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Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 15:48:46 No.1247302 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1247330 >>1247989 >>1248072 >>1248136 >>1248145 >>1248191 >>1249266 >>1249423 >>1249624 >>1251129 >>1257778 >>1257844 >>1259186 >>1259246

>tfw in the future people living under the peril of global warming will see cyclists as enlightened ones ahead of their time and cageboomers as idiots the same way we look at flat earthers today

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 15:53:19 No.1247303 Report

Quoted By: >>1247312 >>1249249 >>1254229

Maybe but global warming is mainly caused by industry, and not wasteful citizens

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 16:06:47 No.1247309 Report

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Earth is flat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 16:44:34 No.1247312 Report

Quoted By: >>1247313

>>1247303
Love how some people pretend people and industry to be two COMPLETELY separate entities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 16:48:53 No.1247313 Report

Quoted By: >>1247316

>>1247312
Yeah but the root cause isn't that Dale drives an F150 to work but that international companies are offshoring factories to third world countries with no environmental regulations

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 16:54:39 No.1247316 Report

Quoted By: >>1247329

>>1247313
It's a battle on all fronts and all causes, major and minor alike, must be tackled. Dale may not be a measurable problem, but ten million Dales are. People must reconsider their lifestyles, and no amount of blame shifting is going to take that responsibility off their shoulders.

This aside, individuals are dotted along and situated at the end of every single industrial chain. Industries and corporations pollute because people are indifferent about it. How often do you hear "I've stopped buying their products because they pollute too much" from people? Never, that's how often.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 18:19:32 No.1247329 Report

Quoted By: >>1247923 >>1249213

>>1247316
I get the sentiment but even as a collective regular folks still make up a minority of the issue
It's unfeasible to expect people to be able to research the carbon footprint that goes into the products they buy, and corporations can't be trusted to act environmentally friendly at the expense of profits, so they should be regulated

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 18:24:42 No.1247330 Report

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>>1247302
ima nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 08:49:52 No.1247923 Report

Quoted By: >>1247931

>>1247329
A collective of people acting in an eco-responsible way will give politicians the courage to make more sweeping changes aimed at industry

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 09:55:57 No.1247931 Report

Quoted By: >>1247982 >>1256991

>>1247923
instead of trying to force the population to change, why don't they just change the system itself?

like encourage the building of nuclear reactors and use the excess energy from those to manufacture hydrocarbons directly from seawater. this could then be used as a carbon-neutral input to our current economy, or even be used to remove carbon from the atmosphere and put it back in the ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 12:18:07 No.1247982 Report

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>>1247931
nukes are scary xd

53-year-old Boome !!QSvwrQMMkoH

53-year-old Boome !!QSvwrQMMkoH Fri 19 Oct 2018 12:33:20 No.1247989 Report

Quoted By: >>1249210

>>1247302
LOL, no, they won't, but keep dreaming, kiddo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 17:26:04 No.1248072 Report

Quoted By: >>1249220 >>1249251

>>1247302
Maybe there are lots of factors in global warming, including human greenhouse gas emissions and other major factors such as fluctuations in the sun's energy output, and climate change is a slow, hard to predict process that has occurred continuously throughout the history of this planet, and believing that humans are in control of the planet's climate is hubris

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Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:57:40 No.1248136 Report

Quoted By: >>1248160

>>1247302
I already see cyclists like that, they generally have an aura of coolness to them.
Unfortunately I have to use a car for my job, and a big one at that.
My land is also completely surrounded by the neighbours' guard dogs and I can't set foot (or bike wheel) outside without getting mauled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:34:26 No.1248145 Report

Quoted By: >>1248146 >>1248148

>>1247302
zelda got fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:35:49 No.1248146 Report

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>>1248145
that's link you retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:52:37 No.1248148 Report

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>>1248145
just catering to their audiences

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 22:40:31 No.1248160 Report

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>>1248136
I'm in the same boat, unfortunately. I really used to like dogs until I moved out here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 00:16:49 No.1248191 Report

Quoted By: >>1248492

>>1247302
Bikes and cars aren't even equivalent modes of transportation. It's like saying that in the future people will see pedestrians as enlightened and motorists as idiots. Also, most cyclists are still consumers of products that produce tons of pollution during manufacturing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 17:10:00 No.1248492 Report

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>>1248191
>falling for the BAIT this hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 10:00:44 No.1249210 Report

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>>1247989
they will see motorists as part of the selfish generation for sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 10:56:44 No.1249213 Report

Quoted By: >>1250116 >>1250808

>>1247329
That's why you influate politics and vote. And work as a researcher instead of some Apple marketing team employee. I'm living in a suburb apartment and pay attention to what I do. I'm pretty sure my carbon fpot print could be calculated as negative. Everybody could live on similar ethics and principles than I. That's why I'm sure the hope isn't lost.

Btw it's funny that if you're diet is meat heavy and environmentally destructive it might be better to even ride a small petrol eco shit box than ride you're bike. That's due the need for increased energy and nutrient intake :D . I'm on based vegan diet of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 11:49:51 No.1249220 Report

Quoted By: >>1249227

>>1248072
Please stop repeating this tired lie. Billions of humans with an enourmous amount of energy output ARE CHANGING THE PLANET. Any species with advanced enough technology eventually triggers something like this, we just have to hope we can survive the worst effects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 12:39:18 No.1249227 Report

Quoted By: >>1249230 >>1249367

>>1249220
>Billions of humans with an enourmous amount of energy output ARE CHANGING THE PLANET
Of course, we definitely are having a major effect on the environment. The question is how much of climate change are we responsible for and how much is external factors, and how will the planet's environment respond to climate change, there do seem to be some self regulating features built in. I definitely think its worth studying quite a bit, but I'm very hesitant to believe what all the alarmists are saying, because so far they have been very off with their predictions, and the planet is such a complex system that I don't know if it really can be modeled accurately

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 13:21:27 No.1249230 Report

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>>1249227
Even if you're highly sceptical about scientific consensus, isn't the *fate of the planet* worth considering like a Pascals wager situation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 15:18:39 No.1249249 Report

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>>1247303
>not wasteful citizens
average car produces about six tons of carbon dioxide a year
average american produces about 20 metric tons a year.
just by existing as a human being in a an industrialized country you are contributing to the problem - clearly you can limit this by being a bit more conscious though, using less fossil fuels..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 15:29:24 No.1249251 Report

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>>1248072
>believing that humans are in control of the planet's climate is hubris
but i don't believe that, believe rather that humans are simply shitting the climate up through their arrogance and wastefulness - not exactly hubris...

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Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 15:34:18 No.1249254 Report

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>tfw future humans will retroactively punish all non-cyclists in the past

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Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 16:00:17 No.1249266 Report

Quoted By: >>1249375

>>1247302
Regardless of whether global climate change is a permanent or temporary thing, do you really think this woman is going to ride a bicycle to her evening event? LOL, no, she needs to ride in a CAR or some other conveyance that won't spoil her dress and makeup. I suppose we could go back to horse and carriage, but civilization would have to fall pretty far for people to resort to that. Or do you expect an entire team of servants to be pedaling furiously to get some 500 pound carriage 20 miles each way to the venue this fine lady is expected at? LOL, nobody is going to sign up for that unless our entire civilization falls into utter barbarism!

You're clearly and objectively one of two things, OP: you're either very young and very naive, and actually believe this nonsense you're saying, or you're Just Another Troll, posting silly, unbelievable bait. Which is it? Because there's no way any sane, rational, intelligent person could actually believe the nonsense you're posting. If you actually believe what you're posting, then it's time you grew up and came into the Real World with the rest of humanity. If it's bait, then you'd be funnier if you posted blimptrain, to be quite honest.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 16:05:26 No.1249268 Report

Quoted By: >>1249270 >>1249280 >>1249281 >>1249284 >>1251110 >>1257621

>Honey, I think the baby is coming, it's time to go to the hospital, my contractions are 5 minutes apart!
>...no dear, we can't ride bikes there, I'm about to have a baby! You need to get us a CAR! Why did I ever let you talk me into selling our car?
>Call Uber or an ambulance or something, honey, I need to get to the hospital NOW!
So much for a car-free lifestyle, LOL

You guys really need to grow up.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 16:19:29 No.1249270 Report

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>>1249268
>yes goy own a car for a hypothetical event which won't happen without your knowledge and will at most only happen a few times if at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 17:12:52 No.1249279 Report

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>it's temporary
>it's only a few thousand years m8 deal with it
>it's mostly natural
>it's already bad, let's just shit things up more
Fucking boomers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 17:15:23 No.1249280 Report

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>>1249268
Contractions usually don't start until considerably after the water breaks you fucking virgin and you can always call an electrified ambulance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 17:17:39 No.1249281 Report

Quoted By: >>1249419

>>1249268
Labor often doesn't start until considerably after the water breaks you fucking virgin and you can always call an electrified ambulance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 17:35:23 No.1249284 Report

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>>1249268
Oh noes! I sat in a car once, that means I'm now and forever a cager and can't possibly ever go back to a car-free life!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 00:17:41 No.1249367 Report

Quoted By: >>1249401 >>1249664

>>1249227
True, climate science is weaker than many other sciences specifically due to how fucking complex all the heat/mass/fluid transport phenomena are. And yes, there are loops within loops within loops... One thing to worry about if you have familiarity with control theory is 1: the more energy in the system, the less stable and 2: when systems go unstable, it's VERY hard to stabilize them. That is a major worry, basically the climate goes unstable and oscillates (we die) until it settles at another stable point.

However, we know that CO2 levels are at their highest in 800,000 years and climbing. We know that human activity is the MAIN cause. Also, rapid shifts in climate give no time for adaptation, that's bad. It's been studied quite a bit, the best models and experts say shit is gonna hit the fan and we can't wait any longer, what more do you need? This is the only time for action, unfortunately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 00:37:43 No.1249375 Report

Quoted By: >>1249420

>>1249266
Hello 53 year old boomer, how are you today?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 02:08:12 No.1249401 Report

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>>1249367
Derp but it was cold today

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 02:41:22 No.1249411 Report

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>he fell for the science jew

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 03:05:05 No.1249419 Report

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>>1249281
>he thinks he's so fucking important that he rates an ambulance for his fat ugly wife
>LOL he thinks any woman will have him in the first place
Guess this doesn't apply to you after all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 03:06:15 No.1249420 Report

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>>1249375
>attempting to sidestep the issue with nonsense
underage b& please leave

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Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 03:08:47 No.1249423 Report

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>>1247302

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 21:36:24 No.1249624 Report

Quoted By: >>1249676

>>1247302
BotW is a shit game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Oct 2018 00:23:01 No.1249664 Report

Quoted By: >>1249667 >>1249925 >>1250084

>>1249367
How could you calculate CO2 level 800 000 years ago? It is definitely not human activity.
Climate oscillates naturally, even before hoomans ever appeared.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Oct 2018 00:34:25 No.1249667 Report

Quoted By: >>1249673

>>1249664
It sure would be nice to have a climate where hoomans could exist if natural fluctuations are going to screw you over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Oct 2018 00:52:09 No.1249673 Report

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>>1249667
but it is most likely the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Oct 2018 01:00:25 No.1249676 Report

Quoted By:

>>1249624
SEETHING

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Oct 2018 03:09:51 No.1249925 Report

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>>1249664
>"hooman"
>taking climate science advice from a Ferengi

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Oct 2018 18:36:48 No.1250084 Report

Quoted By: >>1250090

>>1249664
Yes it oscillates but NEVER THIS FAST. This rate is unprecedented in the Earth's entire geologic history. Regarding CO2 levels, scientists use ice cores in massive glaciers to find representative air trapped in them.

Take away: we know the time history of CO2 levels, climate never naturally changes this fast. Humans have changed and will continue to change the environment around them in very significant ways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Oct 2018 19:00:15 No.1250090 Report

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>>1250084
Just gotta wait 80000 years until it gets better lmao

t. boomer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Oct 2018 20:52:07 No.1250116 Report

Quoted By: >>1250793

>>1249213
Voting doesn't change shit. The capitalist system must be overthrown in order to stop pollution and you won't get that by voting for another Democrat multi-billionaire.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Oct 2018 01:43:10 No.1250214 Report

Quoted By: >>1252628

>There are people who still believe in the Cult of Climate Change

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Sun 28 Oct 2018 08:07:57 No.1250793 Report

Quoted By: >>1250800

>>1250116
Based

Capitalism is all about externalization of cost, and most cost is externalized to nature. No matter if it's the rainforest, factory farm animals, the air around us or the planet itself. They can't be saved without overthrowing capitalism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Oct 2018 10:11:41 No.1250800 Report

Quoted By: >>1250804 >>1250805

>>1250793
It's not externalized. Forests and animals and shit are privately owned by individuals. You moochers just want the free positive externalities without paying for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Oct 2018 10:31:05 No.1250804 Report

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>>1250800
Do you see anyone paying for the nutrients their forests and crops pull out of the ground? Do you see anyone paying for the air their livestock is breathing? Do you see anyone paying for the CO2 they put into the air?

No. Tons of ventures benefit off free access to resources.

Anoɳymous

Anoɳymous Sun 28 Oct 2018 10:32:22 No.1250805 Report

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>>1250800
>moocher
Randian detected. Opinion discarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Oct 2018 10:55:10 No.1250808 Report

Quoted By: >>1250828

>>1249213
> my carbon footprint could be calculated as negative

If you live in the US, I'm sorry to inform you that your carbon footprint has a base figure you cannot change because it includes infrastructure and services of the US. The USA generates ~20 tons of CO2 per capita and year.

In 2011 the US citizens contributed with 21% to that figure, the rest is industry, commerce and transportation meaning there are 4 tons of CO2 emissions per capita that you can directly influence.

16 tons of your emissions are out of your reach. You cannot claim to not have any connection to them since you use your countries infrastructure, services and profit directly or indirectly from US industry and commerce (not to mention military) that guarantee financial and social stability in your country.

Source:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/eaf3/a68b293e90617ea740d443c8ec2e3627fca4.pdf

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Anonymous Sun 28 Oct 2018 12:14:09 No.1250828 Report

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>>1250808
>CO2 emissions guarantee financial and social stability

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Oct 2018 05:31:30 No.1251110 Report

Quoted By: >>1254075

>>1249268
>A non-car-centric lifestyle is impossible because sometimes you might need to make use of some reasonable low-cost contingencies I mention in my own post
Is that what you were trying to say?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Oct 2018 07:38:09 No.1251129 Report

Quoted By: >>1251571

>>1247302
Aside from six inches of sea level rise per century, global warming is a net positive for humans.
>inb4 muh hurricanes!
Ironically mostly not affected by average global as shown by the recent stagnations with moderately greater strength. No reason to not be responsible though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 03:06:01 No.1251571 Report

Quoted By:

>>1251129
No, it's not, you fucking moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Nov 2018 15:10:19 No.1252628 Report

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>>1250214
I'm yet to see anyone provide a source for that quote. At this point I'm pretty much convinced it's fake.

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Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Nov 2018 18:35:55 No.1254075 Report

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>>1251110
You know you misanthropes really should just admit you're misanthropes and join the rest of the human race instead of fighting it. You might even get a girlfriend someday. As-is you're going to end up that weird guy who always sits alone muttering to himself about shit nobody understands.

anonymous

anonymous Wed 07 Nov 2018 02:37:34 No.1254229 Report

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>>1247303
*China
Ftfy

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Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 01:13:12 No.1256991 Report

Quoted By: >>1256996

>>1247931
People still think nuclear is dangerous

Sadly, Fukushima kinda fucked us on that one. People don't understand the distinction between old and new reactors.

53-year-old Boomer !!t4EOsos/GSJ

53-year-old Boomer !!t4EOsos/GSJ Sat 17 Nov 2018 01:46:04 No.1256996 Report

Quoted By: >>1256999 >>1260702

>>1256991
The main reason we have accidents with nuclear power is mismanagement and poor decisions, along with bad reactor design. There are ideas I've heard and read about for reactors that are much more inherently safe. Of course if we keep making advances in fusion technology then the point will be moot, fusion power should be orders of magnitude safer than fission power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 02:00:01 No.1256999 Report

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>>1256996
please don't reply to my posts

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Nov 2018 19:56:12 No.1257621 Report

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>>1249268
Your example is only valid if you live in the middle of nowhere. I live in a medium city and the ambulace come in less than 15 minutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Nov 2018 13:24:12 No.1257778 Report

Quoted By: >>1257780

>>1247302
This is the kind of post that confirms everyone's view that cyclists are absolute fuckheads

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Nov 2018 13:33:47 No.1257780 Report

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>>1257778
More like confirms everyone's view that OP is a fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Nov 2018 18:16:34 No.1257844 Report

Quoted By: >>1259242

>>1247302
>is (presumably) an adult
>still rides a bike everywhere like a child
>refuses to own a based automobile, limiting his social acceptance, career opportunities, romantic opportunities
>dies alone, clutching his 2D waifu pillow, never having sired offspring or even felt the warm touch of a woman
"call it evolution in action" xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 17:54:13 No.1259186 Report

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>>1247302
BotW is a shit game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Nov 2018 00:05:41 No.1259242 Report

Quoted By: >>1260702

>>1257844
>2D waifu pillow
go back to 9gag

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Nov 2018 00:14:25 No.1259246 Report

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>>1247302
I legitimately dont care and wish them the worst.
t. poorfag cyclist

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>>1259242
,,,hayhay,,,shesgot ajob todo.,, masters degree inmemeology,didnt land the bigbucks.,
>>1256996
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BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 Mon 03 Dec 2018 20:16:51 No.1261209 Report

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