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Anonymous Sat 10 Jun 2017 23:36:09 No.1080527 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1080528 >>1081688 >>1081737 >>1081775 >>1082942 >>1086428 >>1086697

This was PSA (Pacific Southwest Airlines) Flight 182, which crashed about a mile from my house in 1978, killing over 100 people. To this day the newer houses stick out like sore thumbs, since most houses in this neighborhood were built in the 1910s and '20s. Gives me the chills to think about.

Did any major /n/-related disasters happen in your hometown? Were you or anyone else you know/knew involved in a non-car-related transportation accident?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jun 2017 23:39:09 No.1080528 Report

Quoted By: >>1080543

>>1080527
OP here; I didn't actually see it happen since I wasn't alive in '78, but the horror is obviously still well-known here in San Diego.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 01:11:27 No.1080543 Report

Quoted By: >>1080558

>>1080528
It was in North Park area wasn't it ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 02:23:47 No.1080558 Report

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>>1080543
Yep. Intersection of Dwight and Nile Streets, just short of the 805.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:17:54 No.1080600 Report

Quoted By: >>1080612

My mother's bf helped find this Cessna wreckage. I remember a lot of people in my small town heard this thing go down but they didn't find the crash site for 5 or 6 years. https://youtu.be/11nQLLpwDtc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:21:34 No.1080602 Report

Quoted By: >>1080603

I live in Savannah GA and everyone was really excited about the release of the g650. Once of the test flights for it crashed here in 2011 and it knocked the wind out of peoples' sails.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:24:09 No.1080603 Report

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>>1080602
I'm an idiot, it crashed in New Mexico. Still a lot of sad/nervous gulfstream employees I'd see in local bars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:09:26 No.1080612 Report

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>>1080600
There was a similar crash in New Hampshire, mentioned in Bill Bryson's I'm a Stranger Here Myself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_New_Hampshire_Learjet_crash

It took almost three years to find the wreckage, and it was several miles away from where they'd been looking. Eerie how open woodland can just swallow things up like that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 11:40:08 No.1080638 Report

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The Bijlmer crash in 1992. I visited family and on the way home we saw the plane fly over with lots of smoke. I was really young at that time so I can't remember much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 02:45:54 No.1081659 Report

Quoted By: >>1081662 >>1083091

I was in class, in my high school, three blocks from ground zero on 9/11. Not the best day of my life, in retrospect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 02:49:13 No.1081662 Report

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>>1081659
Fuck. Were you caught up in that big cloud of dust?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 03:05:40 No.1081665 Report

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OP here. This was about 100 miles from where I actually live, but it was probably the first major news event that I actually remember, mainly because I'm a lifelong railfan. Happened when I was just shy of 7. (The Loma Prieta earthquake a few months later was probably the next even I remember.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW2KSTkHuA8

I've been to the site about 13 years ago. As of then there were just a bunch of vacant lots there; no memorials.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 03:09:03 No.1081666 Report

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>>1081662
Not quite.
They didn't evacuate us until the second tower came down. We left via the north side exits, and as I turned to look back I saw the dust cloud just coming over the building.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 04:13:47 No.1081688 Report

Quoted By: >>1081708 >>1081716 >>1081743

>>1080527
>Were you or anyone else you know/knew involved in a non-car-related transportation accident?
I hit a guy with my train and killed him two and a half years ago. Felt pretty bad for a day or two, but I got over it. :\

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 05:06:48 No.1081708 Report

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>>1081688
Huh. So we get actual engineers and other rail workers here? Cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 05:29:54 No.1081716 Report

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>>1081688
>but I got over it.

Very glad to hear that you got over it.
Stuff just happens sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 07:06:40 No.1081737 Report

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>>1080527
>Did any major /n/-related disasters happen in your hometown?
A few AFAIK.
The closest one (geographically and in date) was "Kościuszko", just a few kilometres from me home and a few weeks before I was born.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOT_Flight_5055
Others would be:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOT_Flight_7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_LOT_Vickers_Viscount_Warsaw_crash
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursus_rail_crash
Cheers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 08:12:03 No.1081743 Report

Quoted By: >>1081780

>>1081688
Lots of railroading in my family with the CPR. Grandfather recounted of an incident in the early 1950s where they ran over a guy passed out drunk on the tracks. Dumped the air but they couldn't stop in time. The senior crew pussied out and figured that since he was a vet (Merchant Seaman) which they assumed meant he'd seen bodies before, they refused to leave the cab and sent him to go check on the guy. What he saw wasn't pretty.

The worst part he said was attending the inquest a few days later and seeing the widow and her 2 young boys. He still got emotional about it 55 yrs later.

He also mentioned being in the locomotive of a train several years later and watching a car with four teenagers trying to beat the train. They didn't, 3 of 4 died.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 08:20:14 No.1081744 Report

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What up san diegobros

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 08:34:02 No.1081746 Report

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Nothing exciting has happened in my vicinity (unless you count some unloaded cargo exploding in the middle ages), but I went up the replacement for this on two separate holidays without realising what it had replaced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 09:07:23 No.1081747 Report

Quoted By: >>1081786 >>1082955

Like many that other guy ITT I saw the 9/11 attacks (was indoors for the impact but I watched the collapse). I was in midtown though so no dust cloud for me. I'm pretty unhappy that they turned it into a ghoulish tourist attraction for dumb redneck flyovers to come gawk at and feel "patriotic". They should have rebuilt over the site.

Other than that nothing of significance. I got to see the plane that landed in the hudson lashed to a dock, but that isn't really a disaster since no one died.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 10:08:02 No.1081755 Report

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The Granville railway disaster occurred near where I live. 84 people were crushed to death when a concrete overpass collapsed onto a train after it derailed and crashed into its support beams. It is the worst railway disaster in Australian history. I wasn't alive at the time, but the train I catch to work every day passes under the new bridge on the same length of track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFGKs62Wz5Y

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 12:22:44 No.1081771 Report

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Mount Oiz plane crash, happened about an hour and half away from where I live. Basically a 727 got lost in the thick fog, pilots didn't notice they were losing altitude and they ended up slamming into a mountain. No survivors, infact the only body that remained intact was a corpse in a coffin they were carrying in the cargo compartment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberia_Airlines_Flight_610

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 12:34:44 No.1081775 Report

Quoted By: >>1081876

>>1080527
I lived in Halifax Nova Scotia when Swiss Air flight 111 crashed in the Atlantic Ocean killing all 229 passengers and crew in 1998.

My family and I were actually camping in Cape Breton for the week. I still remember the sound of search helicopters circling around the coast.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111

It's believed a fire in the cabin forced the plane to land but the plane was carrying too much fuel to land safely so the plane flew over the ocean to dump fuel where it crashed.

New protocol is to get the plane on the ground; the issue is the weight of fuel would damage the wings if the plane lands but thats what insurance is for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 13:03:08 No.1081780 Report

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>>1081743
The guy we hit was an older guy that was hard of hearing, but if it was family or kids... that would be some gut wrenching shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 13:25:16 No.1081786 Report

Quoted By: >>1082955

>>1081747
I think some kind of memorial was definitely necessary, but I wouldn't have minded replica twin towers going up at the site. I like the twin reflecting pools though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jun 2017 19:43:21 No.1081876 Report

Quoted By: >>1081968

>>1081775
OP here. Yeah, it's sad how safety advances are often only made after a major disaster. PSA 182 crashed after it collided with a private plane being flown by a student pilot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_Flight_182

The crash (as well as an almost identical one on approach to LA in 1986) led to the implementation of more advanced radar control and eventually cockpit-based collision alert systems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jun 2017 01:19:15 No.1081968 Report

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>>1081876
Well it was pretty dumb in the Swiss air case to fly a plane with a cabin fire over the ocean. Fuck some rivets and wings

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jun 2017 04:18:47 No.1082013 Report

Quoted By: >>1082103

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Narragansett

This steamship and another called the SS Stonington collided just off the coast from where one of my aunts now lives, although back in 1880. Check out the infamous survivor.

Analizer

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Analizer Fri 16 Jun 2017 04:47:16 No.1082026 Report

Quoted By: >>1082037 >>1082054

I live in the south of Michigan and this happened far away in the north of the state. I have no personal relation to the story, but it's interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jun 2017 05:41:48 No.1082037 Report

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>>1082026
You've heard the song, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jun 2017 07:12:39 No.1082054 Report

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>>1082026
I live on the west coast of Canada and remember as a kid watching the news about that. Used to listen to Gordon Lightfoot's song on an old AM radio at night in bed. Hauntingly beautiful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jun 2017 09:27:41 No.1082077 Report

Quoted By: >>1082904

I was on base during the Elmendorf C-17 crash. I was eating dinner at the time, but my coworkers were on the ramp closest to where it went down. They felt the heat from the fireball and said the engine noise was ear shattering loud as it tried to recover. I had actually seen this same C-17 crew practicing (for the airshow) the day before, I thought they were fucking madmen. It rolled and pitched all around like a stunt plane, not a massive cargo aircraft.

I was also on base when the F-22 went down due to hypoxia. Although it crashed miles from the runway. I had loaded munitions on that jet only hours prior, and my coworker was the one to help launch it. It messed him up because he was the last one to see the pilot and shake his hand/salute him. I also remember about two months after the crash, seeing scheduled maintenance come due for the missile launchers that were installed on that jet. I wasn't sure what to do for items that that don't exist anymore, had to call my supervisor over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jun 2017 10:36:21 No.1082082 Report

Quoted By: >>1082083

Within the county at least:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_%28ship%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Airlines_Flight_751
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Saltsj%C3%B6banan_train_crash

Elsewhere that I can bother to remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get%C3%A5_railroad_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lerum#Lerum_Train_Crash
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alm%C3%B6_Bridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Estonia

Don't have any direct relation to any of these though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jun 2017 10:38:37 No.1082083 Report

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>>1082082
Ah, actually thinking of it, I rode both Viking Sally and Silja Star.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jun 2017 14:03:13 No.1082103 Report

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>>1082013
K we're going back in time, I lived in Halifax 70 years after this happened

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion

The Halifax Explosion was a maritime disaster in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, on the morning of 6 December 1917. SS Mont-Blanc, a French cargo ship laden with high explosives, collided with the Norwegian vessel SS Imo in the Narrows, a strait connecting the upper Halifax Harbour to Bedford Basin. A fire on board the French ship ignited her cargo, causing a large explosion that devastated the Richmond district of Halifax. Approximately 2,000 people were killed by blast, debris, fires and collapsed buildings, and an estimated 9,000 others were injured.[1] The blast was the largest man-made explosion prior to the development of nuclear weapons,[2] releasing the equivalent energy of roughly 2.9 kilotons of TNT

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jun 2017 23:50:11 No.1082246 Report

Quoted By: >>1082253 >>1082265

How about a near miss?

My family and I were going to Paris from the US west coast, and changing planes in Chicago-O'Hare. There was a major thunderstorm as we were landing, and then sure enough, just before we touched down, we pulled up and started heading up again, and the captain said the weather was too risky, so we'd have to try for Rockford, which is something like 70 miles away. That would probably mean we'd miss our flight to Paris, but at least we'd get there.

Then a few minutes later the captain said we had a break in the weather and decided to head back to O'Hare. My dad was listening to the radio channel where you can hear the pilots talking (this was on United; dunno if other airlines do/did this), and they were saying they were down to the last of their fuel. If they couldn't make O'Hare that time, that would be it. Scariest experience I've ever had on a flight.

Fortunately, as you can tell by the existence of this post, we did make it, and just barely made our flight on to Paris. On the way back I think some United worker said we could get a voucher for a connection at Washington-Dulles, and I was so rattled by the O'Hare experience that I almost wanted us to go via Dulles (even though DC also gets major summer thunderstorms and possibly weather scares like that).

Nishiki !maNMMMM/Jg

Nishiki !maNMMMM/Jg Sat 17 Jun 2017 00:26:59 No.1082253 Report

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>>1082246

yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jun 2017 01:17:04 No.1082265 Report

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>>1082246
>My dad was listening to the radio channel where you can hear the pilots talking (this was on United; dunno if other airlines do/did this), and they were saying they were down to the last of their fuel. If they couldn't make O'Hare that time, that would be it.
Not likely, probably meant they were almost down to their reserve fuel, at which point you divert without question

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jun 2017 22:03:34 No.1082491 Report

Quoted By: >>1082961

No, although flights routinely turn low and throttle back over my house during final approach, and I do sometimes shiver thinking about what would happen if one of those planes dropped out of the sky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 00:59:52 No.1082904 Report

Quoted By: >>1082947

>>1082077
Similar story:

>199...4?
>Lived on Fairchild AFB
>15yo
>friends dad is B-52 mechanic
>gets us 3-day gig helping setup air show food tents, tables, BBQs and such
>first day out front of hangar facing runway
>scrubban dirty tent canvas on tarmac
>B-52 pilot doing his yearly air show practice run
>friends dad, retiring the next day, is navigating
>crazy Vietnam pilot, doing hard turns (I dunno tech name)
>maybe 1000ft above earth
>does one hard turn in front of ATC tower, i assume he's showing off for them
>turned too hard, too low, lost lift
>watched from about ¼ mile away, my POV is looking at the top of the plane now
>left wing clips power lines followed by nose and wing, like watching a soda can disappear into the ground
>ball of blackness and fire
>hear the explosion
>feel the heat and concussion
>legs go weak, fall to knees

after filling out my witness statement I went looking for my friend who I know just lost her dad.

It was pretty traumatizing even tho nothing happened to me. Nightmares for days, then more over the months, of planes falling out of the sky, but never being destroyed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 02:43:12 No.1082940 Report

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The 35W bridge collapse over the Mississippi River in Minneapolis.

8 lane freeway bridge that was under construction collapsed during rush hour full of cars. Only 13 people died though.

It ended up being gusset plates that were too small and the amount of weight on the bridge from construction equipment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 02:57:09 No.1082942 Report

Quoted By: >>1083028

>>1080527
I've lived in the Washington DC area for many years. One of my father's friends was on the plane that hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

There was also the Air Florida plane that hit a major bridge in 1982, but that's not as well remembered.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 03:15:14 No.1082944 Report

Quoted By: >>1082948

I was living in Virginia Beach when an F-18 slammed into an apartment complex. I was living too far away to see or hear the crash, but I distinctly remember going to /k/ and seeing a 100-post long discussion about it before any news agency had posted a story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 03:43:49 No.1082947 Report

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>>1082904
OP here. Forgot to mention I keep having a recurring nightmare of watching a plane crash, even though I've fortunately never seen that happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 03:53:06 No.1082948 Report

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>>1082944
OP here again. There's a major Marine Corps air base called Miramar just outside of San Diego, and I used to have to drive past it on my daily commuter. One day my mom said she'd heard there'd been a plane crash in a neighborhood right by my normal route, so there'd probably be a lot of traffic. Sure enough, a fighter jet had crashed into a suburban neighborhood (forget what kind), destroying a house and killing a guy's family. The pilot managed to eject, though.

I didn't see anything because I think the crash site was up on a hill, but I'm pretty sure there was traffic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 04:49:00 No.1082955 Report

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>>1081747
>>1081786
I actually like the memorial, but fuck the museum. The swarms of Chinese tourists are 100% worse than the rednecks, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 05:21:35 No.1082961 Report

Quoted By: >>1082973 >>1082998

>>1082491
>what would happen if one of those planes dropped out of the sky
i get what you're saying, but you realize planes don't "drop out of the sky" right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 07:23:51 No.1082973 Report

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>>1082961
okay, "falling with style"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 11:09:54 No.1082998 Report

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>>1082961
It's a simple idiom, don't over-think it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 13:33:51 No.1083028 Report

Quoted By: >>1083070

>>1082942
Oh yeah, Flight 90... the B737 with the icing issue. I remember reading about that in Readers Digest ('Drama in Real Life' was a fave) and the made for TV movie "Disaster on the Potomac." When divers entered the submerged fuselage they found most everyone still strapped in their seats, arms floating straight up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 17:14:24 No.1083070 Report

Quoted By: >>1087398

>>1083028
At least the bodies were intact there, unlike in OP's disaster. Rescue workers there got hit by PTSD as hard as Vietnam vets. (Generally true for accidents where the plane slams into the ground.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2017 18:26:54 No.1083091 Report

Quoted By: >>1083211 >>1084456

>>1081659
How loud was the collapse from three blocks away? It's really hard to tell on any of the recordings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 02:05:57 No.1083211 Report

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>>1083091
You could hear the controlled demolition

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jun 2017 03:50:46 No.1083590 Report

Quoted By: >>1083593

I recall on tv news. A woman begged a guy to buy his seat. He gave in to her insensetsnce. They neve knew what her name was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jun 2017 03:53:09 No.1083593 Report

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>>1083590
Was this 9/11 or something else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 01:22:19 No.1084426 Report

Quoted By: >>1086834

I was on a train that killed someone once. Was in the dining car having a really intense talk with a friend not paying much attention to the world when we kind of came back to reality and realized we hadn't moved in nearly an hour. There were cop cars outside but no lights on so we figured it was just a mechanical fault or something, went back to our seats and eventually a conductor told us that they were "clearing some debris from the tracks". We were never officially told what actually happened, but everyone knew once the hearse pulled up outside lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 03:08:33 No.1084456 Report

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>>1083091
I don't remember the sound much, but I was in my homeroom when at least one of the towers came down which at the time was a tech room in the basement so we wouldn't have heard much of anything. What I remember more than anything else was the shaking, it felt like a little earthquake.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2017 10:48:08 No.1086428 Report

Quoted By: >>1086709

>>1080527
Delta 191 crashed about 10 miles from my house I was 10 and thought this was awesome.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2017 02:32:29 No.1086697 Report

Quoted By: >>1086758 >>1087398

>>1080527
wow never thought this would come up here..

>@ hoover high school
>break between periods
>friend says look at that..
>see smoking plane going down
>me and friends ditch school to check it out
>ride bikes towards smoke
>looked like a bomb had gone off
>no police around
>no fire dept around
>go to friends house
>miraculously the plane missed his home
>shitsonfireyo.jpeg
>can hear fire trucks coming
>we all go to the patio to look
>half a human torso laying on patio
>a torn off arm is in the bushes
>we all scream at the same time

I'll never forget that day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2017 03:31:11 No.1086709 Report

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>>1086428
>It was awesome that 120 people died despite the best efforts of the captain to avoid the weather and save his passengers.
:|

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2017 08:02:53 No.1086758 Report

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>>1086697
Holy shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2017 13:36:18 No.1086834 Report

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>>1084426
They don't have hearse after deadly accidents, they carry the bodies in regular ambulances, since they arrived in the hope of saving wounded.
It's more likely the hearse was unrelated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jul 2017 02:39:00 No.1087398 Report

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>>1086697
OP here. Yeah, that's what happens in 'slam-into-the-ground' accidents. Eet's not a preety peecture. I said in >>1083070, rescue workers got hit with PTSD as hard as 'Nam vets.

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