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Anonymous Thu 05 Dec 2024 20:38:31 No.2027142 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2027275 >>2027334 >>2027371 >>2028843 >>2029068 >>2029872

American high-speed rail map from transportation researcher Alon Levy.

Which line would you build first?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 01:53:19 No.2027224 Report

Quoted By: >>2027225

>>2027223
>They have to allow Amtrak to run. That's the end of it.
Incorrect. See: >>2027221

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 02:02:08 No.2027225 Report

Quoted By: >>2027226

>>2027224
You gave your narrative and I showed you how it worked out. They stalled for a year, gave up, and Amtrak is building the station and getting to run the trains.

You're a real dumb cock sucker, you know that? You come here acting like you know it all, but you really don't have a clue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 02:04:36 No.2027226 Report

Quoted By: >>2027227

>>2027225
>Sample size = 1
I accept your concession.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 02:13:09 No.2027227 Report

Quoted By: >>2027229

>>2027226
>Your sources: My imagination
Kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 02:19:56 No.2027229 Report

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>>2027227
Your concession has already been accepted. There is no need to continue losing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 02:45:22 No.2027231 Report

Quoted By: >>2027233

Turning Los Angeles into a high-speed rail hub would be such an awesome transformation to watch. LA would go from the most car-dependent big city to the most rail-friendly city.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 02:49:49 No.2027233 Report

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>>2027231
>LA would go from the most car-dependent big city to the most rail-friendly city.
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 16:34:12 No.2027275 Report

Quoted By: >>2027277 >>2029060

>>2027142
Atlanta is weird. It has fuckall connectivity to the rest of the Amtrak system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 16:58:14 No.2027277 Report

Quoted By: >>2027289

>>2027275
Connecting it to Florida is tough but given the population on either side it’s an essential connection.
You can easily connect Atlanta to Chattanooga (and then Nashville), and Greenberg and Charlotte. Given its huge size and growth it needs some rail connections to nearby cities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2024 18:32:07 No.2027289 Report

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>>2027277
>Greenberg
Foreigner found

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Dec 2024 12:34:06 No.2027334 Report

Quoted By: >>2027338

>>2027142
Maybe Amtrak should serve major cities outside of the East and West Coasts more than twice a week before even thinking about a nationwide HSR

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Dec 2024 13:49:37 No.2027338 Report

Quoted By: >>2027367

>>2027334
>more than twice a week before even thinking about a nationwide HSR
I think the implication is that without high speed rail, the cross country trains are just expensive heritage train rides. You can't seriously use them to go from Washington to Chicago because it takes 18 hours.
That's an average speed of less than 75 MPH. If the train consistently did 125 MPH, the trip would take about 6.5 hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Dec 2024 21:45:26 No.2027367 Report

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>>2027338
A flight is still around four hours, though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 00:07:04 No.2027371 Report

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>>2027142
>Levy
This line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Dec 2024 01:35:46 No.2028843 Report

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>>2027142
none of these because they dont go to my city

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Dec 2024 16:04:41 No.2029060 Report

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>>2027275
Nashville is even weirder. It has no passenger rail despite being close to several major cities and smaller cities. Tennessee is pretty densely-populated and Nashville is growing big-time so they need to build some kind of rail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Dec 2024 16:33:58 No.2029068 Report

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>>2027142
The PNW line because I live in Seattle and want to swiftly coomute to superior Vancouver whores.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Dec 2024 16:58:50 No.2029076 Report

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The Montreal/Ottowa/Toronto/Detroit line actually looks the most financially feasible. Add a connection to Boston or NYC and everyone's riding it for vacation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2024 03:36:27 No.2029411 Report

Quoted By: >>2029525

>>2027181
He lives in NYC because he's a transportation researcher at NYU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2024 23:34:46 No.2029523 Report

Quoted By: >>2029534 >>2029603

>Get off high speed train
>Find myself in car-centric sprawl
>Rent car, inevitably
Transit needs to start with effective municipal UBahn and SBahn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2024 23:55:35 No.2029525 Report

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>>2029411
>he's a transportation researcher at NYU.
Just say "communist."

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2025 03:23:37 No.2029533 Report

Quoted By: >>2029585

why not just have buses that are 4 vehicles long and go 120 mph in designated high speed lanes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2025 03:24:38 No.2029534 Report

Quoted By: >>2029536

>>2029523
also
>costs more than just driving

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2025 06:20:49 No.2029536 Report

Quoted By: >>2029577

>>2029534
Good point, we need to make driving more expensive to justify its true cost to the environment

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2025 22:07:49 No.2029577 Report

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>>2029536
>/n/egroes not beating the petty tyrant allegations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2025 22:20:01 No.2029581 Report

Quoted By: >>2029587

Are we considering negative impact on freight ops?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2025 22:54:02 No.2029585 Report

Quoted By: >>2029665

>>2029533
Why not have buses that are 16 vehicles long?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2025 22:55:03 No.2029587 Report

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>>2029581
What negative impact? Freight already has their own lines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2025 02:16:47 No.2029603 Report

Quoted By: >>2029657 >>2029735

>>2029523
>get off high-speed train
>find myself downtown which is the opposite of car-centric sprawl
>walk, rideshare, and/or take transit to nearby destinations
Perfect.

Also, even if the occasional rider rented a car that's entirely irrelevant. By your "logic," nobody should take planes anywhere because they rent cars when they get out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2025 14:13:35 No.2029656 Report

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Las Vegas HSR station, but isn't it far from the city center?
The advantage of a railroad is that stations can be built underground, allowing passengers to board and disembark from the center of the city.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2025 14:28:41 No.2029657 Report

Quoted By: >>2029663 >>2029670 >>2029676

>>2029603
The logic is that if you have to rent a car anyways, flying is the superior travel. The only thing rail improves is cost and at the tradeoff of speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2025 16:53:54 No.2029663 Report

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>>2029657
Wrong, rail is a far more green tech than air

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2025 17:34:28 No.2029665 Report

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>>2029585
you'll never have enough people to fill them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2025 18:31:15 No.2029670 Report

Quoted By: >>2029676

>>2029657
But for regional trips, HSR gets you there faster and more comfortably.

HSR is vastly superior to air for trips under 500 miles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2025 20:02:03 No.2029676 Report

Quoted By: >>2029694

>>2029657
>The only thing rail improves is cost
Often rail is more expensive than flying

>>2029670
>HSR is vastly superior to air for trips under 500 miles
If that was true France wouldn't need to make short domestic flights illegal, people would overwhelmingly choose the train. But they did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 00:44:29 No.2029694 Report

Quoted By: >>2029698 >>2029701

>>2029676
Actually in France people do overwhelmingly choose to travel by train for short domestic trips.

You just shot yourself in the foot, lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 01:15:57 No.2029698 Report

Quoted By: >>2029702

>>2029694
I've flown the Paris-Toulouse route. Would have rather taken the train.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 01:28:09 No.2029701 Report

Quoted By: >>2029734

>>2029694
>Actually in France people do overwhelmingly choose to travel by train for short domestic trips.
If that was true, the government wouldn't need to make short flights illegal there

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 01:39:01 No.2029702 Report

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>>2029698
Why didn't you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 06:16:24 No.2029712 Report

Quoted By: >>2029713

> Often rail is more expensive than flying
Not in the weekends. Airlines are using their highly profitable weekend prices to subsidize the weekdays. Flying simply does not scale well.

> France wouldn't need to make short domestic flights illegal
They banned it precisely because it was unpopular. The bill wouldn't pass if it is not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 06:20:22 No.2029713 Report

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>>2029712
>Airlines are using their highly profitable weekend prices to subsidize the weekdays.
Demand pricing isn't new and French trains do it as well

>They banned it precisely because it was unpopular.
If it was unpopular it wouldn't have existed.

Listen to yourself you chickenshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 06:45:24 No.2029715 Report

Quoted By: >>2029717

> Demand pricing isn't new and French trains do it as well
The point being trains are cheaper than flights when demand is high.

> If it was unpopular it wouldn't have existed.
By you own braindead logic, you wouldn't have existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 06:59:50 No.2029717 Report

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>>2029715
>The point being trains are cheaper than flights when demand is high.
No source

>By you own braindead logic, you wouldn't have existed.
No argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 16:51:53 No.2029734 Report

Quoted By: >>2029759

>>2029701
That has nothing to do with why the government made short flights illegal but at this point it's obvious you're trolling.

In France, people overwhelmingly choose rail for short domestic trips.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 16:53:24 No.2029735 Report

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>>2029603
This post perfectly btfos the anti-train troll "logic" ITT, which is why they ignore it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 16:54:35 No.2029736 Report

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Also, if you build HSR it encourages tons of transit-oriented development around the stations so there's even more to walk to (though American downtowns have densified considerably in the last two decades on their own).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2025 20:16:21 No.2029759 Report

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>>2029734
>In France, people overwhelmingly choose rail for short domestic trips.
Of course, since that the government made short air trips illegal

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jan 2025 01:20:52 No.2029786 Report

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A big difference from Europe and Asia is that you can drive on large-capacity highways with three lanes for almost nothing. Gas is also incredibly cheap.
Recently, "semi-autonomous driving" such as GM's Super Cruise has started to spread rapidly.
They are probably the biggest enemy of bullet trains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 05 Jan 2025 03:22:13 No.2029872 Report

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>>2027142
Seems unambitious.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 05 Jan 2025 14:34:22 No.2029900 Report

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I'd go with building the Texas Triangle route, that's such a perfect combination of density and growth.

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