>>1043535I have nothing against your Helsinkiän trams. I was only talking about the vehicles of my city. We still have comfy old M8Cs from the 1980s, which look similar to your Valmets. They are mostly used on line 3 for some reason, and at night and on the weekend. I love riding these, too, because they are usually fairly empty when I do, and they have a comfy fake wood interior. One of them got converted into a moving museum for last year's 25th anniversary of the light rail.