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Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:24:31 No.59452799 View View Reply Original Report

lol. lmao even

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:26:01 No.59452893 Report

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Japanese is a debuff language

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:27:26 No.59452967 Report

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Tell them it's awful over here. Nothing worth in Holo EN besides Fuwamoco and Gura

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:28:56 No.59453059 Report

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>>59452799
>eops learning japanese for hololive
roru. rumao even

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:35:02 No.59453401 Report

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>>59453059
>roru. rumao iben
hzhi

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:35:10 No.59453410 Report

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>>59452799
It's just for fun, kinmoza had a similar "english lesson" book.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:35:25 No.59453423 Report

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>>59452799
First we learned their language, now they're learning ours. Seems only fair. I bet people who started learning English all the way back when Myth debuted have improved a lot by this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:35:56 No.59453447 Report

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>>59452799
lmao

they would learn better English from the StarsEN boys

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:36:00 No.59453451 Report

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>>59452799
I notice a lot of Japanese people in my EN oshi chat room

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:47:28 No.59454100 Report

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>>59453423
I was able to read all of this except 1 kanji, holy shit reps are real

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:53:48 No.59454440 Report

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>>59452799
Japs are too lazy to learn English. Also they don't have anime like we do to learn their language faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:54:52 No.59454495 Report

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Japs are literally forced to learn English in grade school yet as soon as they get out all they can do is meme or act cute/retarded with the language

lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:56:36 No.59454619 Report

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>>59452799
If we can never be Japanese, they can never be English.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 22:58:45 No.59454741 Report

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>>59452799
good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:03:15 No.59455008 Report

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>>59452799
>Jap>English book
>but no English>Jap book
seems like the target audience for one is much bigger than the other

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:10:31 No.59455402 Report

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>>59454100
It was the 喋, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:10:48 No.59455422 Report

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>>59455402
yeah how did you know

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:10:52 No.59455424 Report

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>>59452799
where download please sir?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:13:42 No.59455570 Report

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>>59452799
better than nothing kek, even chinks are better at english.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:16:15 No.59455728 Report

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>>59455422
Because that kanji is not exactly common despite not being rare either. More often than not 喋る is written in hiragana. You should know it since it’s fairly used in literature but it’s still a not so common kanji in daily life.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:16:19 No.59455731 Report

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>>59452799
Why? Are they interested in whoretubers and male cocksleeves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:18:03 No.59455833 Report

Quoted By: >>59457957 >>59477683

>>59452967
>and gura
why? they'll never see here except once in a blue moon when she goes to japan. At least FWMC actually wants to stream with the JP members

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:45:56 No.59457535 Report

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>>59455728
ah okay, I've only read some manga so far and some video game text and I haven't seen it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Sep 2023 23:52:23 No.59457957 Report

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>>59452967
>>59455833
you will never be Japanese

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 00:54:20 No.59462902 Report

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>>59452799
Would it be feasible if /vt/ released an English learning book instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 00:57:00 No.59463131 Report

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>>59452799
I learned Japanese for Salome, they're just like me, fr fr.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 00:59:50 No.59463385 Report

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>>59454495
Just like Americans with Spanish

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 01:27:30 No.59465844 Report

Quoted By: >>59467986 >>59468169

>>59452799
Too late OP, They already /here/ since 2021
https://eigo-net-slang-jiten.blogspot.com/2021/04/hololive.html?m=1

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 01:41:21 No.59467121 Report

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>>59452799
i want to creampie namori's hag pussy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 01:48:05 No.59467712 Report

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>>59452799
learning english is a good thing if they ever want to leave their country

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Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 01:51:11 No.59467986 Report

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>>59465844
ToT

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 01:53:13 No.59468169 Report

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>>59465844
i remember when the person who ran that site was in /hlgg/ asking what certain terms meant and then immediately updated the site when they were told

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 02:10:41 No.59469580 Report

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>>59452799
>Recommended by Miko
It's surely very effective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 03:07:48 No.59474200 Report

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if you really want to learn English from them, just watch their streams lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 04:01:02 No.59477683 Report

Quoted By: >>59486142

>>59455833
Why are you so mad that people like Gura? Who cares?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 04:10:00 No.59478245 Report

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>>59454741
>English is the easiest language in the world
lol. lmao even
t. EOP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 04:20:35 No.59478877 Report

Quoted By: >>59485922

>>59455728
Thats しゃべる which means basically to talk right? I hear the JPs use it in stream all the time, but if you could tell me what the difference between that and using 言う or 話すis that would help me a lot. Thank you :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 05:01:50 No.59481183 Report

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I hate HoloEN it's so unreal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 05:11:10 No.59481703 Report

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If you don't already know English are you even human?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 06:01:56 No.59484358 Report

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>>59452799
Where is the Tempus version?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 06:21:35 No.59485255 Report

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>>59452799
That "even Miko can understand it!" book sleeve is pretty funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 06:25:51 No.59485440 Report

Quoted By: >>59485881

>>59452799
Anecdata, but I've seen at least 2 Japanese people I follow on Twitter learn English because of Holo EN
One of them used to be a Sanbakafag but started watching HoloEN and is now a Kaela fan (I don't know the fanbase name)
https://twitter.com/mitsumine323
Then another one who didn't like vtubers at first and even unfollowed me for being a vtuberfag, now studies English and watches Niji EN for some reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 06:33:58 No.59485789 Report

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ENGLISH A SHIT. I REPEAT, ENGLISH A SHIT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 06:36:38 No.59485881 Report

Quoted By: >>59488035

>>59485440
>didn't like vtubers
>watches Niji EN
Checks out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 06:37:30 No.59485922 Report

Quoted By: >>59487755

>>59478877
言う is simply to say aloud. Not a conversation or reply expected.
話す is to talk. Having a conversation, even if the other part is not actively replying. Having a set of topics to discuss about.
喋る(しゃべる) is to chat (verbal). Having a conversation but more relaxed, without a particular theme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 06:40:05 No.59486026 Report

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Sometimes I see the shit Japan puts out and I'm like damn that's kinda cringe but also I want my country to be cringe too
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-02-08/2nd-lucky-star-study-book-teaches-organic-chemistry

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 06:42:35 No.59486142 Report

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>>59477683
SUCCESS BREEDS JEALOUSY

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 07:19:23 No.59487552 Report

Quoted By: >>59488003 >>59488110

Why do japs suck so badly at English pronunciation?
I mean, I'm also an ESL, and my native language has different letter pronunciation rules compared to English, but when I speak English I try to pronounce words as intended in English language, not try to apply my native language pronunciation rules.
Whereas so many japs go "Ai lavu hamubargeru and hotodogu!" and praise each other for perfect English. Can't they hear the stark difference between proper English pronunciation and whatever they are pronouncing? Is the oral posture for Japanese language so different that it becomes too hard to break these habits when it comes to learning other languages?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 07:24:25 No.59487755 Report

Quoted By: >>59488801

>>59485922
fucking moon runes god damn

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 07:27:40 No.59487864 Report

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Japs are better than burgers
>willing to watch EN
>willing to learn the language just to watch EN

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 07:30:54 No.59488003 Report

Quoted By: >>59488179

>>59487552
>Can't they hear the stark difference between proper English pronunciation and whatever they are pronouncing?
They really can't.They are extremely isolated from actual English in their daily lives and get almost no practice exposure speaking it with native speakers. To become fluent in another language you either need to be exposed to it everyday or make a great personal effort to practice it on a daily basis and for them they're already worked to the bone in their daily lives so they have neither the incentive or the time to spend learning English

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 07:31:41 No.59488035 Report

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>>59485881
Top kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 07:34:01 No.59488110 Report

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>>59487552
Their phonetic system is too different from the english one.
Japanese is fully structured around moras (like syllables) where the first sound is a consonant and the second one a vowel. With a few exceptions.
Also, they have JUST five vowels (written and spoken) where english has a LOT of spoken vowel variations depending the surrounding consonants.
Car /kɑː(r)/
Cat /kæt/
Caw /kɔː/
They are wired that way and there's no easy way around.
If you try to say "I AM", that AM has to be converted to A-Mu with a soft u. It's always consonant+vowel, not the other way around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 07:35:44 No.59488179 Report

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>>59488003
>They really can't.They are extremely isolated from actual English in their daily lives and get almost no practice exposure speaking it with native speakers.
The only time I heard someone speaking English was some Peruvian or Arab idk in front of me and my brother who lived with his chink wife in Hong Kong back then. And even I have better pronunciation than some JP chuubas who have constant exposure to EN chuubas. Just learn alphabet, basic rules and start watching English/American movies with subs, don't know the word? Google it.
I started learning English by watching videos of Reckful and Soda on YouTube. Although I knew basic rules because of School and College.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 07:52:24 No.59488801 Report

Quoted By: >>59489071

>>59487755
>say/talk/tell
As an ESL I have to tell you English is not any better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 07:59:38 No.59489071 Report

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>>59488801
>As an ESL
>giving advice on English
Truly the state of /vt/, living in mudhuts and pagpag diving!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 08:01:55 No.59489158 Report

Quoted By: >>59489268

>>59452799
>not the other way around
i would legit buy a japanese version of this with korone and whoever else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 08:04:57 No.59489268 Report

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>>59489158
Well it's not for you

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Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 08:33:00 No.59490123 Report

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>>59452799
USA
USA
USA

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 08:33:34 No.59490142 Report

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>>59454100
What reps routine did you follow? Was it a guide found somewhere here?
How long?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 09:01:53 No.59490907 Report

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>>59452799
日本人だけどこれはbased

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Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 09:33:01 No.59491914 Report

Quoted By: >>59492124

>>59452799
in a different world we could have had this collab

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 09:38:18 No.59492033 Report

Quoted By: >>59493029

>>59453423
It's satisfying seeing nipanons feel what it's like to be treated as just an overseas novelty to a chuuba. I don't want to be kaigainiki I want to be a viewer, hope all the JP EN fans feel this suffering.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 09:42:11 No.59492124 Report

Quoted By: >>59492719 >>59493102

>>59491914
I actually thought that Claire-sensei vtuber was related to her
Also it's probably been 4 years already but I'm still wondering how Veibae (pre-Vshojo) became popular among Japanese viewers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 10:06:00 No.59492719 Report

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>>59492124
ah...
the whore of babylon (forma originál)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 10:19:16 No.59493029 Report

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>>59492033
Based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 10:22:41 No.59493102 Report

Quoted By: >>59495207

>>59492124
Probably the good ol classic
>whore: :(
>whore from a different culture and a language you don't speak so you can pretend they are actually secretly purer: :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 10:27:04 No.59493204 Report

Quoted By: >>59493269

>>59452799
It's not 2020 anymore, japs stopped caring about EN long time ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 10:30:00 No.59493269 Report

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>>59493204
Baunigs tell a different story

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 10:31:22 No.59493311 Report

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>>59452799
worth it for fwmc alone

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 10:45:23 No.59493644 Report

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>>59467712
is good even if they dont, it is a good way to deindoctrinate themselves from hollywood bullshit, they still live at the 80s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Sep 2023 11:33:03 No.59495207 Report

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>>59493102
>whore from a different culture and a language you don't speak so you can pretend they are actually secretly purer: :)
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