>>7633350I had an experience on ketamine where I had reached their plane. Although at the time I didn't know what they were. I was there with them absorbing knowledge and having a great time until they suddenly removed me. Their explanation for doing so was communicated to me by an instant understanding that I had cheated by using a chemical that did not require any discipline to reach their plane. I don't understand why this doesn't happen to the people that Alex references in this interview. Perhaps they have also developed deep meditative skills used in combination with the chemicals he mentioned.
