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>Mark 7: 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, >Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery withbdv her already in his heart. >1 Corinthians 6:18-20 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. >1 John 2:16 - For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. >Hebrews 13:4 - Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. >9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:9 >Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: >Psalm 82 6 I have said, Ye are gods. >John 10 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
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>>13147821 >Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. - In Greek the phrase Jesus uses for "work iniquity" is ἐργάζομαι/ergazomai and ἀνομία/anomia.
>Strong’s Definitions: ἐργάζομαι ergázomai, er-gad'-zom-ahee; middle voice from G2041; to toil (as a task, occupation, etc.), (by implication) effect, be engaged in or with, etc.:—commit, do, labor for, minister about, trade (by), work. >Strong’s Definitions: ἀνομία anomía, an-om-ee'-ah; from G459; illegality, i.e. violation of law or (genitive case) wickedness:—iniquity, × transgress(-ion of) the law, unrighteousness. In other words, Jesus is saying that those who revel in sinning and essentially make it a title or profession upon themselves will NOT be forgiven. This entire board and those of you posting lewd images are who Jesus is talking about and whom He doesn't forgive. Stop what you are doing or you will burn, simple as that.
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If God is so smart, why isn't he an atheist?
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>>13147822 Im so glad we get to have this debate again. I will bring up the point from last time: we know that Rahab and the harlot who washed Christ's feet (Luke 7:36-50) were both forgiven, even though being a whore means that you are constantly "working iniquity" and making it a "title or profession". Furthermore, Matthew Levi was a tax collector, which in Ancient Rome meant basically a blackmailer who was given authority to extort as much money as they wanted as long as they paid a minimum tax take, keeping the rest for themselves. He violated one of the Ten Commandments as a job title, and yet he was not only one of the Twelve, but was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write the very Gospel you cite as proof of your point!
I understand that many Christians have a fetish for unforgiveable sins and judgement and condemnation, but this error is of the devil. It is a heresy, pure and simple. Please stop promulgating it, for your own sake.
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>>13149008 If they loved God they fucking stopped sinning, exactly as Jesus commanded the adulteress He saved from being stoned. I'll also remind you that Jesus did not rebuke the men for seeking to stone the woman, but for being hypocrites and not loving God. Again, if you revel in sin and wickedness you are NOT forgiven and will be cast into the lake of fire as the scriptures say. Sinners will suffer for their disobedience on Earth, but the wicked who delight in said sins and treat it as a badge of honor are forever lost.
There's no hope for those who come here and continue posting lewd images and spend wockedmess. These dehenerates need to actively STOP doing what they do or be lost. So will you if you keep lying about God and telling people it's okay to keep blatantly sinning against God.
You will burn too for being a false prophet.
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>>13149203 He told the young man who asked him what to do not to kill, and in other places he said that Moses gave the Jews certain allowances because of the hardness of their hearts.
There is always hope for those who truly repent. So in that we are agreed: we must all repent of lust, since it is a crime against God, ourselves, and our fellow men.
I have never said it's ok to sin, I have said that all sins can be forgiven through grace and repentance. We are saved through grace by faith, and thus through the divine mercy, which we cannot know the limits of. But even more than that we can petition God to be merciful, as Abraham did before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. This is one of our duties as Christians also.
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>>13149263 Forgiveness isn't freedom from Earthly consequences; Moses, thief on the cross, Adam/Eve. Outright reveling in sin is not forgiven, which these lewd posters are doing.
They will not be forgiven unless they stop promoting wickedness.
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>>13149284 that image is laughably heretical btw
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>>13149288 Jesus is the genocidal lunatic from the OT, Yahweh/I AM. He hates sin with a passion and never forgave it, He simply compromised between His Holiness and Love to only cast those that reject Him into the lake of fire instead of everyone. The flood was also a compromise, because Holy wanted everyone fucking dead.
The pic is extremely accurate.
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>>13149289 >Let us reason together... for behold, your sins are as scarlet, but they shall be white as snow. Thats the "Old Testament God" speaking through his servant Isaiah.
>If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9
> “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.” Luke 6:37
>As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us. Old Testament again, this time David (Psalm 103:12)
>The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him. OT again, Daniel 9:9
>I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more OT again, Isaiah AGAIN, 43:25
>Then he adds: Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more. Hebrews 10:17
>If You, Lord, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who could stand? But there is forgiveness with You, that You may be feared. Oh look, Old Testament God is forgiving sins again. Psalm 130:3-4
and two more from Paul:
>He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. >In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence. Not only are sins forgiven through Christ, they are forgiven with love and in joy.
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>>13149328 If sin was forgiven none would suffer eternal torment. Jesus simply punished Himself, but never forgave sin. Furthermore, even the saved suffer for their sins on Earth; Moses, thief on cross, Adam/Eve. Unrepentant sinners are not forgiven.
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>>13149350 You dont understand the nature of the forgiveness. Also, it may not be that the punishment is eternal. I believe that through the earnest prayers of the Church that we can prevail upon God's mercy as the patriarchs did before us.
If you dont believe that Christ died to save us, how are you a Christian? What was even the point of the incarnation? Also, how are you just going to contradict all those scripture passages I cited from both testaments that clearly show that yes, God does forgive sins, and likes doing it when people truly repent?
Sin doesnt affect God, it affects us. God is just, not temperamental. He doesnt throw fits, he dispenses justice and mercy.
God does not save us from Himself, but from sin and death. Sin is a sickness that destroys us, and death is an unnatural consequence of sin. Christ did not die to prevail over the Father who sent Him, but to prevail over this fallen world.
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>>13149365 Sin still offends Jesus deeply, He isn't cool with it. He's the same as He was when He flooded Earth, only He won't kill you outright. He will punish the wicked however and even the saved suffer Earthly consequences for their sins and lose favor with God. Those who use the cross as a crutch suffer on Earth, and those who reject the cross entirely are rejected.
God favors those who obey Him and don't lean on the cross, hence Jesus commanding us to deny ourselves and carry our own crosses
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>>13149403 You are literally inventing this doctrine out of whole cloth. Find me one single source, that isnt just you, that agrees with the exact points you are making here, that
1. Sin makes God vengeful
2. That earthly punishments actually correspond to committed sin even when those sins are repented
3. That "using the cross as a crutch" is a bad thing
4. That earthly favor directly corresponds to good works
I am interested to see you find sources for this novel doctrine, which I have never heard any of the Holy Fathers or Saints teach.
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>>13149365 >>13149403 Also, Jesus is extreme petty towards sin and has tons of emotion. Moses had to rebuke and scold Him for wanting to kill the children of Israel for worshipping the golden calf. Jesus threw hissy fits constantly in the OT and says He is a jealous God. He literally sold Israel into captivity numerous times for offending Him. Jesus fucking hates sin the exact same, so don't make excuses for it. If you love Jesus then don't feel comfortable sinning, deny yourself.
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>>13149415 Read literally the OT,
>>13149417 God hates sin. The flood was Him throwing a fit. Adam and Eve were forgiven but got kicked out of Eden. Moses was forgiven but was denied the promised land. Thief was forgiven but was crucified and drowned in his own blood. Jesus said to carry your cross, not use it as a crutch.
Freedom to sin isn't freedom from consequences.
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>1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. Romans 6 >And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams." 1 Samuel 15:20-22 >18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. James 2
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Jesus literally cursed Moses brothers wife with leprosy for 7 days for pissing Him off, and Moses begged Him to chill the fuck out. Sin makes God fucking mental.
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>>13149423 >>13149428 >>13149437 This is just your interpretation. Show me an authority from any age who backs up your opinion. Im even willing to concede the possibility that God gets angry; just show me one person who supports your theory about earthly favor. Just one.
I have been arguing the Orthodox position as best I know it, which is that God judges without rancor, that God punishes correctively, that the world itself is fallen and therefore wordly reward is questionable at best, and that "leaning on the cross" is actually exactly what you are supposed to do in order to do anything good at all. We are supposed to call out constantly to God for help to obey His commandments. To pretend that we can do otherwise is pride, which is a grave sin. No one can be righteous without the constant intervention of the Holy Spirit.
