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Atheism

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:16:22 No.17923202 View View Reply Original Report

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>All my family members died in peace believing in God and that they were going to paradise

>I must die in horror, knowing the truth, that none of that is real

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:17:18 No.17923203 Report

Quoted By: >>17923205

>>17923202
Knowing based on what? How did you confirm this truth?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:22:42 No.17923204 Report

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>>17923202
The illusion of the divine is a mere tool of mass control. The truth would bring an unmanageable fear of nihilism to mortals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:25:11 No.17923205 Report

Quoted By: >>17923206 >>17923233

>>17923203
Once you analyze nature, you realize that Atheism is the truth. The Universe fits an Atheistic model perfectly.

>But where da Universe come frum

Not a creator God, it didn't come from anywhere, it's not made of anything, energy isn't made of anything, the sum total positive and negative energy in the universe is zero, it's an illusion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:28:02 No.17923206 Report

Quoted By: >>17923207 >>17923209

>>17923205
>The Universe fits an Atheistic model perfectly.
Except, of course, for the Universe's existence.
>it didn't come from anywhere
This is not a model.
>>it's an illusion
Well at least part of your model approximates theism. Aka the truth.

The world sure seems to fit the secular view if you just ignore half of the questions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:36:18 No.17923207 Report

Quoted By: >>17923208

>>17923206
>the Universe's existence

Explain what existence is and what energy is made of. Also explain what God is made of. God juice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:38:16 No.17923208 Report

Quoted By: >>17923210

>>17923207
>what God is made of
God isn't made up of anything. Else it wouldn't be God.
>Explain what existence is and what energy is made of
In what terms? Lol every explanation you recognize is "things/events are made of smaller things/events". You even projected it to God. We don't share words that would bridge this gap in your prejudice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:39:06 No.17923209 Report

Quoted By: >>17923211

>>17923206
>This is not a model

Yes it is. The Universe and time began to exist at the moment of the Big Bang. There was no time before it, so a God wouldn't have "time" to think thoughts and design a Universe.

>God is outside of time
This is not a model. No such thing as outside time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:40:33 No.17923210 Report

Quoted By: >>17923212

>>17923208
>God isn't made up of anything.

The Universe isn't made of anything. You think it's made of something because you can "see" it? That is just an illusion happing in your consciousness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:44:23 No.17923211 Report

Quoted By: >>17923213

>>17923209
>Just take existence for granted
This is not a model.
>>God is outside of time
>This is not a model.
Well since it does actually attempt to model reality, it actually is. Is the definition of a model what gave you trouble with the first greentext?
>No such thing as outside time.
Sure there is! Many quantum phenomena are not subject to what we know as time.
But let's grant you the exact (false) thing you are arguing - there is no "outside" time. We know time is relative. Aka conditional. It hence cannot be fundamental reality, which affects and is not affected. Your model misses this entire layer. And it cannot do otherwise.

The biggest benefit of your model is that it takes so many things for granted, you can pretty much just kick your feet up and focus on why waves jiggle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:45:29 No.17923212 Report

Quoted By: >>17923214

>>17923210
When you reach the "obvious things are illusions", you're on par with solipsists and can be safely removed from the discussion. Nothing from this batch is useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:48:53 No.17923213 Report

Quoted By: >>17923215

>>17923211
God isn't real, sorry. We know this because nature shows that we are just a product of evolution by natural selection. We are meaningless animals, and it shows. All you have to do is look at human nature, we are not a divine creation. The Universe is a radiation filled pointless wasteland, it is not the "design" of a super intelligence. It's all exactly how you would imagine if there was no God behind any of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:49:55 No.17923214 Report

Quoted By: >>17923216

>>17923212
>muh god magic did it

Next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:51:52 No.17923215 Report

Quoted By: >>17923218

>>17923213
>I came from monke
>Hence no God
Of course lol. Just a couple hours ago a thread was made to mock this line of "argumentation", maybe you should be aware.
>we are meaningless animals
Source? That you don't have a meaning measuring machine?
>All you have to do is look at human nature
Says the most nature-isolated generation to the thousands of years of nautre-dwelling theists.
>It's all exactly how you would imagine if there was no God behind any of it.
Orderly? Teleological? Beautiful? Yeah... no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:52:54 No.17923216 Report

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>>17923214
The post didn't even mention God lmaooo
Trying hard, are we?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:55:01 No.17923217 Report

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>>17923202
Truth is hard, fantasy is easy. You’ll gain the strength my friend

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 19:57:55 No.17923218 Report

Quoted By: >>17923220

>>17923215
You just have peasant brain anon, don’t worry about big questions like this.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:00:11 No.17923219 Report

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>>17923202
Death is just another adventure anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:03:41 No.17923220 Report

Quoted By: >>17923221 >>17923223

>>17923218
>We are meaningless
>You just have peasant brain
No comment lmao

>>15236810
Dead matter keeps consistnetly orienting itself towards life, consciousness and bliss. Where are you missing a plan?

>>15236817
Ah, bet. I'm an atheist now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:07:55 No.17923221 Report

Quoted By: >>17923222

>>17923220
In the sense of the stars, space, rocks, water, ice, planets and moons? No, they do not care about you. The animals don’t even care about your life.
The only things in the universe that care about you are some people in your life and maybe your pets.
The only thing that gives meaning to your life is your own brain and the people that care about you.
I know that’s too much for a lot of people to handle and that’s fine, but it’s true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:10:22 No.17923222 Report

Quoted By: >>17923225 >>17923227

>>15236857
Do better then.

>>17923221
I don't require moons to care about me, what an odd argument to make...
>The only thing that gives meaning to your life is your own brain
False. Meaning is hermeneutic, not a mere one-line product. I know it's difficult to be technical about things when your entire position relies on sentimental "ohh the cold silence of the universe woe is me" romanticism, but I guess we'll talk past each other until you get serious about your arguments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:12:39 No.17923223 Report

Quoted By: >>17923224

>>17923220
There is nothing divine about humankind. We're just apes that can do math and build things, probably to our own destruction because the stupid ape part of us is too powerful to overcome. Sorry, this is not the intelligent design of any god. I don't buy it for a second. Atheism is the truth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:13:28 No.17923224 Report

Quoted By: >>17923226

>>17923223
>non-sequitur
>sentimental appeal
>truth
You betcha, pastor!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:15:04 No.17923225 Report

Quoted By: >>17923228

>>17923222
>Do better then.

>You don't like God's pile of shit? Let's see you do better!

I wouldn't have created a Universe in the first place if I was a perfect divine being. Why would I need anything more than my own self if I was already perfection?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:17:24 No.17923226 Report

Quoted By: >>17923228

>>17923224
There is no God. I'm sorry you've resorted to believing in fairy tales, but not everyone was born a thinker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:18:02 No.17923227 Report

Quoted By: >>17923228

>>17923222
It’s not “woe is me” philosophy. I don’t have that problem when I think about meaning in my life not being outsourced because it comes from our own brains, that’s your personal problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:21:16 No.17923228 Report

Quoted By: >>17923229 >>17923235

>>17923225
Nobody implied a need.

>>17923226
>non-sequitur
>sentimental appeal
>truth
>....
>by a thinker
Youuuu betcha!

>>17923227
It is in the sentimental sense. Because the "philosophy" presented above really just is built on a handful of sentimental appeals. If meaning comes from the brain, make your life so meaningful you're never depressed. Easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:23:06 No.17923229 Report

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>>17923228
>If meaning comes from the brain, make your life so meaningful you're never depressed. Easy.
Yeah exactly you got it man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:26:05 No.17923230 Report

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ALLAH

ALLAH

ALLAH

KILL UNBELIEVERS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:29:27 No.17923231 Report

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>>17923202

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:31:36 No.17923232 Report

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>>17923202
Well they died thinking that they were about to go to some paradise. I don’t see why that would hurt you, the lights just went out.

Now if they were Christian and they wasted their life hating themselves for being born human or not having sex or making money because of a cosmic boogeyman then yeah that would be sad.
But in that case Christians and Christianity are to blame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:34:40 No.17923233 Report

Quoted By: >>17923234

>>17923202
>>17923205
Why do you think the pursuit of knowledge has ended and this profoundly mysterious and poorly understood concept such as mortality is revealed to you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:36:11 No.17923234 Report

Quoted By: >>17923242

>>17923233
Not him but pursuit of knowledge hadn’t ended. That being said the existence of heaven is from mythology and obviously not true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:40:37 No.17923235 Report

Quoted By: >>17923236

>>17923228
I will go to my death rejecting the idea of God.

It's not compatible with what we observe in nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:42:23 No.17923236 Report

Quoted By: >>17923238

>>17923235
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:48:32 No.17923237 Report

Quoted By: >>17923240

>>17923202
Why knowing that none of that is real would bring you horror?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:48:39 No.17923238 Report

Quoted By: >>17923243 >>17923258 >>17923263

>>17923236
Atheism to the end. I tip my fedora to you all.

Jesus was just a liar and Paul was a conman. Together they formed the most horrific church that has spread misery and false hope across the planet. I reject it all.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:48:48 No.17923239 Report

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>>17923202
>all my family members died under duress believing they were going to see the titanic

>I must go to the blink-182 concert

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:54:48 No.17923240 Report

Quoted By: >>17923241

>>17923237
Because I don't know what will happen after I die. I know for sure that my body will decompose and I will never be seen again. Maybe I go to the eternal void or maybe my consciousness is reborn in another being in an even worse world than this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:56:32 No.17923241 Report

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>>17923240
What most likely happens according to the evidence is that you just fade out and that’s it. Supposedly people who have gone to the brink of death with their brain losing oxygen and consciousness say it’s very peaceful

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:58:27 No.17923242 Report

Quoted By: >>17923244 >>17923245

>>17923234
You wouldnt know if Heaven or something Heavenly or Heaven like is real, the fact illiterate primitives universally claimed its existence means its more likely that knowledge was lost over time and it is something real.

dont reply to me if youre going to nitpick
I am concerned with the finer details, I just think it borders on ignorance to say there is nothing just because we dont know something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:59:25 No.17923243 Report

Quoted By: >>17923248

>>17923238
>Jesus was just a liar and Paul was a conman.
Proof? Watch, I'm gonna show you that your objections to Christ aren't as intellectual as you think they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 20:59:28 No.17923244 Report

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>>17923242
not*concerned with the finer details.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:01:02 No.17923245 Report

Quoted By: >>17923247

>>17923242
>the fact illiterate primitives universally claimed its existence
They literally didn’t. But it makes sense and a popular story to stave off the fear of unknown after death. “Oh you go to a happy place”
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:01:17 No.17923246 Report

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I kinda wish and hope to really die and stop existing but maybe its just me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:03:55 No.17923247 Report

Quoted By: >>17923253

>>17923245
They literally claimed there were realms beyond the immediate and physical.
>stave off the fear of unknown after death
this is a low IQ take, animals dont have this fear
atheists usually dont have this fear
its only ever apostates who think like this.
>le happy place
Hel or Gehenna does not sound like a 'happy' place despite that being where the vast majority of people saw themselves as going, just by example.

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:04:55 No.17923248 Report

Quoted By: >>17923250

>>17923243
>PROOF?!! PROOOOOF??!!!!
>YOU CANT DISPROVE GOD SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO HIMSELF TO SAVE YOU FROM HIMSELF!!! PLEASE ME TAKE THIS CUP FROM MY HAND IF IT BE MY WILL!! MYSELF MYSELF WHY HAVE I FORSAKE MEEEE!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:05:59 No.17923249 Report

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>>17923202
The reverse would be more horrifying: being the only believer in your family and believing they're going to be tortured forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:06:57 No.17923250 Report

Quoted By: >>17923251 >>17923252

>>17923248
>/r/atheism reddittheist meme thinking christians are modalists
Well, I guess you didn't really need any help revealing your own ignorance. You're practically doing my job for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:09:06 No.17923251 Report

Quoted By: >>17923254

>>17923250
Are the Father and Son not the same 1 God?

You believe they are 2 separate Gods?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:10:10 No.17923252 Report

Quoted By: >>17923254

>>17923250
God sacrificed God to God to save you from the wrath of God

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:11:28 No.17923253 Report

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>>17923247
>hey literally claimed there were realms beyond the immediate and physical
Yeah it’s called imagination.

Christians do fear death by the way. They magnet study some of you cite to claim turning off parts of your brain makes you atheist specifically was an experiment where the fear of death in the brain was targeted by magnets and it made people less religious.

Happy afterlives are literally coping with the fear of death.
It’s truly the copiest cope of them all

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:13:01 No.17923254 Report

Quoted By: >>17923256 >>17923257 >>17923269

>>17923251
Same God, different hypostase.
>>17923252
Eeeenope!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:16:19 No.17923255 Report

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>>17923202
I hate this stupid meme. Real believers fear going to Hell.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:23:56 No.17923256 Report

Quoted By: >>17923259

>>17923254
>ITS A DIFFERENT HYPOSTAAAAASE!!! OH GOD IM HYPOSTASING!!!

So exactly what I said, God asked God why he forsook himself.

>NOOOOOO!!! YOURE MAKING IT SOUND STUPID! NO NO NO NO!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:27:12 No.17923257 Report

Quoted By: >>17923259

>>17923254
So Jesus (God) didn't sacrifice himself to Father (God)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:28:00 No.17923258 Report

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>>17923238
>Paul was a conman

Paul was sent specifically to destroy the Nazarenes' philosophy because the Pharisees were THAT butthurt

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:31:56 No.17923259 Report

Quoted By: >>17923261 >>17923262

>>17923256
You're... kind of a pseud. I'm not interested anymore.
>>17923257
TO God? No. He sacrificed himself for humanity, and the Father acknowledged that sacrifice as sufficient atonement .

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:34:11 No.17923260 Report

Quoted By: >>17923265

>>17923202
do you really want to live forever in a "paradise" created by a being that sent people to never-ending suffering for nothing but not believing in him (without having given them evidence)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:34:13 No.17923261 Report

Quoted By: >>17923266

>>17923259
>I'm not interested anymore.

Hahahaha, as soon as I bring up how stupid the Trinity is, you bail.

Oh man, don't go, you almost had me convinced! Hypostase me again!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:37:20 No.17923262 Report

Quoted By: >>17923267

>>17923259
>He sacrificed himself
To who?

>And the Father acknowledged
So to the Father

He was an animal sacrifice to the Father. The slain lamb. Jewish blood magic.

This is what you believe in hahahahahaha! Fuck off!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:38:25 No.17923263 Report

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>>17923238
Judaism and Islam are even worse

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:55:14 No.17923264 Report

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Im mostly an atheist but the real truth is that we dont know anything about anything.
I reject christianity, all religions in fact because they dont makes sense to me.
My cup of tea are the ancient schizo greeks.
I think this existence matters, and its real as it gets. I think nature wants us to care about our environment, animals, plants and so on.
I think..inner beauty is extremely important, its the most important thing, it goes beyond God itself.
Its above everything.
There is some magic out there, I dont think its all static and boring.

Thanks for reading my blog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 21:56:17 No.17923265 Report

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>>17923260
The truest torture is cultivating a lifetime of compassion just to know while you revel in eternal bliss there are those, many of whom you loved, that are writhing forever in hellfire

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:00:33 No.17923266 Report

Quoted By: >>17923267 >>17923268

>>17923261
>Hahahaha, as soon as I bring up how stupid the Trinity is,
...with a basedjack.

>To who?
To nobody. If I sacrifice myself to save children from a fire, who am I sacrificing myself to?

>He was an animal sacrifice to the Father. The slain lamb. Jewish blood magic.
If he was an animal sacrifice to the Father, who sacrificed him? Animals don't sacrifice themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:01:34 No.17923267 Report

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>>17923266
>>17923262

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:03:07 No.17923268 Report

Quoted By: >>17923270

>>17923266
And how does getting yourself nailed to a piece of wood help save anybody? It's Jewish blood magic. The Father was pleased with his human blood sacrifice.

You are a cult of human sacrifice and your drink your cult leader's blood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:04:14 No.17923269 Report

Quoted By: >>17923270

>>17923254
>UH UH LOOK AT MY MADE UP WORD TO JUSTIFY MY RELIGION WOWWWWWW

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:08:23 No.17923270 Report

Quoted By: >>17923271 >>17923272 >>17923274 >>17923276

>>17923268
>And how does getting yourself nailed to a piece of wood help save anybody? It's Jewish blood magic.
Because it was an act of supernatural love. As Jesus said, there is no greater love than to sacrifice one's self for his friends, a concept that a spineless, limp-wristed reddittheist like you could never comprehend. The Father saw this act of love, and acknowledged it as sufficient propitiation on our behalf.

>>17923269
>UH UH LOOK AT MY MADE UP WORD TO JUSTIFY MY RELIGION WOWWWWWW
Anon, I'm not sure if you recognize this, but ALL words are made up. Like "ultratarded," which is a word I just made up to describe how retarded you are since no other word could sufficiently encompass that fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:11:21 No.17923271 Report

Quoted By: >>17923273

>>17923270
It wasn't an act of love. Jesus told Peter that the Messiah must be killed. He had to do it no matter what. Blood sacrifice was the only way to please the Father, because God loves blood sacrifices. And Jesus had the most powerful blood of all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:13:28 No.17923272 Report

Quoted By: >>17923277

>>17923270
>BRO ALL WORDS ARE MADE UP YOU CAN'T DRAW IT DOWN TO MY SPECIFIC WORD MADE SPECIFICALLY TO JUSTIFY MY SPECIFIC RELIGION DUHHHHHHHHHHH

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:14:01 No.17923273 Report

Quoted By: >>17923275

>>17923271
>It wasn't an act of love. Jesus told Peter that the Messiah must be killed. He had to do it no matter what.
Are you insinuating that Jesus did not sacrifice himself freely? I just want you to confirm this so I can bury you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:14:20 No.17923274 Report

Quoted By: >>17923280

>>17923270
Jesus antagonized the Pharisees and refused to explain exactly who he was except for mumbling "I am" once in a while, or how the Trinity worked, and broke the Sabbath and a bunch of laws because he was baiting them into killing him for blasphemy so that the blood sacrifice would be a success. It wasn't about love.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:17:34 No.17923275 Report

Quoted By: >>17923280

>>17923273
He sacrificed himself of his own will, but he knew it was the only way to please his cruel Father. He also didn't really have a choice, because he knows the future, so he knew he was going to do it, he knows the future of his own actions. Bury a dick in your ass, Christcuck faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:18:03 No.17923276 Report

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>>17923270
>all words are made up
true for the bible, quran, torah or whatever flavor of bullhshittery you were indoctrinated into

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:18:23 No.17923277 Report

Quoted By: >>17923278 >>17923282

>>17923272
>>BRO ALL WORDS ARE MADE UP YOU CAN'T DRAW IT DOWN TO MY SPECIFIC WORD MADE SPECIFICALLY TO JUSTIFY MY SPECIFIC RELIGION DUHHHHHHHHHHH
...you do realize that the word 'hypostasis' is a Greek word and not a Christian invention, right? Dude, you're a kid. Just scram already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:19:24 No.17923278 Report

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>>17923277
You're talking to like 4 different people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:21:07 No.17923279 Report

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God is not real. I rest my case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:24:16 No.17923280 Report

Quoted By: >>17923281

>>17923275
>He sacrificed himself of his own will,
>He also didn't really have a choice,

Are you many? It's like the demon inside of you is wrestling with your mind, preventing you from producing a coherent thought.

>>17923274
>Jesus antagonized the Pharisees
How?
and refused to explain exactly who he was
He did, though.
>and broke the Sabbath and a bunch of laws because he was baiting them into killing him for blasphemy so that the blood sacrifice would be a success.
He didn't break a single law.
>It wasn't about love.
Yes, it was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:38:31 No.17923281 Report

Quoted By: >>17923283

>>17923280
You don't seem to know your own Bible. Have you ever read it?

He has a will, but his will conforms to the future he can foresee. So he knew he was going to sacrifice himself according to his will that he foresaw. It's a paradox you idiot. How can God see the future? That means he would see what he himself is doing in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:38:59 No.17923282 Report

Quoted By: >>17923283

>>17923277
>DUH YOU REALIZE HYPOSTASIS IS GREEK DUH THE GREEKS HAVE NEVER INVENTED WORDS DUHHHHHHHHHHH OH WAIT THE FIRST GOSPELS WERE WRITTEN IN ARAMAIC AND GREEK AND ALL THEIR WORDS WERE DIRECT FROM GOD AND NOT INVENTED DURRRRRRR

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:50:39 No.17923283 Report

Quoted By: >>17923284 >>17923285 >>17923286

>>17923281
>He has a will, but his will conforms to the future he can foresee. So he knew he was going to sacrifice himself according to his will that he foresaw. It's a paradox you idiot. How can God see the future? That means he would see what he himself is doing in the future.

You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? God doesn't see the future, he's already IN the future. He's present at all points in temporal space because he himself is TIMELESS.

Foolish reddittheist.

>>17923282
Okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 22:51:30 No.17923284 Report

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>>17923283
>Okay

That's what I thought nerd brush up on your theology before you flex on /his/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 23:08:20 No.17923285 Report

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>>17923283
If he's in the future then Jesus already knew he was going to sacrifice himself because his future self did.

Did you think this through?

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 23:12:33 No.17923286 Report

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>>17923283
How does God have thoughts? Don't thoughts take time to flow linearly from beginning of thought to end? What is a "timeless" thought or timeless action. What you are describing is logically impossible.

>God is outside logic
>God is outside X
>God is outside Y
>God is anything I need him to be to say I'm right
>No, I've never seen or experienced God but I know he's real cus uuuh I JUST DO OK!!!

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 23:13:36 No.17923287 Report

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>>17923285
>If he's in the future then Jesus already knew he was going to sacrifice himself because his future self did.

And what would prevent Jesus from changing his course of action in light of his future self?

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2023 23:14:53 No.17923288 Report

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>>17923286
>How does God have thoughts? Don't thoughts take time to flow linearly from beginning of thought to end? What is a "timeless" thought or timeless action. What you are describing is logically impossible.
When did I say that God has thoughts? You're fighting ghosts. God is a fully actualized entity; he does not experience change at all.

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