>>1167885I wouldn't consider the Santa Cruz Chameleon or Salsa Pony Rustler to be an "adventure bike"
You won't see them on race bikes any time soon, but they're a hell of a lot of fun.
>>1167906>I don´t see a benefit in handlebars significantly wider than your shoulders.Have you been on a mountain bike made in the last ~5 years? Because they're amazing, and the wide bars are a huge part of it. Even my pavement-ish bike has bars that are ~48cm wide at the hoods and ~62cm wide at the tips of the drops, and they're amazing. Never going back to scrunched-up sunken chest roadie riding ever again.
>>1168039I kinda draw the line at 750mm or so anywhere that's forested. I rode some 800mm bars out in Utah though, and they felt pretty amazing.
>>1167926>Subjective, also they lack modulation range, they lock up too fastYou're just too used to white-knuckling rim calipers in the rain. Seriously - if they did not have good modulation, MTBers would not use them. Being able to modulate more finely and make better use of the limited traction offroad is the whole *point*, for fuck's sake. Lower hand effort = more pressure sensitivity in your fingers = better modulation.
I think they're overkill for road bikes (I'm still running canti brakes on my mostly-pavement bike), but I'm not some sort of delusional luddite who denies that hydro disk performance is objectively superior on every possible metric.
Maintenance, eh, you can argue about that if you want. Yeah, having to buy new tools sucks. But as far as I'm concerned, the Shimano stuff is bulletproof set-and-forget. I fiddle with them less than my cable brakes, and brake bleeds are possibly less frequent than cable-and-housing replacement on my rim brake bikes. I bleed 'em, what, once every 2 years? 3 years?
I wouldn't put them on a touring bike that I was taking to Peru, but they're great for everything else.
>bending rotors back in shapewut the fuk are you going on about
