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American Transit Appeal

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 17:54:21 No.1184013 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1184024 >>1184067 >>1184097 >>1184099 >>1184111 >>1184250 >>1184584 >>1184608 >>1184827 >>1185872 >>1187701 >>1188943 >>1189087 >>1190000 >>1190059 >>1191363 >>1193273

Satirical comic aside, what should American transit agencies do to grow the appeal for mass transit in America, especially after American cities like Nashville voted against it?

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/01/nashville-transit-vote-davidson-county-mass-transit/564991002/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 18:04:22 No.1184018 Report

Quoted By: >>1184021 >>1190173

Kelly annoys the fuck out of me. I can never tell if he's being ironic or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 18:11:50 No.1184021 Report

Quoted By: >>1184044 >>1185186 >>1185354

>>1184018
Rub those two brain cells together real hard for me and I'm sure you can come up with an answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 18:23:08 No.1184024 Report

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>>1184013
You cant reverse our poorpeople/commie fearmongering

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 18:51:45 No.1184044 Report

Quoted By: >>1184566 >>1185354 >>1190173

>>1184021
One of the brain cells says no and the other one says yes.
Regardless, he's never clever or funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 19:42:24 No.1184058 Report

Quoted By: >>1184074

Stop subsidizing cars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 19:59:44 No.1184066 Report

Quoted By:

Stop smelling like urine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 20:04:41 No.1184067 Report

Quoted By: >>1184089 >>1184096 >>1184098 >>1186361

>>1184013
Turn big mass transit stations into shopping malls, smaller ones may at least have some small booths. The rent is used to finance parts of the network
Argue that mass transport would keep the streets emptier, thus making them far more pleasent to drive on. It would also reduce stress on roads
Don't try to pass it individually, but put it in a general infrastructure package. Which will include fixing roads. Argue that Public Transport = Less drivers = less strain on roads
Talk with local citizens about what a mass transit service needs to be appealing
No metros. These cunts are way too expensive. And design light rail systems in such a way that it won't hinder traffic

And most importantly: do not make car drivers feel guilty or in a disadvantage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 20:34:01 No.1184074 Report

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>>1184058
stop invading other countries or illegally funding and arming radical groups in other countries to overthrow their democratically elected government because they're not selling oil to the US as cheap as we want it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 21:28:18 No.1184089 Report

Quoted By: >>1184652

>>1184067
other than the shopping this is how Marin and Sonoma counties sold their light rail system

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 21:40:48 No.1184096 Report

Quoted By: >>1184242 >>1184461

>>1184067
>No metros. These cunts are way too expensive. And design light rail systems in such a way that it won't hinder traffic
>And most importantly: do not make car drivers feel guilty or in a disadvantage
Yeah let's make mass transit a shittier version of sitting in a car, will totally save the fucking thing.

Mass transit becomes attractive when people start realizing how miserable commuting in a car is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 21:41:31 No.1184097 Report

Quoted By: >>1186413

>>1184013
Whites only.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 21:45:53 No.1184098 Report

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>>1184067
>Turn big mass transit stations into shopping malls
that's how it is here in Chicago's Union Station and Merchandise Mart

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 21:45:57 No.1184099 Report

Quoted By: >>1189139

>>1184013
>Opposition efforts were led by NoTax4Tracks, a group funded by wealthy conservative donors, including automobile dealer Lee Beaman, developer Mark Bloom and others who remained anonymous. They hired Jeff Eller, a former Democratic consultant from Austin, Texas, formerly of Nashville, who usually works with corporations in legal matters.

A cage dealer, a boomer dealing with real estate, and a kike.
Good Lord why do americans love being fucked in the ass by their corporate overlords so much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 22:05:06 No.1184111 Report

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>>1184013
To be fair, $9 Billion is a lot of money. There's very little you could spend that on and actually see decent support. The fact that a red city in a red State actually voted 1/3 for the plan is insane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 22:09:06 No.1184113 Report

Quoted By: >>1189624 >>1190764

Ban homeless from using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 May 2018 23:27:06 No.1184144 Report

Quoted By:

Empower transit vehicle operators and transit companies to forcefully implement their regulations

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 May 2018 06:47:35 No.1184242 Report

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>>1184096
Go with a hybrid system
Or do it like they do it in Wuppertal and make a suspension railway. It can carry high capacities as well but is cheaper to build

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 May 2018 07:58:02 No.1184250 Report

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>>1184013
>9billion dollary-doos for a light rail transit plan

French here, i would have voted against it. it stinks of corruption fueled price gouging.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 May 2018 23:16:56 No.1184461 Report

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>>1184096
At least an illusion should be given out to car drivers before baiting them over and give them the actual improvement

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 00:03:18 No.1184476 Report

Quoted By: >>1184814

You need population density and multi use zonig first.

High rise dwellers that are surrounded by walking distance shopping and services. That will only drive out of the city and to work across town.

Then you make the expressways around and through the city into toll roads. Priced in such a way that people coming from outside won't mind paying, but those inside will stay off unless leaving town.

Rail comes in gradually. Connecting the airport, stadiums, and downtown with the edges of the city. People aren't commuting on it yet. Just using it for avoiding high traffic events and paying for long term parking. Bit by bit you add in rail to resident dense areas.

Finally being on mass transit has to be pleasant. Which means clean stations and trains, friendly and competent staff, policing the riff Raff, convinence shopping. Stations located where people need to be. Instead of where you could msot easily put them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 05:28:58 No.1184566 Report

Quoted By: >>1185158

>>1184044
t. today's no-good teenage punk
I bet you even listen to Rap Band.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 07:56:53 No.1184584 Report

Quoted By: >>1184598 >>1184600 >>1184629 >>1184672 >>1185823 >>1188419

>>1184013
>propose to tax the shit out of an entire region to pay for a small mass transit system that only benefits the urban core
>it gets rejected
>people wonder how could this possibly happen
look closely at pic related and maybe the puzzle will solve itself for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 08:34:30 No.1184588 Report

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build systems of networks that provide broad coverage and a convenient, frequent, fast, and cheap
its what the rest of the world does

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 10:00:03 No.1184598 Report

Quoted By: >>1184672

>>1184584
are the orange+green lines the proposed transit system? Also, how dense are those areas - how many people would it have served?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 10:07:15 No.1184600 Report

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>>1184584
apparently people in tenesse don't understand how to park and ride when going to the city.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 10:42:46 No.1184608 Report

Quoted By: >>1184630

>>1184013
>free WiFi in train/light rail/bus
>charging port for each seat
>folding table like in airliner seats

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 13:18:12 No.1184629 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184584
>Urban core is small
That's your problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 13:19:17 No.1184630 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184608
>Wifi
>Charging port
Help nothing
>Foldable table
Worsen the hygiene

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 15:43:49 No.1184652 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184089
>SHART

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 May 2018 17:22:45 No.1184672 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184584
>>1184598
I saw a figure that say only 26% of the county populations will be within 800m from any LRT or BRT stations being proposed. And total population of the county is 0.7M. I am.not an American citizen and don't know the situation on the ground, but from the look of it, either you would need to grow the city larger, or you would need to subdivide the county to smaller portion if you want to move ahead with the transit plan, as if most of the population aren't living close enough to the city to be served by proposed system then there's no point for them to support the government to do so

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 May 2018 01:42:59 No.1184799 Report

Quoted By:

>the taxes currently generated by the urban core helps subsidize the building of infrastructure meant to help rural welfare cage cucks
>rural cucks vote down infrastructure spending package to help the urban core achieve its own transportation goals
really gets the noggin joggin

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 May 2018 02:21:58 No.1184814 Report

Quoted By: >>1185167

>>1184476
>You need population density and multi use zonig first.
>Rail comes in gradually.
Good way to waste assloads of money and absolutely ensure no system ever gets built.
Maybe it would work if the municipality owned all the ROWs.
Ideally, this is one reason why greenbelts are a good idea. You just forbid all development on abutting lands until you're ready to build out new lines.

I think if some rich SV asshole could manage to buy a couple hundred mostly connected hectares somewhere decent and plop a few subway lines and other infrastructure down, it would work. Issue development standards and put all the land as rented plots. Make rent cheap until development starts then jack up the price. Having the right framework and being affordable will facilitate development at a pace quicker than these dinosaur cities of the past could ever even dream of.

Basically, you are starting starting over, but it is the only idea to save America cities a lot of pain. Working with everyone else will just take a lot of money+ time so we need a strong man to do this for us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 May 2018 03:13:27 No.1184827 Report

Quoted By: >>1185032 >>1185141 >>1185170 >>1189512

>>1184013
>what should American transit agencies do to grow the appeal for mass transit in America
Nothing. 'Mass transit' is for the poor and people who are too old to drive themselves who have no one to drive for them. People like personal transportation, they don't like being stuffed into a box with a bunch of smelly, germ-ridden, rude strangers, among a million other solid reasons. All through the ages personal transportation has been a sign of wealth and prosperity, and the lack of it a clear sign of poverty and failure in life. 'Mass transit' will always exist in one form or another as long as there are poor people. If and when we don't extinguish ourselves, destroy the planet, and destroy our civilization, and we prosper as a species to the point where 'scarcity' is not longer a Thing, then maybe we won't need mass transit anymore. Until then you can forget about forcing people to use it, it's never going to happen.
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Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 May 2018 17:25:16 No.1185032 Report

Quoted By: >>1185035 >>1189635

>>1184827
Yet American people travel on airlines more often than any other countries on the earth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 May 2018 17:32:11 No.1185035 Report

Quoted By: >>1185039

>>1185032
A consequence of pioneering a lot of aviation technology and business models, plus geography.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 May 2018 17:43:03 No.1185039 Report

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>>1185035
Just like many aspects of rails

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 May 2018 23:30:49 No.1185141 Report

Quoted By: >>1185387

>>1184827
If you pick standing in a traffic jam for half an hour over sitting in a smelly poor people box, then your time is propably not valuable enought to have a right to call things "poor people stuff"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 May 2018 00:06:47 No.1185158 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184566
he just does it for the hip-gyration

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 May 2018 01:10:05 No.1185167 Report

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>>1184814
You pass a law that makes all proeprty in an area on replaced by more dense development. Including some green belts.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 06 May 2018 01:18:56 No.1185170 Report

Quoted By: >>1188175 >>1189512 >>1191666

>>1184827
The thing is, public transporation is only disgusting in America and other places like it. You go to Japan or Europe and everything is sparkling clean and insanely efficient, taking the train in NYC compared to Kyoto or Luxembourg it's fucking night and day. And you know why? Because Americans hate other Americans, they WANT public transportation to suck because all of the retards think it's undignified anyway so it should be horrible, even though they only thing that because it's horrible. This idea that every American should own a car is retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 May 2018 02:52:51 No.1185186 Report

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>>1184021
Wow ur so smart
Where.can I subscribe,like and upboat you?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 06 May 2018 17:54:24 No.1185354 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184021
>>1184044
Kelly is based and repilled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 May 2018 19:46:35 No.1185387 Report

Quoted By: >>1185426

>>1185141
You can usually do shit in a traffic jam, like take calls, unless your car is some bassackwards shitbox. If your time really is that important, you have a driver. Trying to get shit done on a nogbox is impossible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 May 2018 21:59:08 No.1185426 Report

Quoted By: >>1185834

>>1185387
Weird, I have wifi and a table for my laptop on the nogbox I take to work every day. It never has stop/start jerky motion either.

How many people do you actually think have a driver?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 06 May 2018 22:42:09 No.1185448 Report

Quoted By:

>road hogs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 17:41:51 No.1185823 Report

Quoted By: >>1185834 >>1189090

>>1184584
>urban core generatres profits that are used to build rural bumblefuck car infrastructure
all fine and dandy

>a proposition to build transport for urban core so it works more efficiently in order to generate muh profits
reeeee muh taxes muh guns muh freedom this is merica *dies of heart attack in a fast food joint*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 18:27:36 No.1185834 Report

Quoted By: >>1186372

>>1185426
>wifi and table on public transit
where the fuck is this? in my city you're lucky to get enough space to get away from the criddler who's trying to piss on your leg and/or poz you with his used needles
>>1185823
nashville barely has an urban core, dumbfuck, and bumping sales tax into the double digits to pay for light rail that nobody will pay fare on or even ride will provoke a taxpayer revolt. the people behind the proposal could not even state that it would alleviate the city's traffic problems or how they would promote paying ridership, given that everyone who usually uses public transit in the US (elderly, poor, disabled, kids) would be exempted from fares under their plan. it was a really fucking obvious boondoggle and the voters were smart enough to catch on to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 19:38:20 No.1185855 Report

Quoted By: >>1185880

That’s a multi-billion-dollar question man.

Even on imageboards Americans are too unaware of mass transit and have all sorts of bad misconceptions. They were raised by boomers, who all grew up dependent on cars, so boomers write uninformed articles and the young people swallow it up.

If you do any kind of research on transportation you know America needs a lot more trains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 20:51:45 No.1185872 Report

Quoted By: >>1185877 >>1189093

>>1184013
Reduce the number of minorities in the country so white people are actually willing to pay higher taxes because they know it will be going to help other white people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 21:02:08 No.1185877 Report

Quoted By: >>1189095

>>1185872
be careful, you'll trigger the back to pol troll

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 May 2018 21:05:57 No.1185880 Report

Quoted By:

>>1185855
>If you do any kind of research
This is one of the broader problems that the US has - there are problems and inefficiencies in many areas of our public life (transport, infrastructure, healthcare, law enforcement... list goes on) that are the result of our market-driven system, but we don't have a good mechanism for implementing rational policy improvements that would have social benefits. So research, regardless of its merits, ends up being useless unless it can be harnessed to support a profit motive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 May 2018 21:19:00 No.1186326 Report

Quoted By:

Take an ax to corrupt, poor and criminally overpaid manegmemt and unions, and put it back into the system, like fucking fixing what is alreasy in existence and keeping it running on schedule instead of wasting money on retarded shit like wifi for basedboy autists on the internet so they can feel warm and fuzzy and sound hip when they talk about how they use MUH MODERN/SEXY public transit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 08 May 2018 21:45:56 No.1186334 Report

Quoted By: >>1186426 >>1189095 >>1189097

>Reduce the number of minorities in the country so white people are actually willing to pay higher taxes because they know it will be going to help other white people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 May 2018 23:34:51 No.1186361 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184067
shopping malls are dying ,let's add one to transit stations

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 May 2018 23:44:49 No.1186364 Report

Quoted By: >>1186382

>ban hobos and the mentally ill from using public transit
>suddenly 900000000x more satiable
But no, everyone has to suffer because we can't "exclude" the "disprivileged" heroin addicts and pants shitting schizo guttersleepers. Hell, let's give free and discounted transit passes to every hobo we meet! Hurururuurrrr, why aren't people using the transit system?
Not to mention the existing transit is total ass and doesn't make people want more of it. Other day I waited 45 minutes for the fucking bus on a high density route. I've waited over 50 for a light rail to come. If it's not going to be efficient and reliable, and importantly not full of stinking hobos shooting up and pissing all over themselves, no one will want to use the fucking shit.
Then you have the sprawl problem, and the only final solution for that is to gas the boomers and gen x, age war now. Build tower apartments, revert the single family housing and suburbs back into wildland and parks. Everyone would win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 May 2018 00:03:52 No.1186372 Report

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>>1185834
In Minnesota there is free wifi on commuter rail, light rail, and most buses. (All suburban commuter buses and most buses on routes with upgraded BRT like features.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 May 2018 00:15:51 No.1186382 Report

Quoted By: >>1188624

>>1186364
>gas the boomers and gen x, age war now.
YES, THANK YOU
90% of the problem with transportation is the fact that everyone lives in a shitty house in a shitty suburb driving a shitty car 20 miles to work down the same shitty street as every other shitty person in their shitty suburb so that they can claim to be happy in their shitty life. It wasn't always like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 May 2018 01:48:05 No.1186413 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184097
This, unironically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 May 2018 02:54:14 No.1186426 Report

Quoted By: >>1186554

>>1186334
Wow, I really see the error of my ways now, thank you.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 May 2018 15:50:42 No.1186554 Report

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>>1186426
Glad I could help friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 May 2018 18:43:40 No.1186592 Report

Quoted By: >>1186596 >>1187710 >>1187725

Should transit agencies seek to attract new ridership from choice riders or should they improve existing service to better serve current transit riders (and increase ridership).
Assume that the subsidy per additional rider is the same but that the agency only has enough funding to address one method.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 May 2018 18:53:17 No.1186596 Report

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>>1186592
This is going to vary from region to region - some cities have underserved areas with latent demand, others don't.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 May 2018 14:37:29 No.1187701 Report

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>>1184013
>what should American transit agencies do to grow the appeal for mass transit in America,
build a secondary and exclusive transit system with high speed wifi, work stations, closed passenger lists, door to door service, breakfast bar with waitress and barista,

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 May 2018 15:09:08 No.1187710 Report

Quoted By:

>>1186592
Focus on daily transit. These are the ones clogging up the cities and roads

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 May 2018 15:44:40 No.1187725 Report

Quoted By: >>1188111

>>1186592
Keeo current riders

DC metro is THE case atudy for this problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 May 2018 04:14:46 No.1188111 Report

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>>1187725
Well, the DC area kinda has two major issues with the Metro and its the system’s failure due to institutional incompetence (everyone fucked up) and the insufficient service for the region (hours are tricky, the city requires a lot of walking to reach proper stations on foot, dense suburban areas and former streetcar suburbs inadequately served, etc). If WMATA better handled these two issues, there’s no doubt the system would attract even more choice riders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 May 2018 10:29:58 No.1188175 Report

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>>1185170
pretty much this desu. The part about americans hating americans is on point.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 May 2018 17:41:07 No.1188344 Report

Quoted By: >>1188621

Is BRT the answer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 May 2018 19:46:20 No.1188419 Report

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>>1184584
Yeah, the county where I am at, the buses only serve the urban suburban valley. the people over the mountain get almost zero service.

And the damn buses dont run pas 19:00/7:00 PM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 03:18:38 No.1188621 Report

Quoted By: >>1188784 >>1188884

>>1188344
Thanks for posting my meme

However what you should realise is that light/medium rail works better for trunk routes. See what happens when all the buses meet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dQ72bDKPGg.
The vehicles simply aren't long enough. You need less frequency, longer vehicles. But it could be a long time before city needs the light rail's capacity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 03:24:51 No.1188624 Report

Quoted By: >>1188887 >>1188941 >>1189098

>>1186382
Everyone lives in a shitty suburb because they wanted to get the fuck away from hobos and niggers. Every time anyone asks, "why don't America do this a bloobloobloo" the answer is: because niggers ruin it.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Mon 14 May 2018 13:31:10 No.1188784 Report

Quoted By: >>1188985

Get back to your containment board.
>>1188621
What is medium rail?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 17:23:15 No.1188884 Report

Quoted By: >>1188886 >>1188985

>>1188621
Because one doesn't use non articulated buses for BRT. It works better with buses like pic related. This prototype is 30 meters (100 feet) long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 17:24:46 No.1188886 Report

Quoted By: >>1188963

>>1188884
This is like 1.5 railroad cars lengthwise... Too short

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 17:24:54 No.1188887 Report

Quoted By:

>>1188624
Also fire hazards in cities

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 19:23:47 No.1188941 Report

Quoted By: >>1188988 >>1189106 >>1189333

>>1188624
>import niggers en masse to achieve enormous economic growth, quickly becoming a world power
>150 years later: "WAAAAH NIGGERS RUIN EVERYTHING"
you cocksuckers should be forced at gunpoint to ride transit and mingle with the scourge you brought upon yourselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 19:26:17 No.1188943 Report

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>>1184013
>what should American transit agencies do to grow the appeal for mass transit in America
nothing. Let those idiots waste their lives sitting in traffic and breathing shit while they think they're better than everyone else for it. I'll be happy to see their economy go to shit over wasting all those resources on the most inefficient form of transport imaginable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 20:55:40 No.1188963 Report

Quoted By: >>1188985

>>1188886
It's still way better than non-articulated buses. Also, BRT has a key advantage over rail: Trains can't go beyond their tracks. The buses can leave the busway to serve a local area directly, and even a partial busway can serve the full route. (And you WILL have a partial busway before all of it is completed)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 21:52:44 No.1188985 Report

Quoted By: >>1189320 >>1189351

>>1188784
It's not a well defined term but generally:
- Medium rail vehicles need specific boarding platforms, because they are generally higher than light rail, with bogie sizes in between what light and heavy generally have
- Medium rail vehicles have seperated carriages rather than one large articulated vehicle, but the carriages are shorter and narrower than heavy rail

>>1188884
By the time a bus has to be this long, you really need to consider whether to build rails.

>>1188963
I'd like to see bi-articulated buses on suburban streets. Clearly you need a mixed fleet, with standard buses on suburban routes and articulated buses only on trunk busway routes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 May 2018 21:59:44 No.1188988 Report

Quoted By: >>1189671 >>1190802

>>1188941
Your timeline's messed. It's more along the lines of
>Jews import niggers to make a buck
>whites decide slavery is wrong and free slaves
>uppity negroes everywhere
>blacks are on the verge of fully integrating into white society in the 1950s
>government grants them civil rights
>government proceeds to destroy their communities with low-key racism, drugs, welfare, freeways, and mass incarceration
>gee what happened

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 01:30:42 No.1189087 Report

Quoted By: >>1189671

>>1184013
Clean up the niggers. The main reason people don't want to use them is because they are crawling with shit skins and those people don't want to be a victim of crimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 01:32:32 No.1189090 Report

Quoted By: >>1189336

>>1185823
Conservatives and Republicans pay the most taxes and generate the most revenue all the people in the core are niggers who just leech.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 01:33:32 No.1189093 Report

Quoted By:

>>1185872
Pretty much this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 01:34:33 No.1189095 Report

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>>1185877
he already did here. >>1186334

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 01:35:35 No.1189097 Report

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>>1186334
The op was right lefty. Niggers ruin everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 01:36:36 No.1189098 Report

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>>1188624
/thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 01:48:18 No.1189106 Report

Quoted By:

>>1188941
we've given those niggers everything and they still act like savages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 02:42:22 No.1189139 Report

Quoted By: >>1189337

>>1184099
No, faggot. This is why no sane city wants mass transit... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/creep-ejaculated-woman-rode-city-bus-sought-cops-article-1.3982853

Would you like someone to cum on your back?

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Tue 15 May 2018 12:42:32 No.1189320 Report

Quoted By: >>1189581

>>1188985
At this point, none of those terms make sense to me anymore. I used to think stadtbahn, for example, was a compromise between light rail and tram. But many stadtbahn systems use high floor vehicles and raised platforms. That would fit the description of medium and heavy rail in your scheme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 13:22:13 No.1189333 Report

Quoted By: >>1190031

>>1188941
We imported negroes and turned them into niggers in the late 20th century, after they got uppity and asked for rights and shit and proved that they could be a potentially destabilizing force against the ((powers that be)). Now there's a deeply entrenched nigger-industrial complex that uses racism in the form of "social justice" to turn the black man into an eternal victim. Get woke.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 13:52:02 No.1189336 Report

Quoted By:

>>1189090
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/10/poor-neighborhoods-make-the-best-investment
>tfw your narrative gets btfo'd
The author is conservative, by the way.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 13:54:40 No.1189337 Report

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>>1189139

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 15:47:18 No.1189351 Report

Quoted By: >>1189360

>>1188985
That bus (Auto Tram Extra Grand) has the turning radius of a standard bus thanks to electronic all wheel steering. Also, there's still double decker buses, single articulated buses and bus trailers. Or an articulated double decker bus with trailer.

Articulated double decker buses exist (Neoplan Jumbocruiser, on pic related) and are likely able to be fitted with a trailer coupler (regulatory issues aside).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 16:20:27 No.1189360 Report

Quoted By: >>1189511

>>1189351
>electronic all wheel steering
ahhh, great, more stuff that can break down and will shorten its useful life while raising costs of mainenance. And all that just to avoid using rails because reasons. What a time to be alive.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 20:27:12 No.1189511 Report

Quoted By: >>1189581 >>1189693

>>1189360
Reasons why not being dependent on rails is good:
Accidents
Illegally parked cars
Broken down vehicle in front
Construction
Lower initial investment

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 20:30:01 No.1189512 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184827
It's fine in places where you don't have thousands of negroes and mexicans and the degenerated whites from the social dysfunction and drug abuse.

>>1185170
This.

Also America has extremely low population density, which is fine on it's own. Leave it alone, it lets the youngsters like me stretch their legs and live a nice life and have a differing culture than Europe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 22:31:44 No.1189581 Report

Quoted By: >>1189957

>>1189320
Stadtbahn definitely looks like medium rail to me. As an Australian heavy rail means serious 6 carriage trains (2x3 unit sets) with bogies so tall you would need a ladder to get up to the carriage doors if there were no platform, 2-3 doors on a carriage, which is a lot bigger than stadtbahn vehicles which a reasonably fit person could enter with a large step.

>>1189511
>accidents
it's still hard to move a bus that's had an accident, in fact you can tow a tram home along the tracks if it's damaged but not derailed.
>illegally parked cars
Something has gone wrong if the car has parked in the middle of the street. This doesn't happen.
>broken down vehicle in front
Trams turn around with one of several turnouts along the route when they reach the vehicle and form the service going the other way until the broken down tram is towed. Trams also don't break down often.
>Construction
>lower initial investment
Laziness, and the price of running the trams is cheaper in the long run, so it's not a good argument. Buses need replacement way too often.
>pic
Meme-tram-bus still relies on painted markings on the ground to tell it where to go. In a real tram system there would just be a turnout here and it would work fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 May 2018 23:37:09 No.1189605 Report

Quoted By:

In america you have to judge each system individually, and account for each region's and city's needs

Woththat said, all would benefit from better control over mentally ill/homeless and criminals, which is a seperste topiv from transportation, but until addressed will leave us going around in circles in conversation

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 00:08:07 No.1189624 Report

Quoted By: >>1190764

>>1184113
not sure about banning the homeless, could work, but more specifically, make it so that jobs are more localized and people actually want to live in cities and improve the inner city life. With everything close, less people are apt to drive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 00:15:10 No.1189635 Report

Quoted By: >>1189671 >>1189694

>>1185032
Airlines generally cost more and thus are less likely to have poorer people on them. It's not the same as trains because trains in cities now are cheap and usually full of weird people, a lot of which are on some form of drug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 00:26:08 No.1189648 Report

Quoted By:

I feel as though for Americans, it's not going to be as easy as in Europe. In Europe, everything is usually much more concentrated,so travel by track is easier. In America, everything is more spread out and implementing a system that no one likes in the first place won't really help for it to become popular once they realize it doesn't really boost the economy all that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 01:01:34 No.1189671 Report

Quoted By: >>1189682

>>1189087
this but unironically and with political correctness that will trigger /pol/acks

america thinks all public transit is full of niggers and meth heads. the key imo is to start introducing it in suburbs in cutesy ways (tram-styled buses, appeal to the transit needs of kids, etc) to make it more palatable by showing that mass transit isn't necessarily a crime haven, and they only become crime havens if the place the bus services are crime havens

that said, the only times ive really felt unsafe on a bus have been in suburbs, niggers all have donk landbarges and strung out abbos have nowhere to go so while they hang out at bus stations they never actually get on the bus

>>1189635
i dont take the train often at all but i have never experienced this. i've seen methed out weirdos on buses but never on the train. and even on buses it's not that common in the day time

>>1188988
>amerimutts actually believe it was the jews that started the slave trade to america
are confederate flags secret zionist symbols?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 01:28:13 No.1189682 Report

Quoted By: >>1189684

>>1189671
>the key imo is to start introducing it in suburbs in cutesy ways (tram-styled buses, appeal to the transit needs of kids, etc) to make it more palatable

Literal cancer, testicular emasculating cancer

And delusional to think people dont like transportation in its normal utilitarian fashion

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 01:39:22 No.1189684 Report

Quoted By:

>>1189682
>Literal cancer, testicular emasculating cancer
it's the only way to reach the suburban nu-male demographic though. it's a necessary evil.

>And delusional to think people dont like transportation in its normal utilitarian fashion
americans are retarded, so they have very strange ideas about mass transit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 02:13:58 No.1189693 Report

Quoted By: >>1189958

>>1189511
This trackless train still need to follow the track

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 02:15:03 No.1189694 Report

Quoted By:

>>1189635
You can just price the train more expensive than air travel just like what they did in Japan

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 16:16:01 No.1189957 Report

Quoted By:

>>1189581
Buses, even the Autonomous "Rail" Rapid Transit, can just DRIVE AROUND accidents, construction sites and other obstacles. Yes, that "meme bus" can drive without the markings, they're only for the autopilot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 16:18:09 No.1189958 Report

Quoted By: >>1189959

>>1189693
No, the markings are only for the autopilot. On manual drive, it doesn't need the virtual track.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 16:21:43 No.1189959 Report

Quoted By: >>1189988

>>1189958
This thing don't even have door mirror

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 17:52:30 No.1189988 Report

Quoted By: >>1190084

>>1189959
It has cameras instead of normal mirrors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 18:09:39 No.1190000 Report

Quoted By: >>1190001

>>1184013
>a city in the south
>voted against raising taxes
I'm fucking shocked.

That's the problem. People see taxes being raised and refuse to think about whatever the idea attached to it is, because that's just what classical liberalism is like
>inb4 confusing classical and neo liberalism

If you want to grow the appeal of mass transit, especially in Midwest/Southern "red" states that desperately need it, you have to talk about it in terms that don't outright mention raising taxes, or you have to show how the individual tax payer is going to be able to make a personal profit off introducing it. You can't talk about it in terms of how it helps the environment or supports the poor or whatever - you have to demonstrate how the individual tax payer is both going to get their money's worth out of it and even be able to make some of that money back.

I would personally start by showing how high transportation costs to businesses in general can be, but especially to the small, local business, and how the availability of not only mass personnel transit but also mass material transit on something like a rail system would drastically reduce overhead. Sell it as an investment - some tax money now for bigger profits tomorrow, etc. The problem with that is that many small businesses cannot afford to operate on the whole debt-today-profit-tomorrow model.

But that's where I'd start.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Wed 16 May 2018 18:14:48 No.1190001 Report

Quoted By: >>1190014 >>1190020

>>1190000
>confusing neo-liberalism and social liberalism
Classical liberalism and neo-liberalism are virtually the same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 18:54:16 No.1190014 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190001
W E W L A D
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Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 19:08:05 No.1190020 Report

Quoted By: >>1190025

>>1190001
to the neoliberal, the social liberal is basically a commie. Social liberalism is based on the idea of the state compensating for any base inequality, so that everyone is free to pursue their own destiny BUT everyone gets the same chance. This means the state provides
>education
>housing
>health
>transportation
and all other basic necessities so that you will get a similar chance at life as a rich person.
Neoliberalism on the other hand believes everyone for himself, period. If you're born poor, deal with it, you get nothing.

t. swissfag
(our country was founded on the basis of social liberalism, that's why it favours free enterprise but at the same time the state provides all basic services. That's why we're so good at balancing those two things, we all more or less agree on where the line is between what the state should provide and what not)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 19:15:37 No.1190025 Report

Quoted By: >>1190033 >>1190045

>>1190020
>The country with a small and very wealthy and highly educated nation has a different view on social service to a very large nation with heaping loads of uneducated poor folk.
Well golly-gee-wilickers!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 19:37:08 No.1190031 Report

Quoted By:

>>1189333
>nigger-industrial complex
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 19:44:27 No.1190033 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190025
>he thinks Switzerland has always been wealthy
you're trying too hard m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 20:02:26 No.1190045 Report

Quoted By: >>1190054 >>1190057

>>1190025
>that nation that spends more on military than the next 10 combined can't afford basic social services for a bunch of people
cry me a fucking river

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 20:17:26 No.1190054 Report

Quoted By: >>1190055

>>1190045
The US military basically is a welfare system. If you're too retarded to get in, you may as well just be exterminated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 20:19:15 No.1190055 Report

Quoted By: >>1190115

>>1190054
sooo... you're going to keep missing the point I see? Didn't expect less from a retarded burger. Remember that this whole discussion was about the difference between neoliberalism and social liberalism? Or is your HFCS atrophied brain incapable of an attention span of more than 3 posts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 20:24:26 No.1190057 Report

Quoted By: >>1190356

>>1190045
>Speaking about dollar amounts and not percent of GDP.
>Implying military spending is the largest cost in the US's budget and not healthcare, education, and social security payments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 20:26:39 No.1190059 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184013
Reasons I don't use public transport
>too many non whites
>90% whites using it are nigger tier
>smells like shit
>people always smoking around terminals
>homeless people sleeping at terminals
>always fights at the terminals
>body oder
>no personal space
>double the travel time with 1/10th the comfort

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 May 2018 22:27:16 No.1190084 Report

Quoted By: >>1190397

>>1189988
I don't think the camera available is sufficient for use as road vehicle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 00:50:05 No.1190115 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190055
>all these ad homs
I accept your concession.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 05:06:56 No.1190173 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184018
>>1184044
'Kelly' is The Onion satirising political cartoonists

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 14:51:45 No.1190356 Report

Quoted By: >>1190390 >>1190391 >>1190393 >>1190395

>>1190057
>don't know if lying or actually that retarded

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 15:27:28 No.1190373 Report

Quoted By:

>i'd use public transport if it wasn't so full of minorities that bully me at school
>hail groBgermanium!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 16:27:51 No.1190390 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190356
Kek
>I am too stupid to know what mandatory spending is, and what it is comprised of
Same source as you, retard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 16:28:36 No.1190391 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190356
>Discretionary spending
Stop being dishonest.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 16:32:11 No.1190393 Report

Quoted By: >>1190401

>>1190356
Narrowing it down for you... literally, all you had to do was scroll down the page.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 16:33:14 No.1190395 Report

Quoted By: >>1190401 >>1190475

>>1190356
And we have arrived at our destination, the full picture of total spending. Not your narrow slice of data that supports your distorted view of reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 16:41:26 No.1190397 Report

Quoted By: >>1190402

>>1190084
Maybe in a regulatory sense. On a technical side, it's even better than mirrors since it can be displayed closer to the driver's field of vision.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 16:46:46 No.1190401 Report

Quoted By: >>1190411

>>1190395
>>1190393
>posts mandatory spending

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 16:47:29 No.1190402 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190397
What I mean is that this things seems even longer than the like of BRT so I suspect would conventional safety system applied to road/rail vehicle be enough to guarantee its safety in mixed traffic without separation nor dedicated traffic rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 17:00:47 No.1190411 Report

Quoted By: >>1190412 >>1190466

>>1190401
>thinks there is no waste in mandatory spending
Do you even know why it's mandatory? Even the interest on the debt is mandatory... just like getting locked into a lease you can't afford is still mandatory spending, kiddo.
One day you'll grow up and start having to pay taxes and balance a budget, and it will all make sense to you. Hopefully.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 17:05:21 No.1190412 Report

Quoted By: >>1190466

>>1190411

He must have went to the Justin Trudeau School of Economics.

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Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 19:28:31 No.1190466 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190411
>>1190412

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 19:50:03 No.1190475 Report

Quoted By: >>1190533

>>1190395
>people pay into social security
>social security pays out
>???

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 19:53:00 No.1190477 Report

Quoted By: >>1190484 >>1190522 >>1190535

Whats the best form of public transport?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 20:14:22 No.1190484 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190477
The town bicycle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 22:01:13 No.1190522 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190477
ur momma

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 22:28:34 No.1190533 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190475
It pays out way more than people put in, because population growth rates aren't at boomer levels anymore. Also, unemployment gibs are a giant money pit cause of nig nogs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 May 2018 22:30:00 No.1190535 Report

Quoted By:

>>1190477
Depends on population density, and distance to cover. Usually a good network consists of high speed intercity rail, quick intracity light rail, and a bus + brt network everywhere not directly served by the trains

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 May 2018 04:28:07 No.1190764 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184113
>>1189624

how SMART does it is by requiring e-ticketing through a branded transit card that requires a valid mailing address or a paper month pass. This effectively bans 99% of homeless people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 May 2018 06:18:28 No.1190802 Report

Quoted By: >>1190831 >>1190870

>>1188988

Anyone complaining about Jews and Blacks instantly outs themselves as colossal pussy that's probably 17 years old.

Grow a sack of nuts and get a grip, Jesus Christ. You people embarrass yourselves.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Fri 18 May 2018 09:51:35 No.1190831 Report

Quoted By: >>1190870

>>1190802
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 May 2018 14:24:59 No.1190870 Report

Quoted By: >>1191125 >>1191353

>>1190802
>>1190831
>government proceeds to destroy their communities with low-key racism, drugs, welfare, freeways, and mass incarceration
Is this wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 May 2018 03:39:00 No.1191125 Report

Quoted By: >>1191353

>>1190870
The fag just got giga-triggered by "Jew" and stopped reading. Just the the faggot who reported the post about the nigger-industrial complex because it shines a light on the government plan to keep the black man down in the aftermath of the civil rights movement.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Sat 19 May 2018 18:49:20 No.1191353 Report

Quoted By:

>>1191125
>>1190870
But that anon still complained about jews and blacks like their jewness or blackness was "the" problem. We all know that the US government is the biggest player in present-day racism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 May 2018 19:21:13 No.1191363 Report

Quoted By: >>1191569

>>1184013
Make income tax inversely proportional to the population density of the county you live in.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Sun 20 May 2018 07:40:31 No.1191569 Report

Quoted By:

>>1191363
>thousands of favelas and Walled Cities pop up all across the country

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 May 2018 16:40:47 No.1191666 Report

Quoted By:

>>1185170
Americans are a degenerate subhuman race.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 May 2018 21:04:50 No.1193273 Report

Quoted By:

>>1184013
Public self driving cars.

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