>>17380479its probably true, they might genuinely be giving good advice, and i'm probably no better than either of them, like most people here.
however, needing help doesnt change that we're inherently despicable people, loathe people, make fun of them on the internet and behind their backs, and ignore the things that could help us in favor of more disgusting things.
everyone i've met so far that used to be an incel and this website have grown into fairly decent men, i know them through the church, they have high paying jobs, trouble with women, hobbies, land, but despite their inability to form a family, they seem happier than most people at that age.
they're all slightly older than me since i'm only 19, but i imagine thats how my life will be after college too
so really, do we need to follow the sigma grindset?