>>1323555A good vintage Italian racing frame can be hard to source in good condition. They dented easily due to the thin tubing, and anything that is still in good condition will be expensive. Those older frames were also made for much narrower tires, to the point where 23c is about as much as you can hope for. You also have to deal with spreading the dropouts if you want modern components, and other problems that come up when you're refurbing old bikes. They're all solvable, but they take time and money. I have a couple of older Miyatas myself, an '86 Pro and an '88 615, the latter of which is going to get de-Shimanofied in favor of a mix of Suntour Cyclone Mk. 1, Superbe Pro, Campag Nuovo Record, and other bits. This isn't a cheap project. It'll be great when it's done tho. The Pro is a fantastic bike. I've had it hit around 65mph on a downhill and it wanted to go faster. The gearing is stupid for anything but flats or mild climbs, but I'm not replacing the awesome Suntour Sprint stuff until absolutely necessary. And it'll get Superbe Pro if I do.
The Eroica is something a different, though. It's a frameset handbuilt in Italy (not "made in Italy" by way of Taiwan) based on the 60s Specialissima, but with clearance for 35c tires, according to one owner. Pic related has 32c. It has modern components, modern gearing, and some other touches that make it easier to deal with, but it retains the classic look. It does come with tubulars but that's not a hassle these days. I think that $4k is a fair ask.
