>>233304i think noise noisegrind "fans" are full of shit. that said however, if there's a rif in it, no matter how rudimentary, it can carry the intensity and be the primary factor in a grindcore fans enjoyment. i mostly listen to satans revenge on mankind, who are super riff oriented and catchy, and only use blast beats were it clicks rhythmically, but even then most people cant get the appeal. any anal cunt fan who has sifted through the noisegrind songs to find a rhythm knows what your talking about, but there is still a a genuine appeal to grindcore beyond bragging rights for its listeners.