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Explain me genetics - of the whites

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:30:15 No.10332989 View View Reply Original Report

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What does this map means, in blue the whites (europeans), right?
So it goes from Finland to Sweden, to South Italy.
How do they measure genetic proximity, i've read it's principal component analysis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:32:31 No.10332990 Report

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>>10332989
>no source
>circle conveniently puts Jews outside circle
>groups inside circle even less "white" than Jews
Lol, /pol/ science is hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:34:32 No.10332991 Report

Quoted By: >>10332995 >>10333060

This is a map of genetic distance. Note that this is not necessarily common ancestry, there are some historical coincidences. Different ancestries pull sample groups in different directions, which sometimes ends up in two groups on top of each other despite very different ancestry. Turks and Georgians are a good example. The pre-Turkic Anatolians were more South from Georgians but the Mongoloid ancestry pulled them North to Georgians despite us not having Mongoloid blood. I assume there are similar outliers elsewhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:34:48 No.10332992 Report

Quoted By: >>10333013

>>10332989
who the fuck cares about some egghead data? fucking nerd

But I'm a nice guy so I'm gonna let you in a little secret: real white people simply know who else is a white person, we just know
simple as

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:35:03 No.10332993 Report

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>>10332989
IIRC it's some eigenvalue black magic.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:37:18 No.10332994 Report

Quoted By: >>10332997 >>10333053

>>10332990
Source: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/877290/do-you-know-how-to-get-this-program-to-work

It seems it is from a gigant sampling of genetics in the world.
if the groups are inside of it it mens they are whiter i guess.
Some other anon posted this too, explain a bit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:41:01 No.10332995 Report

Quoted By: >>10333000

>>10332991
So you are asians not turks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:41:34 No.10332996 Report

Quoted By: >>10332998

>>10332989
this is not even a PCA done directly on SNP data but done on Eurogenes Ksomething, so it's not really top notch to assess distances, but that's a quintessential geometric problem of any two dimensional projection of multidimensional data(in case of population genetics, we are typically talking about discrete ~650000 dimensional or even 1240000 dimensional vectors) and you are trying to fit them on a neat two dimensional plane

in terms of topology though it's fine, west eurasian genetic diversity very neatly reflects geography, with a MENA cline and an European cline both running west-east and separated by the mediterranean and the caucasus, and the two appendages of Europe, Italy and Greece, genetically closing the distance with MENA, you can see it in the picture itself

you can say they are a decent proxy of distance, at least to get an idea, but not a 1to1 reflection, and most importantly, two dots that are close or overlap may still represent different populations

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:42:37 No.10332997 Report

Quoted By: >>10332999 >>10333100

>>10332994
If you are genuinely curious, go look at the actual study. It doesn't make that claim at all.

A common trend to /pol/ science is presenting a "sciency" looking image and drawing a false conclusion from it hoping the reader is too scientifically illiterate to realize their claim is bs.

Basically it just goes: "study finds correlation in phenotype marker X to living in England in 12,000 BCE." and /pol/ tards grab that and infer "phenotype marker X means being white, the more you have, the whiter you are!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:45:34 No.10332998 Report

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>>10332996
So that eurogenes is not done on SNP data? it's done on what friendo?
or post some that shows

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:48:26 No.10332999 Report

Quoted By: >>10333001

>>10332997
>go look at the actual study. It doesn't make that claim at all.

What Claim? and what study?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:52:38 No.10333000 Report

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>>10332995
Asians is not a genetic cluster name. Georgians are in the Caucasian or Caucasian-Iranian cluster, depending on nomenclature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:53:57 No.10333001 Report

Quoted By: >>10333002

>>10332999
Sigh, you post a link with reference to a study. Search for the actual study. The claim presented is that the study provides foundational work and a valid assessment for "white"-ness. It doesn't.

If you're just a memeflag troll, have a good day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:55:33 No.10333002 Report

Quoted By: >>10333003

>>10333001
wtf?
why are you mad at me? the genetic plot is not fake. It's real. Europeans are not white for yout? i don´t understand you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:56:50 No.10333003 Report

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>>10333002
>the genetic plot is not fake
Tell me what you think the "genetic plot" means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:57:54 No.10333004 Report

Quoted By: >>10333006

>>10332990
It's not /pol/ science you dipshit, it's k15 eurogene genetic PSA plot. If you're too retarded to read a PSA map then maybe you shouldn't be posting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 18:58:24 No.10333005 Report

Quoted By: >>10333006

>>10333003
From what i can understand is genetic closeness between populations

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:01:35 No.10333006 Report

Quoted By: >>10333008

>>10333004
>/pol/ science is the plot!!!
/pol/ science is the interpretation.

>>10333005
And what metric is the study using to assert this claim? Where in the study do they explain what they are plotting and what are they trying to determine? What conclusions do they make? That's how basic science works. Don't just blindly accept what idiots on /pol/ are telling you. Go find the actual study and read it. Don't let idiots with an obvious agenda tell you what to think. That's how you end up as dumb as them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:02:08 No.10333007 Report

Quoted By: >>10333009

>>10332998
what I'm saying is that it is a PCA done on the results of an admixture type run rather than directly on SNPs, the latter will definitely be done on SNP data
SNPs -> Eurogenes K36 -> PCA in OP instead of SNPs -> PCA(computed with e.g smartpca or plink)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:07:24 No.10333008 Report

Quoted By: >>10333010

>>10333006
The plot is self explanatory, it's meant to show genetic clustering on a 2 vector system. The closer two points are the greater genetic overlap. What exactly do you claim OP interpreted incorrectly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:07:39 No.10333009 Report

Quoted By: >>10333017

>>10333007
So, whats your point? a SNP direct pca would give differnt results from an admixture pca?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:09:35 No.10333010 Report

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>>10333008
>no no no don't look up the study
>it says what i'm telling you
>trust me
>we can say funny maymays XD
Lol. Let the guy go find the actual study. It doesn't make any claims about a classification for whiteness or cutoffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:10:47 No.10333011 Report

Quoted By: >>10333014

>>10332989
It's a kike study, don't believe it. If you are not blond/blue eyed you are not native European and have African admixture. Simple as

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:11:08 No.10333012 Report

Quoted By: >>10333015

>>10333010
I can´t understand you seriously. Do you think europeans are not white?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:11:42 No.10333013 Report

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>>10332992
Retarded seeing how the Nazis had jews and slavs in the party.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:11:43 No.10333014 Report

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>>10333011
No jokes please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:12:50 No.10333015 Report

Quoted By: >>10333020 >>10333025

>>10333012
White isn't a hard, data driven definition. Europeans are going to be white more often than not. Depending who you asked and during what time frame, the circle of who is "white" will vary wildly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:13:00 No.10333016 Report

Quoted By: >>10333019

>>10333010
Dude are you literally so retarded that you've never heard of PCA plots? These plots are done by GEDMatch a genetic testing company.

Here is a 3 vector plot of the data.

https://chart-studio.plotly.com/~PortalAntropologiczny/10.embed

Just because you're ignorant in terms of genetics doesn't mean the data is fake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:15:00 No.10333017 Report

Quoted By: >>10333020

>>10333009
it's just not as direct, in a sense you are already losing some information along the way after the output of the clustering algorithm and you are basically reprocessing the latter, while doing the PCA directly on the full data technically starts will all the information, so to speak
in practice though if the admixture run is sensible and is highly dimensional enough e.g 36, at least the topology should correspond, and indeed it does, because after all admixture is what has the most important role in such case, rather than genetic drift, and most west Eurasian genetic variation is the product of admixture of a rather small number of important source populations
as I remarked the problem is realistic distances not so much topology, but that even with a direct PCA isn't going to disappear, you simply cannot completely summarize such a complex matter into two dimensions, some nuance and care is necessary

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:15:30 No.10333018 Report

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>>10332990

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:16:32 No.10333019 Report

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>>10333016
>dude are you retarded!?!?
You're the one extrapolating data beyond its intent. Blatantly so. You know what you're doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:18:33 No.10333020 Report

Quoted By: >>10333022 >>10333027

>>10333017
So show me a map that you like of those you claim are better.

>>10333015
vary? only if the ethnicities disappear

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:20:22 No.10333021 Report

Quoted By: >>10333024

>>10333010
The classification comes from the clustering. His interpretation of the plot itself is correct. If you want to draw on your own clustering feel free but the categorization isn't particularly wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:20:45 No.10333022 Report

Quoted By: >>10333026

>>10333020
Go look up progression of what was considered white over time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:21:21 No.10333023 Report

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>>10332989
Mavro Orbini

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:21:47 No.10333024 Report

Quoted By: >>10333028

>>10333021
>his interpretation is correct
Why then does a peer reviewed and published study not assert that claim? Seems like a waste of a paper if it's so obvious. You should just cite it and make a paper with your discovery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:22:33 No.10333025 Report

Quoted By: >>10333030

>>10332990
>>10333010
>no actual argument
>you are wrong, i am right
>Jews are „whiter“ than *insert european nation here*
>“whiteness“
Eat shit babydicksucker. I can smell you all the way from the alps, despite my nose being 1/3rd of yours.

>>10333015
> the circle of who is "white" will vary wildly.
Jews love to muddy the waters by making claims like these, often they will follow up that because of exactly this there is no such thing as „white“ or „european“. Very typical for these genocidal schizofreaks. You are pure filth.

>>10333019
This is exactly what it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:22:50 No.10333026 Report

Quoted By: >>10333030

>>10333022
We are talking about genetics here, not what middle ages considered anyting

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:23:08 No.10333027 Report

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>>10333020
any of the PCAs you can see in academic studies are of this kind i.e done directly on data using typically smartpca e.g pic related
I didn't say they are much better, the problem I mentioned persists nevertheless, it's just more sensible to process data directly rather than reprocess the output of another algorithm

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:23:25 No.10333028 Report

Quoted By: >>10333030

>>10333024
Why does it need to? It asserts the genetic overlap and distances of the plot. That is what OP based his claim on. Anyone can clearly see clustering. I don't need a paper to tell me what's obvious from the plot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:23:42 No.10333029 Report

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>>10333027
well, almost all to be precise, I've seen some f4 based PCAs too in some of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:24:33 No.10333030 Report

Quoted By: >>10333033 >>10333104

>>10333025
>no no no don't go read the actual study
>it makes the claims im saying, trust me!

>>10333026
You're losing your mask.

>>10333028
Why is the circle for the clustering ended at that distance and why is that an appropriate cutoff?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:26:10 No.10333031 Report

Quoted By: >>10333037

>>10333027
So they are even worse?

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:26:42 No.10333032 Report

Quoted By: >>10333084 >>10333120

>Geneticist has been summoned

So ... what is zhe issue here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:28:40 No.10333033 Report

Quoted By: >>10333035 >>10333076

>>10333030
Because he drew a circle to draw attention to the clustering. Lol. I already told you you're free to draw your own clusters, it doesn't change what's obvious. Try a bean shape maybe you'll feel better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:29:49 No.10333034 Report

Quoted By: >>10333036

>>10333019
>extrapolating data beyond its intent
This is literally its intent, Eurogene measures genetic distance. Listen kid if you don't know what you're talking about why don't you just fuck off or get educated. You have no argument so you're just complaining for the sake of complaining looking like a idiot to everyone.

You can read more about Eurogene here

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:31:04 No.10333035 Report

Quoted By: >>10333038

>>10333033
>the circle ends right at the Jew zone but far enough out to include southern Italy to make it easier to see the clustering :^)
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:31:42 No.10333036 Report

Quoted By: >>10333041

>>10333034
thanks for the input

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:31:48 No.10333037 Report

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>>10333031
wouldn't say that, my point is simple: do not take distances in these two dimensional plots too too seriously, stick to the topology
also, forgot to mention, projected samples like ancient ones in many of these suffer from other problems as well and the distances in their cases should be trusted even less, pic related neatly explains the issue of projection bias, whose TL; DR is that ancients typically appear closer to the center of the plot than they really are when they are projected
unfortunately many even recent studies didn't get the memo and are still projecting ancients on modern west Eurasian variation rather than including them in the PCA, it may have been sensible 10 years ago when ancient samples could be counted on your hands, not today

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:34:00 No.10333038 Report

Quoted By: >>10333040

>>10333035
Like I said, apply your own cluster algo and paremeters. Its clear as you go closer to the Mediterraneans distance stretches. You can make a bean shape and exclude more. Jews clearly aren't as close to Europeans as other Europeans. Also stupidly obvious. I fail to see what point you're trying to make. But yea. Definitely LOL at how retarded you're being.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:34:58 No.10333039 Report

Quoted By: >>10333042

>>10333037
So for example germans would be with asians and arabs? if not counting it too seriously? blacks would be the same as europeans on distance? how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:37:04 No.10333040 Report

Quoted By: >>10333043 >>10333045 >>10333108

>>10333038
>put the southern Italians into the circle
>but the jews are out the circle
>despite being closer than some in the inner cluster
The point is still the same: over extrapolation of the genetic distance of the location of interest to non-supported claims. It's not that hard. The data itself is fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:37:09 No.10333041 Report

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>>10333036

Can recommend Eurogene too, good source. Also, genetic distance always requires you to set a "root" manually ... for this you usually use ancient genomes from a source that has been reliably confirmed to be from a certain progenitor population ... however, this can sometimes introduce flaws as it is a bit arbitrary to begin with and as your ancient genome might have been more mixed than you assume.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:39:14 No.10333042 Report

Quoted By: >>10333044

>>10333039
no, that would break the topology completely, that usually doesn't happen, but take for example borderline cases e.g Cretans, you can't really trust these PCAs 100% to say that they are slightly closer to e.g Germans compared to Syrians, they just aren't powerful enough for such a precise statement, but sure as shit you'll never find a west Eurasian specific PCA with e.g Finns overlapping with Egyptians

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:40:39 No.10333043 Report

Quoted By: >>10333049

>>10333040
I understand you don't like the circle. Draw your own. It clearly isn't a very mathematically rigorous clustering. But the interpretation and the source plot are correct. You're dislike of the circle doesn't disqualify the plot or the obvious clustering of Europeans. His claim of there being a European cluster is still true. How does not liking A singular clustering disqualify the existence of ANY clustering? That's my counter point. His claim of there being SOME cluster is still correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:40:52 No.10333044 Report

Quoted By: >>10333046 >>10333048

>>10333042
But the distance it's what matters, you say to don´t look to the distances, then you talk about break the topology

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:42:49 No.10333045 Report

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>>10333040
This is the original plot, it's meant for people to conduct their own k15 test (via GEDMatch or equivalent provider) and then plot their position from the calculated vectors. The circle is something added.

It's also quiet obvious Ashkenazi Jews are related to south Italian as they are generally a mix of Italian and ancient Semitics. This however doesn't change the fact that Europeans cluster with each other and have their own distinct genetics separate from the world, as all other populations do as well.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:45:40 No.10333046 Report

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>>10333044

Distance depends on the root population you set for the analysis run. Therefore, it only tells you a genetic "distance" in relation to the source population you have handpicked. Clustering and general gradients are therefore more interesting than the dimensionless distance value if you want to make general assumptions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:45:48 No.10333047 Report

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>>10333045
I've read somewhere that they received european genes because convertions
, that's why they become closer to europeans

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:45:53 No.10333048 Report

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>>10333044
I said to not take the distances <<per se>> too seriously, to look rather at the shape and position e.g topology. If two populations are really close, a good plot will have them somewhat close. That's what preserving topology means.
I mean, "genetic distance" per se isn't even an entirely precise statement, the closest thing would be Fst but even that can be computed in different ways and suffers from problems as well.
Just don't get too worked up on the borderline cases or on where to place a boundary like in OP's picture

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:46:43 No.10333049 Report

Quoted By: >>10333050 >>10333051 >>10333052 >>10333111

>>10333043
>you don't like the circle
That's the entire point of this discussion in the first place... The data set - the clustering for the genomic sequence - is fine. The circle is the agenda.

>>10333045
>the circle is something added
Yes. That's what we've been discussing. The entire basis of the discussion is: the circle is added to justify a false notion the data does not assert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:48:56 No.10333050 Report

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>>10333049
i didn´t made him....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:50:17 No.10333051 Report

Quoted By: >>10333054

>>10333049
>the circle is added to justify a false notion the data does not assert
The data does assert the existence of a European cluster which is the entire point OP was making. The bounds of this cluster are something up for interpretation but eventually some sort of cut off needs to be made. Personally i would suggest a tier approach, from the center of mass extend outwards on a tier basis. There are several PCA plots that take this approach, i'll see if i can find them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:50:46 No.10333052 Report

Quoted By: >>10333054

>>10333049
That's just semantics tho. Nobody is arguing Italians are as close to nordics as they are Jews. You're putting words in OPs mouth at this point. The only thing I can assume given the lack of info on how he determined the cluster is wanting to bring attention to there simply being one. A European cluster exists, and OP calls that "white". You don't want to include Italians due to larger distance, fine by you. Nothing OP said in his text is wrong tho so this debate is really pointless. How about you apply a better clustering and submit the image. That'll be more helpful than w/e else it is you think you're contributing here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:53:33 No.10333053 Report

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And what's this one FST genetic plot>>10332994
i've searched on wikipedia. buh meh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:53:35 No.10333054 Report

Quoted By: >>10333057 >>10333058 >>10333069 >>10333088

>>10333051
>the bounds are up for interpretation
Yes. That's why I called out the bounds as agenda driven rather than data driven.

>>10333052
It's not semantics. The circle is added for a purpose of intentionally creating a distinction between "in" and "out". I'm not proposing "get a better cluster," I proposed simply that the agenda added to the data is obvious and should be discarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:54:26 No.10333055 Report

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>>10333046
In a way, however the data is a web with defined distances. The location of the root population is irrelevant since all preceding points are plotted in reference to it. If you start with a German reference population you will end up with a similar looking plot if you start from a Turkish population. Only thing shifted will be the axis.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:55:22 No.10333056 Report

Quoted By: >>10333059

>>10333010
Outed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:55:28 No.10333057 Report

Quoted By: >>10333059

>>10333054
But it shouldn't. A cluster exists there. You can delete the circle but that doesn't change. You can draw a bean and that doesn't change. The "agenda" as you do call it will always be there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:55:44 No.10333058 Report

Quoted By: >>10333059

>>10333054
I understand what you say. but at the same time. If it shows european populations and geography or genes. europeans are whites right? they are close you don´t need to be mad on that
My point was not even the questioning of it but how it works the plot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 19:58:57 No.10333059 Report

Quoted By: >>10333062

>>10333056
>haha you're a jew because you don't like that science that could easily advance personalized medicine is being manipulated to convince idiots to be idiotic
K

>>10333057
>deleting the circle doesn't change things
It does. 100%. It changes the data from "here is a notable genetic cluster that we can use for things like personalized medicine" to "here is who is white." It's dishonest, a waste of the data, and foolish at its baseline.

>>10333058
>It shows X is white and Y is not
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:01:11 No.10333060 Report

Quoted By: >>10333061

>>10332991
This is very true!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:03:34 No.10333061 Report

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>>10333060
greeks are like italians

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:04:48 No.10333062 Report

Quoted By: >>10333064

>>10333059
>It shows X is white and Y is not

So for you non europeans are whites? that's it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:06:05 No.10333063 Report

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>>10332989
Genetic variation is continuous clinal. There's no actual scientific basis for the circle or the colors. You just draw or assign them randomly wherever you feel like.
Ignore the copers on here arguing otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:06:40 No.10333064 Report

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>>10333062
Stop pretending to be a neutral party, faggot.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:06:59 No.10333065 Report

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>>10332989
>What does this map means
Nothing. All spaniards or portuguese cannot have the same set of genes within their nationalities (cities Lviv and Smolensk? seriously?) and genes don't directly correlate with phenotypes. Pic related are tatar, on your map "Tatar" ethnicity is outside the "white" circle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:09:53 No.10333066 Report

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>>10333065
We focus too much on distance instead of phenotype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:09:53 No.10333067 Report

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>>10333064
you are delirious

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:11:04 No.10333068 Report

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>>10332990
>>groups inside circle even less "white" than Jews
jews arent white moron there kind didnt originate in europe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:11:23 No.10333069 Report

Quoted By: >>10333073

>>10333054
Like i said you have to make the call somewhere since a cluster does exist. So where would you make the cut off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:11:33 No.10333070 Report

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>>10333065
It's an average of samples, from what i can understand all natives from x country will be close to the dots

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:17:05 No.10333071 Report

Quoted By: >>10333113

>this thread

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:17:11 No.10333072 Report

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>>10333066
>phenotype
That would be even more harder. Where would those 2 brits fit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:18:12 No.10333073 Report

Quoted By: >>10333075

>>10333069
Probably somewhere north of Roman Empire proper extended into the short haired Gaul territory. Simple logic dictates the areas south of this arbitrary cutoff would be far more "mixed" than anything north of that line beyond the era of Rome. The trade routes of Carthage by default would leave uncountable bastard children scattered throughout the entire Mediterranean and Roman policy would force meetings of genetic lines of conscripted individuals of provincial lands to other areas by definition.

But I also hardly care about what people want to call themselves. People who care about race are just coping. Ethnicity matters far more and culture even more than that. I have far more in common with my 3rd generation Somali neighbors than I do with some random immigrant from the same area of Germany I trace to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:19:51 No.10333074 Report

Quoted By:

>>10332989
>palestinians are closer to jordanians than with not-europeans jews

There goes the palestinian narrative about they being native hebrews who converted to christianism and later to Islam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:20:24 No.10333075 Report

Quoted By: >>10333077

>>10333073
>I have far more in common with my 3rd generation Somali neighbors than I do with some random immigrant from the same area of Germany I trace to.
Your 3rd generation somali neighbors don't agree and fucking hate you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:21:09 No.10333076 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333033
>try a bean shape maybe you'll feel better
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:22:50 No.10333077 Report

Quoted By: >>10333079

>>10333075
And I should trust some unkempt virgin on the internet over the fact that our families are good friends because?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:23:13 No.10333078 Report

Quoted By: >>10333080 >>10333081 >>10333090

>>10332990

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:23:55 No.10333079 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333077
kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:25:35 No.10333080 Report

Quoted By: >>10333083

>>10333078
I would end the line after N. italian. Historically N.Italians are closer to germans, arent they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:25:59 No.10333081 Report

Quoted By: >>10333085 >>10333105

>>10333078
I'd probably call that circle closer to classic white than the OG one, ya. But that's also just a historical reference based guess.

France is a hard one given there's so much of French history involving respected colonial color'd peoples moving to France proper and having no issues. And it also depends when you want to go off of for these ethnic groups in time. 200 AD Germany is not the same peoples as 1400 AD Germans by a good margin.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:26:14 No.10333082 Report

Quoted By: >>10333086

>>10333013
>Nazis had jews
Yes, that's kind of hypocritical...
>and slavs in the party.
But what is this supposed to mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:27:00 No.10333083 Report

Quoted By: >>10333089

>>10333080
Depends when you want to check. Northern Italians before Rome were a far different group than after.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:27:02 No.10333084 Report

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>>10333032
who is and isnt white, as usual

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:33:14 No.10333085 Report

Quoted By: >>10333087

>>10333081
I didn't look at the ethnicities at all I just drew a circle around the shape I would most consider a cluster. I didn't even realise that France wasn't in there. I probably would put France in there if I was doing it contentiously. I do think that part of the reason people don't take ethnic grouping seriously even though ethnicities clearly group is because people create retarded groups rather than just drawing circles around things. Fuck the "more deviation within than between" argument really rustles my jimmies though its so fucking autistic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:40:56 No.10333086 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333082
>>10333082
He looks drunk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:42:04 No.10333087 Report

Quoted By: >>10333092

>>10333085
Im just sad that we literally have everything we need to create utopia and almost have the science for everyone to have perfect health and idiots want to burn it all down because they got brainwashed into thinking it's better to just not play nice and not be a dick.

Feelsbad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:42:04 No.10333088 Report

Quoted By: >>10333090

>>10333054
Who is closer to Arabs you mongoloid, The Kikes or the Wops? Obviously the PCA map shows that Kikes are closer and that is why they are outside the white cluster. Retarded faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:43:08 No.10333089 Report

Quoted By: >>10333091

>>10333083
How so? Even in this modern study they are far away from S.Italians

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:44:02 No.10333090 Report

Quoted By: >>10333093

>>10333088
>ignore the massive distances in the white circle >>10333078 What's wrong with this circle? Seems far tighter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:46:21 No.10333091 Report

Quoted By: >>10333102

>>10333089
Go to the source data, it's all in reference to ancient groups per the blog. Not to pre vs. post major event or anything like that. Just think about how much more interchange would occur at various milestones of history is all I'm saying. And with that interchange comes further spread of that genomic variance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:47:00 No.10333092 Report

Quoted By: >>10333094

>>10333087
a utopia would be hell because it wouldn't give people the feeling of accomplishment that is programmed in us when we overcome adversity. struggle is what makes us human fren.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:47:06 No.10333093 Report

Quoted By: >>10333094

>>10333090
Fine Asshole, let's use this one that shows a continuum from east to southern Europe then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:49:34 No.10333094 Report

Quoted By: >>10333097 >>10333103

>>10333092
I'd still have plenty of things to overcome and try achieve. I work a specialized job, but I want to try live in the woods, or be a carpenter, or do a million other things that I can't. I'd love that freedom.

>>10333093
>I made this one with my feelings
Going right up on the fridge, sweetie <3

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:51:23 No.10333095 Report

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>>10332989
It says Anglos are the whitest

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:52:33 No.10333096 Report

Quoted By: >>10333139

Judging from the graph Sardinians are the most extreme European.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:52:36 No.10333097 Report

Quoted By: >>10333098 >>10333112

>>10333094
What about this one that shows a very clear continuum with Jews and turks being an almost perfect dividing line between white and not white with only a few spaniards being the exception and allowing us to classify some Lebanese as White. Also that one that I slightly edited was from 23 and me you retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:55:05 No.10333098 Report

Quoted By: >>10333101 >>10333106

>>10333097
You'd need to provide me the actual metrics on what that's trying to show. I'd also not let that line dip down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:56:33 No.10333099 Report

Quoted By:

>>10332990
Haha look at this fucker kvetch like a lil bitch, the graph is SPOT ON

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:58:49 No.10333100 Report

Quoted By:

>>10332997
Kvetchodrome

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 20:59:46 No.10333101 Report

Quoted By: >>10333109

>>10333098
It was comparing Levantine (Lebanese, Jew, Syrian), Arab, and European haplotypes to each other if I remember correctly.
this is the study. Some show a distinction between Levantine and Euro, but generally he have a very clear European white and Arabian-Jewish non white https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:00:13 No.10333102 Report

Quoted By: >>10333109

>>10333091
>Just think about how much more interchange would occur at various milestones of history is all I'm saying.

I have no problem in understanding this, i agree. But, while the possibility makes sense, is there actual data showing that today N.Italians are a far away group from the white cluster, than compared to what they used to be?

My red circle would probably include N.italians, portuguese and spaniah people.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:00:54 No.10333103 Report

Quoted By: >>10333109

>>10333094
Well to a degree I agree with you but it really does depend. I have no doubt that if he had won, Hitler would have created a utopia for those he deemed worthy of it, its just the fear of the powerful deeming you unworthy. I'm sure you could create a utopia in the real world but only a limited one, I disagree with the idea that we have the technology or resources to create a world wide utopia, and even then, not everyone should be in it. What about child rapists, do they deserve to live in utopia?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:02:00 No.10333104 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333030
Shut up kike scum, your fictitious jew narratives HAVE NO POWER HERE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:02:15 No.10333105 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333081
Don't call the us white then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:03:30 No.10333106 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333098
In all honesty I trust the PCA map I used because it was comparing the Genomes of these groups with consistently Jews being closer to the MENA that whites, even closer to MENA than Lebanese people some times

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:04:04 No.10333107 Report

Quoted By:

>>10332989
I'm even less white than Sephardic jews
Do I get to impregnate blonde women now?
I want my mandated blonde Aryan baby incubator now!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:04:13 No.10333108 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333040
Boohoohoo

Aaaaaaa boohoohoo
Muh jews white too waaaaaah

BTFO + GTFO KIKE SHILL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:05:21 No.10333109 Report

Quoted By: >>10333110 >>10333116

>>10333101
The study claims recent structuring by culture dating prior to any real civilization development. Which to me implies its a poor criteria for "white" distinction. It's talking as far back as 15,000 years ago.

>>10333102
No idea. I'm just guessing based on my understanding of that areas history.

>>10333103
>hitler would've created utopia
Bro, just no. I'm sorry, but just no.
>do child rapists deserve utopia
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:06:27 No.10333110 Report

Quoted By: >>10333115

>>10333109
Jew confirmed

Also it compares MODERN DNA as well you monkey, the PCA map I used is based on Modern DNA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:06:29 No.10333111 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333049
>the circle is added to justify a false notion the data does not assert.
Pack your bags for israel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:06:37 No.10333112 Report

Quoted By: >>10333114

>>10333097
Seems like two gypsies took a dna test in France.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:06:43 No.10333113 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333071
You nailed it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:08:21 No.10333114 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333112
Yeah lmao, probably

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:08:51 No.10333115 Report

Quoted By: >>10333118

>>10333110
>Jew confirmed
Lol. The link you told me to follow says it's about identifying geographic features that caused isolation. Nothing else. So i'm confused why you're getting upset.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:08:58 No.10333116 Report

Quoted By: >>10333117

>>10333109
sure hitler would have created utopia, just for a very limited amount of people. the guy had a fetish for handsome, blond haired, blue eyed germans so I imagine would have tried to create the ideal conditions for them if he had won, therefore a definable man made "utopia" for a few thousand people
Im not your bro, at least we can agree on the last thing though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:11:25 No.10333117 Report

Quoted By: >>10333121

>>10333116
That implies the system would not have collapsed with his eventual demise / usurping / whatever / or any number of things that happen with such authoritarianism. Also we'd need to go absolutely theoretical regarding the German economy post-war. Way to much speculation and realistically Germany was never winning WW2, man.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:11:29 No.10333118 Report

Quoted By: >>10333119

>>10333115
YOU are getting upset, face it . You are an ALIEN, culturally , genetically and historically.

You are SOMEONE ELSE.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:12:34 No.10333119 Report

Quoted By: >>10333122 >>10333124

>>10333118
Do you want a (You) or something?

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:13:21 No.10333120 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333032

Can you explain PCAs and where they have weaknesses? Or maybe comment on the Vaush-Gariepy debate on population genetics and race

Also I emailed your protonmail like 8 months ago faggot you never responded

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:16:36 No.10333121 Report

Quoted By: >>10333123

>>10333117
Nah he could just keep taking wealth away from those he deemed unworthy or enslaved them to fund those he deemed worthy if he won, and killed anyone not willing to participate. The economy can work both with the carrot and the stick. I don't think you quite get that I am not proposing that Hitler would have ever created a "world utopia" only a very localised one. Oh and i'm sure it would have ended with his death, they couldn't have possibly won WW2 anyway, I am just stating that he would have created a localised utopia for a certain race of people.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:20:45 No.10333122 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333119
why are you so mad?

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:22:43 No.10333123 Report

Quoted By: >>10333125

>>10333121
That just sounds like a pyramid scheme, lol. And I get what you're saying, but it was never going to reach what I'd call a utopia. At best a "golden age" for his chosen. Utopia to me implies more than that.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:23:57 No.10333124 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333119
Get out of kike shill, we will never accept you, you literally hate our guts.

And you keep fucking lying like a little bitch.
And the graph says you're not in the cirlcle.

These three points confirm you INDEED are NOT /one of us/. What else you want ? Get out.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:27:37 No.10333125 Report

Quoted By: >>10333127

>>10333123
well im glad we're on the same page and yeah, the entire 3rd Reich was an autistic pyramid scheme that achieved exactly the opposite of what it set out to achieve. If Hitler was thinking rationally about his goals, he wouldn't have chimed out and attacked a bunch of white countries killing tens of millions of Germans.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:28:58 No.10333126 Report

Quoted By: >>10333129 >>10333130 >>10333132

Is not such thing like "white" race like a whole.
Are massive genetic divisions in "europeans"

And ofcourse is not such thing like "europeans" either,. Are just very distants genetic ethnogroups who just share a similar religion, political system and land proximity.

Stop this multiculti bullcrap please.
the bullcrap stuff of "all da european subraces are connected and shieet"
That is just fake, cringe and gay.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:29:55 No.10333127 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333125
it looked pretty cool though aesthetically

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:30:21 No.10333128 Report

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>>10332989

>Eurocuck
>Brainlet that can't understand a simple eigenvector

Why are Europeans so much dumber than Americans?

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:37:34 No.10333129 Report

Quoted By: >>10333131 >>10333133 >>10333135

>>10333126
>Are massive genetic divisions in "europeans"

This is false.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:41:15 No.10333130 Report

Quoted By: >>10333131

>>10333126

Just check the football eurocup finals in 2004 between greece and portugal and compare thats ethnicities with the swedes or norwegians.

Is ok to be different, and is ok to remaing that way too.

If i move to live to swede or norway always gonna find myself living in a enemy zone or atleast living with a complete alien population.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:43:46 No.10333131 Report

Quoted By: >>10333134

>>10333130
They still would be closer to each other than they would be to any non european population, you can see for yourself,>>10333129
look how european populations are close compared with the rest of the races and continents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:55:40 No.10333132 Report

Quoted By: >>10333136

>>10333126
Europeans are genetically close to each other on a global scale.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 21:57:33 No.10333133 Report

Quoted By: >>10333135

>>10333129
Between races the diference is even bigger..

But that not mean that diferents groups in europe are somehow related in a significative way.

I feel the same lack of comfort when i cross in a area of argentina with a big bolivian, venezuelan or colombian population ( negroids, amerindians sambos and etc ) than when i cross on a very germanc city (bariloche) or a city with much slavs and german ppl like ( entre rios)

Big genetic gaps exists in races but in "sub races" too..
And btw even the word sub race is baloney.
Because the genetic diference between for example: some average southern european and some avg scandinavian is soo big that the word "sub race" is kinda extra.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:03:06 No.10333134 Report

Quoted By: >>10333137

>>10333131
I never denied that..
But because italians and spaniards are very distant with SSafricans or australians aboriginals... that not make spaniard or italians to be close to swedes or danes.
Or even close to british, germans,austrians,dutchs and etc

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:04:08 No.10333135 Report

Quoted By: >>10333140

>>10333133
Of course there are differences even inside a country and regions and cities of the same country (for example east and weste germany or south and north germany) there are differences, but in scale they are ridiculously small
>some average southern european and some avg scandinavian is soo big that the word "sub race" is kinda extra.
It's not 2 big, i've already showed you:>>10333129
it's indeed small.
And your comparison with argentina that is a multiracial country with europe it's odd

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:04:43 No.10333136 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333132
On a global scale "ONLY"

but they are still very far away.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:07:40 No.10333137 Report

Quoted By: >>10333138 >>10333141

>>10333134
You have no ideia how spaniards are close to germans. I mean really close

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:13:20 No.10333138 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333137
You forgot you're supposed to be playing someone without an agenda, lol. You're supposed to be "very unfamiliar" with all these silly claims.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:13:49 No.10333139 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333096
Sardinian here. I know the guy's family personally and they are not native sardinians, they have a lombard last name and are in fact of lombard ancestry. That guy is not representative of the average sardinian

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:15:47 No.10333140 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333135
I never compare argentina with europe.

I just say that if you pick some random guy from argentina of southern european heritage and some other random guy from argentina too but of northern european heritage the DNA diferences gonna be huge.

For example,.. i not related with carlos teves..( amerindian )
But in not related either with viggo mortensen.. ( some type of nord mutt )

If you compare thats two ppl with guys like messi ,ginobilli, scola, del potro, vilas and gabriela sabatini and etc you can see a huge ( visual and genetic diference with the first two examples )

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:22:03 No.10333141 Report

Quoted By: >>10333142

>>10333137
First.. spaniards are NOT close to germans in a visual or a genetic way.
Second.. please show flag.
Third i know the spaniard diaspora very well.
they look like me, and i not look german or have any german DNA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:27:00 No.10333142 Report

Quoted By: >>10333143

>>10333141
pol loves to think everyone 1 millimeter above the african continent is one big cluster of blonde haired blue eyed people and if they are not then they must be mixed with niggers.

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2020 22:38:51 No.10333143 Report

Quoted By:

>>10333142
Yes, you say it right.
The common sence on POL is ver low.
lol

Anyway,..... is UFC time soo, im out of POL.

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