>>1491640not him
>>1491637, but pic related is my foot position, with or without retention. my toes aren't that far over the edge of the pedal. i do clip my fenders from time to time on my 700c bike, but it's nbd. fwiw i think ball-over-spindle as the rule is ass-over-head retarded - i dealt with pain, muscle weakness, and temporary nerve inflammation from clinging to the "traditional" fitment for some years.
