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In the previous thread, we covered a lot of ground:
>>390913464
However, a lot of people continue to miss the main point, or misread the argument. I'll try to explain this more clearly - the argument for anti-natalism does NOT depend upon the condition of our reality. Our reality may be nice or shitty at a given point in time. Natalism might empower certain groups within our reality, and anti-natalism might disempower others. That's entirely possible. But it's not relevant. Anti-natalism is concerned with the properties of the system as a whole.
We can surmise that this current system (the one we inhabit) allows for many outcomes which are 'bad' as opposed to 'good.' The actual expressed ratio of good:bad things is not important; what matters is that the POTENTIAL for bad things is embedded into our reality, and cannot be removed. Therefore, it is preferable not to expose new lives to that potential. That's the foundation of anti-natalism.
A lot of people seem to have a very hard time thinking outside of our current system/reality. But that's what actually matters here. Lives not yet in being are outside of this reality, so far as we know. Bringing them into being brings them into this reality. This automatically and unavoidably exposes those lives to the negative possibilities described above. Whether or not those possibilities actually manifest is irrelevant, since the argument is based on the potential itself, rather than specific conditions inside of the system.
>SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST KILL YOURSELF!!!
This is an appallingly bad argument, and if you are still thinking in those terms, you simply don't understand what is being said about abstract potential vs. the circumstances of a given reality.
>>390913464
However, a lot of people continue to miss the main point, or misread the argument. I'll try to explain this more clearly - the argument for anti-natalism does NOT depend upon the condition of our reality. Our reality may be nice or shitty at a given point in time. Natalism might empower certain groups within our reality, and anti-natalism might disempower others. That's entirely possible. But it's not relevant. Anti-natalism is concerned with the properties of the system as a whole.
We can surmise that this current system (the one we inhabit) allows for many outcomes which are 'bad' as opposed to 'good.' The actual expressed ratio of good:bad things is not important; what matters is that the POTENTIAL for bad things is embedded into our reality, and cannot be removed. Therefore, it is preferable not to expose new lives to that potential. That's the foundation of anti-natalism.
A lot of people seem to have a very hard time thinking outside of our current system/reality. But that's what actually matters here. Lives not yet in being are outside of this reality, so far as we know. Bringing them into being brings them into this reality. This automatically and unavoidably exposes those lives to the negative possibilities described above. Whether or not those possibilities actually manifest is irrelevant, since the argument is based on the potential itself, rather than specific conditions inside of the system.
>SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST KILL YOURSELF!!!
This is an appallingly bad argument, and if you are still thinking in those terms, you simply don't understand what is being said about abstract potential vs. the circumstances of a given reality.
