>>17128988All those wordy wall 'o' text copes come down to one argument.
>The universe exists so god must have created it.So where did god come from then? If you say "God has always existed" then you can just as easily say "The universe has always existed".
If you say "It is not for us mere mortals to know how god came into existence" then you can just as easily say "It is not for us mere mortals to know how the universe came into existence"
If you say "god created himself from nothing", then you can just as easily say "The universe created itself from nothing".