n the coming year I will be making Homesteading /threads.
I will be promoting sustainable living through group / multi-family communities & creating/planning for making those communities become a reality.
ITT I will be practicing making a /thread like that, on this topic.
lurkers & who show join in can post links they have found of good videos or books on homesteading tips & tricks; youtubers who do a very good job explaining things on this topic.
The goal is to save the doomers & wagies from overwork & being poor; having little free time to ENJOY LIFE & working to give them hope to change things for the better & become a part of a homesteading community for themselves
I want /pol/ anons to get out of this place! live & enjoy life IRL w/ other based & redpilled pollacks instead of being in here & alone
So I will be working in 2022 to bring this idea to /pol/ first it will be informational as we all learn together
in 2023 I hope that by then anons can post in these /threads showing their land & homes they built as a community all working together, post pics & write post showing how you can do it , how to achieve it & how their quality of life improved from their life before.
Come share your ideas on this, concerns, criticisms or encouragement. Lets unite & collectively say FUCK YOU to the rent seekers & slave masters of the wagies!
The Party continues, enjoy the comfy vibes.
also keep an eye out of Circle the Wagons Project, that is what I will be using to start these /threads
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>>14039572 Good luck advertising your self. Worked out well for the pizza place in DC.
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Friendly reminder that OP is a (((Nazbol))) shill trying and failing to use the Homesteading niche to promote Duginism.
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>>14039574 You'll notice there's a small shill team keeping the thread bumped. Brazil proxy, Ireland proxy.
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>>14039572 How based do you have to be to make these threads?
Keep doing god's work
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>>14039574 >>14039575 They mostly post the same scripted responses each thread.
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SteppeLatin !!44Wq/HmA/+D
Daily reminder rural living is a waste of time unless you want to become an industrial farmer
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The two biggest tactics the kikes are using for these threads is>discouragement (via concern shilling) >purity spiraling (trying to convince you you need to do X Y or Z to be a "real homesteader" (false definition))
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>>14039578 There's the Ireland proxy.
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Reminder the keep an eye out for known shills:>Canadian kike >Amerikike Tyson shill
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Alright I keep seeing “garden tractor” spammed. Can someone recommend a make and model with decent accessories? I got some digging to do.
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>>14039582 What's your problem bro? Oh, you're such a prophet, calling on something and the it happenning. Get a life would ya?
>>14039581 >>purity spiraling (trying to convince you you need to do X Y or Z to be a "real homesteader" (false definition)) Fact is that being a homesteader requires some problem solving skills, and problems could be solved in many different ways, of course, you do have the conventional ways, but these aren't the only kind.
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High Desert hot spring poster from last thread(s).. have a bump..
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>>14039588 Do you have pics of your layout and plants to share anon?
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>>14039585 Love me some amaranth..
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>>14039572 Go ahead and post some more poetry and fan fiction. Don't forget to phonepost that bullshit misinfo copypasta with the youtube links from your phone.
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>>14039572 Bump. From last bread:
I'll throw in. What I'm reading now:
Resilient Homestead by Ben Falk
Reslilient Garden by Carol Deppe
You Can Farm by Joel Salatin
Market Gardener by JM Fortier
Chicken Talk by Kelly Klober
Small Scale Poultry Flock by Harvey (((Ussery)))
Raising Milk Goats the Modern Way (old edition)
Storey's Guide to Raising Rabbits (old edition)
Also comfy: Homesteading Family channel on JT
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu99W5TTPAucVN83TYQtCqQ Anonymous
>>14039572 >ep7 I missed two whole threads overnight?
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>>14039572 Just posting a comment that couldn't be made due to run off:
>>351845429 There was this guy David Graeber (he organized occupy wallstreet), and he wrote this book called 'Debt: The first 5000 years'. and one of his main thesis' was that 'barter and trade' never actually happened. If I have wool, and you have apples, my wool is useless to you if it's not cold. Why would you ever trade me your apples for wool in the spring when apples are being harvested? Makes no sense.
His theory is that early communities relied on these un-spoken systems of debt. We can see from studies with monkeys that the idea of 'fairness' is baked into how we interact with the world (
https://www.wabe.org/why-monkeys-care-about-fairness-and-what-it-means-us/ ). Graeber's contention is then that in early communities everyone would just kind of help each other out as needs, and this would lead to the creation of an un-ledgered 'social capital' that the community kind of just intrinsicly was aware of. I have spent my life trying to accumulate 'social' capital as opposed to fiat....social capital can be redeemed in far more profound and useful ways than fiat can. If someone 'owes you one' for a time you helped them, that can be payed off in a variety of different ways, whereas the transaction of 'here's some money for how you helped me' settles the unspoken 'debt'. If anyone has lived in a farm community, you can see this at play in real time. People invite their neighbors to big pig roasts or cider-making parties, and the selfless-sharing of resources creates an unspoken debt connection between everyone, which bonds the agrarian community together.
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>>14039586 Overpriced like used cars right now. Why do you need it? Mostly a solution demanding a problem.
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>>14039578 >because fuck youtube Based
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>>14039593 Dont worry you didnt miss out much
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>>14039589 Posting a reply here and checking my email is about the extent of my tech skills or interests. Photos make great proof, but different angles or seasons can make a nightmare look like heaven.. from my experience.
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To anon talking about pond building at the end of last thread, Ben Falk is huge on that. Here's a really good lecture from him on the issue(and more, mainly earthworks based):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXtQUVNzqs >>14039588 Also relevant for you anon, some great water catchment info.
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>>14039593 Crazy world innit??
Either it is lone desu on bender, or a worldwide conspiracy...
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>>351844608 >What breed do you suggest and what is the time to harvest and FCR? I recommend people pick their breed based on climate first and foremost. I raise chanteclers because they handle the cold very well. Time to harvest and FCR both seem to vary more depending on the bloodline within the breed than between breeds (just speaking of large dual purpose heritage breeds). A lot of people have bred rhode island reds to be too small for example, but if you get a traditional bloodline they are just as good as plymouths or sussex. I slaughter at 16-20 weeks depending on the season, I just don't feel like gutting chickens outside at -20C so I kill the later hatches a bit younger. The actual FCR I have no way of knowing, since they have 4 acres they wander through eating bugs and seeds and stuff. For just the feed I have to intentionally grow and harvest and feed them, a 6 pound cockerel goes through just about 10 pounds of oats.
>Pre refrigeration I don't think anybody ate pork every day Winter was refrigeration. But pork was still common the rest of the year, smoked and cured pork products were created for precisely this reason.
>How are you doing for eggs lately? Fine, I put a light in the barn for december and january so they keep laying. The only issue is checking often enough that they don't freeze and crack.
>>351844758 Sometimes, but you don't need to actually spend weeks digging to learn "they dug". Hand digging is very old ways, plowing was ubiquitous for the last several centuries.
>>351845193 No, the fact is I am known by you, because you are eternally booty blasted over being told a fact that contradicts with your feelings that you got from being emotionally invested in a jewtube channel.
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>>14039586 >Can someone recommend a make and model with decent accessories? I got some digging to do. Anonymous
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>>14039574 Duganism?
how far behind are you with all this shit.
be like ANON he is past all that
and you are fad int fagging like a newfag?
what is this? in a thread about apple pie honey bees and getting pussy in the woods?
go outside, get out of here, be free and cum harder then you ever have and listen with her next to you to the birds chirping and the sound of the wind as it most those trees about above you and how the sunlight dances around you
don't be scared take that last redpill
oh wait, you are only on dugin and he was so recent for you
and you use it like you are saying something other then how far behind and new your dumb ass is
hurry up. we are leaving, ANON SEES IT and you still are looking at the books!
fuck! and reddit insults , so played out and gay
who are you? oh, the nothing. you are the nothing
that's right.
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>>14039578 Sorry for the JT link, but this lecture by JM Fortier is legit. Five part series. Fortier is influenced by Mollison's work. You don't need to be focused on six figures to get something out of his approach.
Six figure market gardening:
https://youtu.be/0hBUOdv2vn8 Anonymous
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Here is a PDF from a well-known author (many of you will know him here) Arthur Seymour, who has some books on the subject.
https://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/full-self-sufficiency.pdf Anonymous
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>>14039572 Based. Have a bump, anon. We are all going to make it.
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>>14039594 >apple harvest in the spring Anon, I…
>>14039595 I said I have some digging to do.
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>>14039594 Very interesting concept. Bartering absolutely did happen, but he's right in that social capital happened also
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>>14039587 If you're the same mick who asked in the other thread I was posting a long reply then took pic with timestamp then the thread archived.
Short story, my pump (that does cold maple syrup) cost close to 8000$ all in figuring in the compressor, tubing tri-clamp fittings, etc.
Comparable cost pump should do honey but you MUST heat it for it to flow. Drum warmer will run about 2000$ and from my experience they don't last very long.
Real industrial scale version of my pump (that one of the top 5 biggest brokers would use) is going to run upwards of 20 grand for just a compressor to drive it.
Some large scale brokers will have a room just kept hot to store drums to warm them up before pumping.
Pic related.
I've got some things to do outside before it gets too cold out, but don't forget if some idiot makes a claim here and can't produce proof (PICS) they're just posting fan-fiction and fantasy. Let's try to keep this shit grounded in reality, post up real plans, real actions, and real pics!
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>>14039599 Twas me thanks for Ram pump vid! I didn't realize that was Ben Falk I read one of his books years ago, what a great resource thanks fren.
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Recommended readings:>The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins >Edible Wild Plants: A Folding Pocket Guide by James Kavanagh >The Backyard Homestead by Carleen Madigan >The Natural Remedies Encyclopedia by Vance Ferrell >The Garden Primer by Barbara Damrosch >Teaming with Microbes: The Organic Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web by Jeff Lowenfels >Worms Eat my Garbage by Mary Appelhof >What's Wrong With My Plant? (And How Do I Fix It?) by David Deardorff >The Vegetable Gardener's Bible, 2nd Edition by Edward Smith >Seed to Seed: Seed Saving and Growing Techniques for Vegetable Gardeners by Suzanne Ashworth >Four-Season Harvest: Organic Vegetables from Your Home Garden All Year Long by Eliot Coleman >Square Foot Gardening by Mel Bartholomew >Good Bug Bad Bug by Jessica Walliser >Good Weed Bad Weed by Nancy Gift
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>>14039577 where you even IN the last thread
how far off is that statement
so many jesters
and they dance for each other!
this is new, this beyond Dago.
it is just plain interpretive style now
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>>14039602 I’m not digging 60+ acres with a D1.
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>>14039599 Thanks, fren. One of the best thing I’ve done here was building a pond and stocking it with Tilapia. They thrive in the warm, mineral rich water. Planted willows and palms around the pond, cattails came in on their own.. truly a lil oasis.
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>>14039607 >southern hemisphere anon, I....
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>>14039576 too based for this place.
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>>14039609 How much will it cost to (b)raise & smoke a whole cow and slice it into whole body sized thin jerky slices?
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>>14039572 we're all gonna make it
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>>14039580 yeah maybe you can raise an deat the rats in your walls
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>>351845380 >im not sure what you mean by 'garden tractor'. http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/1/7/177-massey-ferguson-16.html >But that also takes weeks. Yes, but you are doing something productive in the meantime. Weeks of waiting is not the same as weeks of working.
>But it's two hours a day Yeah, that's the point. Wasting two hours a day every day for several weeks to accomplish something that could be done in a few minutes, or for $20. This is why it should be a last resort, not the first choice.
>I don't want people to think that getting a really useful amount of land ready to plant requires machines and being dependent on fuel for the future of your personal and market gardening. You are. Pretending you are going to be self reliant without machinery is just silly. Are you really going to thresh 5 acres of grain by hand? You're telling anons they need to prepare for a life of endless labor when they could get the lifestyle with 1% of the work by buying a very affordable machine.
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>>14039619 nice fucking sunflower my dude
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>>14039610 yw fren
>>14039604 Awesome! Thanks for the link anon. Market gardening does seem to be the highest grossing strategy, perhaps best approach for temperate smallholdings, then expand into bigger plots and apply permaculture low maintenance startegies.
>>14039609 Thanks for info bro, post some pics once you have the time.
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>>14039581 You forgot the number one tactic, spamming "everyone who isn't a useless spamming faggot like me is a shill!11111"
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>>14039622 Thanks, I've been saving its seed (mammoth) for almost a decade now
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>>14039601 >I slaughter at 16-20 weeks Yeah, fuck that shit. I'll stick to hybrids. I've done up a couple RIR cocks for a neighbor and they didn't really dress out to that much for the effort. Closest I'd do to a non-hybrid bird for meat would be jumbo pekin ducks which should be 10-12 weeks to harvest though I was really happy with the turnaround time on the Grimaud hybrids I got this year.
>>14039609 Forgot pic to relate.
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>>14039615 Holy shit you dumb nigger. The seasons are reversed, not the harvest. Apples are harvested in late fall. They grow through the summer and need fucking chill time to mature. I don’t give a fuck what you call the month, but the only thing you’re picking off an apple tree in the spring is flowers.
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>>14039619 Love me some sunflowers..
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I am worried about the collapse of the US or even global supply chain infrastructure, I don't want my childrens future to be like mad max. Regardless I am going to try to move to a rural area and be self sustaining so I don't have to rely on anyone else, but that's pretty fucking hard the supply chain impacts literally every single aspect of our life.
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>>14039618 Those are dirt farmers nigger you 1st world pansies woulndt make it a day much less a month working in those conditions
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>>14039575 "shill team"
fucking hell mate, is there any self awareness in you?
the amount of anons posting in these threads was like catching lightening in a bottle
it took off on its own
"build it and they will come"
they did, it was comfy. but you wouldn't would you?
but they do. and so do I.
6 threads to bump limit in a row
off my first bake on the topic
and YOU are talking that shit?
you niggers really are deaf , you can't even hear yourselves
this is so fucking great. I have never seen it at this level before.
you make certain Kraut/pol/ reg look less oblivious and that is fucking saying something
this is fun. the energy is rising again. the wave is coming
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>>14039599 That comparison between the huricane run-off in town and on his property is really impressive. He's put a lot of work into crafting his landscape. FYI, he references PI Yeoman's Scale of Permenance to help shape a piece of property. QRD on Yeoman: shape land to address shortcomings and capitalize on strengths; add grasses, forbs, shrubs, trees; add animals
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>>14039619 ..and just noticed the solar cross..Kek’d
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Is the price of cheese too low?
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Bump, want to start homesteading with my gf eventually, shouldn’t be too hard since she basically already did growing up in farm country but I can’t say the same myself
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>>14039601 >spend weeks digging again, with 2 hours of low stress work per day you can have a couple thousand sqft of garden space ready to go in a few weeks. That's not 'weeks of digging'. It's a viable and easy way to quickly get a decent sized beginners plot open and usable, plus you use the grass as food for worms and material for the soil in general, without needing to find or buy cardboard/carpet to let rot for several weeks while it kills the grass.
It's a way towards freedom and away from dependence on fuels and such. Those things may not be available so easy on the future. This aspect of things should not be ignored.
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>>14039629 It's probably a good idea to get out of America at the very least. This land is cursed
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>>14039586 The availability is very regional, depending on what dealers were around back in the 70s and 80s in your area. Good options to look for are bolens, simplicity, ford, massey, and case.
Bolens: pick a mid frame or mid frame XL unless you can find a large frame for a good price. The large frames are better, but tend to be overpriced.
https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/tractor-brands/bolens/bolens-lawn-tractors-series.html http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/001/4/1/1414-ford-lgt-165.html http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/1/7/177-massey-ferguson-16.html http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/7/5/750-ji-case-446.html Anonymous
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>>14039614 Awesome, diversify on species, maybe there is some other pond animal you could introduce that'd thrive on the tilapia droppings. Maybe frogs? Ducks? They might spread dropings further in land.
>>14039619 >>14039625 Woah, you got some seeds to share? I would buy from you, don't know how much it'd cost to send here to ireland though.
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>>14039637 Where to, even? That will most likely not be an option, and, assuming that a global supply chain collapse happens, other parts of the world might be worse off than the States. Any suggestions on best states to homestead in?
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>>14039629 >supply chain It's just inflation. We created several trillion dollars of Brrrrrrr money but nobody has created trillions of dollars worth of shit to spend it on.
That said, get away from the cities NOW, purchase guns, ammo, and storable food supply NOW, have a job or skill that is recession proof or always in demand NOW then work towards self reliance where practical once you have land, food, guns, and some financial security.
You should also plant fruit trees ASAP
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>>14039631 Keep these threads running as long as possible.. all in all a positive thing, and slides tranny demoralization threads.
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>>14039595 >Overpriced like used cars right now What? They go for $500-1000 CAD, less in Ameribucks.
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>>14039639 Awesome. Thanks anon.
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>>14039594 Once you understand there is this innate sense and system of fairness and unconcecrated debt for ppl that help you (and of course there are cheaters) imbued in all of us, you can begin to see how any kind of rurual community will always fundamentally be teathered together because they need one another. No man is an island. I was shocked when I first moved to a farm how people would just walk up to me and ask who I was and why I was there. Our closest neighbors were a mile away, yet everyone knew one another. Contrast that with apartments that I live in now stacked like rat cages and I don't even know who the ppl that live 5 feet from me are. Kazinsky was basically right about everything. Modernity castrates us from our humanity, and rustic living allows you to reconnect with that aspect of ourselves.
pircel is my homie lil donkey. He had the zoomies and ran into the side of a barn not knowing how his legs works and broke his neck. RIP to my nigga. I cry errrytime
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>>14039636 The anon you're replying to is the Canadian kike. He's here to sow dissent. He's engaging in clear logical fallacies, implying that anyone without machinery is going to grow 5 acres of wheat and thresh it. Also ignoring that wheat is literally the cheapest food commodity on the planet and you could buy a lifetime supply of calories in flour for $500.
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>>14039623 >Market gardening does seem to be the highest grossing strategy I met a turkey farmer up in Maine a few years back. Asked him, "Why turkeys?" His reply, "You know how many radishes you have to sell to pay the bills?"
Personally moving toward small livestock, even then, just because I'm interested in it. There's a lot of good in the Fortier's concept of staying small, making a plan, and working within what you've set up.
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>>14039574 >>14039575 >>14039577 >>14039579 You may be right, but this topic is of interest to many genuine human users o this board, and has political significance. Some people just want to look for ways to live their own lives in peace and not sacrifice their lives and sanity trying to fight a 2,000 year old death cult. If you don't like the threads, just filter them out and go back to doing your great works in threads you find worthwhile.
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>>351843828 Good morning ^_^
>>351843932 Thanks fren
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>>14039631 redit spacing
zero substance
shitty poetry
fan fiction
Get your head out of your ass if you want to make it.
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>>14039642 At least stay away from nuke plants that might melt down. Tons in the eastern US.
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>>14039632 Yep, multi ayered approach for the win. Vertical stacking is the way to go, more on that from Bill Mollison, he really adds all of that kind of theory into one system. Currenly reading Permaculture - a designers manual.
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>>14039648 >buy a lifetime supply of calories in flour for $500. Shame it doesn't keep your whole life
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>>14039641 I have ducks in their own area downstream.. wouldn’t last long on the open pond with hawks and huge golden eagles. I do have 4 Caucasian Shepherd LGD’s.. but the coyotes and bobcats are hungry and born killers with nothing but time and determination.
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>>14039638 That's the one!
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>>14039655 kek, I've got some interesting carrots, some were shaped like models lying on their side.
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>>14039654 ive lived like that for 7 years of my life before moving to the city you cluless retard
its fun and games playing the rancher until you realize you need to shit in an outhouse in full dead winter
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>>14039653 If we've hit a point where there is nobody to maintain the nuclear power plants, we're fucked and in mad max situation and have many other things to worry about hahaha
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>>14039657 Post pics of your flour. What kinds do you use and where do you buy them?
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>>14039641 ..also, plan to irrigate fields eventually with fish poop fertilized pond runoff.
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>>14039661 >you need to shit in an outhouse in full dead winter Jesus Christ, it's not that bad.
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>>14039661 >you need to shit in an outhouse in full dead winter Not shitting in a paper bag and tossing it into the wood stove. No wonder you didn't make it.
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>>14039655 Double headed Daikon?
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>>14039663 I get it at the store.
What's that got to do with my statement? I wasn't trying to imply anything by it.
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>>14039651 Morning! Have a lovely day!!
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>>14039644 this, OP. Thank you for posting a high quality thread that can actually help.
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>>14039580 Urban environments have pollutants in the environment that get into the plants thruogh the water, nutrients, soil, roots and air. Unless you grow indoor in a hermetically sealed, HEPA filtered, ionized, C02 added, climate controlled, HVAC and exhaust running 24/7 with multiple power backups grow room, you are getting environmental additives from the city that you wouldn't from a clean rural area.
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>>14039626 >Yeah, fuck that shit. I'll stick to hybrids Why? It seems awfully jewish to torture animals for no reason.
>>14039636 >again, with 2 hours of low stress work per day you can have a couple thousand sqft of garden space ready to go in a few weeks. Or for $20 you can have the same. You're just going in circles. Yes, it is possible to dig out a garden by hand. No, you do not need to do that. I don't see how this is confusing for you.
>It's a viable and easy way to quickly get a decent sized beginners plot open and usable, plus you use the grass as food for worms and material for the soil in general, All of which you get doing it every other way too.
>It's a way towards freedom and away from dependence on fuels and such. You are dependant on them anyways. How is wasting dozens of hours doing pointless digging worth saving a litre of gas?
>Those things may not be available so easy on the future. Then prepare for that. Get your biogas production up and running so you don't have to spend your entire life doing pointless zero skill manual labor.
>>14039646 If you find something on craigslist you aren't sure about, post in one of these threads and I'll take a look. A lot of people will post lawn tractors and call them garden tractors, and a lawn tractor is not what you want. A garden tractor has a big, high torque, heavy duty transaxle so it can plow and pull.
>>14039648 >He's engaging in clear logical fallacies, implying that anyone without machinery is going to grow 5 acres of wheat and thresh it. I am implying the exact opposite. Your butthurt is negatively impacting your literacy.
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>>14039572 i have 15k and im 24
where do i start.
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>>14039621 Yeah, one of those little tractors would be nice im sure. Maybe one day for us, but can't budget it now.
>Weeks of waiting You can dig a 100sqft bed in the morning, prepare and plant it in the afternoon if you want.
>not the first choice Didn't say it was the first choice. I said it was a viable option if you need to get things going right away and don't have access to machinery for whatever reason.
>Pretending you are going to be self reliant without machinery is just silly I didn't claim that though. I was just making it clear that you can literally turn up to your new place and get a very useful garden going very quickly without the stress of finding and running machinery.
>Are you really going to thresh 5 acres of grain by hand? Of course not. That has never been mentioned by me at all.
>You're telling anons they need to prepare for a life of endless labor No, that's all in your mind anon. And if you think 2 hours per day for a few weeks to get yourself a decent beginner sized garden plot ( which you can just keep expanding of course) is a 'life of endless labor', im not sure what to tell you. Interesting conversation.
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>>14039658 Yeesh, life is harsh there. Not many predators around here anymore. Could be a good or bad thing, lots of rabbots around.
>>14039649 I'll have to take a serious look at the Fortier video later today or tomorrow. Was thinking of small livestock, bunnies could be used for grazing and be sold as pets. Chooks are on the list too. Turkeys.. will have a good market around this timeof year, but I'm not one for animal processing. Maybe a Slamon farm would be fitting, will need to see what land is available for me which could suit that kind of thing.
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>>14039666 Not when its midnight in january dark and -10°C is not
>>14039667 Enjoy the smell of shit emanating from your stove
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>>14039641 Yes I probably have half a gallon of seeds from this year. Are you unable to get mammoth sunflower seeds there??
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Schizo mods allow 6 threads then decide to move the 7th.
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>>14039675 >Of course not. That has never been mentioned by me at all. But you said you want to be self reliant because there will be no fossil fuels. This is the point. You are not going to be self reliant unless you either do tons of pointless manual labor for the rest of your life, or purchase basic machinery to do it.
>And if you think 2 hours per day for a few weeks to get yourself a decent beginner sized garden plot ( which you can just keep expanding of course) is a 'life of endless labor', im not sure what to tell you I do not. Learn to read. You said you needed to be prepared to be self reliant without fossil fuel. I responded to that statement. I even quoted it so there was no possible room for confusion.
>>14040684 Yep. This happens every time these threads start up. Tranny jannies always shut it down.
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>>351849306 I was specifically implying indoor gardening which can yield good results with enough sunlight and proper watering. By your logic not even rural produce is free from pollution because the cities nearby affect the rainwater quality
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>>14040684 Yes, lame of that mod.. but theoretically, there should be the occasional reminder of the political and social reasons behind the need for a homesteading thread on /pol/.. resisting postmodern globohomo is the most important reason to strive and thrive against a sick and dying world system.
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what stupid fuck moved this thread? it's political as SHIT, and it's going to keep getting made, shlomo.>is coffee good for you can stay >how to actually implement your politics is "banter"
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>>351849332 >Or for $20 you can have the same. but i couldn't. That's the point.
>No, you do not need to do that but we did need to. I shared a rough outline of a useful technique and the benefits of using it. Not everything needs to be based on owning tractors, especially in the beginning of living on your own land growing your own food.
>All of which you get doing it every other way too. just without the use of machines.
>You are dependant on them anyways So there's no point in looking for ways to lessen that dependence? hmm. And of course, it's not about saving the cost of a liter of gas.
>Then prepare for that Indeed. Ive been sharing one way in which we are doing that. It's one less thing to worry about should that future come about, because we know how to get our land under production by hand. See how that works?
>spend your entire life doing pointless zero skill manual labor. Very strange response. Do you workout? go for runs? Those could also be called 'pointless manual labor', perhaps more so than digging ones garden by hand.
I recall you from these kinds of threads in past months and you do have good information to share. But you might want to take a look at your attitude and patterns of thinking. You make unfounded leaps and strange assumptions and are almost bizarrely antagonistic. We are not all talking about large scale agriculture. We all have to start somewhere, sometimes with limited money, and sometimes with visions for the future which will not allow us to have all the labor saving devices we can have now.
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I had to hide 20+ garbage slide threads until this one popped up and some tranny jannie already got to it.
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what can i do with old apples that are on the apple tree that froze and got a bit nasty? thinking of apple cider vinegar.
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>>14040804 they got rotten? Not sure. ferment for distillation maybe. Not made vinegar yet so im not sure if the off flavors will carry over to it.
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>>14040730 >>14040727 This happened to the /SIG/ threads too. Mods kept deleting them. Now /SIG/ threads are fused with /NSG/ threads in order to stay alive.
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>>14040780 >but i couldn't. That's the point. That's what makes it last resort. You are still trying to argue something we've agreed on half a dozen times. Why?
>So there's no point in looking for ways to lessen that dependence? You are not any less dependant, that's the point. Doing one thing without help when you will be unable to do all the other things you need to do without help doesn't make you less dependant.
>You make unfounded leaps and strange assumptions You are doing that. I literally quote exactly what I am responding to, and you invent something else to pretend I am responding to.
>and are almost bizarrely antagonistic. Responding to what your write is not antagonism.
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OP should have probably led with a provocative twitter screencap if he wanted the thread to survive.
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>>14040871 >That's what makes it last resort. my argument ws never that this method was the thing to do if you had easy or cheap access to machinery. I shared a way to easily and quickly get a garden going if you didn't. Again, you are seeing an argument that i never made.
>You are not any less dependant sure we are, because we have several thousand sqft of usable garden space, and are expanding it all the time, without needing anything more than a couple shovels. Ok, so i can't do a dozen other things without using outside sourced fuels or materials, but so what? This is one off the list. Some places you can't even buy gas without a vaxxpass already, so its nice that we don't need it to prepare the garden.
>you invent something i didn't invent anything. you invented the idea that im recommending everyone here should dig many acres by hand and thresh acres of grain by hand, when i said nothing of the sort. You read what i had to say about a good way for anons to quickly get their new land ready for planting (especially, like i said, if you get to your new place in the spring and have no time to worry about tractors etc). I also mentioned that in the future we may not have labor saving devices or fuel to run them.
Im honestly very tired of this conversation. It's demoralized me just interacting with you, and im the one who grows all his own produce for the year in his hand dug garden. Im coming at homesteading from a different perspective than you are, which doesn't seem to be acceptable to you, as are many anons here who just want a small plot to call their own. Don't demoralize them by adding yet another barrier to entry when it's far from necessary.
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>>14040730 >>14040782 They also delete silver threads like crazy no matter the context, but try to keep crypto threads up until the silver bros show up.
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>>14041357 Stop being fucking retarded. Just read the thread. You are absolutely inventing strawman nonsense to cry about like a plebbit faggot. None of the posts have been deleted, you can re-read them as many times as you need.
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>>14041600 mad shill is mad
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>making self-sustainability political. The absolute state of some people.
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NO MONEY+NO TOOLS+NO SKILLS= NO HOMESTEAD
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If they send the thread to Bant, then it threatens them.
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>>14041647 >t. farmerbro If just talking about going innawoods and raising chickens? Yes. If talking about the bigger picture, no.
Manifesto time.
Ask yourself WHY you want to do this. Is it to grow your own food? That's a worthy goal, with caveats. Is it to make money? That's a worthy goal, with caveats. Is it to get away from a toxic society and/or niggers? That's a worthy goal, with caveats. There is always a catch to all of this.
I am not a communist or socialist, but our capitalist sense of "self-reliance" or bust is what is fucking everyone over. Consider that every person in your neighborhood has a lawnmower (assuming they have lawns). How often are they used? This gets worse with riding lawnmowers due to the cost sink. What if each neighborhood had one enterprising kid with a very high quality riding mower and compensated that kid for his time? You now have a job created and more community efficiency.
Alternately, consider that every person has their own little postage stamp lawn, filled with largely the same shrubberies, flower beds, and trees. Maybe a few of them have a fruit tree or two, or are raising a few chickens in a coop/run that trashes their yard. Maybe a few others have a couple raised bed gardens. The labor and time involved in these projects is almost the same (or more) than if they did them at slightly larger benefit, and offer little to the neighborhood at large.
When you get to homesteading level (typically 10-20 acres is the maximum a single family can handle), you can self-sustain foodwise, but the hustle of making a profit on anything beyond smaller scale livestock projects makes the vast majority of ventures fail in that regard. The homestead next to you is doing the same thing. So is the one next to that. You're all duplicating work, equipment/tool investment, speciality ag projects, stress, and learning curves. It is MADNESS.
Think back to an early European villiage. People specialized.
>to be continued Anonymous
>>14043377 It didn't make sense for everyone to have a forge in their hovel in case they wanted nails or an occasional set of horseshoes. Not everyone had a brick stove for making bread, or equipment for making beer, the skill to make pastries, or had a milk cow or cheese cave. People found niches and traded within their community, with everyone reaping the benefits. This brought employment and income.
There is always a caveat. These villiages usually had a commons. The landscape wasn't a checkerboard of tiny landholdings, there were wide open spaces where a small group of people that specialize in animal husbandry would manage flocks for the villiage and the villiage's lord. The lord's job was to protect and provide for the needs of the villiage while defending them from ... well, niggers, In the meantime, they offered the commons so that larger, more efficient herds could be managed, and larger food crop projects could be streamlined.
Think about it: one chicken tractor on proper pasture can raise 30-60 birds. One layer tractor can net you over 2 dozen eggs a day. One milk cow produces 4-8 gallons of milk every day. The fuck reason does every homesteader need a milk cow, or 12 corn plants, or two apple trees. It's RETARDED. On top of this, literally everyone is replicating the efforts of their neighbors where if one person ran their operation at a larger scale ... on, say, THE COMMONS, the whole community could benefit from the one guy raising beef, or the one guy with a few dairy cows and a milking machine, or the dude that spends 30 minutes a day pulling a dozen chicken tractors around and provisioning them.
This is why the homesteading idea is doomed to failure despite having the best of intentions. The true goal shouldn't be becoming an isolated island, it should be forming a community.
>to be continued Anonymous
>>14043429 So how do you do this? You have two options, and both start with finding people you'd want to live in a community with. Then you acquire land, build housing, infrastructure, and utilities. The land should be arranged where the largest portion is designated a COMMONS for the community.
Land can be acquired a couple of ways. The first is everyone buying their own 10-20 acres. Your community will not last past the first generation, because as your children inherit, they will either be forced to sell to pay taxes, or be forced to sell to split the proceeds. This is how you get niggers. The second way is to set up a non-profit to manage ALL the land, housing, and infrastructure. Now, nobody can be bribed by kikes causing a nigger invasion. Choose a board structure so the community can't be steamrolled by a retard in the future. I argue that this system is vastly superior to our current "muh stuff/home/white picket fence/self-reliance" mentality.
Imagine 10-15 families working together in one way. One family manages the community orchard. A few tend larger-scale gardens between themselves. One manages pigs. One manages chickens. One does dairy, while another manages your cattle. (Fun fact: one person, if highly skilled, can run a herd of up to 500 pair by themselves!) One family runs and manages the hay crop. The list goes on.
Now, everyone can focus on a speciality and things become labor efficient while nobody loses out on the benefits they would have received running their own homestead. Furthermore, you now have community, whereas before you were often isolated due to time constraints. Many families could even retain outside work while STILL gaining all the benefits of a homestead-style life. Sounding comfy yet?
Consider if the community pooled their funds to the 501.c.3 and in return got to live on the land rent free? What if the utilities were free? What if the food grown by the community was free?
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>>14043618 With few exceptions, the specific community roles would be very part time. The few that aren't?
Imagine how much savings would be created for each individual family and the community as a whole? What if the excess resources were sold by one family that specialized in business and ag for the benefit of the 501.c.3? You need a tractor? Get a good one, and now everyone has a tractor. Need a woodshop? Build one on the commons, and stock it with everything you could need. Autoshop? Build a community garage complete with lifts and pneumatic tools, with a toolset that would make any mechanic jizz in their pants. You'd have the funds to EMPLOY and PAY the full-time folks. If everyone was doing this individually it would be burdensome, but if the community did it for each other, it becomes cheap with no loss of benefit.
When harvest time comes, you now have an army of labor to quickly harvest cops, can, and process them. Instead of everyone storing meat in small inefficient freezers, you could afford a grocery store scale walk-in for the community. Instead of multiple root cellars, you only need one big one. Your "grocery store" is automatically stocked by the very community growing the product. Everyone wins, every time.
In the meantime, that part-time work that people are doing on the outside is rapidly building wealth because your cost of living is essentially free. Guess what you do with that? Buy more land, build more houses and infrastructure, and give your kids a place to live. The empire grows. Think about what the average American pisses away on rents and mortgages, food, and basic utilities? Imagine being able to invest those thousands of dollars each month, and what that could compound to? You could double or triple the empire with every generation.
>to be continued Anonymous
In summation: people need to start reworking what their idea of "homesteading" could mean, based on what they truly want out of life If you want to live out a Little House on the Prairie fantasy, then do so. But for the majority of everyone else, there is a better way.
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>>14043736 There is a certain pride in doing something on your own and doing it well. Being able to enjoy the fruits of your labors is wonderful. You know what else is wonderful? Witnessing others enjoy the fruits of your labors, particularly when they are family or close friends.
Those kids on the playground? They are growing strong on your milk, or your butter, or your eggs, or your produce. Those kids will probably marry your kids, so you are still directly advancing your legacy. These are the kids they would homeschool coop with so the greatest minds of your tight-knit community can all share their expertise to everyone's benefit. When you look across your field of fucks, it will never be barren: you will see the fruits of your labor strengthen the very community that strengthens you. Imagine that feeling. Imagine that pride. This is the special sauce of Nataional Socialism: people wanted to work because they had pride in their volk and their fatherland, and that in no way detracted for individual pride. This is why people went apeshit for Uncle Adolf: he gave them a gift that neither capitalism, socialism, or communism could ever provide ... it was something that had largely vanished from the world: true community pride, and hope for an even greater future.
So ask yourself: what would you give to live in such a community? What would you sacrifice? What would you and your descendants gain? Is it worth it? If so, then why aren't you making it happen? Create your ethnostate, your Fourth Reich, your Garden of Eden, because it's right there waiting for you if you only have the courage to reach out and seize it.
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>>14039572 blessed thread. if you are still here, op, I want to tell you good luck in your endeavors. my dreams align very much with yours and i am glad to see like minded people like yourself. homesteading is an incredible thing that benefits health and spirit of those who do it and provides for both oneself and ones own. it will unironically make you into a better man and I hope for the good people of /pol/ a chance in doing it.
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