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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 13:50:15 No.11259989 View View Reply Original Report

Its it paganism to pray to saints to pray to God on your behalf?

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 13:51:46 No.11259990 Report

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>>11259989
You're still a golem christcuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 13:54:28 No.11259991 Report

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>>11259989
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Always sage memeflag threads. Wed 09 Sep 2020 13:55:43 No.11259992 Report

Quoted By: >>11259996

>>11259989
No, but it's idolatry. Not that I really care.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 13:56:10 No.11259993 Report

Quoted By: >>11260068 >>11260070 >>11260089

so you're a protestant and don't like "mary worship"?

ok, here's a pasta just for you.

>"why do you worship mary"
catholics / orthodox don't do that, they ask mary to pray for them
jesus says
>"Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective."
-James 5:16

>"why make statues of her, aren't those idols"
images of mary and the saints are no differant from drawings or photos of your family members that you have at home. an idol is a false god, nobody is saying mary is a god

>"why do you bow down to it and kiss it"
it's a show of respect for those people, i can bow to your wife to kiss her hand, that does not mean i'm worshipping her

>"god says not to make images of things that are in heaven"
he also says to make golden statues of angels and put them on the arc of the covenant. also he says not to make any image of living things, 'any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below'. i don't see you objecting to drawings / statues / videos of animals. so clearly it's not the statue / image itself you have a problem with, it's the act of "worship"

>"sure, but i would object to those if they were being worshiped"
well mary and the saints are not being worshipped

part 1/2

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 13:56:43 No.11259994 Report

Quoted By: >>11260084

>"how so, don't you pray to them"
yes, if by pray you mean "ask" them

>"this is archaic speech, 'pray' doesn't mean that anymore"
maybe by your defitions, in bulgarian for example it still does. either way you are the one who is making up the meaning of words. if you want to use a definition of "pray" where it's "to god only" then sure, catholics / orthodox then do not "pray" to mary and the saints, but they do still ask them to pray for them, as jesus tells us to

>"but hold on, i don't ask my dead family members to pray for me, they're dead"
the saints (and mary) have miracles attributed to them, thus proving that god is listening to their prayers, if you don't believe the miracles that's up to you
but yes, if your family members are not cannonised as saints there'd be no reason to ask them to pray for you

>"but you do every act of worship, how is that not worship"
the act of worship is having faith / trust / belief that something is god
anything else is out of respect

>"aren't some of those icons / statues made from gold, that's just like the golden calf"
new jerusalem will be made of gold, there is nothing wrong with gold per se

>"jesus never specifically commanded this"
there's lots of things jesus didn't specifically command, that doesn't mean they're automatically bad

>"what about that necromancy stuff"
in the bible there are times the robes of jesus were touched and it healed people etc, in a similar way there are miracles attributed to items of saints. the power is not from the item itself / robes of jesus, it's from god by grace by virtue of the faith / trust a person has in god

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 13:57:36 No.11259995 Report

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>>11259989
imagine being a Christian and not understanding Jesus's central message that you don't need a mediator between you and god. The tearing of the curtain to the Holiest of Holys at the moment of Jesus's death symbolized this, and he talked about it frequently, but Catholics still pray to Mary and the Saints and use priests as intermediaries. Imagine

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 13:59:20 No.11259996 Report

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>>11259992
It's not

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:01:33 No.11259997 Report

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>>11259995
Priests are acting as Christ you idiot. If you really think Catholics pray to saints more than God you're just dumb, most Catholics I know have a favorite saint, but usually only pray to Jesus and Mary. I don't see how it's bad to honor people who died usually horrible deaths in the name of the faith, and the vast majority of saints were EUROPEAN.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:03:01 No.11259998 Report

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>>11259997
>only pray to Jesus and Mary
Why not just pray to Jesus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:09:55 No.11259999 Report

Quoted By: >>11260003 >>11260072 >>11260992

ONE MEDIATOR BEWEEN MAN AND GOD
GO INTO A CLOSET WHERE NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU
CALL NO MAN YOUR FATHER
MEN OF GOD MUST HAVE CHILDREN
DRESS LIKE A MAN
WOMEN REMAIN SILENT IN CHURCH
ECT ECT ECT
>but muh priest says
thats why theyre not even close to being christian. call em what you want. i prefer the term, nigger lovers in a dress

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Always sage memeflag threads. Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:10:09 No.11260000 Report

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>>11259996
>implying the church didn't distort the formers' message to the point of having nothing substantial in common
Good thing I don't really care, otherwise I'd be making fun of your ignorance.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:10:22 No.11260001 Report

Quoted By: >>11260004

>>11259997
Did Jesus stipulate penance that needs to be carried out in order to be forgiven the way that priests do? Pretty sure Jesus said that all is forgiven if you turn to God, don't need to recite rosaries and Hail Mary's for that. Don't let someone outside of yourself dictate how you need to come before God.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:13:21 No.11260002 Report

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>>11259997
>Priests are acting as Christ you idiot
Do you even hear yourself? What a putrid unholy abomination this is. What a sick horrific disgusting thing to say. I’ll pray for your forgiveness but it’s a longshot you’ll get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:15:02 No.11260003 Report

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>>11259999
>nigger lovers in a dress
racist protestants like that arent Christina either

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:21:31 No.11260004 Report

Quoted By: >>11260005

>>11260001
"Go to the priests, and wash as is prescribed"

Nobody is dictating, but the humble take advice. Nobody has ordered you to make confession, but The Lord gave his apostles power to forgive sin on his behalf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:31:15 No.11260005 Report

Quoted By: >>11260008

>>11260004
>The Lord gave his apostles power to forgive sin on his behalf
Does it make you feel good to tell lies
Does blasphemy against God really tickle your balls that much

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:33:47 No.11260006 Report

Quoted By: >>11260009 >>11260075

>>11259989
Is it paganism if you ask your friend to pray for you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:34:18 No.11260007 Report

Quoted By: >>11260008

>>11259997
>If you really think Catholics pray to saints more than God you're just dumb,
Why would Catholics pray to Godan?

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:37:15 No.11260008 Report

Quoted By: >>11260012

>>11260005
>He gave them power over unclean spirits
>Bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven, loose...

I don't have to lie.
>>11260007
Funny joke. You call your earthly father "Robert", too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:38:43 No.11260009 Report

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>>11260006
No but it’s unlikely that prayer will be answered. You don’t ask others to lobby God on your behalf, you man up and ask Him yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:39:13 No.11260010 Report

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>>11259997
Say that first sentence again, this time slowwlyy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:46:22 No.11260011 Report

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>>11259991
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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:47:34 No.11260012 Report

Quoted By: >>11260020 >>11260021

>>11260008
I can point to dozens of verses declaring Jesus Christ the sole arbiter of God’s forgiveness, not one verse to the contrary. Neither of the ones you referenced come close to insinuating that the local serial sex offender in a long robe and a Philistine headdress can possess that power.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:48:02 No.11260013 Report

Quoted By: >>11260016

>>11259997
>Priests are acting as Christ you idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:56:43 No.11260014 Report

Quoted By: >>11260019 >>11260023

I don't think it is wrong to ask saints to pray for us. Orthodoxy and Catholicism are the two haves of the original Church starred by the Apostles. Muhammad mistakenly thought Christians believed in a Trinity made up of the Father, Son, and Mary! This speaks volumes about how important Mary was seen in the Early Church, and how her intercession was viewed by Christians. Can we pray directly to God and never ask saints to intercede for us? Sure! But there is nothing wrong with asking for prayers too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:57:08 No.11260015 Report

Quoted By: >>11260022

>>11259989
No, but its idolatry and wont accomplish anything. Jesus Christ is the medium between you and God the father, no one else can do a single thing about any of your problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:57:53 No.11260016 Report

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>>11260013
Why do you think priests can only be males? Because Christ is male and Christ acts inside of the priest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:58:58 No.11260017 Report

Quoted By: >>11260079

Remember that Jesus is both fully God and fully human. Humans have special relationships with their mothers that no one else can replicate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:59:22 No.11260018 Report

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>>11259989
Anon, can you pray for me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:59:29 No.11260019 Report

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>>11260014
started by*

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:59:33 No.11260020 Report

Quoted By: >>11260040

>>11260012
The first one implies can, in that after leaving Christ's side, the apostles retained this ability.
The second implies do, by dictating foundation of an earthly assembly and the power designated to them.
Having never made confession, I'm sure you don't know about the act of contrition. The portion in which the penitent (hopefully you) turns directly to The Father, with the support of his two witnesses, to beg forgiveness for his sins. It is the most important part, but perhaps comes so naturally as to be omitted in description.
Actually, do you need a full description? It's apparent that you are arguing from a position of ignorance on many parts of the faith. And although I am no apologist, I can help show the truth and calm your troubled mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 14:59:43 No.11260021 Report

Quoted By: >>11260040 >>11260046

>>11260012
>declaring Jesus Christ the sole arbiter of God’s forgiveness
You don't seem to know who God is because you're making a mistake here. You're interchanging the Judeo-Christian Semitic tribal Jewish god Yahweh (יהוה) from Middle Eastern bible fables with the great Aryan-pagan god Godan ( ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ ) from Europe. God is not Yahweh and Yahweh is not God. Yahweh's name isn't God. Yahweh and Godan are two very different gods from two different continents. The Middle Eastern Yahweh (יהוה) is not a god of European origin, unlike Godan, who is. Godan ( God ᚷᛟᛞ ) is not the god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and is not the god of the Bible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:00:58 No.11260022 Report

Quoted By: >>11260027 >>11260046

>>11260015
>Jesus Christ is the medium between you and God the father
This isn't that likely because the good god Godan ( God or ᚷᛟᛞ ) of the North is the name of the chief god among many others in the polytheistic Germanic pantheon. God is not a title, it is the Lombardic ( shortened ) name of the Aryan pagan god Godan, or more commonly, Wodan. God is named after the Germanic god Wodan ( ᚹᛟᛞᚨᚾ ) and the Norse chief god, Odinn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:01:18 No.11260023 Report

Quoted By: >>11260026 >>11260034 >>11260046

>>11260014
They cant answer your prayers, man. Theres nothing in the bible that suggests that. The saints and Mary are enjoying heaven (if the saints were saved), Jesus is the one mediator between man and God

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:01:31 No.11260024 Report

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>>11259989
>pray to saint
>saint prays to God
Fucking divine bureaucracy

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:02:14 No.11260025 Report

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>>11259989
yes, these are akin to the "lesser gods" of polytheism

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:02:19 No.11260026 Report

Quoted By: >>11260030

>>11260023
>Jesus is the one mediator between man and God
This isn't true because God is a stolen name of ( Godan ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ ). Jewish missionaries originated the idea to steal Godan's name in order to eradicate the native Germanic religion by tricking the white natives into signing over their souls over to the Jew's god; the Yahweh ( יהוה ). Early Christian converts were told to use Godan's name ( God ᚷᛟᛞ ) in order to supplant the native white pagan religion with the new Judaic sect of Rabbinic Christianity from Asia that worships the Yahweh. Christians will obey the Jews when it comes to what god they should worship and what name he should be called.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:02:28 No.11260027 Report

Quoted By: >>11260032

>>11260022
Be gone pagan in the name of Jesus Christ

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:03:06 No.11260028 Report

Quoted By: >>11260046

>>11259989
It is basically idolatry regardless of how you to try to frame it but I do understand the desire to have something you crouch in front of and pray to
I’m Reformed so in theory it’s a big no from me but I like iconography and the history behind their usage

Gareth

Gareth Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:03:32 No.11260029 Report

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>>11259989
Yes. It's basically what turns a true religion, devoted to the worship of the One God, into paganism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:03:35 No.11260030 Report

Quoted By: >>11260035

>>11260026
You need salvation through Jesus Christ. Wodan is a filthy pagan god, hes s created being.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:04:12 No.11260031 Report

Quoted By: >>11260041

>>11259989
Is it paganism to ask Pastor Jim Bob to ask the rest of the congregation to pray for you?
No?
Then it isn't paganism to ask a Saint to pray for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:04:58 No.11260032 Report

Quoted By: >>11260036

>>11260027
It's as if you're trying to trick people into going to some weird Jew worshipping afterlife, to become the slaves of Jews in heaven.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:05:02 No.11260033 Report

Quoted By: >>11260043

>>11259989
Literally wasn't a problem for "Protestants" (aka pagans) until Luther's spergin out.
Validated in the ecumenical councils, which are also accepted & agreed by "Protestants".
And now (((Christians))) claim this to be a problem?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:05:16 No.11260034 Report

Quoted By: >>11260037

>>11260023
Maybe, but what about the Transfiguration, where Moses and Elijah appeared?

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:07:22 No.11260035 Report

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>>11260030
>You need salvation through Jesus Christ.
You're trying to trick people into going to some weird Jew worshipping afterlife, to become the slaves of Jews in heaven.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:07:50 No.11260036 Report

Quoted By: >>11260038

>>11260032
Its as if you're a total loser that cant see beyond race and ethnicity

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:08:25 No.11260037 Report

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>>11260034
But they didnt answer anyones prayers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:09:37 No.11260038 Report

Quoted By: >>11260039 >>11260045

>>11260036
If your religion doesnt recognize very basic facts of reality then thats a pretty good test to see if its bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:11:03 No.11260039 Report

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>>11260038
Like what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:11:37 No.11260040 Report

Quoted By: >>11260042 >>11260048 >>11260062 >>11260069

>>11260020
You should try reading the actual Bible itself. No one but Christ has ever remitted a sin or ever will. The apostles were given authority to drive out demonic possession, not to grant forgiveness for sins. I’m continually shocked by how little Catholics actually know about Christianity.

>>11260021
One and the same. Pick any major religion and you’re likely to find Him on top, He who has a thousand names.

>With Reason (Logos), not with hands, did the World-maker make the universal World; so that thou thus shouldst think of Him as everywhere and ever-being, the Author of all things, and One and Only, who by His Will all beings hath created.
- Hermes Trismegistus

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:13:21 No.11260041 Report

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>>11260031
but we don't pray to the pastor

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:14:24 No.11260042 Report

Quoted By: >>11260047

>>11260040
In the early church, people confessed their sins out loud to the entire congregation. Now the priest alone bears witness to your confession and provides spiritual guidance, but it is God who forgives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:15:04 No.11260043 Report

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>>11260033
I thought Krauts are Lutheran

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:15:46 No.11260044 Report

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:15:53 No.11260045 Report

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>>11260038
What facts?

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:17:30 No.11260046 Report

Quoted By: >>11260050 >>11260056

>>11260022
>>11260021
And you're blind to the truth, behind seven layers of ironic anti-semitism.
>>11260028
For fucks sake. Define idolatry.
>>11260023
For this reason. First and irrelevant, the existence of heaven, and following habitation are common knowledge. Have never needed writing down.
Second, and to the point, nobody is praying that a saint, human or angel, do anything by their own power. That would be glorifying them, and thus idolatry. They are appealing to them to petition God, so He may intervene. It's like asking an expert, and I really should have saved the Evergarten picture to make this point.

Here's St Michael, who cast the fallen down by praying The Lord judge them. And here's a written prayer for example.
https://aleteia.org/2017/08/19/overwhelmed-by-so-much-evil-here-are-3-of-st-michaels-weapons/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:17:48 No.11260047 Report

Quoted By: >>11260049

>>11260042
>but it is God who forgives
Welcome to Protestantism fren <3

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:18:35 No.11260048 Report

Quoted By: >>11260051

>>11260040
>to find Him on top
what does this mean "on top"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:19:38 No.11260049 Report

Quoted By: >>11260053

>>11260047
That's literally what the Orthodox and Catholic Churches say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:20:21 No.11260050 Report

Quoted By: >>11260062

>>11260046
>And you're blind to the truth
Truth my ass. Christians lie. Christians do not tell the truth. Christians never tell the truth. There are no Christians that tell the truth. They lie to themselves and that's called faith. They lie to others when they claim fake rabbi Jesus was a real person. If Jesus were real, he would be an outrageous liar who lies. He said he was the truth and that's a lie. If he said he was a lie, that would be the truth, if he were real, but this is a lie. He said faith was good, but this is a lie because Christian lying is always bad and never any good.
The whole stupid religion needs lies to even exist. It needs its followers to have a faith that is the same thing as lying. The religion has to lie about what faith is and what faith does. It needs its followers to believe that faith is a great thing to have, just so it can overcome the demonstrable absurdity of the cartoonish fables of Judeo-biblical storyland. Christians will never know what truth is because they only have faith in lying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:20:56 No.11260051 Report

Quoted By: >>11260054

>>11260048
Of all other powers in the grand hierarchy. Including the ones you might call “gods,” who we call “angels.”

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:21:39 No.11260052 Report

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once you get saved you become a saint
https://youtu.be/CLTAqJavYZU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:22:10 No.11260053 Report

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>>11260049
Don’t know about Orthodoxy but you only need to scroll up to find Catholics proclaiming their local priest a living omnipotent deity. One moron even said that the priest is Christ Himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:23:15 No.11260054 Report

Quoted By: >>11260057

>>11260051
two pointless incomplete sentences, grammatically flawed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:24:00 No.11260055 Report

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>>11259989
No, it's heresy.
Not the same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:26:27 No.11260056 Report

Quoted By: >>11260059

>>11260046
Prayer is communion with you and God. This is only possible through Jesus Christ, God the son. Without him, we wouldnt be able to commune with God the father. Inserting some random saint does nothing, and again, no one else in heaven besides God can hear your prayers and answer them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:27:21 No.11260057 Report

Quoted By: >>11260060

>>11260054
Lol, theres no way youre older than 20

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:28:23 No.11260058 Report

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>>11259990
lies are among the tools of serpents anon

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:30:21 No.11260059 Report

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>>11260056
>This is only possible through Jesus Christ, God the son.
This is blasphemy to say this. It is insulting to claim that the white man's god Godan ( God or ᚷᛟᛞ ) would ever deign to breed with a Jewess and make a son. It is insulting to claim that the wise and good god Godan would ever make this choice. Instead, it's Yahweh ( יהוה ) who says; "The Jewess is my kind of woman." It's Yahweh who says; "When it's messiah breeding time, I choose the Jews." Our Aryan god ( called God ) would never say this. This is a revealing lie that Jew worshipping Christians tell because it shows that they side with Yahweh and rank Jews as a superior race to Aryans. Immigrating Jews invented Christianity so that the host nation would share the same god with them, thereby insulating themselves from harm. Jews want to cross-breed so the Yahweh god would set a divine example by breeding with a Jewess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:32:20 No.11260060 Report

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>>11260057
>Lol, theres no way youre older than 20
implies that with maturity, we begin to worship the Judeo-Christian Semitic tribal Jewish god Yahweh (יהוה) from Middle Eastern bible fables

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:35:14 No.11260061 Report

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>>11260060
>>11260059
lel

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:36:09 No.11260062 Report

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>>11260040
>Make a very personal, literally sealed ritual
>Don't write it down
Why would they do this?

Also, hollywood lied to you. Habitual sin is a lesser possession. Remitting sin IS casting out demons.

>>11260050
>Doesn't know the truth
>Why can't anybody tell me the truth?
Like pottery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:36:23 No.11260063 Report

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its paganism to be a jew like op

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:39:09 No.11260064 Report

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This isn't /religion/ cunt. Kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:41:13 No.11260065 Report

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>>11260060
Lol yup, grow up kiddo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:41:34 No.11260066 Report

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>>11259989
>yes

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:43:29 No.11260067 Report

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>>11259997
>Priests are acting as Christ
NO FALSE PROPHETS

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:43:48 No.11260068 Report

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>>11259993
>he prays to Mary instead of praising the Holy Spirit Sophia directly
Loser

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:44:11 No.11260069 Report

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>>11260040
> quotes hermes
>doesn't know
have a pic and learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:44:14 No.11260070 Report

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>>11259993
Based Bulgarian Catholicbro, p*otestants just have an extremely watered down and subverted catechism. Not saying the Catholic church is not subverted at the higher echelons, either but at least the average Catholic has a far better understanding of the Scriptures and the actual Oral and Written Traditions of the early church

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:46:28 No.11260071 Report

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:46:29 No.11260072 Report

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>>11259999
Oh look, another filthy p*otestant spreading his two or three hundred year old ideals around like he's better than the apostles who established the ONE church Christ left us

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:47:01 No.11260073 Report

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>>11260065
This is Yahweh, tells me to grow up

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:47:53 No.11260074 Report

Quoted By: >>11260082 >>11260086

>>11260062
I know many sins are caused by corrupt lusts that we call “inner demons.” To cast those out is to spare the possessed from excess suffering. It may make one less likely to sin further; it does NOT cleanse the soul of the sins it carries. You’d still need to seek forgiveness and remittance from God through Christ. No man has ever wielded the power to forgive a sin. Though it is written those who you forgive will have been forgiven, you are not dispensing God’s forgiveness yourself; it means that by time you’re ready to forgive someone who has wronged you, God has already done so. His mercy exceeds all of ours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:48:07 No.11260075 Report

Quoted By: >>11260080

>>11260006
Not in the least. Asking Mary or the Saints to pray for you is absolutely no different than asking someone still on earth to pray for you. No wonder p*otestants are so miserable... I'd feel pretty lonely if I was one, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:49:25 No.11260076 Report

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>>11259989
Just be a good person OP and everything else will follow

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:49:41 No.11260077 Report

Quoted By: >>11260081

>>11260071
I’ve seen this enough. It’s mostly accurate. What’s your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:49:44 No.11260078 Report

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>>11259989
No, it isn't. It is paganism to elevate a saint to an equal status or above God Himself. Praying for a saint to intercede in your behalf to God is actually a good catholic rite, in that you acknowledge the sacrifices of the saint in the name of God and wish to partake in his journey for holiness. This is much different than the traditional vision protestants have on catholics that they are putting the images before God, when they put their own pastors to intercede for God in their ceremonies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:50:25 No.11260079 Report

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>>11260017
This. If people only knew how upset the way p*otestants treat Mary probably makes Christ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:53:51 No.11260080 Report

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>>11260075
Asking someone on earth to pray for you is just as despicable. If you need something from God, you ask Him. When you go see Santa at the mall, you ask Santa for presents, you don’t go and collect a dozen character witnesses and lobbyists to ask for you. Santa doesn’t need all that crap, neither does God.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:55:15 No.11260081 Report

Quoted By: >>11260083

>>11260077
don't trust people invoking (((hermes/thot thrice great)))
evil alone comes with them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 15:58:46 No.11260082 Report

Quoted By: >>11260086

>>11260074
>You’d still need to seek forgiveness and remittance from God through Christ.
You're interchanging Yahweh with Godan.
anyway, you don't need to seek forgiveness and remittance if you have a negative sin score. Negative sin can be accrued and a negative score be gained.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:01:07 No.11260083 Report

Quoted By: >>11260086 >>11260102

>>11260081
Moses was a high priest of Egypt and master of the Hermetic tradition. The Torah is packed full of Hermetic doctrines, both in plaintext and veiled in metaphor (the Zohar expounds on the latter). Hermeticism provides the metaphysical theory absent from the Bible—the parts you don’t ‘need’ to know, but that are helpful to understand. I dare you to read the Corpus Hermeticum and tell me exactly where it conflicts with Christianity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:03:38 No.11260084 Report

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>>11259994
>the saints (and mary) have miracles attributed to them, thus proving that god is listening to their prayers
So, like, you don't have faith that God will answer your prayers, or had answered the prayers of anyone else?
The Jews require a sign.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:10:35 No.11260085 Report

Quoted By: >>11260097

>>11259989
Yes.

In my country, our scummy, vile, MAFIA SCAM OF A CHURCH discovers a new "ReLiC oF tHe SaInT" every couple of months
like "Saint Fuckovius' Sacred Slippers" or whatever

they then proceed to parade it around greece, and all the RETARDED BRAINWASHED CHRISTKEKS pay out the ass an make donations to go and kiss a pair of shoes and pray to it

it's the most retarded and degenerate thing I've ever seen. worse than a cult. greek orthodox christianity is such a GREEDY SCAM

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:14:59 No.11260086 Report

Quoted By: >>11260095 >>11260099

>>11260074
Now you've lost me. Where's the confusion?
Do you think the priest is literally forgiving sin that wasn't perpetrated against himself?
Do you think he changes the bread and wine? Infuses the water with spirit?

Did Moses part the sea? Did Elijah throw fire down? Did Elisha raise the dead?
It's God that does all of these things. The priest is an administrator. Root word minister. This is the meaning of Persona Christi.

Side note, literal demons. People retain the choice, but the temptation is an actual encounter with the unclean.
>>11260082
Poor understanding. The smallest sin is still beyond personal merit because it impugns upon the Holy of Holies. Because The Lord is all in all, I, for example, have literally nothing of tangible worth to make God whole. Thus no amount of work can be done to gain forgiveness for my sin.
Seeing this, The Son became incarnate to sacrifice himself freely. Winning forgiveness for us all. To catch you up to the conversation, we're discussing whether you should speak to The King of King's agents on Earth to gain this forgiveness.

BTW, I keep forgetting to say. Pagan gods are flawed and limited, fighting each other to be top of shit heap. "Baal ze bub" if you will. Maybe you should consider sidestepping the whole thing and following He Who Is.
>>11260083
I invite you to read "Ascending Mt Carmel", humbling yourself of these pretensions.
Not to prove anything. Just simply to get you back on the path.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:15:37 No.11260087 Report

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>>11259989
Yes, which is why it was used for so long. Man intrinsically tends towards polytheism. Monotheism is a temporary and unfortunate derivation that pops up from time to time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:16:42 No.11260088 Report

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>>11259989
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:17:38 No.11260089 Report

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>>11259993
Well that's the official explanation of the Roman Catholic church, that they do not pray to Mary as they would to God but simply ask Mary to pray for them.
I do not endorse that practice as it is not biblical. We are to follow Christ's example, and Christ did what every God-fearing person is supposed to do, namely pray and worship God. Jesus is man as God intended all men to be, namely a perfect servant who perfectly submits and worships the true God.
As for James 5:16, I think that refers to christians that are still alive, not christians who have passed away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:18:38 No.11260090 Report

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>>11260061
Yet christians are the biggest ZOG enablers. And they're spiritual semites as well.
>>>/x/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:19:18 No.11260091 Report

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>>11259995
Thank you, friend! You have it right, we don't need a meditator between us and God.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:21:15 No.11260092 Report

Quoted By: >>11260096

>>11260058
Whatever you say Cuckadoodle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:29:55 No.11260093 Report

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>>11260061
You can't lose if you're playing both sides.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:30:41 No.11260094 Report

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If you're "praying" to saints then definitely idolatry, however, if you are requesting or asking them to pray to God on your behalf then it's okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:30:50 No.11260095 Report

Quoted By: >>11260100

>>11260086
>Do you think the priest is literally forgiving sin
No, that’s what I was arguing against and you were arguing for. Are we going to pretend that didn’t happen? I’m willing to, you seem to have corrected yourself enough.
>It's God that does all of these things
That was my point
>Ascending Mt Carmel
I’ve heard of it but haven’t read it yet. From the wiki it looks exactly like a Hermetic text: the journey toward union with God, the abandonment of attachment and desire, a clear progression through spiritual stages toward the summit where God resides. These themes are wholly Christian, yet far predate the birth of Christ. I’ll read Ascent to Mt. Camel, and I hope you read the Corpus Hermeticum for the same reasons. The two systems are intimately linked by history and dogmas, and I think you’ll find as I have that the Hermetica reads almost like another book of the Bible. There’s no conflict that I’ve come across between the teachings of Hermes and Jesus; I’d venture to call Hermes an early prophet of God.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:41:58 No.11260096 Report

Quoted By: >>11260591

>>11260092
That's not even genealogically accurate retard

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:42:35 No.11260097 Report

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>>11260085
lel what... Where do they say they find them? In some cave or what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:43:29 No.11260098 Report

Quoted By: >>11260101

Yes, there's nothing to indicate that you need to pray to saints in the Bible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:46:57 No.11260099 Report

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>>11260086
>The smallest sin is still beyond personal merit because it impugns upon the Holy of Holies.
this is horseshit, the way you convict every last person on Earth and demand that they kiss Jew ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:48:01 No.11260100 Report

Quoted By: >>11260599

>>11260095
>the journey toward union with God
You're interchanging the Judeo-Christian Semitic tribal Jewish god Yahweh (יהוה) from Middle Eastern bible fables with the great Aryan-pagan god Godan ( ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ ) from Europe. God is not Yahweh and Yahweh is not God.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:48:27 No.11260101 Report

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>>11260098
did the people who compiled the Bible write about praying to saints?

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:48:33 No.11260102 Report

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>>11260083
dunno man
there is another who's called thrice great / thrice woven
read other books, private writings of some of o.t.o. califs used to be around online
these explain "hermes" proto psy-op very nicely

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:49:42 No.11260103 Report

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>>11259990
>Larping as a Pagan

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:56:16 No.11260104 Report

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>>11259990
It is quite something that so many who are proud to be white know so little of European history.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2020 16:56:30 No.11260105 Report

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>>11260102
Hermes Trismagestis. He was a druid, a king, and a scholar. The hermetic belief system was based on his teachings which is where a lot of jesus teachings are taken from. Both Jesus and Buddha go into the woods to find themselves and resist worldly distractions just like Hermes. Thats why when someone goes to live alone in the woods they call them a hermit. Also a Hermit-crab is called that because the crab leaves behind its worldly possessions like someone who follows Hermetic Gnosticism

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hQD2SGOP Wed 09 Sep 2020 18:53:48 No.11260561 Report

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James 5:16-18
>Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail. Elijah was a man just like us. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years. Again he prayed, and the heavens gave rain, and the earth yielded its crops.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hQD2SGOP Wed 09 Sep 2020 18:57:18 No.11260591 Report

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>>11260096
You could add to the genealogy of the biological nation of Israel the genealogies of the various prophets, to emphazise they aren't Jews themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hQD2SGOP Wed 09 Sep 2020 18:58:47 No.11260599 Report

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>>11260100
Your "godan" is a non-existent fabrication.
The Germanic word "guda" means diety, and was correctly applied on the biblical God since the third century as attribute that can only be applied to him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oKquBmuP Wed 09 Sep 2020 20:09:22 No.11260992 Report

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>>11259999
FUCK YOU IMPTRASH

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