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Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 12:31:38 No.1245908 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1245909 >>1245912 >>1246074 >>1246205 >>1255298 >>1256935

This is an attempt to get a German general going. "German" refers to the language region, so Austrian and Swiss transportation topics are welcome as well.

Let's start this off with a humorous failure at the Düsseldorf Rheinbahn, who have ordered 43 new trains for their tram network. They however forgot that they have a branch towards Duisburg and let the trains built too wide for their low-floor platforms. The entire order cost around €130 million and the added cost has yet to be determined.

News articles (German): https://www.nw.de/nachrichten/regionale_politik/22265032_Strassenbahn-zu-breit-Messfehler-kostet-Millionen.html
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/duesseldorf-duisburg-rheinbahn-strassenbahn-102.html

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Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 12:42:17 No.1245909 Report

Quoted By: >>1245913 >>1245915

>>1245908

Couldn't resist

https://www.bild.de/regional/frankfurt/frankfurt-aktuell/500-passagiere-waren-an-bord-ice-brennt-zwischen-frankfurt-und-koeln-57783756.bild.html

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Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 12:48:33 No.1245912 Report

Quoted By: >>1245914 >>1245917 >>1247913

>>1245908
>"German" refers to the language region
I think the term you should use is "DACH" since those are the country letters for the 3 places.

But speaking of which, do any of you have any interesting pieces of information about the Berlin construction projects?
https://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article213035371/Das-ist-der-aktuelle-Stand-auf-den-Berliner-Grossbaustellen.html
This has at least some list of stuff, but's it's in a clickbaity format.
There's no new news on the U5, little news on Ostkreuz and also absolutely nothing on BER.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 12:49:38 No.1245913 Report

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>>1245909
>montabaur
should've derailed into 1&1 HQ instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 12:50:40 No.1245914 Report

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>>1245912
I know but non-German speakers might not know what DACH means so I did it this way instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 12:53:11 No.1245915 Report

Quoted By: >>1246024 >>1247233

>>1245909
Wenigstens wurde niemand verletzt.
Aber im Ernst, scheiß auf die Deutsche Bahn. Astronomische Preise und gleichzeitig knausern die bei der Wartung der Züge. Man hätte die nie privatisieren sollen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 13:01:50 No.1245917 Report

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>>1245912
Regarding Berlin
>BER is helplessly lost to the point that people claim demolishing and re-building the terminals from scratch would be cheaper than trying to fix the problems
>Ostkreuz rebuild is supposed to be completed by December, or at least that's what DB claims (source below)
>U5 is delayed until 2020, that was known for long so not really news.
I gotta say though that my main interest is in Schleswig-Holstein and the greater Hamburg area so I only have surface information about Berlin.

Ostkreuz source: https://www.punkt3.de/index.php?go=lesen&read=5389

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 13:56:46 No.1245930 Report

Quoted By: >>1245980

I don't mind the topic, but this really needn't be a general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 16:59:20 No.1245980 Report

Quoted By: >>1245990

>>1245930
Probably. I was just trying to get one going, basically a pilot, but if it won't keep going then you won't see any more of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 17:35:38 No.1245990 Report

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>>1245980
I like it. A DACH general is a nice idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 20:36:12 No.1246024 Report

Quoted By: >>1246034

>>1245915
Retards who start using their native language out of nowhere in an international discussion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 21:27:40 No.1246034 Report

Quoted By: >>1246038 >>1246212

>>1246024
This isn't exactly the most international discussion. This is an English language website, but I doubt how many non-Germans are going to be interested in a thread like this.
I would count myself as a non-German, but I can speak the language as a second language, so it's not problem for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Oct 2018 21:52:19 No.1246038 Report

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>>1246034
I'm sure there's many non-german speakers here interested in what's happening. I'm always interested in /n/ related happenings all over the world, and depending where it's really hard to find first-hand information, other than crappy press reports.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Oct 2018 00:25:06 No.1246071 Report

Quoted By: >>1246208 >>1247024

RIP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Oct 2018 00:38:54 No.1246074 Report

Quoted By: >>1246827

>>1245908
>They however forgot that they have a branch towards Duisburg and let the trains built too wide for their low-floor platforms.
This is something you very much like to forget if you're in a situation like Düsseldorf and Duisburg. Municipal reforms were a mistake. Stadtbahn Rhein-Ruhr was a desaster.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Oct 2018 17:29:53 No.1246205 Report

Quoted By: >>1246220

>>1245908
Missed my bus two times in a row because of "Notfalleinsatz am Gleis", more or less meaning "emergency doctor operation at the rail", which is an euphemism used by the DB when somebody gets train`d.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Oct 2018 17:37:19 No.1246208 Report

Quoted By: >>1246220

>>1246071
Have they worked out what was the cause of the fire yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Oct 2018 17:56:00 No.1246212 Report

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>>1246034
It's simply impolite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Oct 2018 18:27:38 No.1246220 Report

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>>1246205
I thought they'd use "Personenunfall", maybe it's just the Hamburg U-Bahn though.

>>1246208
Some news outlets claimed the trafo caused it but last time I checked neither Bahn nor police confirmed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Oct 2018 20:44:20 No.1246827 Report

Quoted By: >>1247210

>>1246074
>This is something you very much like to forget...
One would have assumed they had a (digital?) system that keeps track of - among other things - the loading gauges present in the network.
They apparently had not, or they forgot to check it, or there was wrong information stored in there. Hopefully they will release a full report.
>Municipal reforms were a mistake.
Agreed. Although I don't see how they play into this.
>Stadtbahn Rhein-Ruhr was a desaster.
You forgot about the "is" and "will be" part of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 16:16:50 No.1247024 Report

Quoted By: >>1252143

>>1246071

AC still not working?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 06:55:24 No.1247210 Report

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>>1246827
Düsseldorf doesn't give a fuck about Duisburg because Düsseldorf is one of the most important international trade and industry hubs of the country, and Duisburg is a ghetto with a post-industrial wasteland attached. It is a very real possibility that U87 (or whichever it was) will terminate at the municipal border between the two cities in the near future because operating a stadtbahn line in Duisburg just doesn't pay off anymore. Doubly so with the new incompatible rolling stock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 09:22:01 No.1247233 Report

Quoted By: >>1247367

>>1245915
>scheiß auf die Deutsche Bahn
Ich fahr von Karlsruhe - München für 29€ im Sparpreis, dann für 15€ mit der BOB keine 50km.

so schlecht ist die Bahn nicht

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 20:04:57 No.1247367 Report

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>>1247233
>dann für 15€ mit der BOB keine 50km
What the fuck are you doing? That's a regular category C train, isn't it?
You could have covered that with your Sparpreis.
By the way, the price table is more or less determined by Deutsche Bahn, not the BOB.
The BOB is forced to accept that tariff by the transportation authorities (here: BEG).

>so schlecht ist die Bahn nicht
It's not, but the federal government has been doing its worst.
Prices for regular (not Sparpreis, not Bahncard) tickets are fucking insane.
At least there is an upper limit of roundabout 160 Euro, and there is BahnCard 100.

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Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 08:47:09 No.1247562 Report

Quoted By: >>1247563 >>1247584 >>1247775 >>1247788

What do you think of the plan to ignore timetables in the S-Bahn München tunnels?

Der Doxxer

Der Doxxer Thu 18 Oct 2018 08:48:46 No.1247563 Report

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>>1247562
da sie eh immer spätet kommen, begrüße ich diese Entwicklung

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 10:42:22 No.1247584 Report

Quoted By: >>1247788

>>1247562
Wow it's almost as if forcing 30 trains per hour and direction, from seven different lines, into the same two-track section with block signalling is a really bad idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 23:34:57 No.1247775 Report

Quoted By: >>1247922

>>1247562
KDEfag?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 00:21:52 No.1247788 Report

Quoted By: >>1247921

>>1247562
It wont change much for the most people. If you need a line to a certain suburb you are either on time or you wait about 20 minutes for the next train to your suburb. If you are just riding the S-Bahn for a few stations you can take (almost) any train anyway.

>>1247584
It works pretty well for decades.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 00:32:22 No.1247792 Report

Quoted By: >>1247810 >>1247924 >>1247930

Burger here, and I have a couple of questions for you Germa/n/s.
1) What cities in Germany have the best networks for their size, as well as the worst (frequency, reliability, cost, and so on).
2) How would you rate your local network?
3) Does your network still print some sort of timetable book?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 00:57:46 No.1247810 Report

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>>1247792
I'm not a German but I lived there for nearly a year, and I feel like I have a decent amount of outsider perspective, with enough actual knowledge.
>1) What cities in Germany have the best networks for their size, as well as the worst (frequency, reliability, cost, and so on).
Berlin has the largest network for a single city. The S-Bahn Berlin is unique in its nature, well, maybe similar to the S-Bahn Hamburg, but it's still a very expansive network with metro like stopping inside the city. It's uncharacteristic for an S-Bahn though. Berlin does however have a large number of RE and RB trains which allow for express services within the city as well as to the outskirts as well.
The Rhein-Ruhr area is probably the largest S-Bahn and regional network overall, but that's a mess of several cities like Cologne, Düsseldorf and smaller towns. Frequency here is high enough to have a great level of mobility. Costs are very similar in many places though, but within NRW, going on a 20 minute train with a single ticket can cost about €8 which I would say is too much, considering some networks elsewhere would have a similarly distanced route costing €3,20 or something like that. I guess it's up to the transport authority in the area, but monthly and annual tickets can be really cheap in the long run, especially if you travel a lot. Reliability is pretty decent. A lot of Germans really give off about the unreliability of whatever, but I've experienced rail disruption before, and it usually only occurs maybe once every few months.
>2) How would you rate your local network?
I lived near Berlin. I would give it an 8/10. Not perfect, but damn near good thanks to how well integrated regional and city transport was with each other.
>3) Does your network still print some sort of timetable book?
DB publishes a departures and arrivals book each year https://www.bahn.de/p/view/service/fahrplaene/fahrplanmedien.shtml?dbkanal_007=L01_S01_D001_KIN0023_-_druckmedien_LZ01

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 07:24:39 No.1247913 Report

Quoted By: >>1247927

>>1245912
>DACH
>not CHAD

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 08:40:54 No.1247921 Report

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>>1247788
The service pattern of 30 trains per hour literally hasn't been like this for "decades"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 08:46:56 No.1247922 Report

Quoted By: >>1247934

>>1247775
Yes, do you suck Poetterings dick?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 08:55:16 No.1247924 Report

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>>1247792
>1) What cities in Germany have the best networks for their size, as well as the worst (frequency, reliability, cost, and so on).
Can only speak for Hamburg pretty much. We have very frequent service and reliability for anything not S-Bahn is good. It's insultingly expensive though, we have some of the most expensive tickets in the country.

>2) How would you rate your local network?
Hamburg: It's good in the city centers. The S-Bahn is not so good but that is mostly because the Hamburg Senate is forcing all U- and S-Bahn lines to run through the Central Station, and while the U-Bahn has two seperate and independent stations there, the S-Bahn has not, so any time there is a disruption in the area, literally all S-Bahn services come to a halt. It does offer very fast service though, if there's no disruption. Also, most stations are clean enough to not feel displeased by anything. I'd give it a 7/10.

>3) Does your network still print some sort of timetable book?
Yes, the HVV, a tariff union of some 40 transport companies in and around Hamburg, publishes a large book for the main area, and seven smaller books for each of their member Landkreise (German equivalent of U.S. counties) every December.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 09:17:26 No.1247927 Report

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>>1247913
Seconding this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 09:33:36 No.1247930 Report

Quoted By: >>1247952

>>1247792
>1) What cities in Germany have the best networks for their size, as well as the worst (frequency, reliability, cost, and so on).
"Die Zeit" had an issue on that last year. I think it mostly were the usual suspects at top and bottom. Cologne was surprisingly bad, though.
>2) How would you rate your local network?
It's not bad, but once you get into the more rural sections, you are obviously fucked.
Even the lines in the city center could use improved frequencies in the morning rush hour, since they are packed. They literally could not cope with more people getting out of their cars.
>3) Does your network still print some sort of timetable book?
Yes, the Verkehrsverbünde usually issue those. Unfortunately no printed Kursbuch by Deutsche Bahn anymore.
There is https://kursbuch.bahn.de , though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 10:27:27 No.1247934 Report

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>>1247922
No, but I'm forced to use Poettering-ware.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 11:13:20 No.1247952 Report

Quoted By: >>1247967 >>1248151

>>1247930
>They literally could not cope with more people getting out of their cars.
This!
Friend of mine works for Stuttgarts transit company, and he is quite mad at all the politics pushing for
>stop using your cars, because of air quality, use the trains instead!
The trains are already packed at rush hour and they can't make them longer (because they are already at max length) and they can't run them more frequent (because they are already at the max frequency that is safely possible).
The only thing that could help, would be new lines, but good luck getting anything build in Germany.
First, you have to fight the nimbys, and if you finally managed that, your project is already way too old for the current reality and it will cost 5 times more as planned, back in the day. See S21…

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 11:36:11 No.1247967 Report

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>>1247952
Pulling out the term nimby in the context of S21 feels misleading.
S21 was shit by every standard. It wouldn't have increased the capacity (actually quite the opposite), it wouldn't have lowered travel times, it wouldn't have increased reliability. The only "upside" it had was that room at the surface would have been freed for other purposes.
You could increase the frequency by introducing ETCS Level 3. You could increase the length by making the platforms longer. I think the maximum train length in Germany is determined by the axle counters in the network, which are assumed to only store a byte (=255 axles - the EBO states an ever so slightly lower value for safety reasons IIRC). The trains in Stuttgart are probably still far from that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 22:09:10 No.1248151 Report

Quoted By: >>1248385

>>1247952
>S21
>NIMBY
It was a shit project and a complete disaster and now they want to do the same in Hamburg with the Altona station and that is even worse because now they even move it away from the city core. I never actively protested about anything before, but for the old Altona station, I definitely will.

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Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 10:19:55 No.1248385 Report

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>>1248151
>I definitely will.
Watch out for your eyes, man.

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Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 19:14:49 No.1248532 Report

Quoted By: >>1248536 >>1248543 >>1248545

What do you think of the Ideenzug konzept?
>Actually useful
Lounge
Comfort(with moveable backseats)
>With Consideration
Dining Area with snacks
LowBudget leaning seats
Buissiness class seats and privacy cabins
>Absolute meme tier
rest
Especially Biking and Gayming

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Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 19:15:52 No.1248533 Report

Quoted By: >>1248545 >>1248568 >>1249258

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Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 19:16:53 No.1248534 Report

Quoted By: >>1248545

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Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 19:18:35 No.1248536 Report

Quoted By: >>1248545

>>1248532
Forgot to add that they are for commuter trains

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 19:34:43 No.1248543 Report

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>>1248532
Well, it's a concept car so there is a lot of overexaggarated bullshit.
Leaning seats are usefull for shorter commutes
I can also see the premium class seats being a thing, poeple would gladly pay more for a small table to put thier laptop on.
Lounge is also pretty neat and I guess you could always fit in a coffee machine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 19:41:54 No.1248545 Report

Quoted By: >>1248574

>>1248532
>>1248533
>>1248534
>>1248536
Most of these concepts would work well in some sort of double-deck ICE or IC train. Indeed, the larger IC2 "Bombardier TWINDEXX" would be great for an upgrade to improve the seating and indeed the catering options.
That said, very little would be useful for an RE train. Consider the typical RE with a Baureihe 143 as the hauling loco. You have two decks of reasonably comfortable seating which may also have WiFi (depending on where you are). There might be vending machines on board (which are surprisingly nice) but the main focus is on high capacity for a shorter train. Would passengers really like to have leaning seats? No, it's stupid, and I would suggest that reasonably basic "Economy" seats would be suitable for such a train, especially since these trains tend to be packed full of people standing as well.
Fewer and fewer regional trains have a 1st class as well these days as the only thing 1st class really gives you is a slightly nicer seat and a table in regional trains. It'd be much easier to just eliminate 1st class from designated RE and RB services and just go for a reasonably comfortable seat with as high a density as can be afforded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 20:28:49 No.1248568 Report

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>>1248533
That looks like you're not allowed to be taller than 175cm

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 20:45:43 No.1248574 Report

Quoted By: >>1248577 >>1248770 >>1248771 >>1252144

>>1248545
The absolute fucking state of German rails where wifi is still discussed as a premium first class feature for future projects, meanwhile other countries ALREADY HAVE IT IN EVERY FUCKING TRAIN.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 20:51:44 No.1248577 Report

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>>1248574
I lived in the Berlin Tarif zone area, and I remember DB Regio carrying out a modernisation pilot in the area where they installed wifi systems as well as a capacity indicator near the doors to show how full the top and bottom decks were before you got on as well as bicycle space availability.
I remember the speeds on that WiFi to be actually rather good.
https://www.dbregio.de/db_regio/view/zukunft/wlan.shtml
I remember it being piloted and tested on the RE1 and RE3 services in the Berlin-Brandenburg region, though I must say that it was rather nice to have, and far more reliable than what BVB has going on in their stations or vehicles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 06:58:54 No.1248770 Report

Quoted By: >>1250555

>>1248574
Many ICEs already have "free" WiFi - for regular 2nd class travelers even.
A local train I use, NRW RE42, also has some trains fitted with WiFi.

The situation is far from great, but not as bad as you make it sound.
Don't like they are attempting to cut TLS connections open, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 07:25:31 No.1248771 Report

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>>1248574
Westfalenbahn's Stadler KISS trains (RE60 and RE70) have had free wifi on second class for a few years now. So do ICEs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 15:46:41 No.1249258 Report

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>>1248533
I feel like they could have fit two normal flat beds into this same space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Oct 2018 10:11:00 No.1250555 Report

Quoted By: >>1250616

>>1248770
DB Regio Nord have ordered like 32 wagons for the Hamburg-Kiel/Flensburg service and the last of them went in service in like February.
Turns out not even six months later they want to start implementing wifi in the trains WHY THE FUCK COULD THEY NOT JUST TELL BOMBARDIER TO EQUIP THE WAGONS WITH WIFI FROM THE START?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Oct 2018 16:08:42 No.1250611 Report

Quoted By: >>1252137

https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/duesseldorf/rheinbahn-in-duesseldorf-immer-neue-enthuellungen_aid-34068255
Kek
Looks like some are getting fired

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Oct 2018 16:23:10 No.1250616 Report

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>>1250555
Bombardier might not actually have that as an option they can fit. I might be, as has been the case with a lot of trains I've been on around Europe, that the fitting of WiFi systems is done by 3rd parties. Now, the rail operator can pay that 3rd party for the equipment and install it themselves, but with Siemens, Stadler and Bombardier, it could be that they don't want to deal with 3rd party equipment.
Especially with older rolling stock, it's often easier to get aftermarket parts after delivery rather than going to the manufacturer and saying "hey, install this aftermarket part for us".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 14:23:53 No.1251677 Report

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I am reading an old newspaper from year 1935 saying that Austrian national railway company will adopt a rubber tiered train which would be streamline in shape and is electric locomotive and the train would be 75m in length, weight 34kt, generator power would be 100hp, with speed up to 70mph.
Anyone know what was the news referring to?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 22:29:00 No.1251802 Report

Quoted By: >>1251840 >>1252793

>be me
>23 years old
>study in Kiel, have a dorm there
>come back to the parents' house in Hamburg for the weekends though because no internet in the dorm
>have a MyBahncard 50 because it's just €69/year and even just for traveling between Hamburg and Kiel it saves me hundreds of Euros overall.
>mid-October
>get mail
>"We need confirmation of your age"
>Wondering because I sent them a copy of my ID card last year already
>go to service center
>service woman thinks I'm born in 1991
>tell her no, she says "well send your age confirmation again"
>forget about it
>get Bahncard 50 bill
>€250 or so
>fuck off, send age confirmation quickly
>that was last week Monday (22 Oct)
>fast forward to last Friday
>get e-mail that I receive a normal Bahncard 25
>fuck off, I call them
>"oh yea that was a mistake i will order a MyBahncard 50 for you"
>on Monday I get an e-mail that I have to send my Bahncard back
>today I receive the regular Bahncard 50 that has already been canceled in my mailbox

Why the fuck are these cocksuckers stressing me so much, and why are their Bahncards more on time than their trains. If they fixed the Sylt connection as quickly as they send me a card and a €250 bill, they would actually be considered one of the best railway companies for fucks sake.

Pic related is how I feel

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 22:34:55 No.1251804 Report

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also happy holiday to my fellow nord bros and catholic fags

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 23:53:40 No.1251840 Report

Quoted By: >>1251845

>>1251802
Do they really need an ID card for proof of age?
I got a MyBahncard 25 with none of that stuff for relatively cheap, I think like €36 for the 12 month period, but that was back in 2016.
I had a bit of an issue cancelling the card when I moved back to my home country. I had to email them saying that I no longer was resident there, and the bank account I used to pay for it no longer exists.
I only hope the guys at DB didn't do anything to my Bonität if I ever move to Germany permanently.

That said, I do hate the bureaucracy. It's so dumb, and I've experienced this in all sorts of places. I'll make this somewhat relevant, but I ordered some DB merchandise from the bahnshop.de (like a wall calander and some other nice DB branded stuff), but I wasn't at the place I lived then when Deutsche Post tried to deliver, so they left that little "Ihre Sendung ist da!" note with a code for their website and it just said I could arrage a redelivery online. Well, their website told me that I could only receive my stuff from a post office in the town.
Not to worry, I went into the town, queued up for a bit, and then when I explained that I need to get my package, they asked my for my ID. I showed it to them, but they didn't accept it (it's an ID card from another EU state), so I showed them an EU driving license, and they didn't accept that either. They wanted proof of address that I lived there (because apparently having your name on the package isn't enough?). Fortunately, I had a letter from the university with an address on it. They accepted it, and I got my package.
Die typische deutsche Bürokratie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 00:07:29 No.1251845 Report

Quoted By: >>1251857

>>1251840
>Do they really need an ID card for proof of age?
Yes. A regular Bahncard 50 costs like €250 per year, and a discount one is only available to people under the age of 27.

>the other part
lmfao horrible

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 00:57:43 No.1251857 Report

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>>1251845
>a discount one is only available to people under the age of 27
I'm aware of the MyBahncard bit, since I did have a MyBahncard 25. I suppose it makes sense that a significantly discounted railcard would need proof of age, since a regular Bahncard would cost like €60 or something like that? Eh...

>>the other part
>lmfao horrible
I mean, this was in Brandenburg, so it's probably not as surprising. I had less bureaucracy with the townhall of all places than receiving post.... I get that the Sparkasse kinda needed to know a lot about me, but, eh, most banks do no matter where you are.
Do any of you have any idea if DB can affect your Bonität if things start getting weird with your Bahncard, like when cancelling it?
If I ever do choose to migrate to Germany (and I'd like to), I would sure hope that DB doesn't mess me up, especially since so many landlords are so concerned with your Bonität when you want to rest some appartment (making it near impossible for even EU citizens to just move to Germany).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 07:56:00 No.1252137 Report

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>>1250611
And he's gone

https://www.wz.de/nrw/duesseldorf/rheinbahn-chef-clausecker-muss-sofort-gehen_aid-34215715

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 09:31:25 No.1252143 Report

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>>1247024
:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 09:35:10 No.1252144 Report

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>>1248574
Germany is third world when it comes to internet service and pricing.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Nov 2018 22:20:56 No.1252775 Report

Quoted By: >>1252793

>tfw S-Bahn was killed in the whole region in the 60s and 70s
>tfw a citizens' initiative in the early 00s went nowhere
I don`t even care if it would be cheaper, more punctual or more reliable, but I want a comfy S-Bahn REEEEE

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Fri 02 Nov 2018 23:31:51 No.1252793 Report

Quoted By: >>1252803 >>1252928 >>1252933 >>1252934

>>1251802
Lol hat deine Uni kein Semesterticket?
>>1252775
>S-Bahn was killed in the whole region
Where?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Nov 2018 00:02:32 No.1252803 Report

Quoted By: >>1253004

>>1252793
>Lol hat deine Uni kein Semesterticket?
Different anon, but the Berlin univerisites only give you a Berlin ABC Semesterticket for about €240. If you want to have your ticket cover the whole of Brandenburg, you have to go to the AStA and pay them additional money to add Brandenburg zones to it.
Meanwhile, the Universität Potsdam has their standard Semesterticket cover the entirety of Berlin and Brandenburg.

Likely, that anon's uni only offers a standard Semesterticket for the Kiel area or maybe even only Schleswig-Holstein. There's also the factor that long-distance trains (IC, ICE, EC) aren't covered in a regional tarif area. VBB has a list of IC and ICE trains which are valid for travel with VBB tickets, but they're a limit number of trains, and I doubt many people actually know that they can take 4 ICEs a day from Berlin Hauptbahnhof to Berlin Südkreuz with their VBB ticket.

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Anonymous Sat 03 Nov 2018 09:52:35 No.1252928 Report

Quoted By: >>1253004

>>1252793
>Where?
Koblenz. I dunno, I heard some old folks say it was kinda shit anyway.
I know that neighbouring Neuweed (the picture before) stopped using its own around the same time.

Kinda interesting article, sadly completly in German:
https://signalarchiv.de/Meldungen/10002373
>Die Idee der S-Bahn-Initiative besteht darin, die Kosten so gering wie möglich zu halten, indem weitgehend auf bestehende Gleise zurückgegriffen wird. Haltestellen müssen da eingerichtet werden, wo die Menschen sind. Das Ergebnis der Studie: Wir haben die Möglichkeit, ein S-Bahn-Netz im Norden von Rheinland-Pfalz anzubieten - zu den niedrigsten Kosten in Deutschland!
>The idea of the S-Bahn-Initative is keeping costs as low as possible, by largly using already existing rail infrastructure. Tram stops have to be established where the people are at. The result of the study: We have the chance to offer the north of RLP a S-Bahn network - to the lowest costs in all of Germany!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Nov 2018 11:02:46 No.1252933 Report

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>>1252793
Hamburg-Kiel anon here
My uni has a Semesterticket but it's only for the Kiel area. A monthly ticket for Kiel-Hamburg would be like €250 a month, way too expensive, so I get a Bahncard for 69 bucks and pay like €100 at most for trains. The AStAs of SH universities are advocating for an SH-wide student ticket though that also includes Hamburg. Last I heard is that it would be around €100 per semester starting in 2019 so this would be my last Bahncard year anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Nov 2018 11:06:41 No.1252934 Report

Quoted By: >>1253004

>>1252793
Hamburg-Kiel anon here
My uni has a Semesterticket but it's only for the Kiel area. A monthly ticket for Kiel-Hamburg would be like €250 a month, way too expensive, so I get a Bahncard for 69 bucks and pay a bit over €100 a month at most for trains. Still quite a bit, but saving over 100 bucks a month is something I have to do of course. The AStAs of SH universities are advocating for an SH-wide student ticket though that also includes Hamburg. Last I heard is that it would be around €100 per semester starting in 2019 so this would be my last Bahncard year anyway.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Sat 03 Nov 2018 16:58:44 No.1253004 Report

Quoted By: >>1253280

>>1252803
>>1252934
Yeah, I know it's a confusing mess. My uni's AStA is absolutely based when it comes to transport politics. This has the downside that I pay almost 300 € per semester now, most of which is the price of the ticket.
>>1252928
The concept sounds very interesting. But it looks like new railway routes won't be built in Germany. More tracks and better infrastructure maybe, maybe an extended tram or metro line here and there. But we won't have any new main line railways before socialism wins.

It looks like you got tram and S-Bahn confused, by the way. Don't do that. It's the mark of the redneck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Nov 2018 13:13:30 No.1253280 Report

Quoted By: >>1253289 >>1253296

>>1253004
>most of which is the price of the ticket.

While that is true, at least if you are in NRW, "most" means barely more than half of it.
A lot of those 300€ go into retarded endeavors like equal opportunities offices, but at the same time a lot of people probably also perceive the Semesterticket as a retarded endeavor. Be it, because they never use public transport, or because they perceive it as an outrageous injustice it's limited to college students.
Semestertickets are fucking awesome for everyone, though. Not only students. They keep rents from exploding even further in college towns, and reduce car traffic and thus emissions. They also make colleges further away from the big cities more attractive.
It's a win-win-win-win-win-win-... situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Nov 2018 13:57:21 No.1253289 Report

Quoted By: >>1253296

>>1253280
With the Berlin Universities (FU, HU and the many Hochschule) the Semesterticket being about €230 is pretty high. Consider too, that it only covers the Berlin ABC zone, which is the entirety of Berlin itself and the so-called Speckgürtel outside of Berlin in Brandenburg.
It means you can live outside of Berlin with really cheap rent, and then take the bus or RE into the city when you need to. Of course, there are many issues with how buses and so on are managed in Brandenburg, with god awful timetables with basically next to non-existant services on the weekends or on public holidays (which is a nightmare, when Reformationstag is a public holiday in Brandenburg, and is a normal working day in Berlin).

That said, the sheer amount of students who just cycle into the universities in Berlin kind of brings about the question of why even bother with public transport. That said, it's kind of funny that when your bus is running 15 minutes late, and you're late to your class, you recognise that your lecturer is on the same bus as you... I suppose that with certain places, you can't really do much with the Semesterticket. The costs will almost always be high, and there will be plenty of people complaining that they're never going to make use of it.
>A lot of those 300€ go into retarded endeavors like equal opportunities offices
The FU has a breakdown of the fees you pay. €230 approx. was for the semesterticket, €20 was for university registration, and €10 was for the AStA.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Sun 04 Nov 2018 14:39:17 No.1253296 Report

Quoted By: >>1253306 >>1253307

>>1253280
>While that is true, at least if you are in NRW, "most" means barely more than half of it.
The price at my uni is currently at 190.70 €, so yeah. I thought it was higher from memory.
>A lot of those 300€ go into retarded endeavors like equal opportunities offices, but at the same time a lot of people probably also perceive the Semesterticket as a retarded endeavor. Be it, because they never use public transport, or because they perceive it as an outrageous injustice it's limited to college students.
I dunno, I like all the stuff that is being done with the rest of the money. Our AStA is pretty based.
I can't fathom how anyone could NOT like their Semesterticket. Even if you already live in the same city where you study, it opens up a bunch of possibilities to visit places in NRW and beyond, such as other cities, your friends, relatives, landscape etc. NRW is fairly large and it is the most populous state by far. It certainly has a lot to offer. I think I'm gonna enroll for a degree in physics or something once I'm done actually studying. Fuck cars, and fuck paying out of my ass to travel by public transport, which should be free anyway.
>>1253289
>With the Berlin Universities (FU, HU and the many Hochschule) the Semesterticket being about €230 is pretty high. Consider too, that it only covers the Berlin ABC zone, which is the entirety of Berlin itself and the so-called Speckgürtel outside of Berlin in Brandenburg.
Why would you want to go anywhere else in Brandenburg except for hiking?
>buses and so on are managed in Brandenburg, with god awful timetables with basically next to non-existant services on the weekends or on public holidays (which is a nightmare, when Reformationstag is a public holiday in Brandenburg, and is a normal working day in Berlin).
Haha that sucks. But it's a new problem, ain't it? Lower Saxony only made Reformation Day a public holiday this year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Nov 2018 15:37:58 No.1253306 Report

Quoted By: >>1253323

>>1253296
>Why would you want to go anywhere else in Brandenburg except for hiking?
I.... uh.... lived in Brandenburg at the time. I mean, it was still within the Berlin C zone, so I had no issues with the Semesterticket, but I did have issues with the buses where I lived, since I relied on them to either get me to the train station for the RE, or to another bus stop, which connected onto a BVG bus.
Brandenburg at least has Potsdam, which is a really beautiful city. Plus, Brandenburg is really cheap, since the Mietspiegel is so low compared to Berlin. Plus, if you're close to a station with RE or S-Bahn services, you're pretty much 20 minutes away from Mitte.
>Haha that sucks. But it's a new problem, ain't it? Lower Saxony only made Reformation Day a public holiday this year.
I encountered this problem in 2016. Apparently, Berlin officially adopted Reformationstag as a public holiday in 2017, by which stage I was no longer there. My guess as to why Brandenburg was so early to adopt it as a public holiday likely stems from the fact that Wittenberg is a pretty important religious city, at least for Lutheranism.

Kinda unrelated, but you say your AStA is pretty based, but from my experience, at least in Berlin, the student elections were dominated by the "Socialist Solidarity List", the "Anti-Racism List", the "End Patriarchical Hetronormitivity List" and so on. There was one "Don't Let Your Voice be Left with the Left List" (a pretty liberal translation on my part) which was mostly conservative, but their posters got torn off walls really quickly... I didn't vote in those student elections (in part because idk if I should have as an ERASMUS student). I had heard about "Die Liste" appearing in some student elections in some other universities, which I probably would have voted for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Nov 2018 15:38:17 No.1253307 Report

Quoted By: >>1253323

>>1253296
>Fuck cars, and fuck paying out of my ass to travel by public transport, which should be free anyway.

Cars aren't the problem. It's our society that forces many people to use cars and, albeit not remotely as strongly as in the US, puts the "poor people" stamp on public transport riders, which is not reflective of the situation. Public transport is often more expensive than private car ownership in the long run. Sometimes even in the short run. I always come back to thinking about that Top Gear episode where they bought a second-hand car, got it insured, topped it up with gas, and it was cheaper than riding the train for the same trip. Our societies are fucking ridiculous. "Verkehrswende" my ass.
Public transport should not be free, because it would lower its publicly perceived value even further. Yes, everyone ought to be able to afford the trips he needs to do in order to live a good life. That's the benchmark.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Sun 04 Nov 2018 16:41:17 No.1253323 Report

Quoted By: >>1253329 >>1253332

>>1253306
>I.... uh.... lived in Brandenburg at the time. I mean, it was still within the Berlin C zone
Yeah, I meant, why would you want to go outside of that zone (plus Potsdam, maybe)?
>>1253306
>I encountered this problem in 2016
Wouldn't have guessed, considering how much of Brandenburg is atheist rather than protestant.

There are delegates from sixteen different lists in my university's student parliament right now. 24 out of the 29 seats are held by center to left groups. But most students are center to left as well, especially those who are interested in university politics. We continue to have lots of trouble with the identitarian movement, a Turkish right-wing group, and an especially disruptive brand of RCDS members, so I'm glad there is enough opposition to those groups in the parliament.

>>1253307
That's pretty much what I mean by "Fuck cars". I don't wanna abolish them altogether. I just think they should be limited to, say 20% of all trips and our cities, villages and public transport networks should be built to facilitate that.
I don't think perceived value is a problem here. I don't wanna ride in shiny new Mercedes Benz trams with pay-for-use Wi Fi.
>Yes, everyone ought to be able to afford the trips he needs to do in order to live a good life. That's the benchmark.
I agree. But that also means that costs have to be significantly reduced for pensioners, jobless, minimum wage workers, large families, etc. etc. At that point, why not just fund them via tax altogether?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Nov 2018 17:27:30 No.1253329 Report

Quoted By:

>>1253323
>Yeah, I meant, why would you want to go outside of that zone (plus Potsdam, maybe)?
Sachsenhausen is just out of the C zone. A lot of the Havel and the lakes around there are also outside of the C zone.
Outside of the area, Frankfurt an der Oder is apparently interesting if you want to see the border with Poland... There's the "Tropical Islands", the world's largest indoor water park in Brand. I think there are a few narrow gauge railways in Brandenburg, but I'm not sure of them...
Also, Cottbus and Brandenburg must be interesting cities, right?
And if the transportatio/n/ overtakes you, Eberswalde has a trolleybus system, one of 3 remaining in Germany along with Esslingen am Neckar and Solingen (which has a line to Wuppertal). Eberswalde has a number of former BVB (East Berlin) trolleybuses which are preserved, although ironically, preserved Eberswalde trolleybuses are now kept in Salzburg....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Nov 2018 17:32:18 No.1253332 Report

Quoted By: >>1253568

>>1253323
>At that point, why not just fund them via tax altogether?

What would happen is homeless abusing buses and trains as shelter at night and in winter.
At the moment doing that without a ticket is a crime.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Mon 05 Nov 2018 10:39:26 No.1253568 Report

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>>1253332
Sounds like a comparatively minor problem considering that they already do it with or without a ticket anyway. I personally don't like sitting next to a homeless person either, at least if they smell or keep begging for money. But it's certainly better than being sexually harrassed by a 50+ ladies' skittles club or being squeezed in between a bunch of Dortmund hooligans. Those people all pay and are much worse than the homeless.

Maybe we should open more homeless shelters and offer better care as well. Remove the incentive to ride a train all night instead of sleeping in an official shelter. I'm afraid that's too far removed from general corporate interest though, and the homeless aren't generally a relevant voter base either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Nov 2018 14:02:27 No.1255295 Report

Quoted By: >>1255577 >>1255614 >>1258753

What do you think about the 29 upgraded projects?

Hochgestufte Projekte (nach BMVI):
3 ABS München– Mühldorf – Freilassing (inkl. Walpertskirchner Spange für Verkehre Flughafen MUC – Salzburg und zweigleisigem Ausbau Tüßling – Freilassing)
4 ABS/NBS Nürnberg – Erfurt (VDE 8.1, inkl. Maßnahmen zur weiteren Fahrzeitverkürzung und Tunnel Fürth)
6 ABS Nürnberg – Schwandorf/München – Regensburg – Furth im Wald – Grenze D/CZ
9 ABS Grenze D/NL– Kaldenkirchen – Viersen – Rheydt-Odenkirchen
10 ABS Augsburg – Donauwörth
13 ABS Gotha – Leinefelde
15 ABS Stuttgart – Backnang/Schwäbisch Gmünd – Aalen – Nürnberg
16 ABS Kehl – Appenweier
17 ABS Landshut – Plattling
18 ABS Lübeck – Schwerin
20 ABS Weimar – Gera – Gößnitz
21 ABS Regensburg – Mühldorf
22 ABS Niebüll – Klanxbüll
24 NBS Studernheimer Kurve (Teil des Knotens Mannheim)
25 ABS Hamburg – Ahrensburg (Teil des Knotens Hamburg)
26 NBS Dresden – Prag
27 ABS Lehrte/Hameln – Braunschweig – Magdeburg – Roßlau
28 ABS Cuxhaven – Stade
30 ABS Münster – Lünen
31 ABS Leipzig – Chemnitz
32 ABS Wilster – Brunsbüttel
33 ABS Berlin – Angermünde – Pasewalk – Stralsund
37 Weitere Streckenmaßnahmen zur Engpassauflösung (Maßnahmen zur Ertüchtigung des deutschen Schienennetzes für 740 m lange Güterzüge)
38 Knoten Frankfurt (inkl. Nordmainische S-Bahn)
39 Knoten Hamburg (inkl. S4 Ost und West)
40 Knoten Hannover
41 Knoten Köln (inkl. Westspange und Verknüpfungsbauwerk Köln-Mülheim)
42 Knoten Mannheim
43 Knoten München

https://www.bmvi.de/SharedDocs/DE/Anlage/Presse/bewertung-schienenwegeausbau-des-potentiellen-bedarfs-bvwp-2030.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

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Anonymous Sat 10 Nov 2018 14:03:31 No.1255296 Report

Quoted By: >>1255614

Personal highlight
>increase of cargo train length to 740m
>FV station beneth Frankfurt HBF. Some say it will be 85m to 160m deep
>Start of the study for the Mittelrhein Korridor
>NBS Bielefeld-Hannover Minden will lose its ICE stop.

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Anonymous Sat 10 Nov 2018 14:09:52 No.1255298 Report

Quoted By: >>1255614

>>1245908
>This is an attempt to get a German general going.
Please not again!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 15:52:38 No.1255577 Report

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>>1255295
The Frankfurt 21 shit is a fucking joke, but Niebüll-Klanxbüll (the bit leading up to Hindenburgdamm) really needs some love.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 19:38:03 No.1255614 Report

Quoted By: >>1255949 >>1258753

>>1255295
>Lehrte/Hameln
What now? Those places are pretty far apart and there's no Lehrte-Hameln railroad.
>>1255296
>NBS Bielefeld-Hannover Minden will lose its ICE stop.
Please explain.
>>1255298
Lawl

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 22:09:51 No.1255949 Report

Quoted By: >>1258753

>>1255614
>What now? Those places are pretty far apart and there's no Lehrte-Hameln railroad.
Page 21 of the pdf.
Those are related projects at a distance. It's probably a mistake that it's "Lehrte/Hameln", it should be "Hameln/Lehrte".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 11:42:37 No.1256622 Report

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Hi guys got a question: What's the type of motor on ICE 4? PMSM or the conventional induction motors, or something else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 20:45:46 No.1256935 Report

Quoted By: >>1257131

>>1245908

>be at work
>testing german train ticket machine
>shit ton of bugs, nothing works properly, prints wrong tickets
>team gets call from germany
>they need the soft build asap
>tell them its fucked
>"Send it now!"
>"Ok! Retard, but its on u."
>mnfg

when did germany become so?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 18:59:43 No.1257131 Report

Quoted By:

>>1256935
>when did germany become so?
Unless you drop names, which I assume you cannot (and absolutely should not), I can't really answer that question.
As to why they'd need it NOW instead of later, well, the yearly timetable change is in three weeks.

If there is actually a problem, it will make German news on a large scale.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 11:07:45 No.1258034 Report

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Oh no.
>Trams are too expensive
https://www.golem.de/news/hyperlooptt-hamburg-soll-einen-hyperloop-bekommen-1811-137793.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 05:35:36 No.1258753 Report

Quoted By: >>1258754 >>1258811 >>1258827

>>1255295
>What do you think about the 29 upgraded projects?

Many of these projects are necessary investments that were postponed for years or decades. It's about time that they get the attention they need and make up for the negligence. Rail traffic has been at its very limit in many of these hubs or lines that are mentioned there.

Being from the west, I'm especially mad about:
>9 ABS Grenze D/NL– Kaldenkirchen – Viersen – Rheydt-Odenkirchen
Imagine having a railway line that plays an integral part for freight traffic in the west of Europe, but you're too lazy to build that second track. A line that mostly goes through flat fields, where smaller train stations inbetween already have their second track to let trains pass from different directions pass another.

>30 ABS Münster – Lünen
Another candidate that is in dire need of a second track. Afaik this line was already prepared to get it, but due to change of regulations that requires a wider distance between tracks, everything has to be planned anew to accommodate today's standards.

>41 Knoten Köln (inkl. Westspange und Verknüpfungsbauwerk Köln-Mülheim)
The entiretiy of Cologne's rail network and its surrounding is and has been a clusterfuck for years. There's almost no line or station that does not need investments to accommodate the mass of traffic of >today< alone. It doesn't even include the increase that has to be calculated in for the next years. It's just a small patch for a major bleeding, but probably better than nothing.

>>1255614
>>1255949

They plan to modernize the Hameln - Elze railway line, not the Hameln - Hannover one that eventually leads to Lehrte. I suppose the intention is to relieve Hannover as a major hub for the northwestern region and especially lead freight traffic around it.

See pic related.

Found in this presentation: https://www.bmvi.de/SharedDocs/DE/Anlage/Presse/bewertung-schienenwegeausbau-des-potentiellen-bedarfs-bvwp-2030.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

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Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 05:36:41 No.1258754 Report

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>>1258753
dropped the image..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 12:54:28 No.1258811 Report

Quoted By:

>>1258753
>Imagine having a railway line that plays an integral part for freight traffic in the west of Europe, but you're too lazy to build that second track.
Don't most freight trains towards the Netherlands go via Aachen West Gbf and Emmerich Bf?
I'm madder about the Eisernen Rhein. It's ridiculous it ends in Dalheim these days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 13:44:17 No.1258827 Report

Quoted By:

>>1258753
>I suppose the intention is to relieve Hannover as a major hub for the northwestern region and especially lead freight traffic around it.
Considering that the major rail line it connects to is the Lehrte-Berlin high speed line, I would make sense to me that they are looking at ways to increase capacity for the lines around Hannover while allowing more trains to get to Berlin.
Berlin's first high speed line was the Lehrte-Berlin one, mostly as that was the only line kept open into West Berlin from the Federal Republic. Berlin-Hamburg and Berlin-Leipzig came a bit later, but there is still the pretty poor situation of having very few fast train services to Berlin.
Cologne/Düsseldorf (via Hamm) to Berlin takes 5 hours.
After the recent opening of the Nuremburg-Erfurt high speed line, Munich-Berlin now takes 4 hours (down from 6).

The train from Frankfurt or even Stuttgart still takes ab obscene amount of time to get to Berlin. While I guess Berlin isn't like other cities, like London and Paris, where everything centralises around it, Berlin is still the Federal capital, and is also an important connection for international trains to Prague, Warsaw, Moscow, Malmö, Budapest and so on.

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