>>318958most beers are not that great, but i have to say, good, high quality genuine belgian beers are delicious. Trippels, dubbels, saisons, etc, are the best beers imo, that hoppy hipster shit is trash, and american piss style beers are okay i suppose on a hot day, but thats about it. And you are correct, if you actually want to get drunk, even with the 8+% belgians, you do have to drink a considerable amount of ounces to feel the alchohol(im 6'3 200 pounds so mb a bit more for me), but that amount leads to many trips to the bathroom. Wine is the master race, for ez casual drinking, a good pinot noir is the best imo, and, if youre an alcoholic, you can get a decent deal on boxed pinot noir from bota box for like $20 for 3 liters. Usually lasts me 2 good days of drinking. That, and the other variety of reds can be great with food, cabernets with red meats, merlot or malbec with lighter fair, but slugging back bota box pinot noir, which honestly isnt a bad wine at all, is my go to drink of choice.
