>>1459586Like it’s hard to ride upright on a long bike and it’s annoying when you want to sit up, but even though I feel like I’m doing push-ups all day on my bike the long geometry feels really nice from a performance standpoint. My hardtail is 64° head angle and 490mm reach and it’s a push-up machine, but I’d like to try an even longer/slacker bike just to see where that limit is and how badly it hurts. Maybe the limit is just fatigue, maybe tron-cycles are okay from a geometry standpoint, I guess that’s what the grim donut is made to prove, but from what little I’ve heard about it so far, that thing rides like a tandem bike and is trash at everything it does