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Theoretically speaking, if I was an entrepreneuring billionaire and I wanted to bring back one of the great American passenger trains (Super Chief, California Zephyr, Panama Limited, Empire Builder, City of Los Angeles/San Francisco, 20th Century Limited, Broadway Limited, Powhatan Arrow, Coast Daylight, etc.) to run on a regular basis (let's put it at at least two times a month for a start), which option would be more feasible from an economic/technical/legal perspective? 1. Acquire all of the surviving rolling stock (sleepers, dining cars, dome/observation cars, baggage cars, etc.) from the original consist from private owners, heritage railways, and museums, as well as matching surviving locomotives (can be from ones different railroads since thousands of functionally and aesthetically identical EMD F and E units were sold to all Class I railroads). Renovate them as necessary to make them FRA-compliant, obtain waivers wherever possible. Put them into service as a part-luxury train, part-mobile museum. 2. Commission the construction of a replica consist. Building entirely new streamlined cars from scratch, designed to match the internal and external appearance of its original as much as possible, with changes only being made when it's literally required to make the car FRA-compliant/modern user friendly (updated wiring, HEP, power outlets at seats, WiFi support, replacing wooden paneling with MDF paneling etc.). Motive power consists of custom-built Siemens Chargers designed to resemble the original E and F units (streamlining, bulldog noses, matching paint schemes, etc.) as much as legally possible. 1/2
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>>2011902 Honestly op 2 is basically what's happening with the PRR T1 Trust
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>>2015967 I don't think they're planning on resurrecting the Broadway Limited for the T1 project (as much as they should, plenty of retards richer than me would definitely shelf out 10k over an overnighter excursion on a T-1).
One of the big issues I've had with the T1 as a whole is what the fuck that are they actually gonna do with the locomotive once it's actually completed. It's a little too big for use on most heritage railways. Definitely can't be pushed to its full potential unless it's running on mainlines that are crowded with Amtrak, Metra, MTA, and CSX trains.
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>>2013977 Disagree; as a Brit kiddo E and F's were wrapped up in my "idea" of the US and Canada, were beautiful to me then and still are.
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>>2016991 I thought they were going to run it on the high speed test track in AZ to set a new steam speed record.
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>>2017102 I meant once it enters revenue/excursion service, not a one-time test for bragging rights. Obviously fans of the T1 are gonna want to ride it when it going 100 mph but there's very few places where you can realistically do that, especially with a locomotive of that size. Hell, the Acela Express only goes at its full speed on a single stretch of track from New York to Philadelphia.
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>>2017102 I meant once it enters revenue/excursion service, not a one-time test for bragging rights. Obviously fans of the T1 are gonna want to ride it when it's going the full 100 mph but there's very few places where you can realistically do that, especially with a locomotive of that size, and most certainly not on heritage railroads. Hell, the Acela Express only goes at its full speed on a single stretch of track from New York to Philadelphia.
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>>2017437 It would be limited to class 1 and 2 lines that allow for excursion services.
It does happen norfolk and western 611 is not that much smaller and does just that, so did atsf 3751. But those trips are not always for the average person tickets are mostly high dollar fundraisers.
But a railroad should have really come forward by now as a sponsor or partner.
While they have no excursion service yet rail heritage of midwest has a dd40x running doing yard trip on occasion and are working on rebuilding a 4-6-6-4 and 2-10-2 all are comparable size and weight.
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>>2013399 >Siemens Chargers designed to resemble the original E and F units Bro just buy a real one a 645 or 567 will outlast a cummins shitblock several times over.
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>>2016991 UP loves hosting steam excursions
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>>2021134 Their own steam engines, not ones from other railroads
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>>2011902 Assuming the funding's there, Option 2. Getting the FRA to stop being faggots and approve a bulldog nose engine design might be a bit of a hassle though.
I think the only train you realistically resurrect in this way and have it be economically viable would be the Super Chief simply because of how famous it is. One might argue that it's THE face of pre-Amtrak American passenger rail.
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>>2017437 They could probably run somewhere flat like Utah
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>>2029926 >these will never run again Anonymous
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>>2032382 At least we have a few that have been carefully preserved.
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Don't care if it isn't American
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The issue with bringing back classic train lines is that we ripped up most of the dense cities and small town centers across the country where everything worth doing was within a short walk, tram ride, or taxi from the main intercity train station.
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>>2017437 I think they've said in past they want to take her out to the test track in Pueblo Colorado and make every britbong seethe by breaking the steam land speed record
nothing can beat the NYC Bomber command though
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>>2011902 The PRR T1 would be cool, but a replica of pic related is the engine I would rather be made.
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>>2026809 >>2029926 Among train enthusiasts and maybe older people in the NE, but the Super Chief was THE default toy store train set for decades and has national recognition because of it, especially because of the very colorful, memorable livery. It's also the best candidate for an excursion train since that colorful livery will appeal to non-enthusiasts who just want a nice trip, diesel is by far the easiest and most economical option to run, and you've got the iconic Fred Harvey catering and everything that went along with it (the custom tableware etc.) to pattern the service after.
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>>2034994 >Don't care if it isn't American Anonymous
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Just waiting for OP to bump his thread that no one is interested in
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>>2011902 I want the S2 back :(
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And there it is
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>>2036304 Mental are soulless yank trains are now, sad.
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>>2017437 Just take it down to Florida and run it on Brightline tracks
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>>2017437 The fact that US passenger rail runs SLOWER than it did under steam power is obscene.
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>>2042292 ikr
It takes 12 hours to get from Oakland to Los Angeles by the Coast Starlight. The Coast Daylight was able to go from San Francisco to Los Angeles (an almost identical distance) in 10, sometimes as little as 8-9 hours.
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>>2015181 what's wrong with the new sound?
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>>2047116 It's unreliable and gay. Nothing beats the sound of a 567, 645 or 710 EMD thumping away. The old un-muffled GE FDL's also sounded pretty good.
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I just wanted to post another masterpiece from yesteryear.
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There just aren’t enough wealthy boomer train autistes to make this feasible. There’s these luxury cruise trains in the Canadian and Colorado Rockies but their primary clientele isn’t foamers. You can take short rides on vintage equipment at rail museums, or just get drunk or high enough on Amtrak to imagine yourself in the golden age of rail travel.
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>>2011902 >>2011903 Option 2 if you want longevity
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>>2048155 Thank God this baby got preserved
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>>2053389 This thread's been up for over a year and most of the replies are just you bumping your thread. Not much interest in it. Let it go
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>>2053390 nta but I've ghost bumped it a couple of times
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It's been over a year and most of the replies have been you bumping your own thread
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>>2048178 > or just get drunk or high enough on Amtrak to imagine yourself in the golden age of rail travel If you take the Piedmont service between CLT and RGH, you can ride for 3 hours in 50's era coaches. Put on a suit and tie to complete the feel and it's like stepping back in time with the very dated interiors and comfy large seats with ridiculous leg room.
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>>2053389 I know you jest :(
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>>2011902 Why didn't you just post an update itt?
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Every time you bump your other thread I'll help you out by bumping this one too
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