>>2001925I’m talking specifically about gravel bikes that fit 2.0” tires and are maybe capable of short-travel suspension fork, which is actually a lot of gravel bikes these days. The big wheels kill some aspects of the ride sure, but the stronger frames and more reliable parts with handlebars just as wide as 90’s mtb bars can really do a lot these days. I guess I have an unfair comparison on my hands since I really like my mtb-ized gravel bike with suspension fork and only ride my 90’s mtb as rigid (and rigid sucks off-road imo, whether mtb or gravel). I do love my 90’s rigid mtb and nothing can replace its ride qualities don’t get me wrong, but I love my gravel bike with suspension more, and I do think its better at just about any use case