+ BST's
Because there were far less legendaries, mythicals, and Pokemon with 570+ BSTs.

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Anonymous Sun 05 May 2019 02:15:14 No.38474429 Report

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>>38473507
>You would understand my autism if you were autistic as well

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