>>13532169the ordering forces are ordos. from a solid piece of wet rock, evolved life, and mankind. that is clearly an antichaotic result from the consistent application of chaotic forces. this is a dialectical interplay of contradiction and is present in all non-deterministic systems.
the universe is mechanical unless you consider the random quantum foam chaos. yet you exist, made out of air and water and rock, using a rock to talk to me through rocks called wires and more air vibrations. all manifestly physically purely chaotic systems at every level except our 'living' functional level.
and yet mankind also detonated nuclear weapons (did ___ foresee this?), changing the mass of the universe, and by the butterfly effect, our atomic tests have perturbed gravity and the basic quantum foam for ten thousand galaxies who will see chaotic effects from Trinity and other impossible earth mass changes.
all the above is couched in physics because these days its chic to trust the science. what is there to really trust? chaos-ordos is all we have, or else the entire system is deterministic. logos is a type of ordos. politics too, and your societies.