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Why are computer parts getting bigger now?

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 12:56:19 No.18563816 View View Reply Original Report

Has technology reached the wall?

sage

sage Wed 30 Aug 2023 12:57:55 No.18563817 Report

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>>18563816
incompetency in academic and research positions

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 12:59:04 No.18563818 Report

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>>18563816
>greek flag

Because nvidia needed to make the cards seem worth the price so they increased the heatsink size even though the 4090 is more efficient than the 3090 which is half the size. The rest of the 4000 series have massively oversized heatsinks for the same reason.

We're returning to boomer marketing era of stagnation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:00:03 No.18563819 Report

Quoted By: >>18563829 >>18563835 >>18563870 >>18563872 >>18563891 >>18563895 >>18563901

>>18563816
Moores law no longer applies in its original form. We are still shrinking transistor sizes but the rate of shrink has slowed dramatically to the point where its almost flat. That means in order to pack in more transistors, which you need for more performance, then you have to make the chips physically bigger. That produces more heat and makes them much more expensive

We have also flattened out in terms of frequency. Non boost clocks have been very close to flat for the last 6-7 years

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:00:48 No.18563820 Report

Quoted By: >>18563826 >>18563837 >>18563840

>>18563816
a lot of that hardware is probably not what people think it is. intel processors, for example, have intel management engine. it has its own os, its own network stack, its own networking capabilities, and is literally a hardware based trojan built right into your processors. amd has something like that too. no doubt, at all, that these giant gpus are probably mostly being utilized by gov.
with ime you can't even read packets being sent back and forth in wireshark, or scan it with nmap. but you can detect the radio signals. there's a ton of information available, it's worth looking into if you don't already know about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:00:53 No.18563821 Report

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you could fry an egg on that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:01:17 No.18563822 Report

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>>18563818
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:01:30 No.18563823 Report

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>>18563816
Tiny bannany

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:02:16 No.18563824 Report

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>>18563818
Heatsink size is proportional to TDP you clown. This is boomer level stupidity

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:02:50 No.18563825 Report

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>>18563816
We're approaching the limits of miniaturization so bigger modules are needed to increase the performance. That and cooling systems needed are getting huge to prevent the whole thing from melting on itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:03:48 No.18563826 Report

Quoted By: >>18563833 >>18563856

>>18563820
Thats been the case for at least 16 years dude. Its not new

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:04:26 No.18563827 Report

Quoted By: >>18563830 >>18563869

>>18563818
>massively oversized heatsinks
>450W TDP

funny, they are actually undersized when you compare them how big CPU heatsinks are and what TDP they have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:06:14 No.18563828 Report

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>>18563816
There has been no significant technological breakthroughs since Tesla used the field to split the coil as opposed to the coil splitting the field. Things will only continue to worsen as true innovators die off and modern tech becomes 100% chinks and pajeets standing on the shoulders of great white innovations. Tech people today don’t even understand their own creations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:06:38 No.18563829 Report

Quoted By: >>18563850

>>18563819
they can be made a lot smaller, but yeah.. heat is an issue. the real advancements in the near future will be more efficient coding and mathematics discovered by ai. there's already new methods of matrix math thanks to ai. with phenomena like in context learning, there's most likely vast treasure troves of advancements that have already been found but that we haven't been able to output. anyone at all interested in ai should read about in context learning.
>https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.15661

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:08:36 No.18563830 Report

Quoted By: >>18563836

>>18563824
>>18563827
Those are inflated numbers. The card is capable of 650W or something if you manually OC it, but the stock power draw is actually lower than the 3090. The 4080 uses the exact same heatsink despite being nowhere near that power draw. Even the 4070ti has a bigger heatsink than the 3090 despite being <300W.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:08:56 No.18563831 Report

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>>18563816

heat

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:10:16 No.18563832 Report

Quoted By: >>18563844

>>18563816
trust the soÿience crowd is getting nervous for advancements and are latching onto anything. Even fakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:10:29 No.18563833 Report

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>>18563826
Longer than 16 years and you're correct, it's not new. No one mentioned anything about new or old, "dude".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:13:15 No.18563834 Report

Quoted By: >>18563887

>>18563816
GPUs and PC/the community in general are so souless now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:14:39 No.18563835 Report

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>>18563819
Huge cards have been there for a while. I remember some GeForce GTX 1080 being this big. And also the "why don't you put more gfx cards in your PC?" attitude since SLI.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:15:35 No.18563836 Report

Quoted By: >>18563896 >>18564414

>>18563830
>Those are inflated numbers
no
the 4090 (which the 450W TDP is from) actually surpasses that quite easily under normal conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:22:49 No.18563837 Report

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>>18563820
>intel processors, for example, have intel management engine. it has its own os, its own network stack, its own networking capabilities, and is literally a hardware based trojan built right into your processors.
EVERY chip is like that now. Even FPGAs, which a lot of people try to use as "secure" systems since you have flash your own processor design. They ALL have some kind of "management system" built in now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:34:09 No.18563838 Report

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>>18563816
exponential gains in computing power have been negated by factorial losses in program quality...i blame the pajeets

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:38:29 No.18563839 Report

Quoted By: >>18563847 >>18563857

>>18563816
>why are computer parts getting bigger compared to bananas
They arent.
Bananas are getting smaller.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:39:22 No.18563840 Report

Quoted By: >>18563842

>>18563820
Run wireshark/tcpdump on your router and it'll show you all the packets, guaranteed. There probably just aren't any. If you're paranoid get a pcie NIC and stop using the onboard one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:41:57 No.18563841 Report

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>>18563816
Gaming hardware has massively outpaced what developers can do for graphics, current gen has no Crysis equivalent
People don't realize this if you make bigger and bigger cards

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:43:34 No.18563842 Report

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>>18563840
PCI-E NIC wont help in most cases. If its controller is made by Intel, realtek, broadcomm or mellanox / nvidia then the IME and Pluton will still bus master them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:44:30 No.18563843 Report

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i think so, the new gpus are horribly inefficient technology, not to even mention that 99.9% of modern games are garbage

they are producing tons of heat, which is a complete waste of energy
then you need to add very loud jet turbines to cool them down a bit, which also need power

it's nonsense and extremely bad engineering

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:46:09 No.18563844 Report

Quoted By: >>18563846

>>18563832
all of the real white men have been chased out of stem fields and replaced with basedience midwits

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:46:44 No.18563845 Report

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I have a 4080 The big fan on top doesn't always run. GPU runs 37C most of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:47:01 No.18563846 Report

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>>18563844
sorry soÿience midwits

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:50:56 No.18563847 Report

Quoted By: >>18563849

>>18563839
>Bananas are getting smaller.
When you see british women

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:51:42 No.18563848 Report

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>>18563816
Chips on gpus/cpus are getting smaller in semiconductor size, but the more they can in into a chip just means it can consume more power. More power =more heat= needing bigger heat sinks. You don't get to have more computing power while consuming less power.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:52:31 No.18563849 Report

Quoted By: >>18563851

>>18563847

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:52:58 No.18563850 Report

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>>18563829
I unironically know the real problem and technically not heat and I also know the solution, but not spreading.
If only I was rich enough to create a factory for every idea that I have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:53:08 No.18563851 Report

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>>18563849
Banana got bigger again

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:53:28 No.18563852 Report

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I just refurbished my galaxy s8 active. Screen looks on par if not better than office pajeet's brand new cia goyphone. Have an audio jack, he doesn't. Mobile gaming is a meme so processor is adequate for whatever I need. Less need to charge phone as power requirements are slim. Tech peaked a decade ago.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:53:47 No.18563853 Report

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>>18563818
>increased the size to make it seem worth the money
That's a tactic as old as economics itself.

Many Chinese and Asian manufacturers put lead or steel weights inside of lightweight and cheap electronics in order to make them feel more substantial.

The padded block inside of this Chinese knockoff Apple USB charger (picrel) is a solid piece of steel. Without it, the charger weighs just a few grams. Weight is a signal of quality in the (subconscious and vapid) mind of the average consoomer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:55:00 No.18563854 Report

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>>18563816
We are approaching the limit of transistor size but the dies are still the same size as they were 10 years ago. The current size increase is because of of bigger cooling needs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:55:35 No.18563855 Report

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>>18563817
>incompetency in academic and research positions
In everything.

https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:55:37 No.18563856 Report

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>>18563826
whats your point? do you work for the government? do they pay you to post specifically if someone points that out?

youre pretty suspicious bruh you got a liscence for that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:56:07 No.18563857 Report

Quoted By: >>18563863

>>18563839
I've searched for this dude on jewtube because of you posting this reaction image all the time kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 13:59:04 No.18563858 Report

Quoted By: >>18563862

>>18563818
The 4090Ti was canceled because it was melting. The 4000 series is anything but efficient.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:00:10 No.18563859 Report

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>>18563816
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>SAGE AND REPORT

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STOP REPLYING TO THIS SPAMMER'S OFF TOPIC THREADS

>SAGE AND REPORT

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STOP REPLYING TO THIS SPAMMER'S OFF TOPIC THREADS

>SAGE AND REPORT

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STOP REPLYING TO THIS SPAMMER'S OFF TOPIC THREADS

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Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:01:22 No.18563860 Report

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>>18563816
Yes. Most of the heat is internal now as process noded have gotten so small.

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:03:22 No.18563861 Report

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>>18563816
This isn't even remotely close to what limit of PC cooling could look like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:04:19 No.18563862 Report

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>>18563858
No it wasnt. The planned 4090 Ti used the same die as the H100. The H100 sells for a minimum of $10K, a 4090 Ti would have maxed out at $2K. Why sell for $2K when you can sell for $10K. Thats why no 4090 Ti

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:04:28 No.18563863 Report

Quoted By: >>18563879

>>18563857
Kek im glad to hear that. Hes a proper northern fat lad whose landed his dream job eating food. Thats why hes so cheerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:05:16 No.18563864 Report

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>>18563816
It take a metric fuckton of computing power to render your mom in 4K, OP.
Now go suck a dick or ten.

The Great White Chad Shoplifter

The Great White Chad Shoplifter Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:06:02 No.18563865 Report

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>>18563816
Because of people like me. Sorry bro, nothing personal, just business and fighting the big box jew in real life rather than just crying online about it like you guys all do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:06:16 No.18563866 Report

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Technology was never some infinite wellspring of unending improvement, only some deluded cultists believe as such.
That said, pretending to know its limits is folly too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:06:47 No.18563867 Report

Quoted By: >>18563871

>>18563816
what about SSDs? those things are tiny as fuck compared to an old HDD

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:07:25 No.18563868 Report

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>>18563816
You’re getting smaller

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:08:26 No.18563869 Report

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>>18563827
A CPU die is a lot smaller than a GPU die so it's harder to pull that heat away fast enough. GPUs also use a fair bit of their power draw on memory which is even more surface area to pull the heat from

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:09:03 No.18563870 Report

Quoted By: >>18563874 >>18563877

>>18563819
The universe is infinite in scalability. There's no such thing as hitting a ground level of size, they can go subatomic. They're just lazy and make excuses

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:09:06 No.18563871 Report

Quoted By: >>18563881

>>18563867
Old HDD were the size of living rooms, what are you v talking about you millennial cum stain

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:09:14 No.18563872 Report

Quoted By: >>18563874

>>18563819
It still applies our rnd is just run by niggers and poojeets who cant figure it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:10:52 No.18563873 Report

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>>18563816
no it's lack of free market competition that does that
by the way this card can literally break your PCI slot and normies are ok with that
i'd get myself a AMD card but i am too poor plus i don't have use for it so 2200G is enuff for me now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:12:30 No.18563874 Report

Quoted By: >>18563878 >>18563885

>>18563870
>>18563872
Take a basic physics class. The flow of electricity is limited by electron size not your imagination

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:15:02 No.18563875 Report

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>>439735123
I know of the fanciful hopium theories.
But there is a reason the universe is vast, barren and empty, and it's not because a technosingularity is likely. Hell it might even simply be beyond the limits of technology to truly spread across it in a meaningful and/or lasting way.

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:18:35 No.18563876 Report

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>>18563816
>compares to yellow banana
>claims components getting bigger

wew lad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:19:05 No.18563877 Report

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>>18563870
Design a process that allows for the construction of smaller chips, then. With your imagination, I guess.
The current processes will not allow for smaller construction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:20:14 No.18563878 Report

Quoted By: >>18563886

>>18563874
what are photons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:21:05 No.18563879 Report

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>>18563863
Yeah he looks like a sincere guy, he's gonna die of a heart attack or something tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:22:40 No.18563880 Report

Quoted By: >>18563884

>>18563816
The 4090 is huge because it's pretty much an enterprise-class product like the Titan and gaymers are only buying it because everything else is a shockingly bad value. The 4080 and 4070ti are the same size but they're all cooler with empty space underneath. The PCB is like 1/2 the size pf the cooler for those cards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:25:03 No.18563881 Report

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>>18563871
>Old HDD were the size of living rooms
and an ssd are much smaller. so thank you for reiterating my point

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:26:28 No.18563882 Report

Quoted By: >>18563898

>a gpu consumes 450W now
jesus, you can heat a room with that in the winter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:27:50 No.18563883 Report

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>>18563816
silicon based computers were always gonna hit a wall eventually. There is a minimum number of molecules you need to make a transistor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:29:12 No.18563884 Report

Quoted By: >>18563888

>>18563880
>4090
>good value
>gaming
Look at this retard. Also PCB size means fuck all

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:29:48 No.18563885 Report

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>>18563874
I suppose you believe the science on the vaccine too hurr take a basic health class durrrp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:29:50 No.18563886 Report

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>>18563878
They need photonics which still require electrons to power

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:33:18 No.18563887 Report

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>>18563834
Don't worry. There are still companies putting cringe box art on their cards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:35:54 No.18563888 Report

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>>18563884
yeah lol. Can get a whole machine that will play any modern game on highest settings for years to come for less than the price of a 4090. Custom built gaming machines have become the millenials version of the pimped out sports car.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:37:04 No.18563889 Report

Quoted By: >>18563890

>>18563816
The chip is actually still pretty tiny. All you see is just the cooling because Moore's law doesn't apply to heat dissipation anymore so we are already fucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:37:58 No.18563890 Report

Quoted By: >>18563892

>>18563889
>so we are already fucked
Just submerge it all in mineral oil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:38:54 No.18563891 Report

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>>18563819
>more transistors, which you need for more performance, then you have to make the chips physically bigger.
Wrong, we still could scale down until today. The heat dissipation isn't scaled down anymore however starts exponentially increasing which means something like 2x more transistors will generate X4 number of heat that you need to remove somehow

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:39:36 No.18563892 Report

Quoted By: >>18563894

>>18563890
Just submerge it in liquid helium

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:42:14 No.18563893 Report

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>>18563816
what is with this cross-board faggotry?
you have to go back to >>>/g/

>Has technology reached the wall?
this happens every time. suddenly someone will be successful in building a 1nm processor and the chips will become half the size. wait for TWO MORE WEEKS!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:42:15 No.18563894 Report

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>>18563892
Helium is fairly rare in ppm and not really a good conductor of heat. Mineral oil is not electrically conductive and conducts heat like a motherfucker.

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:43:18 No.18563895 Report

Quoted By: >>18563897

>>18563819
time for quantum computers that are truly photonic.

https://lightmatter.co/

https://youtu.be/t1R7ElXEyag

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:47:44 No.18563896 Report

Quoted By: >>18563900

>>18563836
I think what I was remembering is that the 4090 can be undervolted to draw way less power with a minimal performance drop and nvidia chose not to ship it like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:49:57 No.18563897 Report

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>>18563895
fingers crossed
this will be awesome if it pans out.
>tfw still kinda bummed out about the room-temp superconductor fizzling out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:49:58 No.18563898 Report

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>>18563882
I do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:51:39 No.18563899 Report

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>>18563818
I have a 4080 which never gets above 63C on Hotspot, 56C on memory junction and 53C on general GPU temp. Even in Greece with 40C+.

I prefer these Temps and if the sacrifice is a bigger heatsink, I gladly pay it. GPU lifespan increases a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:51:43 No.18563900 Report

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>>18563896
The whole point of the thing is performance, why would they trade performance for voltage when gaymers don't care about anything but performance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:53:11 No.18563901 Report

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>>18563819
This is the correct answer. Right when we need the tensor performance to generate gaping vaginas in rapid fire skinner box fashion. We're stuck at ~15 seconds. We're moving to chiplets going forward. Also I think they slowed down their tick-tock shit because it saves on R&D and the current prosumer space has very little competition like it did in the early aughts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:55:08 No.18563902 Report

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>>18563816
specifically in the case of GPUs, it's a matter of the /idea/ behind the components changing
from relatively simple devices optimised for matrix multiplications, they've become essentially self-contained programmable computers in their own right, adhering to the GPGPU paradigm, or 'general-purpose computing on the GPU'
this is because their massively-parallel architecture lends itself better to certain computational tasks, so we've seen a progression from the cards being basic fixed-function machines, to ones with basic shader support and thus programmability, to fully-fledged co-computers with their own RAM and cache and compute cores, capable of running arbitrary code which has nothing to do with rendering graphics
as a result of this, we have things like LLM neural networks, and cryptocurrency
but as a consequence, GPUs have gotten bigger as they've gotten more capable and are expected to do more (as well as support all the things they did previously, being backwards compatible to some ~30 years)

put simply, imagine that the CPU can do things very quickly, but can only do one thing at a time
a GPU can do many, many things all at the same time in parallel, but is slower
sometimes it's faster to do certain tasks on the GPU than it is on the CPU, when those tasks are made up of millions of simpler tasks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 14:55:17 No.18563903 Report

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>>18563816
This cycle has been done before. New tech doesn't exist so they just keep adding more of the old tech to increase performance. Products will continue to grow in size until tech advancements increase efficiency.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:02:39 No.18563904 Report

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Remember when bulldozer was a dud and AMD basically didn't have any competitive CPUs which allowed Intel to just keep making 4 core CPUs as the high end for the better part of a decade?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:04:27 No.18563905 Report

Quoted By: >>18563908

>>18563816
The technology to put more power into less space is still advancing, but we have reached the point where electronics are so power dense that they need more and more refrigeration.
Also, since power density was lower in the past, designing PCBs to optimize heat distribution wasn't a priority so a lot of universities and companies didn't even teach it, so nowadays there is a shit ton of senior engineers that have no fucking clue how to properly distribute the components and they end up making PCBs with horrible hot spots that need to be refrigerated

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:06:07 No.18563906 Report

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>>18563816
>normalfag banana

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:06:36 No.18563907 Report

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>>18563816
More than 90% of that card is heatsink and fans nigga, the card itself is scarcely bigger than one from 5 generations ago but it generates so much more fuckin heat.

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Anonymous Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:08:15 No.18563908 Report

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>>18563905
There is nothing you can optimize on a PCB to make a GPU pulling 500w less of an issue

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Anonymous ID:b96fnY0k Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:12:30 No.18564411 Report

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>>439730427
>the 4090 (which the 450W TDP is from) actually surpasses that quite easily under normal conditions.
not really, pic related is me playing BG3 at 4K on max settings. it maxed out at 277 watts

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Anonymous ID:Up/0SxoJ Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:12:52 No.18564413 Report

Quoted By: >>18564427

Its called PC real estate, same as consoles have Storage real estate. Take up more space to cut out competition

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Anonymous ID:b96fnY0k Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:12:59 No.18564414 Report

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>>18563836
see >>18564411

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Anonymous ID:Up/0SxoJ Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:14:33 No.18564427 Report

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>>18564413
No way thats 4k. Are you using DLSS? Looks upscaled

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Anonymous ID:u0zYIGxb Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:14:57 No.18564429 Report

Quoted By: >>18564457

>>18563908
>t. no clue about PCB thermal design
There is a huge difference in refrigeration needed between a good thermal design and a bad one
Ofcourse, there is a point where you can't improve the design anymore and you just have to add as much refrigeration as needed, but there are tons of things you can do to improve designs before you reach that point.

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Anonymous ID:Up/0SxoJ Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:15:29 No.18564434 Report

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>>18564411
See
>>18564427

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Anonymous ID:axmmyLqA Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:15:44 No.18564436 Report

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>>18564411
>BG3
It probably maxed out at 50% utilization

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Anonymous ID:axmmyLqA Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:18:57 No.18564457 Report

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>>18564429
Yeah and that point has been reached with GPUs and CPUs as far as PCB design goes. These have tiny spots that push out almost all of that heat, there is no placing parts of it further apart

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Anonymous ID:b96fnY0k Wed 30 Aug 2023 15:26:33 No.18564492 Report

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>>18564436
With the frame rate limiter disabled, usage went up to 370 watts and 180fps at 96% utilization according to GeForce Experience's overlay

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