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Anonymous ID:6S5ILeTV Fri 01 Nov 2024 18:59:49 No.21513433 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>21513559 >>21513575 >>21513585 >>21513594 >>21514026 >>21514034

A clump of cells the size of a coffee bean is not a person and you will never convince me it is. You religious retards need to fuck off out of politics.

Normie !GzTNQPcpf6

Normie !GzTNQPcpf6 ID:eGEI5Zym Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:03:37 No.21513447 Report

Quoted By: >>21513451

Abortion should not be a form of birth control and there's nothing you can say to change my mind. Yall sluts need to learn to use birth control and condoms and fellas you need to get some pullout game.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6S5ILeTV Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:05:57 No.21513451 Report

Quoted By: >>21513643 >>21513651

>>21513447
>Abortion should not be a form of birth control
why

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:07:51 No.21513459 Report

Quoted By: >>21513556

>a person is not a person because it's small
adl judenfrog making yet another idiotic take

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6S5ILeTV Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:09:02 No.21513545 Report

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Always a pleasure to get the "all life is sacred" argument from someone who supports unironic genocide of actual extant humans, that's fucking rich.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:12:33 No.21513555 Report

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lol strawman. what's next? will you tell me i don't have sex? a smart person would be able to provide an actual argument for me to disprove. it is after all your duty to do so as the opening poster.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uRRW9fPI Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:12:56 No.21513556 Report

Quoted By: >>21513566

>>21513459
Sir you seem to have forgotten to bump again

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:OE0kqPyP Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:13:42 No.21513559 Report

Quoted By: >>21513567

>>21513433
At what point does the non-human clump of cells become a human being and why?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:16:00 No.21513566 Report

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>>21513556
i did it on purpose, by using my constitutional right of free speech in the options field

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6S5ILeTV Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:16:04 No.21513567 Report

Quoted By: >>21513605

>>21513559
I think the point of viability is the best argument, and that's around 23 weeks, but I'd be comfortable with banning abortion past 14-15 weeks personally unless it's a medical emergency

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zHYOQBqP Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:19:13 No.21513575 Report

Quoted By:

>>21513433
American christians are always right

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NZBJft9s Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:21:34 No.21513585 Report

Quoted By: >>21513587

>>21513433
If life begins when a baby is born then why is a man that kills a pregnant woman charged with double homicide?
Checkm8, depopulationist kike

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6S5ILeTV Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:23:14 No.21513587 Report

Quoted By: >>21513609

>>21513585
>If life begins when a baby is born
Nobody sayed this.
I think there's a significant moral difference between a woman making the decision to terminate a pregnancy and someone killing a fetus that the woman wanted to bring to term, even at the exact same point of development.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tEEHACi/ Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:25:25 No.21513594 Report

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>>21513433
I got a dozen live chickens in my fridge right now. I mean they're eggs in a carton, but by golly they're alive!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:29:47 No.21513605 Report

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>>21513567
>the point of viability
how in the world does it magically turn the 'clump of cells' into a human?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NZBJft9s Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:30:48 No.21513609 Report

Quoted By: >>21513625 >>21513632

>>21513587
Would you marry and have kids with a woman that in her past aborted 20 babies that were conceived by the cum of tyrone's and jamals? Yes you would because you support abortion and think women shouldn't be judged for it lol. Fucking cuck freak

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8HmbrTg1 Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:32:00 No.21513619 Report

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you were once a load your gay retard mother should have swallowed

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:35:05 No.21513625 Report

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>>21513609
>mutt's law

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:38:36 No.21513632 Report

Quoted By: >>21513651

>>21513609
>Would you marry and have kids with a woman that in her past aborted 20 babies
Probably not, anyone that irresponsible and terrible at birth control probably shouldn't be a mom on principle.
>Yes you would because you support abortion and think women shouldn't be judged for it lol. Fucking cuck freak
lol who the fuck said any of this? What's wrong with you?

Normie !GzTNQPcpf6

Normie !GzTNQPcpf6 ID:eGEI5Zym Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:41:45 No.21513643 Report

Quoted By: >>21513654

>>21513451
There's cheaper and less invasive forms of birth control. As well the cost of subsidizing planned parenthood shouldn't be passed on to the taxpayer when they had multiple cheaper options they could've used before getting an abortion. Plan B is cheap and planned parenthood gives it out for free if you're broke. Condoms are literally free at planned parenthood.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:NZBJft9s Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:44:23 No.21513651 Report

Quoted By: >>21513658 >>21513664

>>21513632
In your second post you asked why abortion shouldn't be considered a form of birth control. ( >>21513451 )
So according to you this hypothetical woman that had 20 abortions isn't being irresponsible nor being terrible at birth control, she effectively had 20 abortions so she's actually excellent at birth control. Why change your tune now in just a matter of minutes?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:45:48 No.21513654 Report

Quoted By: >>21513672 >>21513701

>>21513643
I don't disagree with any of this. Birth control is a much better option. Subsidizing birth control and educating young people on it is one of the best actual ways to prevent abortion.

Still, accidents happen, condoms break and none of these methods are foolproof. Abortion should remain an option upto a certain week cutoff of gestation. I'm one of those people who believes they should be legal, safe, and rare.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:47:08 No.21513658 Report

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>>21513651
are you actually retarded or just pretending not to see his id?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:48:06 No.21513661 Report

Quoted By: >>21513674

It will turn into a person if left alone, therefore you're intervening into someone elses life and ending it. AKA killing them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:48:52 No.21513664 Report

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>>21513651
Proactive birth control is of course better. This doesn't mean abortion shouldn't be an option. The rest of your post is a weird attempt to put words in my mouth that I'm not going to bother with.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:50:01 No.21513672 Report

Quoted By: >>21513683

>>21513654
>Abortion should remain an option upto a certain week cutoff of gestation
and what if the abortion failed? should the baby get killed after its born if let's say it's mother could not have an abortion for some medical reason but wanted to?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:50:42 No.21513674 Report

Quoted By: >>21513682

>>21513661
All forms of birth control and plan B also prevent potential humans. Where do you want to place an arbitrary cutoff and why?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iJFrmqDY Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:51:54 No.21513679 Report

Quoted By: >>21513685

i genuinely think this is a right way of thinking which always makes justified genocide easier because all humans are just a big clump of cells and clumps of cells are not truly sentient, all human beings are philosophical zombies therefore it's okay to kill them since they don't really comprehend being alive

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:52:35 No.21513682 Report

Quoted By: >>21513686

>>21513674
Please don't try and pretend the plan B and abortion are even remotely in the same universe. Its very simple logic and you know I'm right.
T. medical professional.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:52:50 No.21513683 Report

Quoted By: >>21513704

>>21513672
>and what if the abortion failed?
I support an abortion ban that is like 8 weeks prior to viability so this isn't really relevant except in really extreme medical situations with late term abortions.
.>should the baby get killed after its born if let's say it's mother could not have an abortion for some medical reason but wanted to?
Of course not.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iJFrmqDY Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:53:11 No.21513685 Report

Quoted By:

>>21513679
makes justifying* genocide easier

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:53:56 No.21513686 Report

Quoted By: >>21513698 >>21513704

>>21513682
>Please don't try and pretend the plan B and abortion are even remotely in the same universe
Why?
>Its very simple logic
Then answer my question.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:57:58 No.21513698 Report

Quoted By: >>21513706

>>21513686
How about you explain to me how stopping the life cycle of a human from continuing naturally isn't murder? It would be a fully grown human without your interventions. The bottom line is that abortion stops a human life thats already started.

Normie !GzTNQPcpf6

Normie !GzTNQPcpf6 ID:eGEI5Zym Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:58:39 No.21513701 Report

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>>21513654
I'm right there with you. Abortion should be available as the last resort for accidents. All other precautions should be taken though and we shouldn't let people use it as birth control.
>fool proof
An IUD or an implant are. There's multiple forms of birth control for men and women outside of condoms and the pill. There's really no excuse. If you get pregnant or got someone pregnant you failed not the birth control.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:59:01 No.21513704 Report

Quoted By: >>21513729

>>21513683
>I support an abortion ban that is like 8 weeks prior to viability
again, why? how is an 2 week old fetus any less human than a 20 week old fetus?
>>21513686
>Why?
Plan B prevents conception. No new life is created so nobody is killed

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 19:59:40 No.21513706 Report

Quoted By: >>21513720 >>21513724

>>21513698
>stopping the life cycle of a human from continuing naturally
Plan B does this. You are supposedly OK with Plan B and not with my 15 week abortion cutoff, I am asking you where your line in the sand is and why.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:02:48 No.21513720 Report

Quoted By: >>21513737

>>21513706
>Plan B does this.
It doesn't. You don't even know what you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:03:51 No.21513724 Report

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>>21513706
We both know why you won't answer my questions and keep deflecting.
> I am asking you where your line in the sand is and why.
One the Germinal stage is completed

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:04:44 No.21513728 Report

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once*

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:05:01 No.21513729 Report

Quoted By: >>21513735 >>21513739

>>21513704
For the most part almost everyone agrees that people should be allowed to prevent pregnancy, and everyone is on some level ok with "potential humans" from being born, the only real debate is on the methodology and whether doing so after conception is wrong. I don't think anything magical happens at conception, and a clump of cells with no ability to even perceive the world around them is not a "person" yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:06:39 No.21513735 Report

Quoted By: >>21513741

>>21513729
> a clump of cells with no ability to even perceive the world around them is not a "person" yet.
It doesn't matter because its alive and will become a "person" unless you kill it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:06:39 No.21513737 Report

Quoted By: >>21513754

>>21513720
Again, you are ascribing something magical to conception. I really don't understand why preventing the pregnancy at the point where it would already proceed to becoming a fetus without outside intervention is any different morally than abortion.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iJFrmqDY Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:07:34 No.21513739 Report

Quoted By: >>21513750

>>21513729
people in their sleep don't really perceive the world around them either, should we legalise killing sleeping people too then

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:08:23 No.21513741 Report

Quoted By: >>21513753

>>21513735
>will become
Again, every form of contraception prevents people who "would become" persons from coming into existence.

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Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:09:09 No.21513746 Report

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Its really not hard to stop letting guys nut inside you if you don't want a kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:10:12 No.21513750 Report

Quoted By: >>21513787

>>21513739
>people in their sleep don't really perceive the world around them either
What a stupid thing to say, yes they do lol.

You could have brought up people in persistent vegetative states and had an actual argument here but that makes it much less cut and dry for you I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:10:51 No.21513753 Report

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>>21513741
Preventing insemination and killing a "clump of cells" isn't the same thing. You're just being dishonest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:10:54 No.21513754 Report

Quoted By: >>21513760

>>21513737
>I really don't understand why preventing the pregnancy at the point where it would already proceed to becoming a fetus without outside intervention is any different morally than abortion.
Because conception is the point where a human is created. The sperm and the egg combine to make a human. At this point, the fetus inevitably grows into a human. Conception may not occur for natural reasons as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:12:08 No.21513760 Report

Quoted By: >>21513766 >>21513900

>>21513754
>Because conception is the point where a human is created.
Again, your argument is that conception is some magical sacred event and I don't accept that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:13:10 No.21513766 Report

Quoted By: >>21513781

>>21513760
Because your whole view point would fall apart instantly.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:15:11 No.21513781 Report

Quoted By: >>21513784

>>21513766
Because nobody in this thread or anywhere else can make a cogent argument why it's the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:15:16 No.21513782 Report

Quoted By:

My cum isn't alive

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:15:59 No.21513784 Report

Quoted By: >>21513789

>>21513781
If they did you'd ignore it anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:16:13 No.21513785 Report

Quoted By:

Sounds like a you problem bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iJFrmqDY Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:16:46 No.21513787 Report

Quoted By: >>21513799

>>21513750
it's as arbitrary as arguing that "a clump of cells has no ability to perceive the world around it", try defining consciousness and try proving that a fetus can or cannot have it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:17:20 No.21513789 Report

Quoted By: >>21513800

>>21513784
I don't know why you feel the need to get pissy when I've been respectful and laid out my beliefs and why I believe them relatively cordially, all things considered. Get your emotions in check.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:19:13 No.21513799 Report

Quoted By: >>21513814

>>21513787
It's not arbitrary at all, at around 16 weeks a fetus develops the ability to hear and for the very first time has the ability to perceive the world outside the womb. They can hear their mother's voice and things outside of the womb, and that is roughly where I would consider them a person.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:19:26 No.21513800 Report

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>>21513789
Because you ignore what I say and then try and grasp onto something entirely unrelated to what I was saying to "prove" your point.
>Because nobody in this thread or anywhere else can make a cogent argument why it's the case.
Nigga, you won't even engage in my argument without saying "bu-but plan B!" as if its even remotely the same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:21:17 No.21513804 Report

Quoted By: >>21513874

>won't even engage in my argument
Which one, the "my cum isn't alive" argument or the "just don't let guys nut in you" argument?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:22:19 No.21513807 Report

Quoted By:

Are you just pretending you don't know or are you actually that retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iJFrmqDY Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:25:07 No.21513814 Report

Quoted By: >>21513827

>>21513799
so people with hearing disabilities or innately deaf people are not conscious by this metric

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:25:23 No.21513815 Report

Quoted By:

I engaged with you in good faith until you got frustrated and just started calling me dishonest and retarded and started with the "my cum isn't alive" memery, I don't know how much more benefit of the doubt you want here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:26:26 No.21513823 Report

Quoted By: >>21513842

I called you dishonest because you were being dishonest. Pretending to not know what I said 10 minutes ago isn't helping btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:27:57 No.21513827 Report

Quoted By: >>21513861

>>21513814
No dude, there is nothing magical about hearing to consciousness or being a human, I just think that's the milestone for the vast majority of developing fetuses where they are perceiving the world and a good cutoff for abortions generally.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:32:17 No.21513842 Report

Quoted By: >>21513846

>>21513823
Finding your arguments unconvincing isn't dishonest. You should find a way to become okay with this because you aren't actually very good at this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:33:02 No.21513846 Report

Quoted By:

>>21513842
Oh so you suddenly know what argument I was talking about? Weird how that works.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:34:11 No.21513852 Report

Quoted By:

Damn you're butthurt over this, fucking why?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iJFrmqDY Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:36:35 No.21513861 Report

Quoted By:

>>21513827
then you just shouldn't include appeal to consciousness as one of your main anti-abortion arguments, i think proving that killing babies is kinda bad can be done way easier by just highlighting the fact that a 1 day old fetus and a 20 year old man/woman are the same species therefore if it's illegal and immoral to kill 20 year old people it should be illegal and immoral to kill 1 day old fetuses

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:37:24 No.21513865 Report

Quoted By:

>I'll engage with anything
>Now let me pretend the things I don't want to engage with never happen
>umad?
ok

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:38:41 No.21513874 Report

Quoted By:

>>21513804
I posted this because you seemed to be under the impression that you were engaging with me with a seriousness that you absolutely were not, it was not a serious post my brother.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:40:21 No.21513885 Report

Quoted By:

Pretending to be retarded still makes you retarded sorry not sorry

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:41:06 No.21513892 Report

Quoted By:

It's okay to meme too but don't get too mad when people meme back at you

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JT2wmYWH Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:41:39 No.21513895 Report

Quoted By:

assuming a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:42:07 No.21513900 Report

Quoted By: >>21513928

>>21513760
maybe if your nigger brain actually was able to comprehend the meaning of the word 'conception' you would be able to accept it. but by calling it a 'magical event' you are making me imagine a caveman smacking a club on the ground and calling the fire 'ooga booga'.
conception creates the human. conception is when a sperm cell reaches the egg, thus creating a fetus. a fetus is already a human.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:47:37 No.21513928 Report

Quoted By: >>21513977

>>21513900
I'm calling it a "magical event" in your mind because you consider that the moral origin of personhood and you can't really account for it other than repeating stuff like
>conception creates the human
over and over again as if it'll eventually become proof of something. Why conception and not the instant before, when the egg and sperm are present and lack of intervention will eventually result in a person? I'm just trying to help you understand that it's an arbitrary choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LAvBvnPR Fri 01 Nov 2024 20:49:46 No.21513936 Report

Quoted By:

damn
crazy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 21:04:29 No.21513977 Report

Quoted By: >>21513994

>>21513928
>Why conception and not the instant before, when the egg and sperm are present and lack of intervention will eventually result in a person?
You are incorrect. Conception isn't inevitable even with the creamiest of pies for either natural or artificial reasons.
>over and over again as if it'll eventually become proof of something
yes because you refuse to acknowledge that it's the moment when a fetus is created. at this point the unique combination of a sperm cell and egg has been determined and from that point the fetus will inevitably start growing.
everything that happens beforehand is just a bunch of sperm cells competing over the egg. the same sperm cells may have died due to old age or ejaculation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sAGK2t7t Fri 01 Nov 2024 21:10:36 No.21513994 Report

Quoted By: >>21514006

>>21513977
>Conception isn't inevitable
Yes but plan B absolutely prevents some potential humans from being conceived, yes? Is it okay for you because it's still hypothetical at that point and can't be known for sure?
>the creamiest of pies
Dude.
>you refuse to acknowledge that it's the moment when a fetus is created
Of course it's when the fetus comes into being. I just take issue with the idea that a clump of cells is a "person" until it's developed to a certain point.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LwrOwnDd Fri 01 Nov 2024 21:16:48 No.21514006 Report

Quoted By:

>>21513994
>Yes but plan B absolutely prevents some potential humans from being conceived, yes?
Yes. And abortion is when you prevent an already living being from living rather than preventing a potential living being from living. Potential is the key word here.
>I just take issue with the idea that a clump of cells is a "person" until it's developed to a certain point.
The 'clump of cells' has a unique set of genes that determine its development, skills, predispositions. One of the things that makes a person a person is their uniqueness. When you're killing a fetus, you're killing someone unique.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iM6gkRwy Fri 01 Nov 2024 21:21:57 No.21514026 Report

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>>21513433
It isn't a person, but not treating it as something with potential teaches women bad lessons. it makes women think they shouldn't be accountable or responsible psychologically for the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iM6gkRwy Fri 01 Nov 2024 21:25:39 No.21514034 Report

Quoted By:

>>21513433
A fertilized egg or an embryo is packed with potential energy. So destroying it does probably have consequences on a physical/metaphysical level.

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