>>1020912https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_planned_cities#United_Statesim from socal. spent some time in irvine. its got nice bike infrastructure and is pretty well planned. if you like monoclass dull suburbs. apparently if you buy a home there, you buy the sticks and stuff, but you justl lease the land its on from the irvine company which owns most of the land in irivine.
>>1038640>>1029553is the california hate a thing in oregon right now?
and no californians arent chill. esp not the drivers. they are terrible people.
