>>20928623The problem is that /vt/ always twist the meaning of what a "normal" man is supposed to look like, most of the time it's always used by jealous people on /vt/ that feel threatened that a woman could possibly like someone that doesn't look like a troglodyte like themselves. Kenmochi is a example of what i would consider a normal trad design, no makeup, no long hair, no crop tops or nail polish just looks like a 80s anime protag, but fags on /vt/ would still seethe and call it "effeminate" for no reason.