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Anonymous ID:xhLPjl3u Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:31:27 No.2983780 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2983802 >>2983807 >>2983828 >>2984003 >>2984009 >>2985506

I unironically think communism would work if given the most opportune and beneficial circumstances to do so

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Anonymous ID:ui8mvR2f Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:34:14 No.2983798 Report

Quoted By: >>2983906

this but unironically

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vQrOccmf Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:35:10 No.2983800 Report

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lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:35:26 No.2983802 Report

Quoted By: >>2983862

>>2983780
If smartasses wanted to live in an equal world instead of trying to fuck others over it could work. Power's too sweet though

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:19hZafdR Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:35:49 No.2983806 Report

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I think we should switch to communism

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SYQldDaB Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:36:17 No.2983807 Report

Quoted By: >>2983821

>>2983780
That is true.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:huYbqzcc Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:38:14 No.2983818 Report

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but it would have to be perfect and would most likely fail

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:xhLPjl3u Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:38:35 No.2983821 Report

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>>2983807
>DaB

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Anonymous ID:XKdgFXbn Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:40:02 No.2983828 Report

Quoted By: >>2983845

>>2983780
Everything would work given the most opportune and beneficial circumstances to do so. That's the fucking definition of opportune and beneficial circumstances

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:xhLPjl3u Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:42:55 No.2983845 Report

Quoted By: >>2983873

>>2983828
>got the joke
It’s the systems that achieve relative stability despite the world’s shitty circumstances that actually work

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SYQldDaB Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:47:06 No.2983862 Report

Quoted By: >>2983887

>>2983802
The ones wanting power have a fault with themselves and that is insecurity. They might want to go along but either feel that their ways of doing things is best and need to enforce that or its an evolutionary drive that makes them want to take precautions to prevent any hardships.

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Anonymous ID:XKdgFXbn Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:48:35 No.2983873 Report

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>>2983845
Exactly. I mean theoretically speaking we could live in peace in a totalitarian state if only the government in question wasn't inevitably filled with brainlets and assholes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:52:40 No.2983887 Report

Quoted By: >>2983950 >>2984425

>>2983862
As much as "human nature" is overused when talking about why communism would fail I can't help but mention it.
As you said, people will try and do what they can to prevent any hardships for them or their family even if it doesn't benifit the greater good.

When you say you don't support socialism you basically say "I don't think everyone is equal, I don't think everyone should be given reward based on his needs, I don't think we should all work together for the better good"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:euoCdkm7 Sat 18 Nov 2017 15:56:00 No.2983906 Report

Quoted By: >>2983928 >>2983941

>>2983798
>Obese fucks have a right to government healthcare after weighing 300 lb for most of their life and never touching a vegetable

Nah, fuck you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:XKdgFXbn Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:00:06 No.2983928 Report

Quoted By: >>2983940 >>2984012

>>2983906
You can still work on incentives for burgers to stop burgering without having to sacrifice healthcare entirely anon. This isn't a black or white situation. For example we have almost free dental care, but only if you do regular checkups. If you don't do regular checkups and then your teeth get fucked for some reason you have to pay full price

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:02:02 No.2983940 Report

Quoted By: >>2983980 >>2984012

>>2983928
No point arguing with Americans on healthcare. Everything is black or white.
It's always me, a hard working protestant giving my money to uncle Sam so boogie6969 can get his surgery. The fact that I myself may get cancer one day and be unable to pay for treatment cause of no healthcare is impossible!

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Anonymous ID:dMvD7F1o Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:02:14 No.2983941 Report

Quoted By: >>2984010 >>2984012

>>2983906
>blaming socialism for the general populace over-relying on cheap fatty food promoted by capitalistic fast-food oligarchies
Nah, you fuck yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SYQldDaB Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:03:51 No.2983950 Report

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>>2983887
Alright.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SYQldDaB Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:09:11 No.2983980 Report

Quoted By: >>2984005

>>2983940
The obese need mental counseling. Suck the fat out, keeping them in the hospital until they're a certain weight, what ever you do they will just get fat again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:XaS2MlKv Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:09:33 No.2983981 Report

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It could work under two circumstances
1- to not isolate your country from the rest of the world
2- whoever is implanting communism has to have good intentions, something which almost all communist governments fail to have

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UrsNiv6c Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:12:30 No.2984003 Report

Quoted By: >>2984051 >>2984060

>>2983780
The whole societal structure would have to change and it could only work in very small agricultural communities

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:XKdgFXbn Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:12:42 No.2984005 Report

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>>2983980
Well there you go. Everybody gets their healthcare, but psychologists reserve the right to deem a person unfit for free healthcare because he's unwilling to cooperate and work on his problems. Just like that, you have a possible alternative talking point to both extremes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RFxRz8+W Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:13:32 No.2984009 Report

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>>2983780
>opportune and beneficial circumstances
humans don't have emotions
humans don't require food

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:PONNA+0+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:13:38 No.2984010 Report

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>>2983941
This

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IPXqUXZ9 Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:14:24 No.2984012 Report

Quoted By: >>2984044

>>2983928
>>2983940
>>2983941
If you banned all health problems caused by poor lifestyle, it might last a lot longer before you run out of money. But most socialists dont understand the concept of running out of other people's money.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:dMvD7F1o Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:19:22 No.2984044 Report

Quoted By: >>2984062 >>2984078 >>2984079 >>2984106 >>2984366

>>2984012
Capitalism is the one that caused the poor lifestyle, you utter nincompoop. If healthy food is more expensive than fatty garbage, yet inflation keeps raising the prices of everything and the jobs refuse to pay more, of course people would flock after the fatty food.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:20:28 No.2984051 Report

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>>2984003
I think it wont properly work unless it goes global

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dMvD7F1o Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:21:58 No.2984060 Report

Quoted By: >>2984071

>>2984003
It worked in the USSR and Cuba after intense revolutions, despite having their opposition funded by actual superpowers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:XKdgFXbn Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:22:16 No.2984062 Report

Quoted By: >>2984073 >>2984081

>>2984044
Wait your garbage food is actually cheaper in america? I thought this was just people being ignorant. I unironically am wasting much less money ever since I started eating healthy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:PrMS2z6e Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:23:31 No.2984071 Report

Quoted By: >>2984081 >>2984082 >>2984091

>>2984060
Then why did USSR collapse just because Afghan War and oil prices?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dMvD7F1o Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:23:57 No.2984073 Report

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>>2984062
Yes, why do you think McDonald's are everywhere? Bacon is somehow cheaper than fucking cream cheese spread for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SYQldDaB Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:24:26 No.2984078 Report

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>>2984044
It's not necessarily fatty foods it's more like unnatural.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IPXqUXZ9 Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:24:42 No.2984079 Report

Quoted By: >>2984127

>>2984044
You dumb motherfucker. Have you ever bought vegetables from the store? They are far cheaper than fast food or junk food. They keep you full longer, thus needing to buy less. I knew you were retarded, but this is pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:25:01 No.2984081 Report

Quoted By: >>2984113

>>2984062
GMO food is much cheaper than "natural" grown and junk food there is much cheaper too

>>2984071
A 20% of its budget going on military spending and corruption might had something to do with it too

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dMvD7F1o Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:25:23 No.2984082 Report

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>>2984071
Because the leaders of the USSR in its late years were incompetent as fuck. Stalin managed to turn a poor rural country into an industrial powerhouse in such a short amount of time when it took the UK and USA over a century.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:IPXqUXZ9 Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:26:45 No.2984091 Report

Quoted By: >>2984138

>>2984071
The jews finally took over America, so they left USSR and set up shop in the US, leaving you to collapse.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:29:07 No.2984106 Report

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>>2984044
But Saudi-kun, those billionaires deserve their money for in our free capitalist world they had the necessairy skills and intellect to have rich parents

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SYQldDaB Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:30:50 No.2984113 Report

Quoted By: >>2984122

>>2984081
Gmo isn't the problem. It's laziness that keeps people from cooking real meals. It's easier to put something precooked in the microwave. That shit has a bunch of additives to make them keep longer. It's probably not bad for like oneealing a day but it's all three.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:32:43 No.2984122 Report

Quoted By: >>2984129

>>2984113
Here you can just buy packed salads, straight from the fridge into your plate. Fruits (as altenrative to more sugary snakcs) don't need to be cooked either.

SocialistNormieHater

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SocialistNormieHater ID:NpBrew8d Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:32:51 No.2984124 Report

Quoted By: >>2984134

NO it wouldnt because if there is no social class whose to say that i couldnt just become leader without any sort of thing to go through? whose to say i couldnt just do it buy force? desu the best government i think would be a anarcho socialist government. we teach them discipline and good moral beliefs so they dont abuse freedom, then we slowly introduce anarchic ideals and eventually become truly free.
>unironically

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dMvD7F1o Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:33:30 No.2984127 Report

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>>2984079
You're the dumb motherfucker here, motherfucker. It's pretty fucking obvious that grinding the worst meat in animals and their bones into paste that get turned into patties will ALWAYS be cheaper than veggies and fruits.

Then again, you sperg about not wanting to pay for healthcare when the 8 fucking billionaires have more wealth than half the entire world buy their fifth island to build their mansions in.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SYQldDaB Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:34:10 No.2984129 Report

Quoted By: >>2984140

>>2984122
That's not how you make a well rounded meal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:34:26 No.2984134 Report

Quoted By: >>2984144 >>2984146

>>2984124
Hmm, so what you support is a socialist oligarchy that takes over the state and rules it with the intent of one day demolishing it and creating an anarhist stateless, currencyless society.... what an original thought!

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Anonymous ID:dMvD7F1o Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:35:20 No.2984138 Report

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>>2984091
>left the USSR
>muh joooz
I knew you were retarded, but this is pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:35:42 No.2984140 Report

Quoted By: >>2984156

>>2984129
Throw in a chicken breasted which needs to be put on an oven before eaten.
Then add turkey and cheese slices in toast bread AND BOOM you've got all you need.
Most fish only need to be put in an oven too

What else do you need?

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SocialistNormieHater ID:NpBrew8d Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:36:15 No.2984144 Report

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>>2984134
ikr im so smart

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dMvD7F1o Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:36:17 No.2984146 Report

Quoted By: >>2984154

>>2984134
>socialist oligarchy
You do realize that's an oxymoron, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:37:30 No.2984154 Report

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>>2984146
Poorly phrased but you get what I meant

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SYQldDaB Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:37:43 No.2984156 Report

Quoted By: >>2984194

>>2984140
Enough of that to support a family.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:46:15 No.2984194 Report

Quoted By: >>2985468

>>2984156
Well I don't have a chart with American food prices but how more expensive would the above in comparisson to McDonald's and fattier shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:KQ/alWzz Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:48:35 No.2984209 Report

Quoted By: >>2984218 >>2984234 >>2984310

STOP! STOP! THIS BOARD IS APOLITICAL!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z3KJyt+ Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:50:12 No.2984218 Report

Quoted By: >>2984230

>>2984209
>he said on a board with a daily "socialism" thread

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2zTuMhxv Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:51:52 No.2984230 Report

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>>2984218
You got proof of that?

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Anonymous ID:XKdgFXbn Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:52:13 No.2984234 Report

Quoted By: >>2984310

>>2984209
No. This board is a/pol/itical, there's a difference

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3D0x1GzU Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:57:51 No.2984297 Report

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Anything could work given the most opportune and beneficial circumstances to do so. The point is we should gear our societies towards what is actually likely to happen, and not what we hope will happen, not what could potentially happen if a million little things just happen to line up perfectly. The answer to the crime problem isn't just to stop building prisons and hope people behave.

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Anonymous ID:XKdgFXbn Sat 18 Nov 2017 16:59:38 No.2984310 Report

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>>2984209
>>2984234

See what I mean

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ODLDlBoi Sat 18 Nov 2017 17:08:28 No.2984366 Report

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>>2984044
the same 8 people that own half the worlds wealth are rather liberal silicon valle oligarchs, and are enablers of mass immigration anyway

>Capitalism is the one that caused the poor lifestyle
because as well all know, pre-industrial societies are known for their long life expectancy and access to calories
more over i can rather healthy food foor cheap if you know what you're doing and you're willing to put some work it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ODLDlBoi Sat 18 Nov 2017 17:14:35 No.2984425 Report

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>>2983887
>I don't think everyone is equal
men are inherently unequal, the same man is not equal to himself on different days
even in the hunter gather days people lived in hierarchies, given the social dynamics of the tribes that humanity spent most of its history in
> I don't think everyone should be given reward based on his needs
rewards are compensation for service,their not given based on needs
>I don't think we should all work together for the better good
working together comes in multiple forms, what makes (marxist) socialism the only one?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:SYQldDaB Sat 18 Nov 2017 18:59:34 No.2985468 Report

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>>2984194
You gotta think portions. What's cheaper? Buying pounds of meat and produce that's probably going to spoil before you have a chance to eat all the left overs or a McPick 2 from McDonald's? And that spoiling food I mentioned earlier would be fine if it was still frozen but do you have time in the morning to make a real breakfast without having messing up your sleep? What about lunch for work? Depending on what job you have you might have no choice but to eat out. And do you really want to cook everything you need a meal? By the time you finish the dishes you're rushing around getting ready to cook again. Just admit it. Capitalism is man's way of keeping darwinism in play. What do you choose: a life worked out when you were born by people that tease you with thoughts of fulfillment, promises of being their equal, and hope for your children that's bought from striving for another's goal or absorb at leisure a culture built on sponsored desperation, laughing with them as you eat a cheese sandwich?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:w1Ub6WmK Sat 18 Nov 2017 19:02:16 No.2985506 Report

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>>2983780
If the optimal situation is the only acceptable situation, then it's not good.

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