>>17579335>free will doesn't exist>but our choice isn't predetermined because... because it just isn't, okay?! baka!What a silly thing to say. You either believe in determinism or you don't. And yes, OP, what you're espousing is de facto determinism. You don't get to chop off the logical conclusion of an argument and pretend it isn't there. If our input and output is determined causally, then so too is the consequence of our output, and so on and so forth. "Predeterminism is STOOPID because people take that to believe that they can't be held accountable for their actions," is itself a STOOPID statement, because you're still thinking from a limited and subjective perspective. You're trying to invalidate a statement of objectivity with that of subjectivity, a "what is" with a "what ought to be". The viewpoint that determinism = I can do whatever I want without consequences is also an attempt at forcing a "what ought to be" upon the world and is simply not true. Consequences will follow from your actions regardless.
I myself believe that the universe is predetermined, and acknowledge even that in a sense no one is accountable- people are the way they are because that's the way they were always going to be- but yet I understand that, if society is to function, people must be held accountable anyways. If society goes down a road where no one is held accountable, it will destroy itself, and that will simply be that.
Also, even though I ascribe to causal determinism and believe free will to be an illusion, I myself must also act as if I had "free will" even if I don't, simply because I am an agent that is only capable of perceiving the whole of time one slice or frame at any given moment and cannot see the future. So must we all. Believe it, deny it, whether your fault or no, we all will still exist and experience reality in the same way regardless. Everything else is merely academic.
