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Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 18:36:33 No.519210 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>519332 >>519338 >>519394 >>519449 >>519960 >>520698 >>521317 >>522587 >>523854 >>523925 >>524121 >>524295 >>525247

Can /bant/ solve it?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aa3sdrfz Tue 16 May 2017 18:40:15 No.519278 Report

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i think A, assuming the platform stops on collision and does not create a springboard effect

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:b8M2vzZQ Tue 16 May 2017 18:42:51 No.519332 Report

Quoted By: >>519399

>>519210
Unless there's some portal-mumbo-jumbo physics that I don't know about, It's essentially like slamming a rectangle with a hole in it onto the cube. So A.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:GfXgWJWj Tue 16 May 2017 18:43:05 No.519338 Report

Quoted By: >>519421

>>519210
I mean if your reference frame is the portal then the block is moving towards the portal but it is not moving any faster than the platform it is on. If the momentum is unaffected by the portal then the cube would have the same momentum out the other side meaning that B should be true.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:wBG0ZMek Tue 16 May 2017 18:45:36 No.519394 Report

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>>519210
A, because the cube doesn't have kinetic energy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 18:45:52 No.519399 Report

Quoted By: >>524227

>>519332
the "mumbo-jumbo physics" you don't know about is Einsteins theory of relativity.
I'ts like slamming the world on the cube, and the world will keep relative movement to the cube.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nXNRm4ec Tue 16 May 2017 18:47:35 No.519421 Report

Quoted By: >>519531

>>519338
Remember that when the platform stops it decelerates so the frame of reference isnt inertial. A is true; I'll explain further if need be

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:j5gufQ4V Tue 16 May 2017 18:48:52 No.519449 Report

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>>519210
Speedy thing go in, speedy thing come out.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:wBG0ZMek Tue 16 May 2017 18:52:14 No.519520 Report

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Oh dear god America. Your education system has failed you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 18:52:39 No.519531 Report

Quoted By: >>519612 >>519630

>>519421
The box falls down in A so it's not glued to the platform, so why do jou think it does not continue moving away from the portel? The cube has already left the portal when it stops, why should it still affect it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:ZfmjHi5P Tue 16 May 2017 18:55:37 No.519609 Report

Quoted By: >>519698 >>519776 >>522735 >>524275 >>524739

>trying to apply real physics to portals
>reference frames, kinetic energy, Einstein
Picrelated is a fucking perpetuum mobile. Newsflash, portals don't exist.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nXNRm4ec Tue 16 May 2017 18:55:42 No.519612 Report

Quoted By: >>519707 >>519764 >>519788

>>519531
Because the cube actually is not changing position at all (until gravity pulls it down), thus has no velocity and thus no momentum

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:b8M2vzZQ Tue 16 May 2017 18:56:28 No.519630 Report

Quoted By: >>519717 >>519734 >>524353

>>519531
Place a small object on your table right now, form your fingers into an 'ok' sign and slam the hole it forms onto the object. Does it go flying?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9UF4hHIb Tue 16 May 2017 18:59:08 No.519698 Report

Quoted By: >>519739 >>519990

>>519609
You realize real physics works just not the energy conservation principle. You think All classical physics goes out the window the second you remove that rule? Thanks for the retarded newsflash

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 18:59:23 No.519707 Report

Quoted By: >>519847

>>519612
It change it's position from not being outside the bleu portal tho being outside the blue portel

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9UF4hHIb Tue 16 May 2017 18:59:40 No.519717 Report

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>>519630
That's some spicy bait

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:00:43 No.519734 Report

Quoted By: >>520517 >>520567 >>521084

>>519630
Not try it but keep one side of the ok sign in the air and slam the other on the table without changing the distance between both sides.

Bard-Ock the Magnicifent (50hp70mm120g)

Bard-Ock the Magnicifent (50hp70mm120g) ID:rY5exIGC Tue 16 May 2017 19:00:56 No.519739 Report

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>>519698
well my fingers arent reality-warping portals.

checkmate atheists.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:wBG0ZMek Tue 16 May 2017 19:01:56 No.519764 Report

Quoted By: >>519861

>>519612
What he said. The lower pillar has to go trough the portal to give it the push. Otherwise it has no kinetic energy to move. At least I assume that the portal stops right after the cube is trough. The cube is stationary even when its moving related to the portal. The energy doesn't transfer trough it giving the push so it goes fast trough the portal and just drops.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vbEHNJZm Tue 16 May 2017 19:02:18 No.519776 Report

Quoted By: >>519990

>>519609
It's not really perpetual motion, it's more like picking something up, dropping it, then picking a copy of it up then dropping it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:z/vGqtJ9 Tue 16 May 2017 19:02:51 No.519788 Report

Quoted By: >>519946

>>519612
Oh yeah I guess that makes sense but then wouldn't the cube not move at all assuming no bouncing of the two platforms because it would basically just sit there? Yup I see it now

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:D7hmX73i Tue 16 May 2017 19:04:19 No.519823 Report

Quoted By: >>519839 >>520068 >>520249

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rpYME3Q9 Tue 16 May 2017 19:05:13 No.519839 Report

Quoted By: >>519999

>>519823
Exactly what I thought.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nXNRm4ec Tue 16 May 2017 19:05:48 No.519847 Report

Quoted By: >>519985

>>519707
While that is an okay initial assumption, you're not correctly realizing the portal. The portal is not really a thing, it doesn't move objects or interact with anything like a thing would, it is simply a tunnel between two places in space. Its a similar effect that allows proposed Alcubierre Drives to move things faster than the speed of light without the thing actually having a velocity. If this is confusing I can try think up an analogy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:06:15 No.519861 Report

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>>519764
But if it has no energy, how does it push the air after the portal away to make space?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rY5exIGC Tue 16 May 2017 19:06:37 No.519877 Report

Quoted By: >>519999

Why hasnt anyone made a portal level that has this setup? get an in-engine answer

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nXNRm4ec Tue 16 May 2017 19:09:35 No.519946 Report

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>>519788
Well for portals to work at all like in the game, then wed have to say that somehow gravity cannot go through it even though that doesnt make any sense itself. If this was more correct to life then yes, the cube would probably stay there or something weird because of the different directions of the gravitational force

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:wBG0ZMek Tue 16 May 2017 19:09:37 No.519947 Report

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Oh for f sake guys. Here's what would make B happen. The cube is in motion before it enters the portal. It's not just about the relative speed against the portal that matters.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:uDojXUxO Tue 16 May 2017 19:10:00 No.519960 Report

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>>519210
imagine if the portal on top was just a hole (which it basically is)

it impacts the pillar which does nothing to transfer kinetic energy to the cube, which means A is correct

gg no re ez pz

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:10:41 No.519985 Report

Quoted By: >>520253

>>519847
The cube goes through the tunnel at a certain speed relative to the tunnel, why would it suddenly stop after leaving the tunnel?

If the portal moves back, does the box get sucked back in by the same force that stops it when the portal stops?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:ZfmjHi5P Tue 16 May 2017 19:10:53 No.519990 Report

Quoted By: >>520244

>>519698
Go to wikipedia and look up "momentum". It says there momentum is a VECTOR. If confused, look up "vector", they have many sciency little things there. So, if momentum is a vector, the cube in this picture has changed its momentum to the exact opposite of what it was. So momentum conservation does not work either.
Seriously, go to /sci/ with this shit.
>>519776
No it is, if you do this in-game the cube retains its speed from when it fell into the bottom portal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9UF4hHIb Tue 16 May 2017 19:11:15 No.519999 Report

Quoted By: >>520015 >>520024

>>519839
It's wrong, imagine you're on the other side of the blue portal and this cube starts accelerating and is flying at you fast as fuck What's more likely, it just flops out, or retains that speed
>>519877
Someone has and I'm pretty sure it was B

This is basic frames of reference just imagine the entire world of the cube is (at the moment of impact) moving at the final speed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:Bq/O5XmZ Tue 16 May 2017 19:11:54 No.520015 Report

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>>519999 (yooo)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rY5exIGC Tue 16 May 2017 19:12:13 No.520024 Report

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>>519999
Then why in the name of quads isn't there a gif of it happening in game?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:13:38 No.520068 Report

Quoted By: >>520433

>>519823
speed is relative, there is no difference t between the cube slamming into the portal or the portal being slammed into the cube. The cube goes through the portal at the same speed in both cases (not counting gravity).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9UF4hHIb Tue 16 May 2017 19:21:02 No.520244 Report

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>>519990
My point was all of Newtonian physics wasn't discounted, pretty sure it was obvious direction wasn't conserved unless they were fixed portals like doorways

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:BzyDIQ5Y Tue 16 May 2017 19:21:12 No.520249 Report

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>>519823
Damn thats a good GIF, heres a (You)

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nXNRm4ec Tue 16 May 2017 19:21:24 No.520253 Report

Quoted By: >>520409

>>519985
But relative to the platform the cube didn't move at all. From that alone it should be obvious that thinking "relative to the portal" like that is incorrect because it causes a conflict. Also, there is no force that stops it because it has no momentum to begin with thus is already at rest. Lets assume its in space so it doesnt just roll out of the portal, what would happen if you pulled the portal back? Well what happens is you're splitting apart two places in space, so i guess it depends on the mechanism the portal relies on

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:28:08 No.520409 Report

Quoted By: >>520466

>>520253
I know there is a conflict between being in rest before the portal and moving out of the portal, I just assume the cube is affected by the psychics after the portal because that is where the cube is. Why would it still be affected by before portal psychics when it's not there anymore?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:wBG0ZMek Tue 16 May 2017 19:29:21 No.520433 Report

Quoted By: >>520517 >>522380 >>522925

>>520068
Ok Imagine a hula hoop (the old children's toy) as a portal that has enter and exit right right beside each other inside the hoop. Drop the hoop on a ball. Does the ball fly? After the hula hoop hits the ground? No.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nXNRm4ec Tue 16 May 2017 19:31:16 No.520466 Report

Quoted By: >>520567 >>520586

>>520409
The portal is a single place, before portal and after portal (with stationary portals at least) is no different than before walking thought door and after walking through a door. They are connected places in spaces; physics works through the portal, except for gravity apparently

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:33:19 No.520517 Report

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>>520433
>>519734

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uDojXUxO Tue 16 May 2017 19:35:55 No.520567 Report

Quoted By: >>520645

>>519734
if it worked like that the character would die jumping through it

or if you fired a portal above and beneath you you'd accelerate indefinitely instead of hitting terminal velocity and staying at it

>>520466
yeah this is boring lets talk about dicks instead

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:36:54 No.520586 Report

Quoted By: >>520650

>>520466
The portal is in 2 places: the orange one moving down and the blue one on the stationary floor.

I know if the portals where in rest relative to each other the word before and after would have the same speed relative to the cube, thus not changing the the relative movement the cube has to the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:39:48 No.520645 Report

Quoted By: >>520710

>>520567
The infinite falling is exactly what happens if you try that in game.

The game is not programmed for moving portals though, and I've seen different engines with different effects when trying the problem in the op.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nXNRm4ec Tue 16 May 2017 19:39:58 No.520650 Report

Quoted By: >>520746

>>520586
Nope. The portal is one place. It might look like 2 places to an "outside" observer but it is 1 place in space

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gbiAWSlW Tue 16 May 2017 19:42:44 No.520698 Report

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>>519210
obviously A. the cube has no momentum

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uDojXUxO Tue 16 May 2017 19:43:07 No.520710 Report

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>>520645
alright, but my argument is although the portal is moving the cube isn't which means the cube's in innertia and will go through the portal in that state, unlike if you were falling through the portal

the game has limitations with how well it can do these things though sure

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:44:29 No.520746 Report

Quoted By: >>520891

>>520650
Then how does that explain them "seemingly" moving relative to each other and the box losing momentum relative to the portal after it passed through it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nXNRm4ec Tue 16 May 2017 19:50:21 No.520891 Report

Quoted By: >>521084

>>520746
Your relative momentum thing does not apply. As already stated, if you drop a ring or hulahoop around something on the ground, it doesnt start flying through the hoop. And I'm not say that the hulahoop example perfectly applies to the portal, but it should show you that your relative velocity meme doesn't work because we arent dealing with inertial frames here. Do you at least understand that?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 19:58:52 No.521084 Report

Quoted By: >>521168

>>520891
>>519734
Hoops do not have the problem of having to side moving apart from each other.

The hoop and the something woud still be moving away from each other if the hoop didn't hit the ground. And in the picture noting changes the movement of the blue portal or stops the cube from continuing his movement away from said portal.

The cube does not move only relative to the portal, but it moves relative to everything else on the blue side of the portal.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nXNRm4ec Tue 16 May 2017 20:01:45 No.521168 Report

Quoted By: >>521296 >>523480

>>521084
So that's a no then. So much for superior european education

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TjrnYYAP Tue 16 May 2017 20:06:46 No.521296 Report

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>>521168
>claims relate momentum can just stop existing
>uses the hoop argument
>omg Europeans so dumb
So what do they tell about relative movement in your "superior" America fuck yee education?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Yb8BczpO Tue 16 May 2017 20:07:31 No.521317 Report

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>>519210
the cube itself had no momentum so a

Call !!z2kWfG6yjvI

Call !!z2kWfG6yjvI ID:2iRNfG1F Tue 16 May 2017 20:45:19 No.522380 Report

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>>520433
There's a difference between that scenario and the portal scenario.
With the hula hoop both portals are moving down, with the other one the entrance is moving and while the exit is stationary.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:wMkrY5MZ Tue 16 May 2017 20:53:19 No.522587 Report

Quoted By:

>>519210
Neither. The portals are meant to go away on moving objects.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gtVsBQdx Tue 16 May 2017 20:58:38 No.522735 Report

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>>519609
Perpetual motion is physically sound if there are no outside forces acting on an object it will stay in motion

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:D7hmX73i Tue 16 May 2017 21:03:53 No.522925 Report

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>>520433
do you seriously think no one has thought of this before? If this were true no one would be debating, also that picture isn't remotely the same thingh

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9UF4hHIb Tue 16 May 2017 21:23:24 No.523480 Report

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>>521168
Your autistic anime posting ass is embarrassing enough for NA. You're wrong, the hoop analogy is hopelessly wrong and the fact that you have a fuckton of pictures of a little cartoon girl is very wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ctVc46yP Tue 16 May 2017 21:23:36 No.523484 Report

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it's B.

The portals are the same point in space, meaning if the blue portal is moving the orange one is too. by this I mean moving through space.

When the cube is fed through the blue portal, it moves into something moving through space, and then is "left behind" when it exits to portal. It's momentum is conserved, and it is therefore shot through the portal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tu1NCJlo Tue 16 May 2017 21:39:35 No.523854 Report

Quoted By: >>525093

>>519210
The answer is B but if the thing with the upper portal is 2x2 meters, made of steel and is slower than the speed of light (assuming it's on Earth) the cube would be pushed out with so little force it would look like A. So in theory B but in theoretical practice A.

/thread

Wake

Wake ID:xWaqDzmP Tue 16 May 2017 21:40:39 No.523883 Report

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Depends entirely on how the portals work.

The video game lets your simply step right through it or toss objects through, which doesnt increase the velocity of the object travelling through it.

Therefore A.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DO5wMnFz Tue 16 May 2017 21:42:26 No.523925 Report

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>>519210
I'm going with A

the cube has no energy prior to being sent through, so unless the portal is capable of imparting energy on an object, it should just go plop

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:L0/8PsGt Tue 16 May 2017 21:51:59 No.524121 Report

Quoted By: >>525093

>>519210
A, it is the portal that is moving not the object

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:U43k2ysl Tue 16 May 2017 21:55:55 No.524227 Report

Quoted By: >>524378

>>519399
Shut the fuck up retard stop trying to sound like a sophisticated nigger. It would be A, the world isn't moving it's just moving the portal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:7GcWO9CU Tue 16 May 2017 21:57:48 No.524275 Report

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>>519609
>Slavs

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:emDrAUq4 Tue 16 May 2017 21:58:33 No.524295 Report

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>>519210
It's neither you idiots because the game establishes that portals disappear when you move their surface
Learn2portals

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+lMTChfr Tue 16 May 2017 22:01:07 No.524353 Report

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>>519630
No it does not.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9UF4hHIb Tue 16 May 2017 22:02:17 No.524378 Report

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>>524227
Except he's right and it is like the world on the other side of the portal is moving at the velocity of the platform. Obviously they exist in the same universe It's just a way of explaining the frame of reference in a way u can understand

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:emDrAUq4 Tue 16 May 2017 22:17:14 No.524739 Report

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>>519609
> mock the slav
> only one that's right

The cube is moving through two different universes at the same time with two different speeds (one speed being zero). Which means you can theoretically solve this problem in two different ways to correctly end up with either one of the two options. It's paradoxical and unsolvable

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qyefPTTz Tue 16 May 2017 22:25:57 No.524947 Report

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B. Think of the rate in which the cube is moving through the portal. If it enters the orange portal quickly(which it does) then it must leave the blue one quickly as well. that would give it at least enough kinetic energy to clear the base of the stand.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qyefPTTz Tue 16 May 2017 22:32:52 No.525093 Report

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>>524121
It doesn't matter which one's moving, so long as they are moving relative to each other. Take the piston that has the orange portal on it as your stationary reference point and suddenly the cube is moving.

>>523854
Why would it be pushed out with minimal force if the speed is anything under c? Please explain yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:g7hdwdIv Tue 16 May 2017 22:40:25 No.525247 Report

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>>519210
This is the reason why portals cannot be in motion. It's paradoxical in nature.
(Unless it's for a cool puzzle involving laser beams and a deadly neurotoxin generator)

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