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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:29:46 No.8618206 View View Reply Original Report

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Continued from >>224289526
Hello anons I would like to tell you about the Traditional Catholic faith
>morals
http://www.sensustraditionis.org/Virtues.pdf

The heresy of "once saved always saved'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6-OPtuKSms [Open]

>Heresy of Charismatics "Christianity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6-OPtuKSms [Open]

Sensus Fidelium

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3x3gDTqUYy_bFZWS-U_mZQ

any Catholic anons wish join? Come right in!

(memeflags can join too! maybe you will have a change of heart)

Vaticancatholic.com
Remember to pray the rosary daily and Hail Mary often

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:31:07 No.8618207 Report

Quoted By: >>8618211 >>8618217

>>8618206
i'll start going to church again when the heretic Francis is burning in hell. the leadership of the church is corrupt and subverted and as it stands I see very little hope for the church short term.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:35:20 No.8618208 Report

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>>8618206
I'm actually going to start RCIA in a few weeks. it honestly feels good getting back into church!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:40:58 No.8618209 Report

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>>8618206
It's commonly accepted on /pol/ that behavior arises from genetics. If that's the case doesn't God choose who goes to heaven by genetics? Good works are just traits of a person who's going to heaven just like wings and beaks are traits of birds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:45:04 No.8618210 Report

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>>8618206
Ethnonationalism + Trad Catholic = Ultimate weapon : fights modern degeneracy, promotes traditional families, and keeps our countries white. Anyone against this is a nonwhite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:45:31 No.8618211 Report

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>>8618207
We are the church anon, and we are in the last days. You are right to not attend a false mass.
Stay in a state of grace amd pray the rosary as often as possible 15 decades of the rosary would be a good target.
Vaticancatholic.com

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:47:52 No.8618212 Report

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:49:48 No.8618213 Report

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>>8618212
So incredibly based

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:53:07 No.8618214 Report

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>>8618213
why are you posting borderline novus ordo sensus fidelium

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 03:59:45 No.8618215 Report

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>>8618214
I just copy pasta-d the op from the previous thread. I did ad the MHFM website Vaticancatholic.com in the op.
I'm at work and don't have too much free time on breaks.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 04:26:20 No.8618216 Report

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>>8618206
Peace to be you Catholic Bro.
May the Lord bless and protect you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 04:31:57 No.8618217 Report

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>>8618207
The Pope is the Pope because he's the Pope. Don't like it? You're not Catholic. May as well be Protestant.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 04:43:35 No.8618218 Report

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>>8618216
soon™

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 04:46:05 No.8618219 Report

Quoted By: >>8618253

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm
familiarize yourself with the catechism
2357
>tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 04:57:40 No.8618220 Report

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All abrahamic fairy tale threads belong on /bant/. Pic related. This board is for politics. Please delete your thread before mods ban you. Thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 04:59:47 No.8618221 Report

Quoted By: >>8618222

>>8618206
You shouldn't push the sedevacantist heresy, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 05:06:42 No.8618222 Report

Quoted By: >>8618224

>>8618221
Well first if Francis is the pope sedevacatism would be schismatic not heretical.
And second I have yet to see a convincing argument to the contrary.
Anon, why do you think he and his recent predecessors are valid popes when they have gone against established Catholic dogma which is the very definition of heresy and according to established Catholic dogma heretics are not Catholic and thus incapable of holding valid office in the episcopate and papal seat?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 05:08:39 No.8618223 Report

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 05:13:47 No.8618224 Report

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>>8618222
I know you're a recent convert, I talked to you before, but you are wrong insisting on your heresy, anon. What sedevacantism essentially entails in you professing that God Himself can't be trusted to protect His Church despite His promises to do so. Either go full Orthodox or just simply return to Catholicism. Your heresy begets the sin of pride because you think you know better. I'm not even saying that your dissatisfaction is wrong, what I am saying is that you're insisting on professing damnable heresy and that vaticancatholic in nothing short of clown theology. You're either on the boar or you are not.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 05:22:04 No.8618225 Report

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Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
If you’re going to be a christcuck at least be Orthodox. They don’t support white genocide directly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 05:31:44 No.8618226 Report

Quoted By: >>8618227

>>8618224
By Allah, is sedevacantism gay? All signs say yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 05:36:53 No.8618227 Report

Quoted By: >>8618228

>>8618226
It's not just gay, it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Christ is the head of the Church, the Pope may very well be the top of the human hierarchy but the entire point is having Eucharistic adoration, that is where Christ is. You may never see a Pope in your entire life, but Christ is always present in mass. So it is quite strange to see seddies reject Christ because of their prideful refusal to be in communion with Rome. It is such a strange theology just keeps getting stranger and more illogical the more you think about it. If you want to remain in schism, just go Orthodox instead, don't just continue pretending to be Catholic when you are not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 05:50:59 No.8618228 Report

Quoted By: >>8618229

>>8618224
>>8618227
I'm glad you're back friend we didn't get to finish our discussion last time...

Telling someone to become orthodox is a sin anon. You may disagree and say that Francis is a valid pope which I'm right, is a sin but you telling me to be a schismatic is a sin which is a sin regardless of which of us is correct.

Last time you told me that you were bothered by John Paul II's (imo great act of apostasy) at Assisi.
Do you believe that there has never been a time where the person claiming to be the pope was not a valid pope?
Hypothetically speaking, what would Francis have to do for you to adopt the sedevacatist position?
He has already said and done many things that established Catholic dogma deem to be heretical.

I'm genuinely curious, how much of the arguments and evidence have you seen and what counterarguments persuade you of the opposite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:10:05 No.8618229 Report

Quoted By: >>8618230 >>8618231

>>8618228
I'm not telling you to become Orthodox, I'm just confronting you with the natural logical conclusion of your theological stance. Nobody said that being a Catholic was easy, but if you can't trust the Pope, trust Our Lord. He promised that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against Her, He never promised that She would ever be perfect. You are effectively excised from the sacraments and you think that is reasonable or desirable and that just doesn't make any lick of sense, anon. Go to church, confess your heresies, and seek the sacraments. Don't just be a Schrödinger's Catholic, or in such an odd, illogical position.

>Do you believe that there has never been a time where the person claiming to be the pope was not a valid pope?
Of course there was. Heck, even the Saints themselves were confused at times. The great St. Vincent Ferrer was even known to have shilled for the wrong Pope. That is not the point, anon, they point is that you have duties of docility and obedience to the Mother Church and that you are just a lay faithful, you're not even a member of the clergy let alone a sufficiently high one. And you are not God nor were you trusted with keeping His promises. What is one of the things that were commanded to do? Pray for the clergy. Meditate on that.

>Hypothetically speaking, what would Francis have to do for you to adopt the sedevacatist position?
Why is it Me, Me, Me? I already have sufficient problems with Francis but I will not condemn him because he is God's to judge and because I'm just a lay faithful. I'm already positively sure I pray for the wrong things, so how is my judgement any better when it comes to the Church of Our Lord? Yeah, this is not a great position to be in, but as hard as it is sometimes I chose to trust Our Lord and His promise. For me, it is not a question of X amount of evidence, I know of Pope Francis' heresies, I just don't think that my Catholic faith in incumbent the existence of a totally inerrant clergy.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:15:17 No.8618230 Report

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>>8618229
Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:28:44 No.8618231 Report

Quoted By: >>8618235

>>8618229
Okay. So you say that you are aware that Francis has committed heresy. But from what I understand, according to the established dogma, manifest heretics cannot be pope.
I don't expect a perfect person to be pope but going against everything previous popes and saints established as dogma is a little different from a minor character flaw.

You admit there have been false popes before, why not now?
From what I understand, it is a grave sin to accept a false pope and a false mass.
What do you think about the Nouvus Ordo mass?
There have been times in church history where layity were relieved of mass obligations due to invalid mass.

Even people who were defending Francis like Church Militant are now demanding his resignation.
I'm genuinely curious as to the arguments against, you seem to only have the argument of "I know he is a heretic but chill and don't worry about it"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:31:06 No.8618232 Report

Quoted By: >>8618234

Nice proxy

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:31:08 No.8618233 Report

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>>8618206
Catholics are anti-White and deserve to be exterminated.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:37:35 No.8618234 Report

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>>8618232
I'm really in Thailand

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:41:27 No.8618235 Report

Quoted By: >>8618237

>>8618231
>manifest heretics cannot be pope.
That is for the clergy to correct, anon. You rebelling against the sacraments changes nothing except your state of salvation.
>You admit there have been false popes before, why not now?
Antipopes are not false Christians. They are just the result of politics.
>What do you think about the Nouvus Ordo mass?
Misguided but understandable. It's a perfectly valid mass that unites the faithful.
>There have been times in church history where layity were relieved of mass obligations due to invalid mass.
I'm not familiar with what you're saying here. But if you're insinuating that Novus Ordo is somehow invalid, you're wrong. It was the result of a perfectly valid ecumenical council. It has it's problems, it is not as reverent as the mass of the ages, but it isn't invalid and I see absolutely no good reason to claim that it is. I don't like ad populum or giving the Body of Christ on the hand but the zealous priest can combat these things if he so desires.
>Even people who were defending Francis like Church Militant are now demanding his resignation.
So we're a democracy now? God bless Michael Voris, but sometimes I question just how much he's thinking about the things he is proposing.

Anon, my argument was much more than just "chill". Trust the Lord your God and seek the sacraments, the head of the Church is Jesus Christ and not Francis.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:42:32 No.8618236 Report

Quoted By: >>8618246

Glory be to the Catholic Church.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:55:00 No.8618237 Report

Quoted By: >>8618241

>>8618235
>it isn't invalid and I see absolutely no good reason to claim that it is
Have you seen the Dimond brothers' videos about Vatican 2 and the Nouvus ordo mass? I'd like to hear your arguments as to why they're wrong.
https://youtu.be/WWo-7uVR8yI
https://youtu.be/BWsgxCVYtAI

What do you think about the Fatima prophecy saying that the Vatican would lose the faith and become thenseat of the antichrist?
>sometimes I question just how much he's thinking about the things he is proposing.
But Francis aided and abedded pedophiles and faggots in the church though. Shouldn't good Catholics be demanding his resignation?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 06:57:50 No.8618238 Report

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:03:45 No.8618239 Report

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>>8618234
onions aside, it looks delicious. would eat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:03:58 No.8618240 Report

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Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:05:10 No.8618241 Report

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>>8618237
>Have you seen the Dimond brothers' videos about Vatican 2 and the Nouvus ordo mass?
I believe that I have but I don't recall their arguments right now. I'll freshen my memory and I'll come back to you another time. Though I have to say that I am not impressed by their fruits, anon.

>What do you think about the Fatima prophecy saying that the Vatican would lose the faith and become thenseat of the antichrist?
I see no corroborating evidence of this except in proddie and seddie propaganda. Always unsourced of course. And would be contrary to the word of Our Lord. Either it's the seat of the Antichrist or the gates of hell will never prevail against Her.

>But Francis aided and abedded pedophiles and faggots in the church though.
Not just him. Benedict XVI knew of McCarrick's crimes and sentenced him to a life of prayer and penance (which he ignored). He could have dropped the Swiss Guard on him, imprison him, lash him twenty times everyday for a month until the day of his execution... but he didn't. Why do the Popes do the things they do? I don't know. Unlike the Pope Emeritus, Pope Francis has been caught lying about some serious stuff. I don't like it and it scandalises me, but I trust Our Lord and his faithful servants to correct the Church.

>Shouldn't good Catholics be demanding his resignation?
She is a monarchy, not a democracy. The Kingdom of God is a monarchy, it is not a democracy. Internal matters should be addressed by the competent authorities and if they fail to do so, then Our Lord will be their ultimate corrector.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:06:30 No.8618242 Report

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>>8618239
The soup is beef khao soi and the sausage is sai oua. It is excellent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:06:47 No.8618243 Report

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Kike

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:07:29 No.8618244 Report

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>>8618242
I thought you were an American expatriate or some other kind of foreigner. But judging by the food, I guess now.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:07:57 No.8618245 Report

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>>8618244
*not

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:11:24 No.8618246 Report

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>>8618236
Based Papiesz went to my neighbourhood when this place was a enormous garbage dump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:15:01 No.8618247 Report

Quoted By: >>8618251

>>8618241
Well I came to Catholicism because of the Dimond brothers.
Modern Catholics are spineless weaklings and don't love enough to tell the truth. The Dimond brothers tell the truth of church dogma. For example, I have known many Catholics and none of them ever told me prots are Christians or that there is no salvation outside of the one true holy and apostolic faith created by Our Lord Jesus Christ.
I admit I am very ignorant but the Dimond bros argue for the traditional Catholic faith and their arguments seem like good ones.
In contrast modern Catholic clergy and apologists like Catholic Answers have the big gay and can't decree established dogma like Protestants aren't Christian or there is no salvation outside of the Catholic faith.
The world is democratic. You vote with your dollars and your voice. Just because heaven and the Vatican are monarchies doesn't mean you can't voice your needs or concerns surely.
And you certainly can vote with your money to punish pozzed parishes.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:15:28 No.8618248 Report

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What's it like to be part of a religion whose deity is a suicidal, circumcised rabbi, and is constantly a puppet for globalist jews, and constantly riddled with pedophiles?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:16:45 No.8618249 Report

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>>8618245
I am an American but I am in Thailand to learn Muay Thai. The food is delicious.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:19:37 No.8618250 Report

Quoted By: >>8618252

Reminder that the Donation of Constantine was forged and Peter never ordered the other apostles around.

t. ex-cath

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:24:17 No.8618251 Report

Quoted By: >>8618254

>>8618247
>Well I came to Catholicism because of the Dimond brothers.
That certainly seems to be the case.

Anon, I appreciate your humble demeanour, I think you have the right mindset for learning. But you shouldn't really be insisting on seddie heresies. Listen to what other people have to say, consume more and more Catholic media, be them good books or whatever. Father Isaac Relyea is a good start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Zp8GsDe9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3WmTADnyE

Go to church sometime. I will pray to Our Lady to guide you. Consecrate yourself to Her and let Her lead you to Her Son.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:28:52 No.8618252 Report

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>>8618250

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:32:01 No.8618253 Report

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>>8618219
Based

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Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:38:04 No.8618254 Report

Quoted By: >>8618255 >>8618256

>>8618251
>I appreciate your humble demeanour, I think you have the right mindset for learning.
I only care about the truth, i don't care about being right for my own ends.
I appreciate your suggestions for other Catholic sources. I have tried to find other sources but alas many are pozzed so you should be able to understand why the Dimond brothers are an attractive option compared to people people like bishop baron saying that they don't even know if anyone is going to hell.
I'll continue to pray the rosary and study the catechism and follow wherever Jesus Christ and our blessed lady lead me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:50:47 No.8618255 Report

Quoted By: >>8618257

>>8618254
Well, I may not hold the Dimonds in high regard and may even utterly repudiate their theology, but if they managed to bring you to Christ, anon, then that is some good that they did.

There are tons of great Catholic sources, anon. Sensus Fidelium has a great collection of great Catholic preaching for example. Just try to detox the seddie nonsense, it just doesn't make any logical sense and gives the Papacy too much importance while entirely misconstruing some of our dogmas. It's sensational BS that veers into proddie End Times hysteria because, surprise, the Dimonds are spiritually protestant. Just remember that our faith is not in a vacuum and that the Eucharist is our greatest blessing, do NOT cut yourself from days of obligation and seek the sacraments.

May the Good Lord bless you, anon. You're on the right track.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 07:51:29 No.8618256 Report

Quoted By: >>8618257

>>8618254
Also, don't forget to listen to Father Relyea. Those videos I posted will do you some good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Aug 2019 08:06:44 No.8618257 Report

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>>8618256
I'll check them out
>>8618255
I disagree about the Dimond brothers. I think they are they some of the most Catholic people around and they would be considered normal and mundane a century or before.

You make some interesting points.
But I'll be honest with you, even if the Dimond brothers are wrong on some accounts, I am positive they are correct that the Nouvus Ordo mass is pozzed and from the devil and I think all the priests who take part in it have no respect for the faith.
You may be right on many accounts but the Latin mass is definitely the only way.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OSYJcocG Sun 25 Aug 2019 13:18:14 No.8620046 Report

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I play violin at mass :)

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