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the price of metropolitan transportation

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 13:53:44 No.1072416 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1072489 >>1072610 >>1072652 >>1072709 >>1072737 >>1072817 >>1073003 >>1073193

I'm thinking of going to London so I search for the information of the city.
And I'm astonished that the price of public transportation there is fucking high, take that of the tube, which is from $3.1, for Japan where I live has comparatively low prices in transportation(in Tokyo it is from $1.2).
Please tell me about the average price of public transportations in your city to compare each.
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Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:24:34 No.1072419 Report

Quoted By: >>1072423 >>1073054

My city's BRT has a flat fare of 35 cents

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Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:44:43 No.1072423 Report

Quoted By: >>1073054

>>1072419
What city?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:57:51 No.1072424 Report

Quoted By: >>1072784

Mexico City here.

Subway is 0.26 USD.
BRT is 0.32 USD.
Shared bike is 21 USD/year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:58:53 No.1072425 Report

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Santiago, Chile
Flat fare of ~$1, both subway and buses

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 16:37:53 No.1072453 Report

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That's London for you mate, in Nottingham it's £1 if you're a student, which includes all buses and trams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 16:57:35 No.1072459 Report

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2,80 € in Berlin

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 17:12:37 No.1072464 Report

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The price is 1.2e for the bus system in Ljubljana. But it's a stupid system where you can only pay either with a special card or a slovene-only phone pay. Yoi can get the card only at certain locations and it costs 10e, so it completely fucks over tourists.
Oh yea and if you're paying by phone, you have to pay for each crossover (card transaction gives you a 90min free crossover).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 18:34:57 No.1072486 Report

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Hong Kong:
MTR (metro, train/S-Bahn): USD 0.75, 1, 2, 2.5-3.5, USD5-7 cross-border
Tram/streetcar: USD0.3
LRT: USD0.5-0.8
Bus: ~70-90% of MTR

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Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 18:39:32 No.1072489 Report

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>>1072416
Helsinki (municipal fare) for all public transport for ~1 hour is:
>3,20€ from conductor/driver
>2,90€ from ticket machine or mobile app
>2,18€ if using travelcard (reader in pic)

Childern, pensioners(?) and students get 1/2 off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 21:21:52 No.1072525 Report

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Prague
Fares are time based, you can travel so long as your ticket is valid, regardless of number of transfers or trips (the 90min one is reasonably useful for return trips, end to end travel on the metro is 25-40 min depending on the line)

Zones technically exist, but they're more of a outlying towns & villages thing, the centermost "P" zone actually covers the entire metro&tram network + vast majority of inner city bus lines (numbers 1XX), and counts as 2 zones for fare calculation.

Basic - 90min - 1.20€
Short - 30min - 0.90€
24h - 4.15€
72h - 11.65€
monthly, quarterly and 30+90 day coupons also exist.

Ages 0-6 and 70+ (+ some other groups like disabled, veterans, former political prisoners etc etc) have free fare, 6-15 and 65-70 get 50% discount on all but the 3-day one, longer term coupons have their own rules.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 01:25:41 No.1072606 Report

Quoted By: >>1072721

Yeah London is bloody expensive. The only good thing is that fares are capped at around £10. Meaning if you spend that much on journeys throughout the day any after that are free. This applies to all forms of public transport, so you could reach your cap on the tube, then take a train and bus and they are free. Only works for oyster cards though, not the paper tickets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 01:51:57 No.1072610 Report

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>>1072416
Tempe, AZ, USA, Earth. Light Rail's all day local full fare is $4. Reduced is $2 if you're under 18, senior, vet I think. I swear it used to apply to students too, but oh well. This also applies to the local valley metro buses too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 05:22:22 No.1072652 Report

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>>1072416
Twin Cities for bus and light rail it's $1.75 for 2.5 hours of ride time (plus transfers) and $2.25 during rush hours.

Although might get some flak from fellow Minnesotans lurking about but the price for the ticket might be to low imo. Yes public transportation has other means of generating money, it seems to always be under attack due to having a low fair box recovery ratio. Take for instance our 2 LRT lines, both have continued to passed there project ridership numbers each year yet the system as a whole is still operating at a loss. I don't really want to heavily argue whether or not public transportation should pay for itself or be subsidized put the only argument I'll say is the expected ridership of any line should be just enough to break even with its operating cost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 11:11:24 No.1072709 Report

Quoted By: >>1072737 >>1072782

>>1072416
Japan is actually cheap?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 12:27:33 No.1072721 Report

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>>1072606
It also works with any contactless card, not just oyster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 13:12:22 No.1072737 Report

Quoted By: >>1072808

>>1072709
>>1072416
>from $1.2
>from
It isn't that expensive. Plus transport subsidy for locals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 15:14:33 No.1072782 Report

Quoted By: >>1072808

>>1072709
It's cheap, but they charge by distance on top of the $1.20 basic fare (final fare is calculated when you exit the gate -- you have to tap your fare card to get out).

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Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 15:18:17 No.1072784 Report

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>>1072424
Bullshit, ya'll taco niggers don't have infrastructure

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 15:19:36 No.1072785 Report

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>>1072784
Mexico doesn't have retarded legal system like Brazil that allows some rich NIMBY fucks to halt subway construction for 20 years because they don't like the noise or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 16:30:49 No.1072806 Report

Quoted By: >>1072954 >>1073274

I spent a lot in Transportation in Tokyo. It was ridiculous. Maybe I was doing something wrong. Or maybe I was travelling distances too far away, which seems odd. But I for sure paid a lot more than 1.2$ per trip.

Lisbon (where I live):
>1.45€/trip for the metro, wherever you go
>1.30€+/trip for train (depending on the distance)

Paris (where I sometimes work):
>1.90€/trip for the metro, RER (urban train) and bus for all areas. Can buy packs of 10 and get a good discount

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 16:32:02 No.1072808 Report

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>>1072737
>>1072782
I mean, US$1.2 basic fare actually seems high when compare to other Asian cities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 16:48:00 No.1072817 Report

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>>1072416
Chicagoland area here. It depends on which of the 3 transit systems you'll be using as well as if you're either military, senior, or student since those three have different prices. Prices for standard fares.

Pace Suburban Bus
>$1.75 standard/local fare, $0.25 transfer
>$4 Premium/Express route fare
Chicago Transit Authority
>Train $2.25
>Bus $2.00
>Transfer $0.25 for additional 2 rides within 2 hours
Metra
>Distance based fare based on which route

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 17:40:20 No.1072823 Report

Quoted By: >>1072954

Those comparisons are pointless if you don't include the cost of local taxes subsidizing public transport. London has expensive fares but relatively little taxes in subsidies. For Paris it's the other way around. I believe tokyo has both fairly cheap fares and low subsidies. It's even more complicated when you consider indirect subsidies.

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Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 23:17:31 No.1072954 Report

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>>1072823
>London
>fucking high fares with low subsidy for it
What the stupidest city, isn't it?

as >>1072806 says the distance the trip has is the problem.
like Paris and London, the zone system has relatively high fares but in the certain zone the fares are constant, while Japanese railway system adopts the distance fare, so it might be felt expensive when traveling far.
In addition, the base and accumulating fares vary from company to company so it depends on the company you use to feel it reasonable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2017 23:44:08 No.1072966 Report

Quoted By: >>1072996 >>1073007

yeah london is a fucking rip off, I'd suggest walking if you're a tourist.

General tips from a LondonerTM;

WALK DON'T STROLL, not everyone is on holiday and wants a casual stroll. Want to take pictures? Great! London is lovely and pretty, DO NOT STOP YET, instead move towards the outside of the moving crowd,get to the outside of the moving crowd before stopping.

STAND ON THE RIGHT, do this on escalators. tuck in enough to allow people to walk-run past you on the left. This rule is no longer enforced by TFL, but londerers do not give a crap so stand on the right. if you are standing on the left expect heavy tutting.

HAVE YOUR OYSTER READY, there is always a queue so no excuse.

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Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 00:20:56 No.1072974 Report

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Ithaqua

Ithaqua Mon 15 May 2017 01:01:06 No.1072996 Report

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>>1072966
Sounds like New York but we have Metrocard. Slow walking tourists are a pain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 01:12:24 No.1073003 Report

Quoted By: >>1073005

>>1072416
Orlando area
$2.00 for every Lynx bus ride, free transfers within 90 minutes
$2.00 for SunRail commuter train one way*
$3.75 for SunRail round-trip*
*Extra $1 for each county you pass through

There's also discounted fares for children, students, the elderly, the disabled, and possibly veterans (not sure about this one).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 01:13:47 No.1073005 Report

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>>1073003
There's also the I-Drive trolley but I almost never go around that area and not sure what their prices are but pretty sure it's similar to the Lynx buses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 01:14:32 No.1073007 Report

Quoted By: >>1073047

>>1072966
Also:

if you're spanish or from an ex-spanish colony:

Please consider other people before five of you stop in a narrow space and proceed to yell at each other for half an hour. You're blocking the way and can't hear us string to get past.

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Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 02:27:13 No.1073047 Report

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>>1073007
it's not only spanish but chinese and 'DQN' Japanese tourist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 02:51:37 No.1073054 Report

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>>1072419
>>1072423
Jakarta public transit fares :
BRT 35 cents (4$ for the card)
Free for pensioners and mosque keepers
Suburban rail : progressive fare short distance 3 cents
Medium bus 4 cents
Suburban bus between 35 cents to 2$
The brt and commuter rail is highly subsidized

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Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 15:05:41 No.1073170 Report

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Tyne and Wear:
£5.00 for an all zone metro ticket
Busses around £4.00

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 16:47:54 No.1073193 Report

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>>1072416
I know what you mean, even the train from Nippori to Narita is cheaper than where I used to live. Heck, it is almost three times cheaper for double the distance.... plus you get sights like this:
https://youtu.be/AK-oEbUtInk
and who can turn that down?

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Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 22:05:15 No.1073272 Report

Quoted By: >>1073274

While most posts ITT were about single tickets, one should also consider other forms of tickets and how many people actually use single tickets.

My hometown Karlsruhe may not be a metropolitan area, but I have read their ridership statistics.
A single ticket inside the city is EUR 2.40, however barely anybody pays this.
Single tickets only account for 5% of all trips. The large majority, 90% of all trips, are made with monthly or yearly tickets.
A normal yearly ticket for the city area comes down to about 85 cents per trip assuming two daily trips including weekends.
Students, seniors, companies buying in bulk for their employees get discounts and pay even less per trip.

If they would make every user pay every single trip, the price of a single tricket could go down dramatically. But I guess the idea of the current system is to reward frequent users. Also collecting fares for each trip would mean a larger organisational overhead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2017 22:11:35 No.1073274 Report

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>>1073272
Anon from >>1072806 here
I don't pay (1.30+1.45)x2 for commuting every day, I also pay the monthly pass, which is only ~50€. That totals 1.25€/day (assuming I only use it during 20 weekdays, although i can use it whenever.
In Paris, it's 70€. Freaking expensive, but pays off for its convenience.

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