>>20686896>Yes you did.No, I didn't. I said you were a vessel for the decision, I didn't say YOU made the decision.
>"Ascribe the same connotations?" Choice means what it means. It's contradictory for you to sit here and talk about choice while simultaneously arguing that free will does exist. Choice means two different things in this context: to you, it implies some freedom you think exists. To me, it's a moment in time when all the factors that make me me push me in a certain direction. One is choice, the other is "choice", but both are the same moment from different perspectives.
>Turning left or right is the outcomeWhich is the "choice", as you've already agreed
>>20686517 so it's pointless trying to argue otherwise.
>Pilpul territory. You can choose to forego eating and fapping. But you can't choose specifically to participate in a particular set of behaviours labelled "nofap" if you have no concept of it. A man can raise two fingers in the air without any connotations to it, he equally can't "choose" to do a victory sign.
>Your counterpoint to being free to choose fasting and no fap was the unlikelihood of doing it without hearing about it, to which I said:The unlikelihood was being polite to basically say impossible. It's not possible, as explained above. I was trying to lead you to an obvious conclusion, but you've gotten lost in the weeds.
>I comprehend what you're saying just fine. It's you that can't comprehend that you're still making a choice. No, you're obviously not comprehending it if you still think it's a choice. You aren't making a choice, you're just living through the motions of factors before and present that are out of your control. You THINK you select something, the truth is that all those factors have basically pre-selected it for you and you don't even know it.
>Factors going into your choice doesn't nullify the fact that a choice was made.See above.
