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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:47:11 No.9571593 View View Reply Original Report

Who created God?

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:47:45 No.9571594 Report

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>>9571593
I did AMA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:48:05 No.9571595 Report

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>>9571593
Me/You

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:48:26 No.9571596 Report

Quoted By: >>9571607 >>9571612

>>9571594
Who created the God that created you that made God?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:48:27 No.9571597 Report

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>>9571594
How why and when

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:48:41 No.9571598 Report

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>>9571593
niggers did so you best worship them

or suffer

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:48:50 No.9571599 Report

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>>9571593
I have a big problem with niggers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:49:26 No.9571600 Report

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>>9571593
Odin created himself

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:49:36 No.9571601 Report

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>>9571593
Alois Hitler

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:49:54 No.9571602 Report

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>>9571593
He is the only self justifying thing whose existence is not preceded by something else. Nothing created God, He is uncreated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:50:00 No.9571603 Report

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>>9571593
Goyim

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:50:19 No.9571604 Report

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>>9571594
Is your name perchance Dio?

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:51:02 No.9571605 Report

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>>9571593
The Finnish.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:51:20 No.9571606 Report

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>>9571593
Gods mother and father, are you retarded op?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:52:35 No.9571607 Report

Quoted By: >>9571611

>>9571596
I always existed theres no beginning
>>9571597
One word ....shapes
>>9571604
J..jotaro?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:53:03 No.9571608 Report

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>>9571600
Odin was born of Borr and Bestla.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:53:42 No.9571609 Report

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>>9571593
Ask this tomorrow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:54:42 No.9571610 Report

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>>9571593
Math is God and math kind of just is.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:55:12 No.9571611 Report

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>>9571607
>weeb answer
Very disappointing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:57:12 No.9571612 Report

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>>9571593
Your question is malformed. First of all, God is a modern blanket label for several other names.
>>9571596
You're just being silly. Read a book.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:58:10 No.9571613 Report

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>>9571606

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 19:59:52 No.9571614 Report

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>>9571611
Alright based boomer

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:02:51 No.9571615 Report

Quoted By: >>9571631

>>9571593
You as a created being, with a beginning and an end, can't fathom a noncreated being.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:04:11 No.9571616 Report

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>>9571593
https://youtu.be/w6AHcv19NIc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:07:08 No.9571617 Report

Quoted By: >>9571619

>god doesn't have to be created he just always is
>what do you mean nothing created the universe? nothing can exist without it being created first
christkikes everyone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:11:41 No.9571618 Report

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>>9571604
Dio was most likely the AC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:13:41 No.9571619 Report

Quoted By: >>9571641

>>9571617
2nd law of thermodynamics proves that something about the universe isn't perfect and will eventually 'die', and, its constant expansion proves that /whatever/ caused it to expand in the first place comes from a finite place in time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:15:25 No.9571620 Report

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future cyborg Richard Dawkins

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:16:54 No.9571621 Report

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>>9571593
Ogd did

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:17:15 No.9571622 Report

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>>9571593
It is turtles all the way down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:21:15 No.9571623 Report

Quoted By: >>9571628 >>9571629 >>9571630 >>9571632 >>9571635 >>9571637

If God is almighty can he/she/it make a rock so heavy that even he/she/it couldn't lift?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:24:12 No.9571624 Report

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>>9571594
can I tongue your anus o' almighty?

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:24:55 No.9571625 Report

Quoted By: >>9571633 >>9572129

Actually Elohim was a strange pharao who came from "north extreme" or ultima thule. Maybe with a flying ship or such. He form man as an image of himself. Therefore we all look like not belonging this planet fauna.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:24:58 No.9571626 Report

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>>9571593
The Bogdanoff twins.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:25:40 No.9571627 Report

Quoted By: >>9571638

>>9571593

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI6K1Y7fvW0&;

Jesus with you my friend. May he reach you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:25:50 No.9571628 Report

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>>9571623
Existence itself is predicated on God so the question is nonsensical. “Lifting” is predicated on existence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:26:31 No.9571629 Report

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>>9571623
This question makes no sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:28:45 No.9571630 Report

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>>9571623
That's like asking someone who knows every dog breed to name a breed that he doesn't know

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:29:01 No.9571631 Report

Quoted By: >>9571636

>>9571615
>can't imagine the uncreated
How about the number 4. Nobody invented that shit. Always was, always will be. Easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:29:30 No.9571632 Report

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>>9571623
Yes.

>How is that even hard for people to grasp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:30:02 No.9571633 Report

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>>9571625
Elohim literally means "The Strengths" / "The Forces" in other words the laws of nature.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:30:07 No.9571634 Report

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You cannot say that anything created God, as he has always existed and is not conditioned by time.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:30:34 No.9571635 Report

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>>9571623
This is the definition of dividing by zero.

x-1/(x-1) a potential solution is x = 1 but it's obviously invalid like your question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:30:39 No.9571636 Report

Quoted By: >>9571640

>>9571631
>nobody invented number 4
What

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:31:34 No.9571637 Report

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>>9571623
He already did that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:31:34 No.9571638 Report

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>>9571627
>The King of the Jews

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Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:34:52 No.9571639 Report

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>>9571593
the same people who created religion.
anarchists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:35:23 No.9571640 Report

Quoted By: >>9571642 >>9571644

>>9571636
Math just is. We don't invent it, we discover it. That's why the cleanest definition for God is math.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:36:28 No.9571641 Report

Quoted By: >>9571652

>>9571619
tell me why that "finite place in time" has to be from an intelligent creator?
why can't it exist without having something created it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:37:59 No.9571642 Report

Quoted By: >>9571646

>>9571640
Thats completely wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:38:47 No.9571643 Report

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>>9571593
me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:46:02 No.9571644 Report

Quoted By: >>9571649 >>9571984

>>9571640
You're confusing the map with the territory. We made the map based on surface level observations of reality. The map can never fully encompass the territory or it itself would be the territory, there would be no distinction and no use for the map. Reality is much more complex than math, 1 doesn't exist only the systems that allow us to construct the patterns that 1 represent in our minds which also emerge in physical phenomena from certain perspectives like when we observe 1 apple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:46:12 No.9571645 Report

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>>9571593
A being that is called God... would such being have to be created at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:46:44 No.9571646 Report

Quoted By: >>9571648 >>9571918

>>9571642
At bottom everything is composed of grids of interacting probabilities which are arrows which are just numbers with a magnitude and a direction. Numbers just are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:46:46 No.9571647 Report

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humans

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:47:19 No.9571648 Report

Quoted By: >>9571651

>>9571646
numbers = consciousness

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:47:27 No.9571649 Report

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>>9571644
>confusing map with territory
Nope. The universe is intrinsically mathematical. at bottom everything is made of numbers, quite literally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:48:18 No.9571650 Report

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>>9571593
Finland

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:48:20 No.9571651 Report

Quoted By: >>9571872 >>9571918

>>9571648
>numbers = conciousness
Numbers = everything.
God, man, the universe, conciousness, love, beauty all of it is just grids of numbers. That's physics, that's math. It always was and always will be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:50:01 No.9571652 Report

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>>9571641
Because if everything was perfect before the "big bang" (or what-the-fuck ever) then there would be no reason for there to be a "big bang". The only reason something perfect and eternal would change, is because if it wanted to, or was moved to do so by some outside force.

Sentience is necessary. Do you philosophy? Prime mover problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qz/Eqf9T Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:51:47 No.9571872 Report

Quoted By: >>9571955

>>9571651
>>244051425
Think about it. Why is 1 + 1 = 2, every time? Because you are dealing with a conscious, omniscient intelligence, which by virtue of its own might gives you the correct answer every time you invoke it Every mathematical equation is an expression of self-awareness, a manifestation of conscious truth. Math is, God is, numbers are all the same thing: infinite love.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DIa2PS1o Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:53:36 No.9571918 Report

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>>9571651
>>9571646
You're wrong and bluepilled

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:01:07 No.9571955 Report

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>>9571872
Fuck yes, yet another anon who has his third eye so open the light from it can be seen from space.
>tfw God shows you many others have also been shown the truth
>tfw "the secret of the most high is with those who fear him"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CbFjkSMX Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:10:21 No.9571984 Report

Quoted By: >>9572017

>>9571644
Twice blessed. The post ended in 44 before it was moved and again after.
The number god btfo all the number cultists personally.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:20:56 No.9572017 Report

Quoted By: >>9572055

>>9571984
Everything is made out of numbers and pseudo random number generators aren't magic.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CbFjkSMX Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:33:19 No.9572055 Report

Quoted By: >>9572073

>>9572017
>Everything is made out of numbers
I see why you would think that and it has to do with conditioning not logic. Nothing is made out of numbers not even computer software. The real interactions between components are represented numerically so we can manipulate them. The distinction between a 1 and a 0 on a hard drive is arbitrary, we decide what magnetic charge constitutes a 1 and what means a 0.

You have yet to say anything in 20 posts. You just repeat your braindead claim as fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:37:22 No.9572073 Report

Quoted By: >>9572079

>>9572055
Quantum mechanics is all smeared out probabilities. At bottom those are arrows. At bottom those arrows are vectors. Vectors are just arrays of numbers.

So again, how am I not saying anything?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CbFjkSMX Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:39:28 No.9572079 Report

Quoted By: >>9572096

>>9572073
Vectors are representations of forces, they're not the forces themselves. The numbers you use to represent a physical phenomena is not the physical phenomena. You're confusing the map for the territory and repeating the same claim over and over.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:44:04 No.9572096 Report

Quoted By: >>9572130

>>9572079
Wrong. The forces -are- vectors quite literally. Mathematical representations would not match reality so unreasonably effectively unless the universe itself was mathematical in nature. The fact of the matter is that everything is numbers. Literally numbers. Our representations of them naturally are numerical because what they're representing is numerical. You are made of math, math doesn't simply "represent" you - you -are- math (as is everything).

blackmagic

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blackmagic ID:VKQeC+kx Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:53:24 No.9572129 Report

Quoted By: >>9572156

>>9571625
Yahweh, Ala, Allah, Elohim, he has four names that i know of. Five if you count Ken
Have you seen this movie??? I have, Worth a watch, particularly the child abduction scenes
it's like the ships they are on can levitate them out of the house through walls and roofs
Interesting movie, a lot of Sumerian/Mesopotamian demon worship characters explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYAbrh7J0ik

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CbFjkSMX Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:53:29 No.9572130 Report

Quoted By: >>9572138 >>9572146

>>9572096
>the universe itself was mathematical in nature
Your claim is shifting over to recognizing the distinction. The parts of reality that math describes are like math describes, they're not math. Confusing the issue and saying reality is math is the most anti science claim possible, it locks anyone who believes it into conditioned dogma like a cargo cult.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 21:58:00 No.9572138 Report

Quoted By: >>9572151 >>9572153

>>9572130
No, they are math. They aren't JUST represented by -our- math. You do know that this way of viewing the world is well accepted by big think in cosmology these days. The universe isn't just represented by math, the universe -is- math. (how many times do I need to underline -is- for you)?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:00:09 No.9572146 Report

Quoted By: >>9572153

>>9572130
You just weren't aware that the view that the universe may be -made- out of math is a cutting edge view in cosmology. You keep telling me and yourself I'm tripping over definitions when I'm telling you something very deep you are missing. The universe -is- (is is is) MATH

blackmagic

blackmagic ID:VKQeC+kx Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:03:38 No.9572151 Report

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>>9572138
perhaps the alien part is
but i am a real human
and, in 51 years, have not been able to be abducted onto their ships
perhaps they just don't want me or am protected by a REAL power
i have an implant between the thumb and first finger of my left hand

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CbFjkSMX Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:04:23 No.9572153 Report

Quoted By: >>9572160 >>9572164

>>9572138
You aren't underlining anything or backing anything up just repeating your conditioned dogma like expected from someone unfamiliar with reason.
I don't care what some retard cosmologist said unless he can back his reasoning up. You don't seem to be able to not even by referencing what someone else said.
>>9572146
>may be -made- out of math
It may not. The claim is absolutely retarded in every way and you have no reasoning to base it on. You just say that's how it is over and over.
>cutting edge
Ah yes cutting edge science like the "science" of justifying cutting your dick off and the philosophy of accepted norms as valid axioms.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:05:01 No.9572156 Report

Quoted By: >>9572159

>>9572129
If any kind of that faggotry was real they wouldn't need such spooky editing.

blackmagic

blackmagic ID:VKQeC+kx Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:05:57 No.9572159 Report

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>>9572156
ok Mr Expert, sure

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:06:14 No.9572160 Report

Quoted By: >>9572171 >>9572179

>>9572153
Why is believing the universe to be mathematical "absolutely retarded?" Can you come up with a single reason?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:06:54 No.9572164 Report

Quoted By: >>9572183

>>9572153
Hurry up faggot. If the universe isn't mathematical why does math describe it so unreasonably well?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CbFjkSMX Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:08:22 No.9572171 Report

Quoted By: >>9572181

>>9572160
I already explained it in detail. The hard drive example applies to everything math describes. So far you didn't even attempt to explain anything. It's your turn to explain your absolutely retarded brainwashing.

blackmagic

blackmagic ID:VKQeC+kx Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:10:18 No.9572179 Report

Quoted By: >>9572189

>>9572160
I'm not going to bother, I'm still half asleep atm
but this might help a bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL543-eY38M

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:10:32 No.9572181 Report

Quoted By: >>9572211

>>9572171
You said that voltages are arbitrary in base-2 computer systems. How does it follow from the shape of the names we use that the universe is not mathematical? The fact that math describes the universe for all intents and purposes perfectly is the proof that the universe is mathematical in nature and isn't some unrelated fluke that math describes it so unreasonably well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CbFjkSMX Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:10:53 No.9572183 Report

Quoted By: >>9572191 >>9572199

>>9572164
>Why do the tools we adapted to describe reality work?
They work decently by the way not "unreasonably well". Again everything you say is cargo cultist tier, like you worship math but don't understand it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:11:55 No.9572189 Report

Quoted By: >>9572197

>>9572179
Accept it, anon, you're made out of numbers unironically and literally.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:13:15 No.9572191 Report

Quoted By: >>9572211

>>9572183
Decently? They work unreasonably well. Given the initial position of ballistic objects we can perfectly predict their course going backwards and forwards in time yet the actual universe that is so perfectly represented mathematically has no intrinsically mathematical nature? That seems irreconcilable to me.

blackmagic

blackmagic ID:VKQeC+kx Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:15:12 No.9572197 Report

Quoted By: >>9572200

>>9572189
When will you give up, boy ???
I don't like boys
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB1CUje6T_TEmlXOdJ5iHVg

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:15:32 No.9572199 Report

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>>9572183
I perceive 1) you haven't understood what I was saying ITT 2) you've never encountered this idea before 3) you still haven't honestly considered it and instead have only given me ad hominems and non sequiters (wtf would the fact that the voltages we use to stand in for base-2 numbers being arbitrary imply that the universe is not mathematical!?)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:16:15 No.9572200 Report

Quoted By: >>9572257

>>9572197
pearls before swine
>t. dust wiped

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CbFjkSMX Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:18:37 No.9572211 Report

Quoted By: >>9572227

>>9572181
We assign numerical values to represent complex systems, the pattern we measure as simply 1 is an expression of an unimaginably complex system that's running universally not locally in that place like the binary model assumes. Just because the map guides you accurately doesn't mean the map is reality. It represents part of reality and allows you to manipulate it. Retards with no sense of reason get conditioned by that into thinking the tools they're using are the reality they're manipulating.
>>9572191
You're unimaginably retarded. Just stop posting and think about what I mean by the difference between the map and the territory and how you could possibly confuse the two.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUktLAfV Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:22:33 No.9572227 Report

Quoted By: >>9572247

>>9572211
Your argument boils down to "we can call the maths we use a map" => what that map describes is not the map. You have started with a false premise. I never argued that the maths we use are the universe. My argument is that the universe -is- math PART of that math is the math we use to describe it (the map as you call it). The math/map we use is a miniscule fraction of the math that the universe -is-. You may not have realized you were straw manning me but by assuming I'm arguing that our maths is the universe instead of that the universe is math and our maths are a subset of the math that -is- you are defacto straw manning me.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CbFjkSMX Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:28:52 No.9572247 Report

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>>9572227
I can only assume you're as retarded as the things you say not the things you pretend to mean afterwards. I gave you plenty of chances to clarify and pointed out how some ways you worded your claims were closer to the truth than others.
Reality is not math or numbers, we made up both like we made up all our models of physical reality. When you say that our models are reality itself you're confusing yourself and everyone. The reason you would ever say such a thing is because of one of the worst parts of human nature that perverts everything, conditioned dogma over Christian reason.

blackmagic

blackmagic ID:VKQeC+kx Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:31:41 No.9572257 Report

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>>9572200
who you trying to impress with that weenie beenie
are you in yet, boybot???
How's Eric the Red??? I hear you lot get REALLY RAGEY when you don't get what you want
Perhaps you need some meds, boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWV_7JBzXhI
Someone just blew you a kiss though
You see, i know what you REALLY look like
they "live" all around me
and i also know there's millions you haven't "got" yet
we're too strong for you, because we're real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLTGs4fqxBk
that ray gun of yours is getting dodgier too
eeeeeeeewwwwww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1xAkzHgXc

blackmagic

blackmagic ID:VKQeC+kx Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:41:18 No.9572290 Report

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if at first you don't succeed
DIE DIE AGAIN

blackmagic

blackmagic ID:VKQeC+kx Sun 16 Feb 2020 22:43:21 No.9572299 Report

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Did you also know in the game Witcher 3
there's these purple flowers
called Hellebore petals
Yes, you're one Hell of a bore all right

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