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Political Nature of the Sopranos, Part Due

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:45:39 No.7664481 View View Reply Original Report

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Was the Sopranos a redpilled television show, considering it's distaste of modern america and modernity in general, or was it merely a kike psyop? continuation of the first thread

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:46:57 No.7664482 Report

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>>7664481
Baste and redpilt

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:47:32 No.7664483 Report

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>he didn't like bobby

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:48:17 No.7664484 Report

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>>7664483
of course tone liked bobby

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:48:50 No.7664485 Report

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>>7664481
Unironically based and redpilled.
Not just because they name the jew and the nigger.
It's a Rosetta stone to what burger culture was about 20 years ago.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:49:08 No.7664486 Report

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>>7664481
Throughout the whole series the fact that circles ran the Italian-American mafia was never brought up, but I'm sure they would have lost the funding if the topic came up and no one would have ever got the chance to watch the show

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:49:49 No.7664487 Report

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>>7664485
>they name the jew
never as the bosses

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:50:23 No.7664488 Report

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>>7664487
>not realizing the dago was the original jew

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:50:38 No.7664489 Report

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>>7664481
He's a FAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGG.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:51:21 No.7664490 Report

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>>7664487
What about Hesh?

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:52:02 No.7664491 Report

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>>7664481
https://youtu.be/YDDkCiUhHCc
>theme
>>7664486
extraordinary OG leaf, is that you? ever thought about putting a Sopranos video essay online or summit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:52:23 No.7664492 Report

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>>7664481
In the DVD commentary the writers say that HBO told them to stop with the "antisemitism" or it " "wouldn't be good for anyone". It seems there was a conflict between creative and the producers on the JQ.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:52:38 No.7664493 Report

Quoted By: >>7664494 >>7664498 >>7664501 >>7664502 >>7664513

Other than breaking bad there isn’t a consistently excellent tv show

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:53:49 No.7664494 Report

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>>7664487
By that time in history jews had transferred over to other industries other than a very small minority which wasn't operating in nj anyway. I.e hesh
>>7664493
>breaking bad
literally just a poors mans sopranos

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:53:51 No.7664495 Report

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>>7664490
The cheap bastard who's always scheming and has a black wife?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:53:55 No.7664496 Report

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>>7664490
Wasn’t Hesh the richest at the end?

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:54:06 No.7664497 Report

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>>7664491
that's another leaf, and yeah I might do that

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:54:17 No.7664498 Report

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>>7664493

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:54:45 No.7664499 Report

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>>7664490
Exactly.
Whether it's Hesh on Sopranos, Hyman Roth in Godfather Part II, or someone like fucking Meyer Lansky in real life, no serious student of the mafia can deny the Jewish influence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:55:13 No.7664500 Report

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>>7664481
The entire show is a psychoanlytic exploration of broad themes relating to life and death, and the construction of the psyche by the underlying human drives and how that relates broadly to a society. The modern societal decay is a complement Tony's ongoing psychic development. If you don't have a strong understanding of psychoanalytic theory then much of it will probably go over your head.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:56:28 No.7664501 Report

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>>7664493
Man I feel sorry for you

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:57:13 No.7664502 Report

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>>7664493
Bait

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:58:19 No.7664503 Report

Quoted By: >>7664504 >>7664505 >>7664530

>>7664494
>>7664498
>>7664501
Name a couple, season to season, consistently excellent writing, directing, acting,

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:58:37 No.7664504 Report

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>>7664502
>>7664503

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:59:00 No.7664505 Report

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>>7664503
breaking bad isn't even good. Its pretty reddit tier

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 02:59:26 No.7664506 Report

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>>7664499
the three groups that always accused the 'natives' of being prejudiced against them - jews, italians, and irish - were the groups actually doing all the killings and organized crime.
of course people will become prejudiced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:00:51 No.7664507 Report

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>>7664505
Bryan Cranston, Bob Odenkirk, Anna Gunn alone are better than most casts.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:01:33 No.7664508 Report

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>>7664500
>If you don't have a strong understanding of psychoanalytic theory then much of it will probably go over your head.
I see. Have you dreamt of fucking your Queen?

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:01:44 No.7664509 Report

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>>7664500
I agree, I've always thought that the show was primarily about the human condition. The Costa Mesa episode illustrates that pretty well.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:02:47 No.7664510 Report

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>>7664508
I've been the whole way through.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:03:38 No.7664511 Report

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>>7664507
Mark Margolis kills most actors and he didn’t even have any lines most of the episodes.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:03:52 No.7664512 Report

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>>7664507
I watched it from the first episode to the last and breaking bad isn't good. Its really reddit tier. Like after that drug lord die he adjusts his tie. Ffs, that's so corny. And the show has tons of moments and trat's like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:04:13 No.7664513 Report

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>>7664493
Breaking Bad is a clown show compared to Sopranos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:04:22 No.7664514 Report

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>>7664506
Notice how the Italians alone get the bad rep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:05:21 No.7664515 Report

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>>7664510
You are beeing evazive. Lie down on my comfy couch and tell me everyzing about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:06:15 No.7664516 Report

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>>7664500
Understanding man's relation the wider world is key to understanding man himself, and since the universal is found in the particular the Sopranos had to realistically portray America at the turn of the 21st century. And to do that you have to do Jews.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:07:02 No.7664517 Report

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>>7664481
Red pilled? Yeah if you ignore that whole thing about him needing to see the alpha yenta kike shrink for 10 years of the show? Same way they ruined Billions — the kike shrink is the mastermind that makes the star “tick”

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:07:53 No.7664518 Report

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>>7664516
In some sense, the collective can be reduced and understood through the individual psyche.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:08:40 No.7664519 Report

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>>7664517
The show is an attack on psychoanalysis and psychiatry. By the end of the series he's more vicious than he was at the beginning. It also portrays psychiatrists as a bunch of amoral Jews.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:09:07 No.7664520 Report

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>>7664516
>you have to do Jews.
Do you? At any rate this sort of proposition will get them very excited and litigious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:09:42 No.7664521 Report

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>>7664512
The Sopranos spent like an entire season on Vito being a faggot. That and the ending is what prevents it from being the ultimate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:09:50 No.7664522 Report

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>>7664497
Noice. I'll keep my fingers crossed, would watch.
>we believe in your autism

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:10:25 No.7664523 Report

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>>7664520
Why do you think there haven't been many masterpieces lately?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:10:28 No.7664524 Report

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>>7664513
HBO is a double blowjob and AMC is a French kissing

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:11:19 No.7664525 Report

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>>7664521
>The Sopranos spent like an entire season on Vito being a faggot
>replace faggot with jew
whoah

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:12:32 No.7664526 Report

Quoted By: >>7664535 >>7664541

>>7664521
1 that was a sub plot excluding like two episodes and 2 the ending is fucking amazing and made me feel something go fuck yourself. And even if they did being gay and being in the mob is a big fucking deal and its not like he was some low ranking guy he was tonys best captain

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:12:55 No.7664527 Report

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>>7664523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzSoKOs1fc
lack of good jews, i guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:13:47 No.7664528 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-kql7cpcOo

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:13:56 No.7664529 Report

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>>7664481
I remember when Tony expressed disgust over his daughter dating a nigger jew. Many (((critics))) were outraged that a somewhat sympathetic character was opposed to race-mixing. The lesson here is: It's ok for a likeable tv character to be a murderer, an adulterer, an extortionist, and the leader of a criminal enterprise. But portraying him as a racist is TOO FAR.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:16:22 No.7664530 Report

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>>7664503
The Wire

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:17:20 No.7664531 Report

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>"i didn't get to see tonys brains blown out in front of his wife and kids and a group of cub scouts :c 2/10 a little better than the big bang theory"

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:17:46 No.7664532 Report

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>>7664521
>not liking the Sopranos ending
...fuckin fenoik

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:17:59 No.7664533 Report

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>>7664527
Kubrick is an honorary Aryan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:20:32 No.7664534 Report

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>>7664521
the vito coming out story line was based on real life sopranos mob boss who turned out to be a swinger and was seen taking bbc at a club in the city like vito. He was killed immediately when his gf let it slip to one of his guys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:20:38 No.7664535 Report

Quoted By: >>7664538

>>7664509
>>7664516
>>7664519
>>7664526
Pretty solid analysis anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:20:51 No.7664536 Report

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>>7664533
Aye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:22:06 No.7664537 Report

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>>7664528
Hey Paulie if we don't clip this guy we should put him to work

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:27:54 No.7664538 Report

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>>7664535
You can tell that anon who likes breaking bad doesn't have the makings of a varsity athlete

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:28:58 No.7664539 Report

Quoted By: >>7664546

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db9QThLcxtg

Carmela when the school doctor (counselor, whatever) tells her and Tony that AJ has ADD: "I knew it. I always knew there was something". It's subtle, but that's a major dig against psychiatry and its place in modern society. AJ is raised on degenerate TV and rap music, basically encouraged to be a loser by society (as all boys and young men have been since the early 90s) gets little to not discipline at home, has no religion and no inkling of a guiding philosophy on life. It's obvious he's fucked up, but Carmela and Tony are either unwilling or unable to look at the deeper issues (you can't totally fault them for that; it's natural to believe that culture is your friend and that its general principles should be followed. They don't know it's ran by an elite hostile to their interests). So when she hears from a source of authority that it's ADD, she's relieved. Now it can be easily fixed with some medication. In reality it's just a way for pharma companies to make money and for the population's psychosis to be intensified.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:29:36 No.7664540 Report

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>>7664525
Well played

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:30:29 No.7664541 Report

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>>7664526
No it was like 6 episodes of the most god awful shit ever. A love storyline, becoming a firefighter, just absurd shit that should’ve been resolved in an episode.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:30:48 No.7664542 Report

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>>7664530
Season 2 arguably very boring

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:30:56 No.7664543 Report

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>>7664481
Yes

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:32:52 No.7664544 Report

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>>7664538
SONNA OFA BITCH I TOLDU NOTTO S AY THAT!

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:36:27 No.7664545 Report

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>>7664542
Season 2 provides background and context to how the drug and sex trade are impossible to contain and how deep the corruption is that allows these evils to take hold. It also is a hard look at the decline of the middle class in blue collar cities as a whole. Yea there isnt some gangbanger getting killed every episode but I dont know if I would call it boring but to each their own I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:39:03 No.7664546 Report

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>>7664539
Watch Tony's relationship with AJ too. While Tony and AJ are competing against each other in Mario Kart, Tony cheats by roughhousing AJ in order to beat him after which AJ is hurt. A couple of scenes later AJ is getting into fights with his school friend. It is the manifestation of Tony's psychosexual competitive drive that overshadows his ability to feel genuine emotion and care, and how that same psychosexual competitive drive is created through generations.

Also look at the lyrics of the intro song
>Your mama always said you'd be the chosen one
kinda sounds like the matrix
>Your papa never told you about right and wrong
I suppose we could call this God's law
> thing's ain't been the same since Howlin' Wolf walked into your town
the animal mind that has awoken and desires change

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:39:14 No.7664547 Report

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>>7664545
>the corruption is that allows these evils to take hold.
What is this corruption that you speak of, specifically, and what is it that it takes hold of?

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:43:56 No.7664548 Report

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>>7664534
>turned out to be a swinger and was seen taking bbc at a club in the city like vito. He was killed immediately when his gf let it slip to one of his guys.
Rightly so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:47:56 No.7664549 Report

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>>7664548
>his gf let it slip to one of his guys.
One eyeball witness, definitely a hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:48:01 No.7664550 Report

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>>7664546
What do you think about the effect of the mother on their children in either generation? While Tony and Johnny seem to be fairly similar, Livia and Carmela are basically opposites. How does that contribute to the differing personalities of Janice/Tony vs Meadow/AJ

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:49:10 No.7664551 Report

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>>7664481
Red-pilled. Best White TV Show ever. Based Italians.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:49:15 No.7664552 Report

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>>7664542
Season 2 was the most interesting season IMO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:50:53 No.7664553 Report

Quoted By: >>7664555

>>7664547
>corruption
money. it's always money
>what it takes hold of
ones ability / willingness to do the right thing

People all along the ladder having their pockets lined to look the other way, classic humanity

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:51:59 No.7664554 Report

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>>7664550
I just don't know, my man. Were I interested in the process of human domestication, that would be exactly the sort of question I'd ask.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:54:43 No.7664555 Report

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>>7664553
>money. it's always money
Where does it come from?

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:55:29 No.7664556 Report

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There's a subtle message about the music industry and its effects on the psyche in season 6. After AJ is dumped by his Puerto Rican gf, Tony says to AJ that this is what the music industry was built on, and cites a bunch of old mowtown songs about heartbreak and loneliness. Instead of that, AJ has rap. One of the last things we see him do before he tries to drown himself is listen to shitty rap. Our nihilistic, anti-human culture encourages hopelessness and suicide. I can see this in some reflected among my friends. One of my best friends growing up is an opioid addict who has tried to commit suicide twice, and all he listens to is deadening, nihilistic trap. If your worldview is shaped by that sort of thing you're naturally going to be more likely to view life as meaningless. People require life-affirming art in order to affirm life. Nietzsche: Without music, life would be a mistake.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 03:56:40 No.7664557 Report

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>>7664554
you might not be interested in human domestication but human domestication has been interested in you (for thousands of years)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Mar 2019 04:04:13 No.7664558 Report

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>>7664550
I tend to view the female characters by their relationship to the men, being the (percieved) object of desire, ultimately unnattainable and thus the eternally out of reach carrot that brings the journey towards its ultimate destination through the creation of conflict.

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