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Germany vs. freedom of speech

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Mon 27 Jan 2020 15:32:51 No.9448256 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>9448283 >>9448296 >>9448381 >>9449132 >>9449182 >>9450051 >>9450369 >>9453189 >>9453472 >>9453502 >>9457083 >>9458582

Deutschfags, I am genuinely interested in your opinion on the fact that your constitution guarantees freedom of opinion, but NOT freedom of expression (i.e. speech).
Members of other countries are welcome to chime in, but will be discriminated against according to flag and level of retardation.
t. Amerifat living among you
>pic barely related

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Anonymous ID:LsLTCu0Z Mon 27 Jan 2020 15:52:28 No.9448283 Report

Quoted By: >>9448288

>>9448256
fuck you im not retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OH/xUepa Mon 27 Jan 2020 15:54:38 No.9448288 Report

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>>9448283
proof it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zUXiUxzA Mon 27 Jan 2020 15:59:22 No.9448296 Report

Quoted By: >>9448304 >>9448307 >>9448330 >>9448374 >>9449202 >>9457114

>>9448256
In my opinion the holocaust didn't happen

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OH/xUepa Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:01:13 No.9448304 Report

Quoted By: >>9448325

>>9448296
Found the retard

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Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:02:01 No.9448307 Report

Quoted By: >>9448325 >>9450068

>>9448296
either pure troll or level 5 retard glownigger

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zUXiUxzA Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:07:17 No.9448325 Report

Quoted By: >>9448333 >>9448374

>>9448307
>>9448304
found the jews

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Anonymous ID:C5fSlfPC Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:10:28 No.9448330 Report

Quoted By: >>9448337 >>9448374

>>9448296
Dzwonie na policję

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Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:11:51 No.9448333 Report

Quoted By: >>9448337

>>9448325
sure thing bucko
maybe they didn't kill 6 billion but they were definitely trying

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Anonymous ID:zUXiUxzA Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:14:36 No.9448337 Report

Quoted By: >>9448369 >>9448374

>>9448330
o kurwa
>>9448333
trying to deport them to Madagascar, yes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OH/xUepa Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:28:27 No.9448369 Report

Quoted By: >>9448427

>>9448337
Polish death camps dude

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:KcLDk/5F Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:29:41 No.9448374 Report

Quoted By: >>9448427

>>9448296
>>9448325
>>9448330
>>9448337
paki you got one chance to fuck off

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Anonymous ID:pnC/7PL4 Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:32:08 No.9448381 Report

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>>9448256
lmao just don't express ur opinions lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zUXiUxzA Mon 27 Jan 2020 16:49:28 No.9448427 Report

Quoted By: >>9448953

>>9448374
>leaf
>>9448369
there were no 'death camps'

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Mon 27 Jan 2020 19:08:35 No.9448953 Report

Quoted By: >>9448977 >>9448978

>>9448427
>there were no "death camps"
then , just purely out of curiosity, what were the facilities at Buchenwald, Auschwitz, Sobibor, etc.?

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Anonymous ID:iv9dfOhr Mon 27 Jan 2020 19:20:00 No.9448977 Report

Quoted By: >>9449046 >>9449846 >>9453203 >>9455661

>>9448953
Objectively watch this. The scariest part is it provides multiple video, audio & photo sources that heavily disprove an awful lot of it. I'm not telling you I have absolute confidence that much of it is true, a cynic would immediately chalk this off as a love-letter to uncle Hitler. But the latter episodes were real eye openers.

To seriously answer your question I suppose Minority Report: book or film is a good point of reference where people are judged not for their actions but because their brain has the potentiality of performing illegal acts. Same for thought crimes. I'm totally for free speech but against hate speech when hate speech is a direct call to harm.

https://youtu.be/1-FI6D8ZXpc

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zUXiUxzA Mon 27 Jan 2020 19:20:55 No.9448978 Report

Quoted By: >>9449005 >>9453472

>>9448953
concentration camps. 'death camps' is a soviet invention to make nazi camps seem worse than Siberia and Gulags

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Anonymous ID:OH/xUepa Mon 27 Jan 2020 19:30:01 No.9449005 Report

Quoted By: >>9449047 >>9449107

>>9448978
Keep sucking that nazi cock, cuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Mon 27 Jan 2020 19:45:28 No.9449046 Report

Quoted By: >>9449841

>>9448977
It is that even legal in Germany?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QMKKOw6N Mon 27 Jan 2020 19:46:02 No.9449047 Report

Quoted By: >>9449064

>>9449005
>sucking that nazi cock
No one is sucking my dick, but my gf you fucking mutt. Your proxy isn't fooling me, cunt

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Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Mon 27 Jan 2020 19:52:22 No.9449064 Report

Quoted By: >>9449136

>>9449047
what the fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zUXiUxzA Mon 27 Jan 2020 20:01:40 No.9449107 Report

Quoted By: >>9449156

>>9449005
neck yourself

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Anonymous ID:cGzVWDHR Mon 27 Jan 2020 20:06:31 No.9449132 Report

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>>9448256
The German constitution became defunct and was never replaced. They, like Israel, have a basic law.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QMKKOw6N Mon 27 Jan 2020 20:06:42 No.9449136 Report

Quoted By: >>9449181

>>9449064
idi nahui pidorashka. /bant/ is too IQ for your jewry

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Anonymous ID:OH/xUepa Mon 27 Jan 2020 20:11:55 No.9449156 Report

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>>9449107
no u

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Mon 27 Jan 2020 20:17:45 No.9449181 Report

Quoted By: >>9449214

>>9449136
ich kann kein /Pol/ack, sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:c0fzJfif Mon 27 Jan 2020 20:18:04 No.9449182 Report

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>>9448256
Are you working in Germany, or on vacation?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:c0fzJfif Mon 27 Jan 2020 20:22:07 No.9449202 Report

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>>9448296
Based and truthpilled. Hitler wasn't secretive about his hatred of kikes, yet we're supposed to believe he kept the Holohoax a secret and wasted fuel transporting kikes to these deathcamps when a bullet is much cheaper.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QMKKOw6N Mon 27 Jan 2020 20:23:43 No.9449214 Report

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>>9449181
Das is' Russisch du Bumsnudel

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OH/xUepa Mon 27 Jan 2020 20:28:31 No.9449238 Report

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen_reports

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Anonymous ID:cGzVWDHR Mon 27 Jan 2020 22:15:55 No.9449747 Report

Quoted By: >>9460297

How do you say, "sloppy job Hitler", for holocaust Memorial Day, in German?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TCFVqIAn Mon 27 Jan 2020 22:41:37 No.9449841 Report

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>>9449046
More importantly why would they wish to ban a documentary!? Telling you something?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dXoUs369 Mon 27 Jan 2020 22:42:49 No.9449846 Report

Quoted By: >>9449880

>>9448977
I've watched it. Mountains of unsubstantiated claims, dubbed over two hours of literally stolen footage from other documentaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TCFVqIAn Mon 27 Jan 2020 22:48:24 No.9449880 Report

Quoted By: >>9450020

>>9449846
Its over 8 hours long and it's really the second part that's the most important part.
>Unsubstantiated claims? Most everything I saw had as much proof that I've seen the other side cough up. The episode they made that covered Auschwitz and the later added chimneys & cheap wooden doors?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dXoUs369 Mon 27 Jan 2020 23:02:04 No.9450020 Report

Quoted By: >>9450953 >>9454382

>>9449880
The YouTube rip I found was only three hours, not sure what part it is that I've seen.

That part, however, I can answer. The wooden door is not the gas chamber door. The gas chamber building, crematorium 1, was converted to an air raid shelter for camp guards in 1943, after Auschwitz has been decommissioned as a death camp, and its executions were taking place at Birkenau. The wooden door and chimneys were for the soldiers after that, not the Jews being gassed.

And no, Leuchter was not a scientist, before that one comes up. His methodology was flawed and studied since have shown that there was cyanide in the room.

I suppose unsubstantiated isn't a great word to use. "Based on pseudoscientific, long-debunked theories that seem convincing if you're looking for a reason to justify your beliefs" would be a better way to put it.

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Anonymous ID:vndQ5xQW Mon 27 Jan 2020 23:08:35 No.9450051 Report

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>>9448256
That's how it works in all countries. The difference between Germany's constitution and the ones from the rest of the world is that it isn't lying

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VXYW1pQK Mon 27 Jan 2020 23:11:55 No.9450068 Report

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>>9448307
u could literally say anything a la "germany bad in x" and some retarded german mahmud would come in calling op a faggot
this has to stop

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Anonymous ID:pKlzPW2Y Tue 28 Jan 2020 00:23:19 No.9450369 Report

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>>9448256

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Anonymous ID:cGzVWDHR Tue 28 Jan 2020 02:00:31 No.9450953 Report

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>>9450020
Leuchter is an expert on using HCN for executions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Tue 28 Jan 2020 03:39:23 No.9451172 Report

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bump

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Anonymous ID:cGzVWDHR Tue 28 Jan 2020 05:52:57 No.9451683 Report

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Anonymous ID:xlO+B2eO Tue 28 Jan 2020 13:19:12 No.9453189 Report

Quoted By: >>9453336

>>9448256
>the fact that your constitution
that constitution was written by some faggots supervised by allied command (didn't checked if many (((them)))s in it), and put upon the people, without a proper vote. Also it is written: the constitution (((for))) the German republic, not the constitution of the people >>>in<<< the German republic // semantics

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Anonymous ID:d8ksv4nD Tue 28 Jan 2020 13:26:45 No.9453203 Report

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>>9448977
How very liberal of you. You can say anything you want it's your right. Unless of course you say something I don't like. Fucking faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:d8ksv4nD Tue 28 Jan 2020 13:31:45 No.9453218 Report

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Whenever I have a much needed free labor force cuz all my men are fighting the first think I think of is "Hey you know what? This is cool but killing them and useing my fighting men for industry is a better idea." Fucking idiots.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9j/weaFw Tue 28 Jan 2020 13:48:13 No.9453336 Report

Quoted By: >>9453342 >>9453352 >>9453404

>>9453189
But also most Germans would be against any popular vote to ratify a Grundgesetz because muh guilt so now the people can't be trusted. The fact that the Nazis were a populist movement is why you don't have a popular election for Chancellor and most likely never will. "The people cannot be trusted" is practically the mantra they teach kids here. "Das Volk" is a bad word not just because it was central to Nazi propaganda, but because unifying people for a single cause is dangerous to stability, something Germans strive for. Great change is automatically assumed to be dangerous, whether it be good or bad is beside the point. That's part of why literally EVERYTHING is bogged down in reams of bureaucracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:9j/weaFw Tue 28 Jan 2020 13:51:04 No.9453342 Report

Quoted By: >>9453370

>>9453336
ich bin der Ami Schwuchtel OP übrigens. Anderer ID weil ich erade vom Handy poste

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cIZRtvVa Tue 28 Jan 2020 13:53:55 No.9453352 Report

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>>9453336
>The people cannot be trusted
True
There's no "Volk", only bydlo

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Anonymous ID:xlO+B2eO Tue 28 Jan 2020 14:03:32 No.9453370 Report

Quoted By: >>9455595

>>9453342
irgendwie zuviel deutscher Slang für nen Ami.

ჶ_Muerte_ჶ

ჶ_Muerte_ჶ ID:3uc5wjgK Tue 28 Jan 2020 14:15:45 No.9453399 Report

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Retarded gerries

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Anonymous ID:xlO+B2eO Tue 28 Jan 2020 14:17:03 No.9453404 Report

Quoted By: >>9455580

>>9453336
>people can't be trusted
to be quite frank. People are stupid. That is why propaganda subverts voting and it doesn't work. Democracy is Bullshit. And even if you had only smart people in a society, it still would be hell of a time spend to actually get an informed opinion on all topics that concerns a society. Therefore representation is the easy way out, but having it centralized it is corruptible either. So in the end you need a non corruptible ruler that still relies on information gathering of other peoples to make up his mind. Only bonus point with this is you can decapitate if he fucks up to hard and start fresh with a new one. But still better than a hydra of parties feeding a parliament, that only costs shity much and doesn't make better decisions than a single person will make.

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Anonymous ID:HBRqs8LI Tue 28 Jan 2020 14:45:54 No.9453472 Report

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>>9448256
Wenn unsere Gegner sagen: Ja, wir haben Euch doch früher die Meinheit-, die Freiheit der Meinung zugebilligt- -, ja, Ihr uns, das ist ja kein Beweis, daß wir das Euch auch tuen sollen! [Gelächter.] Eure Dummheit braucht doch nicht auf uns ansteckend zu wirken! [Gelächter.] Daß Ihr das uns gegeben habt, - das ist ja ein Beweis dafür, wie dumm Ihr seid! [Gelächter.]

Basically, it's Goebbels saying how Weimar republic people were stupid to give the Nazis freedom of speech.

>>9448978
>the absolute state of Polishfags

I hate Putin but I hope he fucks your shithole racist nation.

Reminds me of the Polish girl giving a tour in Auschwitz making it all about Poles.

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Anonymous ID:HBRqs8LI Tue 28 Jan 2020 14:56:04 No.9453502 Report

Quoted By: >>9457038

>>9448256
Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance.
If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

We should claim theright to suppress them if necessary even by force;
for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.

We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

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Anonymous ID:TCFVqIAn Tue 28 Jan 2020 17:34:40 No.9454382 Report

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>>9450020
Ello, long day at work! I'd need to go rewatch but I definitely recall Nazi recordings of the infamous shower section before and after the Russians got there. You could see the modifications as the paint job literally dried. Nit just the door, but the air ventilation system, underfloor waterflow loads of stuff which would mean there was tons of airflow in the rooms, way more than enough to render a gas-based system impossible. Not to mention the way the documentary tore apart the trains arrival / drop-off point as being the said infamous shower room which made absolutely no sense along with the fact that they installed tennis courts, olympic sized swimming pools, a theatre, music hall and creature comforts you wouldn't even get from a half decent spa these days.

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Anonymous ID:TCFVqIAn Tue 28 Jan 2020 17:36:38 No.9454386 Report

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And the well discussed fact that the only "death camps" they found were only the ones the red-cross hadn't already visited and ticked off as being humane and fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Tue 28 Jan 2020 20:33:30 No.9455580 Report

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>>9453404
nice englisch faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Tue 28 Jan 2020 20:36:59 No.9455595 Report

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>>9453370
keine Ahnung wovon du redest, aber kennst du ganz ehrlich kein einzigen Ami der nbisl Deutsch kann?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Ws4AjHiG Tue 28 Jan 2020 20:50:13 No.9455661 Report

Quoted By: >>9459940

>>9448977
That film was made for illiterates by illiterates, and it sources half of its shit from literal nazi propaganda.

https://imgur.com/gallery/nUtifYK

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Anonymous ID:cGzVWDHR Wed 29 Jan 2020 00:49:26 No.9456392 Report

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Anonymous ID:cGzVWDHR Wed 29 Jan 2020 01:38:04 No.9456563 Report

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Take this quiz. You're not a pol/ack/ if you get less than 10.

https://jan27.org/holocaust-quiz/

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Wed 29 Jan 2020 04:07:59 No.9457038 Report

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>>9453502
oof. I'm just too American to agree that (the utterance of) any essentially nonviolent opinion should be criminal.
Not to mention your logic is inherently contradictory.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZnRpCrLU Wed 29 Jan 2020 04:24:57 No.9457083 Report

Quoted By: >>9457124

>>9448256
I mean, I’m American but I’m also Hispanic so I can “half way” get away with saying somethings. If you’re black in the other hand, you can pretty much say whatever tf you want

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:QS6HNvMx Wed 29 Jan 2020 04:33:51 No.9457114 Report

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>>9448296
This.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Wed 29 Jan 2020 04:36:06 No.9457124 Report

Quoted By: >>9457230

>>9457083
Do you live in Germany?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZnRpCrLU Wed 29 Jan 2020 05:25:01 No.9457230 Report

Quoted By: >>9459169

>>9457124
Ohh, uhhh... ja?

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Anonymous ID:cGzVWDHR Wed 29 Jan 2020 14:28:22 No.9458576 Report

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Anonymous ID:SZ0RH7kD Wed 29 Jan 2020 14:32:55 No.9458582 Report

Quoted By: >>9459169

>>9448256
who the hell reads their own country's constitution?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+0rKolDH Wed 29 Jan 2020 15:15:55 No.9459169 Report

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>>9457230
Your opinion is wholly irrelevant to this discussion. Fuck along now.
>>9458582
Law nerds. People into political thought. They give out a little "Grundgesetz" at all kinds of events and occasions here.
Also, it's not my constitution I just live here because the US is a shithole.

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Anonymous ID:cGzVWDHR Wed 29 Jan 2020 18:05:33 No.9459836 Report

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Anonymous ID:TCFVqIAn Wed 29 Jan 2020 18:36:49 No.9459940 Report

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>>9455661
Read the comments section? His debunking is as strawman as his counter arguement. Also talk about cherry picking, this "debunking" is as selective as to which topics is dismantles as the documentary it attacks. What about the numerous video and audio interviews, books that had been produced but have all been effectively burned from our memories. It's certainly got points, but really read it. It (a) stinks of lefty patronising and (b) then one-up's Wiseman's credible citations from various sources much closer to the actual time of events with nothing but a bag full of wikifuckingpedia articles. Weak sauce. I am open minded hence calling a large chunk of the documentary a love letter to Hitler, but it has multiple salient points that this wiki-expert intelligently side steps.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FCmELki4 Wed 29 Jan 2020 20:44:57 No.9460297 Report

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>>9449747
schlampige Arbeit, Hitler

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