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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 19:17:14 No.9165893 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>9166245 >>9166248 >>9166402 >>9166448 >>9166528 >>9166940

Is it better to be passive aggressive or confrontational, /bant/?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:j0oYx25u Mon 02 Dec 2019 19:19:01 No.9165897 Report

Quoted By: >>9165904 >>9166160 >>9166187

stop wasting time and get to the point

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hS6iHMty Mon 02 Dec 2019 19:20:04 No.9165904 Report

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>>9165897
This
Passive aggressiveness is for fags only.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 19:33:51 No.9166160 Report

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>>9165897
But what about when cutting straight to the point is detrimental to your own argument? You could give the opposing person the opportunity to skirt around whatever you're saying.
Whereas being passive aggressive forces them to acknowledge what you're attempting to say, and therefore trap themselves.

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C¤©¤ℕυͳ !!ejZnhfeYlll ID:7kf7NDbL Mon 02 Dec 2019 19:43:00 No.9166187 Report

Quoted By: >>9166198

>>9165897

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 19:46:50 No.9166198 Report

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>>9166187
The correct response to passive aggression is not confrontation.
Then you look like the bad guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fS2UKTZ7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 19:53:51 No.9166218 Report

Quoted By: >>9166233

Have you ever tried talking about things simply because they're interesting to you rather than worrying how you're going to "win" a random conversation with a stranger

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:00:33 No.9166233 Report

Quoted By: >>9166242 >>9166268

>>9166218
If you're having a casual conversation with a stranger, I doubt you're being confrontational or passive aggressive. It's not about winning, either. It's about what is the correct thing to do, or the correct response given the situation.
That's clearly not what I'm referring to, Anon.

Like the posts above me said, confronting someone is better than being passive aggressive. But if someone is being passive aggressive towards you, how is it possible to respond WITHOUT being the bad guy?
The only two possible responses are don't acknowledge it, or stoop to their level and be passive aggressive.
How does one handle such a situation tactfully?
You don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:j0oYx25u Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:03:56 No.9166242 Report

Quoted By: >>9166264

>>9166233
you do
be the bad man

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hyvfJc6G Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:04:35 No.9166245 Report

Quoted By: >>9166264

>>9165893
The latter.

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Anonymous ID:4nhUt/e4 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:06:58 No.9166248 Report

Quoted By: >>9166264

>>9165893
what do you think?

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:11:06 No.9166264 Report

Quoted By: >>9166276 >>9166313

>>9166242
>be the bad man
Do you not have IRL friends, Anon?
>>9166245
>The latter.

So, if someone is being passive aggressive towards you; do you immediately blow them out by confronting them?
You're willing to instantly become the bad guy to do so? You open yourself up for real aggression once you do that.
>>9166248
I'd rather sit back and see how the cards lay themselves out. Someone's bound to make a mistake, easy to capitalize then.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fS2UKTZ7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:11:36 No.9166268 Report

Quoted By: >>9166301

>>9166233
Where did you get the idea that those are the only two possible responses? That doesn't make any sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4nhUt/e4 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:12:32 No.9166276 Report

Quoted By: >>9166301

>>9166264
yeah same. people always will reveal themselves eventually, then you just point it out back to them.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:19:44 No.9166301 Report

Quoted By: >>9166310 >>9166321

>>9166268
Technically they aren't the only two responses. There's a third. Which is become the aggressor.
There are three options when one is the "victim" (for lack of a better term) to someone else's passive aggression.
>Be passive aggressive in return
Requires acknowledgement of their passive aggression. Matches their emotion, they gain control of the situation/
>Aggression
Same as passive aggressive, except more explosive. Likely to end in a fist fight. You become the bad guy. They still have control
>Ignorance
Safest bet, you ignore their emotional plea. You don't seed control to them. You don't acknowledge their manipulative emotional game. UNTIL they become aggressive, then they are now the bad guy and they have seeded control to you.
>>9166276
That's what I'm thinking is the best course of action. Just hope it doesn't devolve into violence before all the cards are in play.
You know what I mean?
It's not good to spill the blood of those around you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fS2UKTZ7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:22:43 No.9166310 Report

Quoted By: >>9166411

>>9166301
Yeah somehow I doubt pretty much every word anon
Where do you get this idea that it's impossible for you to not be aggressive when acknowledging passive aggression

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hyvfJc6G Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:22:56 No.9166313 Report

Quoted By: >>9166411

>>9166264
>So, if someone is being passive aggressive towards you; do you immediately blow them out by confronting them?
It depends. In general I prefer honesty. If anyone has a problem with me just say and don't be a passive aggressive bitch puta

Normie

Normie ID:jpoZI+X5 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:24:10 No.9166316 Report

Quoted By: >>9166411

Confrontational. Nobody likes a passive aggressive asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4nhUt/e4 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:25:06 No.9166321 Report

Quoted By: >>9166411

>>9166301
shit, your situation sounds serious.

you should pray to Jesus desu senpai

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Anonymous ID:mlzb6RnY Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:34:05 No.9166402 Report

Quoted By: >>9166441 >>9166476

>>9165893
>Is it better to be passive aggressive or confrontational, /bant/?
Can't you just fight for your and your gf? And for your nephews and nieces?
I guarantee you no one will come at me without a gun and tell me what to do next. Because I will also have a gun on me. Been there done that.

Fight, you fucking pussy. Vid related.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:35:29 No.9166411 Report

Quoted By: >>9166420 >>9166527 >>9166962

>>9166310
Have you never actually been in an argument with someone who is passive aggressive?
The whole point of being passive aggressive is so you can play innocent and make the aggressor the bad guy.
The bad guy LOSES, I'm not trying to die this week Anon, thanks though.
>>9166313
>In general I prefer honesty.
I feel you. But that's typically not how most interactions go, you know?
The whole situation would be hella easy if honesty was just the first thing.
>>9166316
But confrontational loses to passive aggressive. How does one respond?
>>9166321
>shit, your situation sounds serious.
Extremely.
>you should pray to Jesus desu senpai
He can't save me now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4nhUt/e4 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:37:17 No.9166420 Report

Quoted By: >>9166441

>>9166411
i mean he could but whatever. i'm not gonna start a debate about it. goodluck and goodbye

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:40:43 No.9166441 Report

Quoted By: >>9166470

>>9166402
Yes, you're correct.
In a situation where the opposing party initiates with violence; violence is ALWAYS the correct response.

What if the initiator doesn't use violence though? Do you still just shoot them? Then you'd wind up in prison. It's not self defense.
>>9166420
>i mean he could but whatever.
Too late for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/RQA/+gK Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:42:34 No.9166448 Report

Quoted By: >>9166469

>>9165893
passive aggressive = beta faggot
confrontational = alpha chad

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:49:57 No.9166469 Report

Quoted By: >>9166475

>>9166448
That only works for the initiator.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mlzb6RnY Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:50:10 No.9166470 Report

Quoted By: >>9166494

>>9166441
>What if the initiator doesn't use violence though? Do you still just shoot them? Then you'd wind up in prison. It's not self defense.
Then I will just pin them down painfully enough and then vanish from the scene. Done that too.
>years of Fudoshin Aikido practice behind me

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/RQA/+gK Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:51:40 No.9166475 Report

Quoted By: >>9166494

>>9166469
No, it works both ways

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hyvfJc6G Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:52:03 No.9166476 Report

Quoted By: >>9166487

>>9166402
Nice webm

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mlzb6RnY Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:55:42 No.9166487 Report

Quoted By: >>9166502

>>9166476
It's for educational purposes. Got it? Good.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 20:58:01 No.9166494 Report

Quoted By: >>9166503 >>9166532

>>9166470
Sure, that works in a physical altercation.

Doesn't work so well in mental altercations.
>>9166475
It most definitely does not.
The person being passive aggressive wants you to respond with aggression. That's the entire point of being passive aggressive. You force the other person to make the first move.
Responding with aggression makes you the aggressor. AKA the bad guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hyvfJc6G Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:00:48 No.9166502 Report

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>>9166487
Thankfully, the only people who own guns in Europe are babby boom arse, neo-nazis and islamists

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/RQA/+gK Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:01:37 No.9166503 Report

Quoted By: >>9166509

>>9166494
I don't care, I'll shank a nigger if I must

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:03:32 No.9166509 Report

Quoted By: >>9166518

>>9166503
Well, are aren't talking about niggers here. This needs to be handled with tact.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/RQA/+gK Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:05:22 No.9166518 Report

Quoted By: >>9166548

>>9166509
Not all niggers are black. But all blacks are niggers and you must remember that my yank friend. You cannot reason with niggers, if one acts like a nigger they shall be treated like one; with a swift stab of my spoon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fS2UKTZ7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:06:46 No.9166527 Report

Quoted By: >>9166548

>>9166411
Yeah buddy I wasted a lot of time on that. You're really not thinking straight if you're going to the "if you doubt me you don't know what it's like" defense. I'm just trying to pry your brain to see if your emotional response isn't making you get the tunnel vision. You're overlooking other options you have

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WDdWoeeR Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:07:19 No.9166528 Report

Quoted By: >>9166548

>>9165893
Firm and straight to the point is the best of both worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mlzb6RnY Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:09:29 No.9166532 Report

Quoted By: >>9166548

>>9166494
Come at me pretty bro and we will see if it is just only physical.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:14:00 No.9166548 Report

Quoted By: >>9166552 >>9166557 >>9166657 >>9167007

>>9166518
That's only a last resort. After all other options have been exhausted, or are no long viable.
>>9166527
>You're overlooking other options you have
Such as what?
Any option requires acknowledging the person being passive aggressive and the thing they're being passive aggressive about. Once that happens; again, you become the bad guy.
The whole point is to avoid playing into the passive aggressive person's hand and becoming the bad guy.
HOW?
I need someone else to step on that trap. I'm not dying over some dumb shit.
>if your emotional response
I have no emotional response towards this situation. Emotions are extremely unimportant in situations like this. For that exact reason.
I'm unaware of the correct approach as to not wind up dead, or killing someone.
>>9166528
Life isn't always so cut and dry though, is it?
>>9166532
I'm not pretty, by any means.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fS2UKTZ7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:15:20 No.9166552 Report

Quoted By: >>9166581

>>9166548
How about you start off by cutting all the prissy hypothetical crap and actually explaining what the concrete situation is.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mlzb6RnY Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:16:37 No.9166557 Report

Quoted By: >>9166581

>>9166548
>I'm not pretty, by any means.
You sound like one.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:26:11 No.9166581 Report

Quoted By: >>9166677

>>9166552
I'm not being hypothetical at all. I've been vague, sure. With good reason.

I can give you a bit more information, though.
I'm going to be vague, you can deal with it.
Some people in my group of friends seem to think something about me. In the span of about two days some rumors have started. I don't know what they are. Two of my friends have been extremely passive aggressive towards me. I tend to just ignore it because there's no correct response for me at the moment, until someone fucks up and gives me the information I need. Lots of secrets going around, all about me.
Two people have blatantly spoken about me in "code" right to my face.

If I respond to this situation with aggression, or even confront them. I know the outcome. Their goal is very obvious.
>They passively aggress
>I acknowledge the aggression
>By acknowledging I become the bad guy
>Only response left is violence.

Is that enough information for you?
>>9166557
>You sound like one.
How so?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/RQA/+gK Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:28:36 No.9166657 Report

Quoted By: >>9166671

>>9166548
There're no other options with niggers. Violence is all that they understand.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:30:38 No.9166671 Report

Quoted By: >>9166928

>>9166657
Violence this early in the game is a death sentence. You can't respond to passive aggression with violence.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:fS2UKTZ7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:31:44 No.9166677 Report

Quoted By: >>9166954

>>9166581
No that's not enough information. Unless your specific intent was to make yourself sound like a paranoid schizo.
The only thing I can derive from that is that it's possible there's a huge problem with your capabilities in cognitive empathy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/IAhFy5k Mon 02 Dec 2019 21:44:39 No.9166762 Report

Quoted By: >>9166954

Assert dominance. Shit yourself and teabag them with your shit-sodden underwear still on

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/RQA/+gK Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:23:06 No.9166928 Report

Quoted By: >>9166954

>>9166671
Yes you can. Brute force is best force.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QlACeXg1 Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:28:11 No.9166940 Report

Quoted By: >>9166950 >>9166954

>>9165893
Neither. Be like Socrates when confronting Gorgias. Neither passive aggressive or confrontational, he just listened to his rhetorical form of argument and counter argued with inquires about the foundations of Gorgias arguments. Deconstruct anything that people tells you, find the core argument, judgement or idea, take it and prove it wrong. They won't answer. Put someone between a rock and a hard place without the need to attack them personally.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hyvfJc6G Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:30:22 No.9166950 Report

Quoted By: >>9166954 >>9166967

>>9166940
Or you could do it like Diogenes and not give a fuck about anything

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:32:21 No.9166954 Report

Quoted By: >>9166960 >>9166961

>>9166677
>sound like a paranoid schizo.
I knew it'd wind up there.
There is a such thing as a healthy amount of paranoia, you know.
>>9166762
Then I'd just have a shitty ass. No one wants that.
>>9166928
Brute forcing yourself right into a bullet is not an optimal outcome.
>>9166940
>Deconstruct anything that people tells you
That's the stance I've opted for currently. I just have to wait it out and see what happens. I can't put myself in a bad position by acting first.
>>9166950
And just go live in a barrel. I'd take that route if possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hyvfJc6G Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:36:50 No.9166960 Report

Quoted By: >>9166983

>>9166954
Living in a barrel is pretty great once you embrace the joie de vivre my dude

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/RQA/+gK Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:36:51 No.9166961 Report

Quoted By: >>9166983

>>9166954
You shank them before they can pull a stunt like that on you. Simple.

Normie

Normie ID:jpoZI+X5 Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:37:01 No.9166962 Report

Quoted By: >>9166983

>>9166411
No it doesn't you're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QlACeXg1 Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:39:12 No.9166967 Report

Quoted By: >>9166983

>>9166950
Cynics aspired to act like a dog. Nobody argues with dogs, they just kick them. This won't work for OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:46:54 No.9166983 Report

Quoted By: >>9166998 >>9167004

>>9166960
Wouldn't go over so well in this day and age.
>>9166961
>Bringing a knife to a gun fight
>>9166962
What are you on about?
>>9166967
>they just kick them.
Animal abuse is illegal here. Could work.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/RQA/+gK Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:52:34 No.9166998 Report

Quoted By: >>9167010

>>9166983
>gun fight
>UK
pick one

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hyvfJc6G Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:55:36 No.9167004 Report

Quoted By: >>9167010

>>9166983
>Wouldn't go over so well in this day and age.
It's more of an euthemism. As in the barrel is the confidence and just doing what you want to.
Money, women, superficial shit you don't really care about, but for whatever reason you think you should care about it doesn't matter.

The only thing that matters is what matters to you. Or do you think any of the minds of the past did what they've done because they felt obligated to? No. They did it, because they wanted to

I hope this makes any sense. I'm drunk. It's late. Sneed

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WDdWoeeR Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:57:57 No.9167007 Report

Quoted By: >>9167010

>>9166548
Sure, but it works well in most situations and you still have other options if you choose to / are forced to.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:01:08 No.9167010 Report

Quoted By: >>9167012 >>9167049

>>9166998
>pick one
Easy, guns.
>>9167004
>because they felt obligated to?
A desire is something you're obligated to. If you ignore your own desires you're doing yourself a disservice.
>I hope this makes any sense.
I get you.
>>9167007
It works, but it's usually the least optimal choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hyvfJc6G Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:02:42 No.9167012 Report

Quoted By: >>9167025

>>9167010
It's not really an obligation if the only one you feel obligated to is yourself.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:05:49 No.9167025 Report

Quoted By: >>9167056

>>9167012
You're obligated to yourself before everything else. Unless you have a kid.
The root of most unhappiness is not being able to be obligated to yourself. (being out of control)

Chenard !SoY.foxEY6

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Chenard !SoY.foxEY6 ID:MlnoQrfO Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:09:05 No.9167040 Report

Quoted By: >>9167054

best to be chill

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WDdWoeeR Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:11:55 No.9167049 Report

Quoted By: >>9167069

>>9167010
Not in my experience.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:12:50 No.9167054 Report

Quoted By:

>>9167040
Best answer.
And the one I try to practice myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:hyvfJc6G Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:13:11 No.9167056 Report

Quoted By: >>9167069

>>9167025
>ob•li•ga•tion ŏblĭ-gāshən► n.
>A social, legal, or moral requirement, such as a duty, contract, or promise, that compels one to follow or avoid a particular course of action.

Lets just say we're both right lol

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:17:15 No.9167069 Report

Quoted By: >>9167084

>>9167056
There are many different obligations, I can accept that.
>>9167049
Pretty lucky for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WDdWoeeR Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:23:28 No.9167084 Report

Quoted By: >>9167094

>>9167069
I'm an old geezer, luck doesn't last that long.

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Anonymous ID:rP9JS5e7 Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:28:52 No.9167094 Report

Quoted By: >>9167114

>>9167084
Bad luck can last a lifetime, so can good luck.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WDdWoeeR Mon 02 Dec 2019 23:43:52 No.9167114 Report

Quoted By:

>>9167094
You're playing word games. That's why firm and straight to the point doesn't work for you. It's a waste of time and energy. Good luck.

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